How so, are you implying they don't try to catch and prosecute carjackers? I call BS.
Really? You're calling BS on lawmakers who vote to send Americans to endless wars? You're calling BS on lawmakers who choose to throw Twitter shit at each other for political team points instead of doing their jobs and meeting in the center aisle to properly provide for millions of Americans put out of work by a pandemic, who after months of political stagnation, might be forced into a life of crime?
Gee, I can't possibly think of any other external factors in America that would cause crime to rise in a major city, especially after you shutter entire industries for months on end, removing many legal sources of income...(/sarcasm)
Since when has anyone anywhere tried to decriminalize carjacking? Fully agreed, that would be a terrible idea, so terrible that nobody is even suggesting it.
Since when has anyone anywhere tried to decriminalize carjacking? Fully agreed, that would be a terrible idea, so terrible that nobody is even suggesting it.
Yeah, instead were here talking about a fucking video game...speaking of terrible ideas.
And to the parents point, when petty theft limits raise higher and higher and essentially become ignored and converted to an "insurance" matter due to lack of police force resources, we do end up with more theft that isn't so "petty" anymore. People get shot and killed for "petty" crimes all the time.
Failure to enforce the law is another matter entirely. There has certainly been a fair bit of that. I suspect part of the problem there is that there are too many victimless crimes on the books and so way too many much easier targets for law enforcement to burn their time on.
And the video game thing is just exactly the sort of silly waste that distracts from actually enforcing the laws against crime. The last thing we need is for cops to ignore actual carjacking while they go after people illegally obtainin
I was working on a computer next to the front desk of the Tacoma Police Department when a complainant came in to say that he saw his stolen bicycle parked behind his neighbor's house and could they please arrest the guy. The desk officer asked, "Is it worth more than $1000? No? Then it's a misdemeanor crime and the prosecutor's office doesn't have the resources to run it through the court system so we're not going to dispatch anyone." Then he looked around, didn't see anyone that he thought could hear,
Failure to enforce the law is another matter entirely. There has certainly been a fair bit of that. I suspect part of the problem there is that there are too many victimless crimes on the books and so way too many much easier targets for law enforcement to burn their time on.
Yes, but that is not merely a failure to enforce the law. It's redefining what a crime is entirely by raising the thresholds well beyond an arrest or even a police matter. They don't even have to care, regardless of resource limitations when a "crime" is reported. They could have 20 cops standing around doing nothing, and would still do nothing. Dismissing crime only creates more and more victims, and higher and higher insurance rates for all of us. Next thing you know, shooting a (non) criminal committi
The cops ignoring misdemeanors is still a question of enforcement. If there are 20 cops standing around while ignoring a reported misdemeanor, it's cops not doing their job. Perhaps they should join a road crew so they can be "men at work". There is nothing about the designation "misdemeanor" that is intended to call for a lack of enforcement, it's still a crime.
The cops ignoring misdemeanors is still a question of enforcement. If there are 20 cops standing around while ignoring a reported misdemeanor, it's cops not doing their job. Perhaps they should join a road crew so they can be "men at work". There is nothing about the designation "misdemeanor" that is intended to call for a lack of enforcement, it's still a crime.
You should probably read the other comments posted on this thread regarding the police actually advising citizens to go steal back their own stolen property before assuming this is merely cops ignoring misdemeanors. When there are no law enforcement personnel who care and the prosecutors office doesn't care, it really isn't a crime anymore regardless of what's "on the books". Laws matter when any level of enforcement exists. Otherwise, it's essentially reduced to a suggestion or firm recommendation. A m
I have. I don't deny that there is a problem. I'm just pointing out that the problem is enforcement. Making things a double dog misdemeanor won't change the fact that the cops are ignoring it.
I have been in situations where I have told police that (more or less) if the fire isn't big enough to draw their attention, I can go pour some gasoline on it if they like. That got action.
In South Africa, consistent failure to enforce the law WRT carjacking led citizens to install flame throwers that will incinerate w
Umm, carjacking isn't a Federal crime. And "sending Americans to endless wars" isn't a State matter.
Speaking of Federal or State matters, were here talking about a Federal employee pissing away State and Federal taxpayer dollars bitching about an ancient video game.
Petty theft limits rise higher and higher in areas where police resources are limited, converting an actual crime into a mere "insurance matter". When that happens, criminals are emboldened. At the rate we're going, carjacking won't be considered a crime soon, but merely a "car insurance problem."
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How so, are you implying they don't try to catch and prosecute carjackers? I call BS.
Really? You're calling BS on lawmakers who vote to send Americans to endless wars? You're calling BS on lawmakers who choose to throw Twitter shit at each other for political team points instead of doing their jobs and meeting in the center aisle to properly provide for millions of Americans put out of work by a pandemic, who after months of political stagnation, might be forced into a life of crime?
Gee, I can't possibly think of any other external factors in America that would cause crime to rise in a major city, especially after you shutter entire industries for months on end, removing many legal sources of income...(/sarcasm)
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Since when has anyone anywhere tried to decriminalize carjacking? Fully agreed, that would be a terrible idea, so terrible that nobody is even suggesting it.
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Since when has anyone anywhere tried to decriminalize carjacking? Fully agreed, that would be a terrible idea, so terrible that nobody is even suggesting it.
Yeah, instead were here talking about a fucking video game...speaking of terrible ideas.
And to the parents point, when petty theft limits raise higher and higher and essentially become ignored and converted to an "insurance" matter due to lack of police force resources, we do end up with more theft that isn't so "petty" anymore. People get shot and killed for "petty" crimes all the time.
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Failure to enforce the law is another matter entirely. There has certainly been a fair bit of that. I suspect part of the problem there is that there are too many victimless crimes on the books and so way too many much easier targets for law enforcement to burn their time on.
And the video game thing is just exactly the sort of silly waste that distracts from actually enforcing the laws against crime. The last thing we need is for cops to ignore actual carjacking while they go after people illegally obtainin
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I was working on a computer next to the front desk of the Tacoma Police Department when a complainant came in to say that he saw his stolen bicycle parked behind his neighbor's house and could they please arrest the guy. The desk officer asked, "Is it worth more than $1000? No? Then it's a misdemeanor crime and the prosecutor's office doesn't have the resources to run it through the court system so we're not going to dispatch anyone." Then he looked around, didn't see anyone that he thought could hear,
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Failure to enforce the law is another matter entirely. There has certainly been a fair bit of that. I suspect part of the problem there is that there are too many victimless crimes on the books and so way too many much easier targets for law enforcement to burn their time on.
Yes, but that is not merely a failure to enforce the law. It's redefining what a crime is entirely by raising the thresholds well beyond an arrest or even a police matter. They don't even have to care, regardless of resource limitations when a "crime" is reported. They could have 20 cops standing around doing nothing, and would still do nothing. Dismissing crime only creates more and more victims, and higher and higher insurance rates for all of us. Next thing you know, shooting a (non) criminal committi
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The cops ignoring misdemeanors is still a question of enforcement. If there are 20 cops standing around while ignoring a reported misdemeanor, it's cops not doing their job. Perhaps they should join a road crew so they can be "men at work". There is nothing about the designation "misdemeanor" that is intended to call for a lack of enforcement, it's still a crime.
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The cops ignoring misdemeanors is still a question of enforcement. If there are 20 cops standing around while ignoring a reported misdemeanor, it's cops not doing their job. Perhaps they should join a road crew so they can be "men at work". There is nothing about the designation "misdemeanor" that is intended to call for a lack of enforcement, it's still a crime.
You should probably read the other comments posted on this thread regarding the police actually advising citizens to go steal back their own stolen property before assuming this is merely cops ignoring misdemeanors. When there are no law enforcement personnel who care and the prosecutors office doesn't care, it really isn't a crime anymore regardless of what's "on the books". Laws matter when any level of enforcement exists. Otherwise, it's essentially reduced to a suggestion or firm recommendation. A m
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I have. I don't deny that there is a problem. I'm just pointing out that the problem is enforcement. Making things a double dog misdemeanor won't change the fact that the cops are ignoring it.
I have been in situations where I have told police that (more or less) if the fire isn't big enough to draw their attention, I can go pour some gasoline on it if they like. That got action.
In South Africa, consistent failure to enforce the law WRT carjacking led citizens to install flame throwers that will incinerate w
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Umm, carjacking isn't a Federal crime. And "sending Americans to endless wars" isn't a State matter.
Speaking of Federal or State matters, were here talking about a Federal employee pissing away State and Federal taxpayer dollars bitching about an ancient video game.
Petty theft limits rise higher and higher in areas where police resources are limited, converting an actual crime into a mere "insurance matter". When that happens, criminals are emboldened. At the rate we're going, carjacking won't be considered a crime soon, but merely a "car insurance problem."