There's nothing dystopian about it at all. I value freedom of speech. Others don't. Let them choose to self-censor, let me choose not to, and we can all play the same game.
The alternative seems to be that they forcibly censor everyone so that the easily offended don't have to have their "innocence" threatened.
This. As long as you can adjust the sliders, it's up to each individual person. Some people don't mind this stuff or like edgy trash talking. Let them do their thing, and the people that would be offended or hurt can use this tool.
This. As long as you can adjust the sliders, it's up to each individual person. Some people don't mind this stuff or like edgy trash talking. Let them do their thing, and the people that would be offended or hurt can use this tool.
Sorry, but I don't agree at all, as I can already see where this is going, especially with children that we will likely enforce some kind of draconian bullshit that forces them to accept presets, and do not have the freedom to access adjustment "sliders".
And the end result, will be a brand new set of "offensive" words. Can't use the old "N-word" because filters? Fine nagger. I won't then. See how easy that is to still offend and fool AI?
We ignorantly act like texting kids these days are really into eggplants, and haven't created their own language with emojis.
Lets all start using the word nagger in place of the other n-word and see how long it takes for nagger to be banned and then move to a new n-world. I bet we can get every word starting with N banned and then move on to an other letter untill all words are banned.
> Lets all start using the word nagger in place of the other n-word and see how long it takes for nagger to be banned and then move to a new n-world.
People have already been fired over making the "OK sign"... even though it was some low level guy with his hand out the window who wasn't even making the OK sign to begin with.
So I can finally use the word s n i g g e r again. It is a particular kind of laugh and why the word is banned is beyond me. Although snagger sounds more like an association with sexual assault than a kind of laugh.
You joke but I saw someone censored and almost banned from a community for using that in normal context. It escalated when he [poster] tried diffusing the person who claimed it was racist explaining meaning which others backed but apparently it is bad because "it sounds racist", how can you argue with someone like that. An attempt at humour made it worse when he missed the python reference of being told "go away or I shall taunt you a second time". It was rather amusing but for the fact these people often
This. I don't play online games, but... Intel is starting with gaming, then moves onto X, then it's ubiquitous and without 'sliders' and unknown list of 'offensive words'. Also, screw everything that wants to listen to me in real time and feed some 'AI' and/or database I cannot opt out of that keeps my data indefinitely.
Yes, and imagine the kind of people this will create. You think the PC is bad now (even academic complain they can't research freely)? Just try to conceive of what will happen if an entire generation grows up knowing this as the norm and resolving problems this way. Authoritarianism, here we come.
Just try to conceive of what will happen if an entire generation grows up knowing this as the norm and resolving problems this way. Authoritarianism, here we come.
The most violently ignorant thing about this, is trying to convince the really stupid ones why they don't want this.
Because they do. They're actually THAT fucking stupid that they want it.
kids are impressionable. I would not what my kid (assuming they weren't already grown) to constantly hear the N* word because they'll get in the habit of it. It risks normalizing the word in other contexts.
And that's before we ignore the entire "pipeline" aspect of modern radicalization. e.g. get kids used to hearing the N* word and when they encounter it online in the context of White Supremacy movements (of which there are many and they are surprisingly well funded) instead of the sense of mild revuls
kids are impressionable. I would not what my kid (assuming they weren't already grown) to constantly hear the N* word because they'll get in the habit of it. It risks normalizing the word in other contexts.
You are correct, but this isn't merely about the N* word.
There are only two genders.
Biological women, have an unfair disadvantage and should not be forced to compete with transgender athletes.
Please identify the verboten AI-crushing statement above that seeks to create a bad habit for children, as the young female student walks into biology class in the morning, and onto a sports field in the afternoon to go for a scholarship.
You're right. Kids are impressionable. This is why we now have an entire gen
What is scary is if the "AI" powers this reports back to a centralized server. Now if I am running this software on my computer everyone else in a game session is having their information sent to a third party they did not agree to. And to make matters worse if it ever gets used for a witch hunt with the mentality of "you are not filtering X therefore you must be one" And while yes I find everything on this list representable behaviors as an Adult in my early 40s I can just simply ignore things people type
You know what people will do. They'll come up with alternate words for the bad words and then we'll have to bleep the alternate words. Eventually nothing will be allowed, you flerb-heads.
You're probably some Trump supporting white nationalist red neck retard, otherwise you'd understand that there is such a thing as trolls and extremely prejudiced people that know how to use words to hurt people.
What a beautifully crafted strawman you created. Excellent work!
Whatever I may or may not think about people is irrelevant. Some people are okay with being exposed to certain kinds of speech, which includes hate speech. Some are not. It's up to you as an individual on what you want to be exposed to. What's not up to you is what others want to be exposed to.
Agreed. By the same token, there is a difference between boycotting and cancel-culture. One gives the individual the choice whether or not to participate, the other seeks to take away everyone's choice because, you know, everyone else is too ignorant to do that on their own.
Functionally what is the difference between cancel culture and a boycott? Like say you don't like things an actor said, what should you do to boycott but not cancel?
Traditional boycott - "Such and such is whatever because, you really should not use their products or otherwise support them"
Cancel culture - "Such and such is whatever because, you really should not use their products or otherwise support them - and if you fail agree with me and participate in the boycott I am going organize a boycott against you too"
One carries an implied threat the third party the other doesn't.
So for example if you wanted to boycott factories that use slave labour you wouldn't stop buying things made there on behalf of other companies, you just wouldn't do business with the factory yourself?
I think the question is, is the activity related or not.
Example, Evil Mining co uses child labor to extract diamonds and exposes them to heavy metal poisoning.
So you boycott Evil Mining co. Its reasonable and fair to also boycott Bob's Jewelry Company if he won't stop using stones from Evil Co.
Its a bridge to far to freeze out Jim's Home Building because he bought his wife a ring from Bob's at one point. Maybe he did not know about the problems with Evil Co at the time, maybe he does not care, but his profe
Its a bridge to far to freeze out Jim's Home Building because he bought his wife a ring from Bob's at one point.
Agreed, but what does this have to do with cancel culture? Can you give an example where someone only tangentially related has been cancelled without a good reason?
A boycott is advocating for people not to do business with companies that use slave labor factories. Cancel culture is a mob backed by multi-billion dollar corporations
So which was Gina Carano not being invited back to play her character in The Mandalorian?
People advocated for people not to do business with her. But Disney is a multi-billion dollar corporation.
Are you saying that people should not have advocated to not do business with her because there was a danger that Disney would hear them and cancel her, or that other people would hear them and form a "mob"?
And once again disingenuous and dishonest as always. Gina Carano had overwhelming support [archive.is] from the vast majority of actual people with 58% of Americans across all age groups, gender, and ethnicity voicing opposition. But it gets even better, when people were actually shown what she actually said for themselves that number skyrockets to a staggering 72%.
That's a full 14 point jump solely by showing people with their own two eyes what she was fired for. That's how dishonest you, and the rest of the woke mov
Maybe the difference is that everyone ignores a boycott but cancel doesn't work unless everyone joins in? But really, there's no difference, except that some people like to point out that cancel is worse for some reason. Boycotts were not just "don't buy grapes", but they would actively get involved in pressuring companies to change their buying habits and the like (such as boycotting South Africa the push was to get companies to disinvest).
Maybe the difference here is that boycott is against products or
I agree but depends on where this gets used. Its one thing to slap it on a video game, it would be another thing to bolt it on a web browser for example.
We probably don't need to have conversations about race while we are relaxing playing some game. It would be a shame if half the population blocks half the comments they see on a site like this. Yes yes of course its their right to do so, but you if you think people live in their little echo chambers now and talk past each other when they encounter any diff
so that the easily offended don't have to have their "innocence" threatened.
Just to check, is this what you believe motivates the people who want to censor? And what do you mean by "innocence"? Do you think they might have other motives too? If so, what are they? If not, what leads you to believe this is the dominant motive?
He was being generous. If the motivation for censorship isn't to protect oneself from being offended, then the only other possible motive is to squelch other people's viewpoints. That's a complete violation of Freedom of Speech (suppressing other people's viewpoints for the purpose of advancing your own). And firmly puts you into the "evil" category in this debate (prioritizing your rights over the identical rights of others).
But if you're doing it to protect yourself from being offended, then it's only
If the motivation for censorship isn't to protect oneself from being offended, then the only other possible motive is to squelch other people's viewpoints
Just to check, do you believe those two motives are really the only two possible motives?
Are you distinguishing ultimate motive vs proximal motive? Are you saying these are the only two ultimate motives, or the only two proximal motives?
And firmly puts you into the "evil" category in this debate (prioritizing your rights over the identical rights of others).
Are you making the claim that "squelch other people's viewpoints" is necessarily evil when it's the proximal motive, or when it's the ultimate motive, or both?
No. I believe that they want things that make them feel bad to go away, and to have the world reshaped in their image of what it should be, through whatever means necessary. It's often done, though, with the *justification* of protecting the innocence of others, hence my reference to the term. "Think of the children", says the person who wishes to silence and police the language of others.
A tool that lets them put on virtual earmuffs is much preferable to that.
This is exactly it. If YOU can't handle it, then YOU disable it for YOURSELF, YOU turn it off in YOUR settings, YOU YOU YOU. Don't like the gore in a game? YOU turn it off. Don't like skimpy outfits? YOU turn it off. Don't like swearing in books and comics? YOU deface it with a black marker in YOUR copy. And if YOU don't have that option, YOU are free to cry a river, build a bridge, and get YOUR ass over it.
There's nothing dystopian about it at all. I value freedom of speech. Others don't. Let them choose to self-censor, let me choose not to, and we can all play the same game.
The alternative seems to be that they forcibly censor everyone so that the easily offended don't have to have their "innocence" threatened.
Sure. That sounds reasonable until a different AI bundles you into a "potential troublemakers' " group for turning off disfavored speech filters.
The funny thing about free speech is that popular, "safe" speech needs little protection. It therefore can't be "abused", because the ability to use it is intrinsic to the concept of being free.
That's why when stormfront was taken offline, I literally reached out and offered to help get them back online, despite them thinking that I'm a "degenerate beaner faggot that's going to burn in the fiery pits of hell". If those assholes are free to speak, then I know that I'm free to speak, because nothing I ever say is going to rise to the level of their filth.
In other words, I certainly don't agree with what they say, but I will defend their right to say it.
You are free to use your speech to speak out against those you feel are abusing free speech, that's literally how it works. By the way, you used your free speech to tell someone to kill himself. Driving someone to suicide has been held up as a crime in the past, meaning if he was to read this post and then snuff himself, you could very well be taken to court for it.
Also, saying "abusing free speech" is like saying "Stealing a free balloon" or "Loitering in your own house".
Also in before the Free Speech Warriors, this is meant to stop 12 year olds from shouting the N word while playing COD (or 8 year olds from doing the same on Roblox). That's the target market. Some parents would really like it if their kids don't have the use of racial slurs normalized in their everyday speech....
Oh, and before I forget, can we get the slider an "8-Chan" setting? Or would that be like Spinal Tap's "going to 11"?
if kids get around it with slang. This isn't about the kids, it's about their parents. Their parents won't know if they use new slang to mean the same thing, it'll sound like harmless nonsense. The goal here is to make it so the parents aren't hearing their kids say racial slurs so they don't take little Timmy's copy of COD away (or worse, not let him buy all the DLC and next years boxed special edition).
But you know what would work: Whenever someone uses a naughty word, it enables auto-aim for everyone else (of course, only when aiming at the offending player). Simply make them into losers and the language will be instantly cleaned up.
Like I said on my other post, this is being built and marketed to clean up use of the N* word in video games, especially ones played by kids. This isn't woke SJW companies driving it, it's so parents don't start hearing little Timmy go N**** this and N**** that as kids are prone to do when speech is normalized.
Point is it's not dystopian, it's business, and the headline is calculated to bring out the free speech warriors and their hate clicks. You guys (and me) are being played for a few extra add impressions. For shame/. editors. For shame. Was Buzzfeed too high class for you?
Intel is a woke SJW company. By nature, anything that is subject to public popularity will be a woke SJW company. Consider this: People are watch intel employees to make sure they toe the line. Nobody is watching the no-name company that makes firmware for mid-end coffee makers. Nobody cares if the no-name firmware company is toeing the line or not, so they dont have to be woke. Intel has to be woke because people are watching and they think that silence is violence
In case you haven't noticed, like nearly everything else in the tech world, Slashdot is basically a zombie of its former self at this point. The only posts that get any attention these days are those about woke ideological nonsense. The only posts that ever get over 100 comments are always political in nature. There are literally zero stories about cool new tech on the front page right now. None. Go ahead and look. It's extremely rare that there are.
msmash loves this garbage.
Do you have a suggestion for a tech site that shoves politics into the correct sideslots instead of using it to try to enforce purity amongst the commentators?
A couple years ago, we saw the "net neutrality" thing happen. The FCC, under Trump's appointee, removed the net neutrality rules that had been put in place under Obama's appointee. I generally thought this was not a great thing, and different people obviously had different opinions. But you know what blew my mind?
To be honest, I'm not even sure it's possible any more. Once one understands Post Modernism and Critical Theory, it becomes entirely clear that those that adhere to it absolutely aspire to inject their politics into everything. Logic and reason are out the window. It's all about (control of) language and systems of oppression. Moneyed interests are more than willing to help push this and Reddit is the worst platform as it is extremely easy to manipulate. Though Twitter and YouTube aren't that far behind.
Stop caring about the useless internet points. You're being downvoted by bots that have a financial interest in the situation. Call out bullshit when you see it.
politics is just how you organize a society bigger than a few hundred people (about the most you can get in a room to agree on things in one go). It pervades every single aspect of our lives.
I don't object to politics (dear God, read my posts) what I object to is this kind of hate click baiting. The editor isn't trying to start a discussion, they're trying to start a flame war.
what I object to is this kind of hate click baiting
I mean, you're not wrong but if you can't (or simply refuse to) see the progression of how we got here, I don't know what to tell you. Political flamewars are all that you're going get when you insist on making everything political. Slashdot needs clicks to survive, so do try to act surprised when the only thing left is disgusting political clickbait.
Just had a quick look through your post history and was amused to see quite a few political posts:)
I agree there could be less of them on Slashdot. But the reason they post them is because we keep coming back to them so we can get all frothy about whatever that jerk who is wrong said.
The only solution is to avoid these threads like the plague until they get the point, and spend our time contributing to the threads that we want to see more of.
this site doesn't do what you're talking about. What it does do is bait us with hate clicks and outrage porn because that gets clicks. There's no purity tests whatsoever (you will get modded down for being an Ass, as I am sometimes when I'm overly angry).
As for reddit, it's very left wing, but not for the reasons you might think. Literal N@zis (spilling over from 4/8 chan and the various "kuns") were everywhere. Any forum that leaned right ended up kicking the right wingers off because they couldn't con
Thank you, most of the purges on social media are from the, let's say "fascists" invading a space and the moderators or site owners having to take measures to bring the community back to some sort of normalcy. On reddit once they purged you could go to voat and see the hellscape a forum of only those purged users would be like and it was not pretty. They tend to ruin everything and as conservatives online seem to drift closer and closer to those types of folks they are going to get caught up in the net.
100% Correct. I keep coming back to/. out of habit and see the same Wokesterism time after time in the last few years: shell of it's former self, indeed. My visits are more spaced apart and less inspired every time. As you point out, most visits are now content free. Ie... no stories about cool shit, just SJW bomb-throwing, hyperbole, and ass-showing politics by non-technical hacks like Rsilvergun, Barefoot, and the rest of the left wing politburo that trolls here. Is this my last visit? Probably not. Is i
The moment you take away police protection, crime runs rampant and the area becomes unlivable. That's how humans are when surrounded by strangers or grouped together in significant numbers.
On the one hand, there are good people in the world. But there are far more assholes, and zero good kids (civil behavior must be learned and is a component of maturity, which kids don't have). Video game communities have plenty of assholes, and plenty of kids.
So, you do what you can without ruining everything for every
I prefer to be only moderately triggered while accumulating frags. Keeps me fired up, but not so much that I sacrifice good tactical decision making in a rage-induced tilt.
There's an easier solution that works 100% of the time and that's already available in all games, for all platforms. It's called mute audio from other players.
Nintendo offers some "pre-written" statements you can choose from, such as "That was fun!" or "Do you want to play again?"
But that's hardly interactive, especially when playing online with people in other countries. Like, I would love to be able to chat for a minute about what's happening in Sweden right now. But game companies have found it's either all or nothing, and therefore we get nothing. Filtering opens up possibilities.
Final Fantasy IX and XIV have hundreds of built-in words and sentences that are translated across all five supported languages. It's more than enough for interesting conversations.
Sorry, you're no longer allowed to take responsibility for your (or your child's) environment. That's best left for governments and private corporations.
...freedom of speech wasn't just a clause that's massively rules-lawyered (mostly by the left, hilariously) insisting it only narrowly applies to government, and isn't say, a general premise that we all held sacred conceptually?
Never was. Anyone with half a brain always understood that freedom of speech doesn't mean nobody has any control over their property or freedom of association.
This is a serious question, but can and will be interpreted as trolling.
How does one go about measuring the performance of this thing? Do you sit and monitor ordinary content on twitch or youtube or whatever and compare it to human moderators* or do you talk trash into it and measure the response to controlled input** and determine false alarm and false negative rates?
*aside from being slow, this will train the system to mimic the subjective interpretation of the human moderators. If that's the objective, then that's fine, but if those moderators are low-paid drones working off a rubric compiled by litigation-averse hr/pr types or by woke activists, then you've piled several problems at once into what you're designing for. The first being the skill and/or cultural competency of the human moderators and the second being the actual biases reflected in the rubric.
**if you're supplying controlled input, aside from selecting the input properly (see script writer bias above), how in the hell are you going to get people to drop the n-bomb into a microphone and/or on camera in the current political/social climate?
There was a story a while back about an MIT AI lab purging a database of labelled photos of things from the internet and urging all users to delete their copies too (classy/s) because the database came from empirical observations and data aggregation and had some naughty words and naughty pics in there.
Generating and curating a training database of nothing but naughty words is probably career suicide at this point if the woke jihadists demanding it be done suddenly realize the mechanics of what doing it actually means.
This is both a concern troll and a real concern. Woke types have demonstrated a pattern of eating their own on a whim. Why should anyone assume they can be trusted partners even if you agree with their crusade in either its most positive portrayal or if you're a willing sociopath co-opting the cause of justice to make a power play in the workplace or anywhere else?
Probably wasn't a design requirement. Also, you don't have to use this. This article was trolling for a reaction, and they got you. Are you against individual freedom and innovation? Probably not, so why do you care if someone makes this product and someone else uses it? As described, it will not affect your gameplay at all.
oh god, yes it will! He knows the other player can't hear him calling him a noob fag and it just eats his ass! Have you ever blocked someone on facebook? Holy shit! People start messaging long lost relatives trying to start shit or to get them to deliver their shit messages. I mean they get downright hateful about it. People pissing and moaning about this are usually fuckwads that MUST have the last word.
Word filters have been used in places since forever. A prime example is the *chan community (yes, like 4chan), where wordfilters are an everyday thing. There are always ways around them, and as you add more to the filters, they find more ways around them. That's the major reason that 'leet speak' [howtogeek.com] came into being: to evade word filters.
So what's going to happen here is that the people who want to evade the so-called 'AI' doing the word filtering will game the system in such a way as to make it useless -- or
It's always been my go-to when someone chooses to be an irritating dick online. Bleeping out bits of speech isn't going to cure the issue that they're trying to be offensive. It just reeks of a solution in search of a fixable problem, and latching onto something that it doesn't do well at.
Outrage grows against dystopian anti-punch body armor that allows one to visit a boxing rink with no risk of injury. Clearly, the goal is to stop people who wish to have fist fights with each other, not to protect those who do not want to participate.
Anyone who complains about any tweets already has that option - unsubscribe/block, problem solved. Similar applies to other internet sources, nobody is forcing you to listen, and yet, herds of SJW's get online to fight. Unfortunately, those are people whose primary goal is silence others. Those people will never be a satisfied with "just use [whatever filter software] and YOU never have to worry about seeing offensive content ever again". They will never stop until NOBODY can possibly create what they consi
Final.Fantasy 11 used to have a "chat" with a *whitelist*. Only A fixed word list was allowed. People still said everything they wanted. They just used combinations of existing words and gave words new meanings.
The fucked-up thing is that in 2020, there are still batshit insane people believing that some words are the problem and that some speech is wrong... because literally the child rapists (recognizable by the cross around their neck) said so.
What about the word "cunt", which is considered very derogatory in the U.S., but not so much in the U.K.? And what about other words, like Chink and Towelhead? You get where I'm going? There won't be an end once we start on this thread.
I go back to what I've always said: words are words. It's the meaning behind them that counts. If everyone stopped being triggered over words and worried about the context in which they were used, we should be able to have more civil conversations.
Without knowing much about the technology my assumption is the purpose for the 'AI' element of it is to bring some kind of linguistic and contextual awareness. So that maybe the systems behavior is able to consider the local culture, if the topic of discussion etc, and not just block a dictionary of "naughty words"
That said I think the whole idea of this pretty suspect
"on and off toggle for the "N-word." " The word 'NO' should never be printed or voiced as it is just way too negative and confrontational.
Actually that's basically what Japan already does. It's considered rude to say no to somebody there. It's really awkward (unless you're Japanese) because if any question isn't answered with a yes, then it's a no. For example if you go to a shoe store and ask if they have any purple shoes, and if they ask "what size?" then that means no, they don't have any. But if you stated what size you wanted anyways, they'll just keep asking more questions about what you want, beating around the bush forever until you f
The fact that the bar for what constitutes a nazi has been lowered to the point of being a trip hazard shows that we need to have many people sit down and look at a lot, and I mean a LOT of first-hand footage and photography of the holocaust.
even if a white man goes to china and is an extreme minority, its still cool to him. Its not about majority/minority, its about hating white men because humans all hate something, and white men are a convenient target.
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There's nothing dystopian about it at all. I value freedom of speech. Others don't. Let them choose to self-censor, let me choose not to, and we can all play the same game.
The alternative seems to be that they forcibly censor everyone so that the easily offended don't have to have their "innocence" threatened.
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This. As long as you can adjust the sliders, it's up to each individual person. Some people don't mind this stuff or like edgy trash talking. Let them do their thing, and the people that would be offended or hurt can use this tool.
Sorry, but I don't agree at all, as I can already see where this is going, especially with children that we will likely enforce some kind of draconian bullshit that forces them to accept presets, and do not have the freedom to access adjustment "sliders".
And the end result, will be a brand new set of "offensive" words. Can't use the old "N-word" because filters? Fine nagger. I won't then. See how easy that is to still offend and fool AI?
We ignorantly act like texting kids these days are really into eggplants, and haven't created their own language with emojis.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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> Lets all start using the word nagger in place of the other n-word and see how long it takes for nagger to be banned and then move to a new n-world.
People have already been fired over making the "OK sign" ... even though it was some low level guy with his hand out the window who wasn't even making the OK sign to begin with.
So... we already know how this plays out.
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So I can finally use the word s n i g g e r again. It is a particular kind of laugh and why the word is banned is beyond me. Although snagger sounds more like an association with sexual assault than a kind of laugh.
You joke but I saw someone censored and almost banned from a community for using that in normal context. It escalated when he [poster] tried diffusing the person who claimed it was racist explaining meaning which others backed but apparently it is bad because "it sounds racist", how can you argue with someone like that. An attempt at humour made it worse when he missed the python reference of being told "go away or I shall taunt you a second time". It was rather amusing but for the fact these people often
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This.
I don't play online games, but... Intel is starting with gaming, then moves onto X, then it's ubiquitous and without 'sliders' and unknown list of 'offensive words'. Also, screw everything that wants to listen to me in real time and feed some 'AI' and/or database I cannot opt out of that keeps my data indefinitely.
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Yes, and imagine the kind of people this will create. You think the PC is bad now (even academic complain they can't research freely)? Just try to conceive of what will happen if an entire generation grows up knowing this as the norm and resolving problems this way. Authoritarianism, here we come.
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Just try to conceive of what will happen if an entire generation grows up knowing this as the norm and resolving problems this way. Authoritarianism, here we come.
The most violently ignorant thing about this, is trying to convince the really stupid ones why they don't want this.
Because they do. They're actually THAT fucking stupid that they want it.
They're children, what's wrong with that? (Score:2, Insightful)
And that's before we ignore the entire "pipeline" aspect of modern radicalization. e.g. get kids used to hearing the N* word and when they encounter it online in the context of White Supremacy movements (of which there are many and they are surprisingly well funded) instead of the sense of mild revuls
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The only way to get kids to use a derogatory word faster than normalizing it, is to label it as a bad word they hadn't ought to use.
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Raise your hand if you would never have heard of Stonetoss if people didn't constantly whine about his generic political comic.
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kids are impressionable. I would not what my kid (assuming they weren't already grown) to constantly hear the N* word because they'll get in the habit of it. It risks normalizing the word in other contexts.
You are correct, but this isn't merely about the N* word.
There are only two genders.
Biological women, have an unfair disadvantage and should not be forced to compete with transgender athletes.
Please identify the verboten AI-crushing statement above that seeks to create a bad habit for children, as the young female student walks into biology class in the morning, and onto a sports field in the afternoon to go for a scholarship.
You're right. Kids are impressionable. This is why we now have an entire gen
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We ignorantly act like texting kids these days are really into eggplants, and haven't created their own language with emojis.
Wait, what’s an eggplant?
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Fine nagger. I won't then. See how easy that is to still offend and fool AI?
You didn't offend me, but you did annoy me [youtube.com]. I am amazed these videos are not censored.
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Hate speech isn't a thing. Speech is speech.
If someone chooses to be triggered, then someone can choose not to listen to it, and this AI provides a tool for them to do so.
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Really?
You're probably some Trump supporting white nationalist red neck retard, otherwise you'd understand that there is such a thing as trolls and extremely prejudiced people that know how to use words to hurt people.
Oh, I'm sorry, are you triggered.
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What are you going on about?
Of course I know trolls and biased people exist. I've seen quite a few of them telling me I'm going to hell at pride.
I still support their freedom to express their views, because I believe in pesky things called "rights".
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What a beautifully crafted strawman you created. Excellent work!
Whatever I may or may not think about people is irrelevant. Some people are okay with being exposed to certain kinds of speech, which includes hate speech. Some are not. It's up to you as an individual on what you want to be exposed to. What's not up to you is what others want to be exposed to.
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Agreed. By the same token, there is a difference between boycotting and cancel-culture. One gives the individual the choice whether or not to participate, the other seeks to take away everyone's choice because, you know, everyone else is too ignorant to do that on their own.
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Functionally what is the difference between cancel culture and a boycott? Like say you don't like things an actor said, what should you do to boycott but not cancel?
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Traditional boycott - "Such and such is whatever because, you really should not use their products or otherwise support them"
Cancel culture - "Such and such is whatever because, you really should not use their products or otherwise support them - and if you fail agree with me and participate in the boycott I am going organize a boycott against you too"
One carries an implied threat the third party the other doesn't.
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So for example if you wanted to boycott factories that use slave labour you wouldn't stop buying things made there on behalf of other companies, you just wouldn't do business with the factory yourself?
That doesn't seem very effective.
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I think the question is, is the activity related or not.
Example, Evil Mining co uses child labor to extract diamonds and exposes them to heavy metal poisoning.
So you boycott Evil Mining co. Its reasonable and fair to also boycott Bob's Jewelry Company if he won't stop using stones from Evil Co.
Its a bridge to far to freeze out Jim's Home Building because he bought his wife a ring from Bob's at one point. Maybe he did not know about the problems with Evil Co at the time, maybe he does not care, but his profe
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Its a bridge to far to freeze out Jim's Home Building because he bought his wife a ring from Bob's at one point.
Agreed, but what does this have to do with cancel culture? Can you give an example where someone only tangentially related has been cancelled without a good reason?
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A boycott is advocating for people not to do business with companies that use slave labor factories. Cancel culture is a mob backed by multi-billion dollar corporations
So which was Gina Carano not being invited back to play her character in The Mandalorian?
People advocated for people not to do business with her. But Disney is a multi-billion dollar corporation.
Are you saying that people should not have advocated to not do business with her because there was a danger that Disney would hear them and cancel her, or that other people would hear them and form a "mob"?
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And once again disingenuous and dishonest as always. Gina Carano had overwhelming support [archive.is] from the vast majority of actual people with 58% of Americans across all age groups, gender, and ethnicity voicing opposition. But it gets even better, when people were actually shown what she actually said for themselves that number skyrockets to a staggering 72%.
That's a full 14 point jump solely by showing people with their own two eyes what she was fired for. That's how dishonest you, and the rest of the woke mov
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Boycotts did that too. As in, we will stop buying your soft drink products until you stop investing in South Africa.
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Maybe the difference is that everyone ignores a boycott but cancel doesn't work unless everyone joins in? But really, there's no difference, except that some people like to point out that cancel is worse for some reason. Boycotts were not just "don't buy grapes", but they would actively get involved in pressuring companies to change their buying habits and the like (such as boycotting South Africa the push was to get companies to disinvest).
Maybe the difference here is that boycott is against products or
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A boycott is individual people choosing not to do business with a business. Cancel culture is an individual person having their entire life ruined, their entire family targetted for abuse and harassment, and potentially even being violently attacked often because of outright lies or absurd kafkaesque situations such as being physically present when someone ELSE said something [boston.com] or professors CONDEMNING racism while citing historical documents [google.com].
A boycott is saying I won't give money to Tencent. Cancel culture i
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I agree but depends on where this gets used. Its one thing to slap it on a video game, it would be another thing to bolt it on a web browser for example.
We probably don't need to have conversations about race while we are relaxing playing some game. It would be a shame if half the population blocks half the comments they see on a site like this. Yes yes of course its their right to do so, but you if you think people live in their little echo chambers now and talk past each other when they encounter any diff
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so that the easily offended don't have to have their "innocence" threatened.
Just to check, is this what you believe motivates the people who want to censor? And what do you mean by "innocence"? Do you think they might have other motives too? If so, what are they? If not, what leads you to believe this is the dominant motive?
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But if you're doing it to protect yourself from being offended, then it's only
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If the motivation for censorship isn't to protect oneself from being offended, then the only other possible motive is to squelch other people's viewpoints
Just to check, do you believe those two motives are really the only two possible motives?
Are you distinguishing ultimate motive vs proximal motive? Are you saying these are the only two ultimate motives, or the only two proximal motives?
And firmly puts you into the "evil" category in this debate (prioritizing your rights over the identical rights of others).
Are you making the claim that "squelch other people's viewpoints" is necessarily evil when it's the proximal motive, or when it's the ultimate motive, or both?
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No. I believe that they want things that make them feel bad to go away, and to have the world reshaped in their image of what it should be, through whatever means necessary. It's often done, though, with the *justification* of protecting the innocence of others, hence my reference to the term. "Think of the children", says the person who wishes to silence and police the language of others.
A tool that lets them put on virtual earmuffs is much preferable to that.
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I want a filter that turns all conversation online that I read into glowing complements of my skills and personality.
"Out of the way noob" becomes "You have mad skilz dood"
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This is exactly it. If YOU can't handle it, then YOU disable it for YOURSELF, YOU turn it off in YOUR settings, YOU YOU YOU. Don't like the gore in a game? YOU turn it off. Don't like skimpy outfits? YOU turn it off. Don't like swearing in books and comics? YOU deface it with a black marker in YOUR copy. And if YOU don't have that option, YOU are free to cry a river, build a bridge, and get YOUR ass over it.
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There's nothing dystopian about it at all. I value freedom of speech. Others don't. Let them choose to self-censor, let me choose not to, and we can all play the same game.
The alternative seems to be that they forcibly censor everyone so that the easily offended don't have to have their "innocence" threatened.
Sure. That sounds reasonable until a different AI bundles you into a "potential troublemakers' " group for turning off disfavored speech filters.
Re:Not dystopian (Score:4, Insightful)
The funny thing about free speech is that popular, "safe" speech needs little protection. It therefore can't be "abused", because the ability to use it is intrinsic to the concept of being free.
That's why when stormfront was taken offline, I literally reached out and offered to help get them back online, despite them thinking that I'm a "degenerate beaner faggot that's going to burn in the fiery pits of hell". If those assholes are free to speak, then I know that I'm free to speak, because nothing I ever say is going to rise to the level of their filth.
In other words, I certainly don't agree with what they say, but I will defend their right to say it.
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You are free to use your speech to speak out against those you feel are abusing free speech, that's literally how it works. By the way, you used your free speech to tell someone to kill himself. Driving someone to suicide has been held up as a crime in the past, meaning if he was to read this post and then snuff himself, you could very well be taken to court for it.
Also, saying "abusing free speech" is like saying "Stealing a free balloon" or "Loitering in your own house".
No racism for us please (Score:5, Interesting)
Also in before the Free Speech Warriors, this is meant to stop 12 year olds from shouting the N word while playing COD (or 8 year olds from doing the same on Roblox). That's the target market. Some parents would really like it if their kids don't have the use of racial slurs normalized in their everyday speech....
Oh, and before I forget, can we get the slider an "8-Chan" setting? Or would that be like Spinal Tap's "going to 11"?
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Some parents would really like it if their kids don't have the use of racial slurs normalized in their everyday speech....
Heaven forbid those parents actually do some parenting.
Intel & the companies won't care (Score:2)
Wont Work (Score:4, Insightful)
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But you know what would work: Whenever someone uses a naughty word, it enables auto-aim for everyone else (of course, only when aiming at the offending player). Simply make them into losers and the language will be instantly cleaned up.
/. Editors are baiting us with this headline (Score:5, Insightful)
Point is it's not dystopian, it's business, and the headline is calculated to bring out the free speech warriors and their hate clicks. You guys (and me) are being played for a few extra add impressions. For shame
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This isn't woke SJW companies driving it
Intel is a woke SJW company. By nature, anything that is subject to public popularity will be a woke SJW company. Consider this: People are watch intel employees to make sure they toe the line. Nobody is watching the no-name company that makes firmware for mid-end coffee makers. Nobody cares if the no-name firmware company is toeing the line or not, so they dont have to be woke. Intel has to be woke because people are watching and they think that silence is violence
Re:/. Editors are baiting us with this headline (Score:5, Insightful)
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Do you have a suggestion for a tech site that shoves politics into the correct sideslots instead of using it to try to enforce purity amongst the commentators?
A couple years ago, we saw the "net neutrality" thing happen. The FCC, under Trump's appointee, removed the net neutrality rules that had been put in place under Obama's appointee. I generally thought this was not a great thing, and different people obviously had different opinions. But you know what blew my mind?
Seeing every subforum on reddit tha
Re:/. Editors are baiting us with this headline (Score:5, Insightful)
To be honest, I'm not even sure it's possible any more. Once one understands Post Modernism and Critical Theory, it becomes entirely clear that those that adhere to it absolutely aspire to inject their politics into everything. Logic and reason are out the window. It's all about (control of) language and systems of oppression. Moneyed interests are more than willing to help push this and Reddit is the worst platform as it is extremely easy to manipulate. Though Twitter and YouTube aren't that far behind.
Stop caring about the useless internet points. You're being downvoted by bots that have a financial interest in the situation. Call out bullshit when you see it.
To be fair politics is everywhere and everything (Score:2, Insightful)
I don't object to politics (dear God, read my posts) what I object to is this kind of hate click baiting. The editor isn't trying to start a discussion, they're trying to start a flame war.
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To be fair politics is everywhere and everything
It pervades every single aspect of our lives.
what I object to is this kind of hate click baiting
I mean, you're not wrong but if you can't (or simply refuse to) see the progression of how we got here, I don't know what to tell you. Political flamewars are all that you're going get when you insist on making everything political. Slashdot needs clicks to survive, so do try to act surprised when the only thing left is disgusting political clickbait.
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Just had a quick look through your post history and was amused to see quite a few political posts :)
I agree there could be less of them on Slashdot. But the reason they post them is because we keep coming back to them so we can get all frothy about whatever that jerk who is wrong said.
The only solution is to avoid these threads like the plague until they get the point, and spend our time contributing to the threads that we want to see more of.
Sure, /. (Score:2)
As for reddit, it's very left wing, but not for the reasons you might think. Literal N@zis (spilling over from 4/8 chan and the various "kuns") were everywhere. Any forum that leaned right ended up kicking the right wingers off because they couldn't con
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Thank you, most of the purges on social media are from the, let's say "fascists" invading a space and the moderators or site owners having to take measures to bring the community back to some sort of normalcy. On reddit once they purged you could go to voat and see the hellscape a forum of only those purged users would be like and it was not pretty. They tend to ruin everything and as conservatives online seem to drift closer and closer to those types of folks they are going to get caught up in the net.
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Okay, but ... (Score:2)
Where's the setting for the word "like" from teenagers?
[ I, like, didn't see it. ]
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That's like, really deep dude!
Dystopia (Score:2)
That's the world we live in. (Score:2)
The moment you take away police protection, crime runs rampant and the area becomes unlivable. That's how humans are when surrounded by strangers or grouped together in significant numbers.
On the one hand, there are good people in the world. But there are far more assholes, and zero good kids (civil behavior must be learned and is a component of maturity, which kids don't have). Video game communities have plenty of assholes, and plenty of kids.
So, you do what you can without ruining everything for every
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Oh good (Score:3)
Hey random company, please protect me from all those nasty words out there!
Can't wait for Intel to blacklist competitor's names because AMD or NVIDIA is an acronym for something they say is distasteful.
Easier solution (Score:3)
There's an easier solution that works 100% of the time and that's already available in all games, for all platforms. It's called mute audio from other players.
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But that's hardly interactive, especially when playing online with people in other countries. Like, I would love to be able to chat for a minute about what's happening in Sweden right now. But game companies have found it's either all or nothing, and therefore we get nothing. Filtering opens up possibilities.
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Final Fantasy IX and XIV have hundreds of built-in words and sentences that are translated across all five supported languages. It's more than enough for interesting conversations.
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[Play] that [fun][key] [music] [White Mage]!
[I'm sorry] [I'm playing solo right now] [hands] [inside] [trousers]
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Sorry, no. (Score:2)
Sorry, you're no longer allowed to take responsibility for your (or your child's) environment. That's best left for governments and private corporations.
Society, has failed itself. (Score:2, Insightful)
* student enters the game chat *
"Man, can't wait to play some games after getting a 97% on my Biology test toda..."
(Audience O' Triggers) "How DARE you imply that there are only two genders! HATE SPEECH!! HAAAATE SPEEECH!! REEEE!"
Yeah, sometimes people can be real pieces of shit online.
And sometimes, society acts like a fucking moron.
Remember when... (Score:5, Insightful)
...freedom of speech wasn't just a clause that's massively rules-lawyered (mostly by the left, hilariously) insisting it only narrowly applies to government, and isn't say, a general premise that we all held sacred conceptually?
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Never was. Anyone with half a brain always understood that freedom of speech doesn't mean nobody has any control over their property or freedom of association.
Sticks and stones may break my bones... (Score:2)
...but words will get me a $multimillion settlement in a hate-speech lawsuit.
How are we ok with raising people to believe that they are so fragile that a word they don't like somehow scourges their soul forever?
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How does one validate this functionality (Score:3, Interesting)
This is a serious question, but can and will be interpreted as trolling.
How does one go about measuring the performance of this thing? Do you sit and monitor ordinary content on twitch or youtube or whatever and compare it to human moderators* or do you talk trash into it and measure the response to controlled input** and determine false alarm and false negative rates?
*aside from being slow, this will train the system to mimic the subjective interpretation of the human moderators. If that's the objective, then that's fine, but if those moderators are low-paid drones working off a rubric compiled by litigation-averse hr/pr types or by woke activists, then you've piled several problems at once into what you're designing for. The first being the skill and/or cultural competency of the human moderators and the second being the actual biases reflected in the rubric.
**if you're supplying controlled input, aside from selecting the input properly (see script writer bias above), how in the hell are you going to get people to drop the n-bomb into a microphone and/or on camera in the current political/social climate?
There was a story a while back about an MIT AI lab purging a database of labelled photos of things from the internet and urging all users to delete their copies too (classy /s) because the database came from empirical observations and data aggregation and had some naughty words and naughty pics in there.
Generating and curating a training database of nothing but naughty words is probably career suicide at this point if the woke jihadists demanding it be done suddenly realize the mechanics of what doing it actually means.
This is both a concern troll and a real concern. Woke types have demonstrated a pattern of eating their own on a whim. Why should anyone assume they can be trusted partners even if you agree with their crusade in either its most positive portrayal or if you're a willing sociopath co-opting the cause of justice to make a power play in the workplace or anywhere else?
Let's see how well it works. (Score:4, Insightful)
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Great experience (Score:2)
Some users will .all their and then up their . What complete and utter . Nerf that smurfin' Smurf.
This won't work, and here's why it won't: (Score:2, Interesting)
So what's going to happen here is that the people who want to evade the so-called 'AI' doing the word filtering will game the system in such a way as to make it useless -- or
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Mute. (Score:2)
It's always been my go-to when someone chooses to be an irritating dick online. Bleeping out bits of speech isn't going to cure the issue that they're trying to be offensive. It just reeks of a solution in search of a fixable problem, and latching onto something that it doesn't do well at.
In other news (Score:2)
Outrage grows against dystopian anti-punch body armor that allows one to visit a boxing rink with no risk of injury. Clearly, the goal is to stop people who wish to have fist fights with each other, not to protect those who do not want to participate.
Not a solution for SJW cancel culture (Score:2)
Anyone who complains about any tweets already has that option - unsubscribe/block, problem solved. Similar applies to other internet sources, nobody is forcing you to listen, and yet, herds of SJW's get online to fight. Unfortunately, those are people whose primary goal is silence others. Those people will never be a satisfied with "just use [whatever filter software] and YOU never have to worry about seeing offensive content ever again". They will never stop until NOBODY can possibly create what they consi
FFXI did one better, still failed. (Score:2)
Final.Fantasy 11 used to have a "chat" with a *whitelist*. Only A fixed word list was allowed.
People still said everything they wanted. They just used combinations of existing words and gave words new meanings.
The fucked-up thing is that in 2020, there are still batshit insane people believing that some words are the problem and that some speech is wrong... because literally the child rapists (recognizable by the cross around their neck) said so.
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"on and off toggle for the "N-word." " The word 'NO' should never be printed or voiced ...
Oh... I was thinking it was either for Nunes [wikipedia.org] or Nancy [wikipedia.org] ...
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What about the word "cunt", which is considered very derogatory in the U.S., but not so much in the U.K.? And what about other words, like Chink and Towelhead? You get where I'm going? There won't be an end once we start on this thread.
I go back to what I've always said: words are words. It's the meaning behind them that counts. If everyone stopped being triggered over words and worried about the context in which they were used, we should be able to have more civil conversations.
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Without knowing much about the technology my assumption is the purpose for the 'AI' element of it is to bring some kind of linguistic and contextual awareness. So that maybe the systems behavior is able to consider the local culture, if the topic of discussion etc, and not just block a dictionary of "naughty words"
That said I think the whole idea of this pretty suspect
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Re: I never want to see the word N-o (Score:2)
"on and off toggle for the "N-word." " The word 'NO' should never be printed or voiced as it is just way too negative and confrontational.
Actually that's basically what Japan already does. It's considered rude to say no to somebody there. It's really awkward (unless you're Japanese) because if any question isn't answered with a yes, then it's a no. For example if you go to a shoe store and ask if they have any purple shoes, and if they ask "what size?" then that means no, they don't have any. But if you stated what size you wanted anyways, they'll just keep asking more questions about what you want, beating around the bush forever until you f
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That's a load of bullshit, if you asked "Murasaki no kutsu wo motteimasu ka?" the answer would be "Motteimasen, gomennasai".
Re: I never want to see the word N-o (Score:2)
That's the most fucked-up end state of the euphemism treadmill that I've ever heard...
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The fact that the bar for what constitutes a nazi has been lowered to the point of being a trip hazard shows that we need to have many people sit down and look at a lot, and I mean a LOT of first-hand footage and photography of the holocaust.
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Re: N1GGER (Score:2)
I admire your optimism. Development of Slashdot ended more than a decade ago, half way through building the mobile version.
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