Except it's confined to sterile cage in a research institute and has no control over the operations performed on it.
While I understand the need for primate testing for such a device before doing implant testing in humans, it's disingenuous to say that this monkey isn't unhappy.
Is this device worth doing this to primates for? Are the benefits worth it?
Is it so risky that we couldn't do it on volunteers?
Deep brain stuff has been tested on primates since the 80s, if we haven't made much progress since then is it okay to keep using primates?
Personally I don't think we should use primates for testing at all, except in very limited circumstances where there is a great medical. Nuralink doesn't seem that important.
We hadn't made much progress on desirable electric cars until Tesla changed the game. We hadn't made much progress on reusable rockets and getting the cost of space flight down until SpaceX. So the fact that we "haven't made much progress" on "deep brain stuff" does not carry much weight with me. Neuralink is similarly trying to take direct brain interfacing to a whole new level, with orders of magnitude more connections than any previous device, and if they succeed, it could be huge. I guess you don't have
sod off, musk isn't going to let you give him a blow job. We made substantial progress on electric before musk, and substantial progress on reusable rockets before musk (we had a reusable space vehicle in flight when he was 10). Stop thinking the guy is going to save you. He's not a messiah, he's a cliche' evil bond villain. As a person for whom deep brain stimulation has been considered in the past for a movement disorder I have, no - there is no excuse for this.
So what evidence do you have that these tests on primates are necessary (can't be done any other way) and that the chances of them leading to useful results are high?
Musk has a long line of failed and abandoned ideas, almost as bad as Google. Just because he occasionally gets it right isn't reason enough to put primates through this, especially as a lot of research has already been done in this area and his results so far are not particularly spectacular. We have had primates playing games and completing si
As you cannot read a monkey's mind, remotely and back in time at that, I think it's you who are being disingenuous presuming it's unhappiness. They at least know the monkey first hand.
By the way, monkey cages are pretty much unsterile by definition, diapers notwithstanding.
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Except it's confined to sterile cage in a research institute and has no control over the operations performed on it.
While I understand the need for primate testing for such a device before doing implant testing in humans, it's disingenuous to say that this monkey isn't unhappy.
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Ask any pet owner.
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the ones with animal happily confined to house? Bet a monkey with food and sex and toys is happy.
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because most pets are.
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You've never lived with a dog, apparently. Hell, even guinea pigs can demonstrate joy.
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Do any humans other than yourself experience "happy" and "sad"? If so, prove it.
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Can't really explain "happy" to a pseudo-contrarian chatbot troll who cannot.
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Never been owned by a cat, have you? They even get offended.
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Except it's confined to sterile cage in a research institute and has no control over the operations performed on it.
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Just like all those Facebook and Twitter users in their sterilized echo chamber.
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it's disingenuous to say that this monkey isn't unhappy.
I know he's officially the world's richest person and all, but this seems just a little too dastardly: the monkey can't say no.
Boeing/ULA executives, on the other hand, can say no.. and can be ignored.
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Do we need primate testing for this thing?
Is this device worth doing this to primates for? Are the benefits worth it?
Is it so risky that we couldn't do it on volunteers?
Deep brain stuff has been tested on primates since the 80s, if we haven't made much progress since then is it okay to keep using primates?
Personally I don't think we should use primates for testing at all, except in very limited circumstances where there is a great medical. Nuralink doesn't seem that important.
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We hadn't made much progress on desirable electric cars until Tesla changed the game. We hadn't made much progress on reusable rockets and getting the cost of space flight down until SpaceX. So the fact that we "haven't made much progress" on "deep brain stuff" does not carry much weight with me. Neuralink is similarly trying to take direct brain interfacing to a whole new level, with orders of magnitude more connections than any previous device, and if they succeed, it could be huge. I guess you don't have
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So what evidence do you have that these tests on primates are necessary (can't be done any other way) and that the chances of them leading to useful results are high?
Musk has a long line of failed and abandoned ideas, almost as bad as Google. Just because he occasionally gets it right isn't reason enough to put primates through this, especially as a lot of research has already been done in this area and his results so far are not particularly spectacular. We have had primates playing games and completing si
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Have you ever considered it's the technology that's being improved instead of the activity?
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Yes.
Yes. Artificial limbs, for instance.
You first, as they say.
First, we have made a lot of progress. You are either ignorant of it or are ignoring it. And unless you've a substitute that is as close to
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Dude's being set up to play virtual Pong! How unhappy could he be?
In all seriousness though, Pong? Couldn't we reach just a *little* bit higher for that first test? Pacman? Donkey Kong? Dig Dug?
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Monkey's probably aren't smart enough for Donkey Kong, Pong is easy to set up a reward system for.
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Make sure you use a smaller primate as they are often preyed upon by chimps. Give it a reason to beat Donkey Kong.
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By the way, monkey cages are pretty much unsterile by definition, diapers notwithstanding.