It would be interesting to see just how many pieces he could give away and still expect to beat a typical player (meaning a non-grandmaster). Could he do it with just a king, a bishop, a rook, and all his pawns for instance?
Could he do it with just a king, a bishop, a rook, and all his pawns for instance?
I don't think so. He is a skilled chess player, but not a magician. With such a huge material advantage, even an intermediate player could just play aggressively and trade material at every opportunity.
I think I could even beat Stockfish with an advantage that big.
I think I could even beat Stockfish with an advantage that big.
Stockfish would probably be considerably easier in this situation. It'll assume the opponent is also an expert and play passively trying to stave off the inevitable while Carlsen will bait you with exchanges that look balanced but aren't. Knowing what moves a human is likely to overlook and what looks like a plausible bluff is still something humans are best at. I've "cheated" my way out of so many losing positions, it's almost an essential skill for human-on-human play.
Magnus is especially skilled in speed chess. The faster the better.
When he played Fabiano Caruana for the world championship, they played 12 standard games, with a speed chess showdown in case of a draw after the standard games.
Magnus played very conservatively, forcing every standard game to a draw. If he had played more aggressively to win, there is a chance that he could have made a mistake and lost. So the match was settled by a series of speed chess games where Magnus had an overwhelming advantage and won every game.
Caruana was also playing rather conservatively that match.
Don't expect that this time if Fabiano makes it to the world championship game. Carlsen has been practicing dynamic chess, so expect him to play some 'surprise' "aggressiveness."
Yeah but reckless chess playing? What has the world come to.
An absolute hooligan, it doesn't matter how good he is if he's playing recklessly. Whatever next? Something even more reckless like a game of Scrabble?
Before you know it he'll be doing heroin or coke with that kind of mad lifestyle.
The Youtube video linked from the article shows him beating GM Sergei Zhigalko - misidentified as a top ranked Russian grandmaster (he is from Belarus and around 80 rating points away from the top 100) - some IMs and then coming up against Alireza Firouzia who was 15 at the time and is a potential world champion. I abandoned the 2+ hour video at that point - the mix definitely included some extremely good players.
Perhaps Carlsen's "wild" behavior is an extension of his marketing partnership with gambling company Unibet [msn.com].
Showing the appeal of "living the good life", maybe.
From talking about this with a friend in Norway, this "deal" is quite controversial there. Unibet has a reputation for being quite predatory toward "problem gamblers".
Correlation versus causality is hard as usual to determine here, though...
Nah, you can see the evolution of his play over time. At first he was playing very carefully, treating each opponent as if they were a top GM, even if they made a mistake. Then over time, he got more and more casual. Eventually he got drunk and started playing moves given to him by his friend (who was also drunk), which were bad moves. Once he got into impossibly bad positions, then he would try to win, and he did win.
Sounds like boredom. If he is that good, there are not many players around who will really offer a satisfying win. So he screws around, deliberately handicapping himself for the challenge, and does a bit of showboating for his fans' entertainment in the process.
No it has nothing to do with it. You just brought it up, out of nowhere, as a smear. Good job though, you should be an SJW, this move is right out of their playbook.
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He wins more than I do, but I'm rated about 2100 which is already high enough that most of my opponents aren't as good as me, as I have to win a lot just to keep from losing rating points.
If you set a minimum rating above your own, you won't actually be "playing recklessly" you'll be "waiting for a game." To actually be paired in a reasonable amount of time you have to set it for your own rating class, and if you're above about 1500 the result will be a larger number of opponents just below your rating.
It looks like arrogant showboating, but I suspect that perhaps the madness is actually ineffability. That he is deliberate exploring positions far outside the grandmaster norm.
I've been watching some of his games, and while I know shit all about chess past the rules and basics, he's hilarious to watch. Calls his opponent's every move, including his resignation, well before they even make them, etc.
"Feeding two birds with one scone."
This guy is just funny. He's having a good time and not taking himself too seriously.
Wrong. That is not what "not taking himself too seriously" would look like.
This is him taking himself very seriously. And enjoying it tremendously.
It is other people he's not taking seriously.
He takes everything seriously, even the "friendly" soccer matches on the days off at major tournaments. He enjoys himself a lot, because he wins a lot.
I've just watched 1/2 hour of that youtube video and at 29:23 he finally loses after seconds earlier saying "no mate as far as I can see". At 27:40, at the start of the game he says his opponents name, "Rebecca Harris" and then a few seconds later "I hate playing this guy he's so much better than me" and laughs. She was! Take a bow Rebecca for handing Mozart his ass on a plate! Magnus is incredible to watch. I couldn't believe I'd clicked on the link from here and then watch 1/2 hour of it. Had to finally stop
Might seem entertaining to some, but this is just being a jerk. A lot of people put a lot of effort into these tournaments. Carlson's acts are like letting a drunk driver into a car race. He's going to get in the way and screw up any form of real competition by giving points away to some, while creaming others.
It also hinders other people's learning. They might try a nee opening, get creamed and then spend the next month trying to figure out why.
If he's going to play anonymously, it should be under circ
I just signed up to Lichess to try it. It makes you click on 4 radio buttons agreeing to 4 things. One of which reads "I agree that I will not create multiple accounts." But, hey, if you are World #1 at chess and rapid chess I guess the rules can be ignored...
It's not that he's better than me (Score:5, Insightful)
Against less experienced players (probably me) he can give away his queen and still win.
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It would be interesting to see just how many pieces he could give away and still expect to beat a typical player (meaning a non-grandmaster). Could he do it with just a king, a bishop, a rook, and all his pawns for instance?
Re:It's not that he's better than me (Score:5, Interesting)
Another interesting game maybe is where Magnus accidentally lost his queen to a much weaker player [youtube.com].
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Could he do it with just a king, a bishop, a rook, and all his pawns for instance?
I don't think so. He is a skilled chess player, but not a magician. With such a huge material advantage, even an intermediate player could just play aggressively and trade material at every opportunity.
I think I could even beat Stockfish with an advantage that big.
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I think I could even beat Stockfish with an advantage that big.
Stockfish would probably be considerably easier in this situation. It'll assume the opponent is also an expert and play passively trying to stave off the inevitable while Carlsen will bait you with exchanges that look balanced but aren't. Knowing what moves a human is likely to overlook and what looks like a plausible bluff is still something humans are best at. I've "cheated" my way out of so many losing positions, it's almost an essential skill for human-on-human play.
Re:It's not that he's better than me (Score:5, Informative)
Magnus is especially skilled in speed chess. The faster the better.
When he played Fabiano Caruana for the world championship, they played 12 standard games, with a speed chess showdown in case of a draw after the standard games.
Magnus played very conservatively, forcing every standard game to a draw. If he had played more aggressively to win, there is a chance that he could have made a mistake and lost. So the match was settled by a series of speed chess games where Magnus had an overwhelming advantage and won every game.
It was a very smart strategy.
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Don't expect that this time if Fabiano makes it to the world championship game. Carlsen has been practicing dynamic chess, so expect him to play some 'surprise' "aggressiveness."
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Yeah but reckless chess playing? What has the world come to.
An absolute hooligan, it doesn't matter how good he is if he's playing recklessly. Whatever next? Something even more reckless like a game of Scrabble?
Before you know it he'll be doing heroin or coke with that kind of mad lifestyle.
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Awesome that so many here also follow chess!
Re:It's not that he's better than me (Score:5, Funny)
Awesome that so many here also follow chess!
Chess tournaments are a great place to meet chicks, right behind model railroading conventions.
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Place like that, 90% of the chicks have--or used to have--dicks. Best of luck with that, mate.
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Rod Stewart goes to model railroad conventions and he hasn't done too badly over the years, maybe this is the secret of his success.
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Yes, because Rod Stewart is totally famous for his model railroading, and nothing else.
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The Youtube video linked from the article shows him beating GM Sergei Zhigalko - misidentified as a top ranked Russian grandmaster (he is from Belarus and around 80 rating points away from the top 100) - some IMs and then coming up against Alireza Firouzia who was 15 at the time and is a potential world champion. I abandoned the 2+ hour video at that point - the mix definitely included some extremely good players.
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You get two kinds of chess players, those that memorize moves and those that actually play the game.
What happens in... Unibet... stays in Unibet (Score:2)
Perhaps Carlsen's "wild" behavior is an extension of his marketing partnership with gambling company Unibet [msn.com].
Showing the appeal of "living the good life", maybe.
From talking about this with a friend in Norway, this "deal" is quite controversial there. Unibet has a reputation for being quite predatory toward "problem gamblers".
Correlation versus causality is hard as usual to determine here, though...
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He is a lot more sloppy now.
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Sounds more like "devolution of his play over time" to me, but then I'm only an A-player. ;)
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evolution
devolution
Depends on if his goal is monotony or fun/entertainment.
If it's the former, you can just watch two chess engines playing against each other.
If it's the latter, it's fair to call it "evolution" of this form of performance art.
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Yes, I find evolution very entertaining... on multiple levels.
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Hold on a moment, I need to wager a few Pascals with Unibet.
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Re:What happens in... Unibet... stays in Unibet (Score:4, Insightful)
Sounds like boredom. If he is that good, there are not many players around who will really offer a satisfying win. So he screws around, deliberately handicapping himself for the challenge, and does a bit of showboating for his fans' entertainment in the process.
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Yeah, this is the vibe I got. He's too good to play it straight all the time, and even world champions need to relax and care for their mental health.
Sounds like he'd fit in at Slashdot, actually.
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Wake me up from this nightmare... (Score:-1)
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Finally! Something in common! (Score:3)
I play recklessly on lichess, too!
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Yes, but he wins.
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He wins more than I do, but I'm rated about 2100 which is already high enough that most of my opponents aren't as good as me, as I have to win a lot just to keep from losing rating points.
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If you set a minimum rating above your own, you won't actually be "playing recklessly" you'll be "waiting for a game." To actually be paired in a reasonable amount of time you have to set it for your own rating class, and if you're above about 1500 the result will be a larger number of opponents just below your rating.
When you're a star (Score:2)
They let you do it. Truer words have never been spoken.
Real GMs (Score:2)
method to the madness (Score:2)
It looks like arrogant showboating, but I suspect that perhaps the madness is actually ineffability. That he is deliberate exploring positions far outside the grandmaster norm.
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No it is literally just him getting drunk and playing stupid chess because he can.
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I've been watching some of his games, and while I know shit all about chess past the rules and basics, he's hilarious to watch. Calls his opponent's every move, including his resignation, well before they even make them, etc.
"Feeding two birds with one scone."
This guy is just funny. He's having a good time and not taking himself too seriously.
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Wrong. That is not what "not taking himself too seriously" would look like.
This is him taking himself very seriously. And enjoying it tremendously.
It is other people he's not taking seriously.
He takes everything seriously, even the "friendly" soccer matches on the days off at major tournaments. He enjoys himself a lot, because he wins a lot.
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He's developing moves like, "the Bongcloud". He opens up c2 and c5, then spends several moves doing nothing but swapping his king and queen.
Major lulz.
Not a chess player, my bad (Score:0)
F2, not c5.
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Not Fantasy Football (Score:2)
That's not Fantasy Football. It's Fantasy Soccer.
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That's not Fantasy Football. It's Fantasy Soccer.
It's a game where the players handle the ball with their feet. The thing Americans play is a sort of kid's version of rugby.
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Etymology is not meaning, lern yous sum Angles.
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American douchebag. Please fuck off!
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Soccer is a British term, please brexit the hell off.
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We INVENTED Fantasy Football [wikipedia.org], so feel free to fuck right off yourself.
Geekdom of the third kind (Score:2)
In this world there are nerds, and then incels...and then chess fanatics.
heh (Score:2)
Given how pompous a lot of amateur but "serious" chess players are, it gives me some happiness knowing that some of his victims are those people.
Only human. (Score:2)
I've just watched 1/2 hour of that youtube video and at 29:23 he finally loses after seconds earlier saying "no mate as far as I can see".
At 27:40, at the start of the game he says his opponents name, "Rebecca Harris" and then a few seconds later "I hate playing this guy he's so much better than me" and laughs.
She was! Take a bow Rebecca for handing Mozart his ass on a plate!
Magnus is incredible to watch. I couldn't believe I'd clicked on the link from here and then watch 1/2 hour of it.
Had to finally stop
Pretty much a d*ck move (Score:2)
Might seem entertaining to some, but this is just being a jerk. A lot of people put a lot of effort into these tournaments. Carlson's acts are like letting a drunk driver into a car race. He's going to get in the way and screw up any form of real competition by giving points away to some, while creaming others.
It also hinders other people's learning. They might try a nee opening, get creamed and then spend the next month trying to figure out why.
If he's going to play anonymously, it should be under circ
Lichess T's & C's not being honoured. (Score:4, Interesting)
I just signed up to Lichess to try it.
It makes you click on 4 radio buttons agreeing to 4 things.
One of which reads "I agree that I will not create multiple accounts."
But, hey, if you are World #1 at chess and rapid chess I guess the rules can be ignored...