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Quake 3: Arena SDK--RELEASED!! 127

Posted by michael from the things-that-go-boom dept.
BigMeanBear writes "Finally the highly anticipated Quake 3 Source is available for mod makers to hack away at. Go get it and make some mods!" The id server seems to be overloaded right now, so you might try some other locations.
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Quake 3: Arena SDK--RELEASED!!

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  • Source release (Score:5)

    by DeadBeef ( 15 ) on Saturday January 15, 2000 @04:01AM (#1369628) Homepage
    It might be worth noting that this source release is not the complete source for Q3.

    This release contains the source for all of the 'interesting' parts of the code, the game logic, and anything that Carmack/id decided mod makers would find interesting.

    Alot of people have been confused by previous source releases in this way.
  • Hmmm, it seems that this file is not a zip file which I had at first assumed, from running strings on it, it contains the string "Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library" what's up with that?? Anyway, would it be against the licsensing terms for someone to post a tarball of the expanded source for us non-windowsy types?
  • You're talking about Quake 3, not the Quake 3 Game Logic Source Installer (which I'm assuming is InstallShield-based)... which Wine should be able to handle... :)

  • Couple of points... (Score:5)

    by CrusadeR ( 555 ) on Saturday January 15, 2000 @04:28AM (#1369631) Homepage
    1) This is a windows installer executable, and is faily useless on Linux... (although you may have some luck with Wine [winehq.com]

    2) Unlike Q2's compiled .dll's, which were platform dependent, Q3A's game logic source (note: that's all this source release is, not a full rendering/network engine source release) projects can be distributed as .qvm's, which are psuedo-C files parsed at run-time by Q3A's virtual machine, and thus can be run by Linux, Mac, or Win32 Q3A without any problems.
  • Heh like that'll be hard, just uncomment/enable all the grapple code thats already in there. And there you go Q3A Grapple 1.0 ;]
  • Ok this is a good thing. However has anyone had any luck making and runnign debugging dlls with MSVC 5.0? I can make and run .qvm's perfectly however I cannot make Q3A find any dll's, anyone worked out how to do this yet?

  • [OT] Q3 windows disc in Linux (Score:3)

    by Kev Vance ( 833 ) <kvance@kvance . c om> on Saturday January 15, 2000 @06:59AM (#1369634) Homepage

    I dunno how many other people this happened to but I might be helping someone... I got the gift of Q3:A for christmas this year, however it was for the Windows platform. I assumed that Q3 would be distributed like Q2 -- you could get binaries for the other platforms off id's ftp, but this wasn't so. That was a problem since I could never get my G200's OpenGL to work on Win98, but it flies under Linux.

    Then I found this shell script someone posted on the loki newsgroup: it allows you to use the data off your CD with the linux Q3Demo 1.1 executable. It sets a couple breakpoints and modifies some stuff in memory. Posted at: http://www.linuxstart.com/~kva nce/software/q3full.sh [linuxstart.com]

    Nifty, eh?
  • Well, I think I saw this bit of news on Blue's News, but I wouldn't take it as much more than rumor atm.

    As I understand it, TF2 is using a heavily modified version of the HL engine (to add some new skeletal animation system, forget the name), and HL2 is going to use a modified version of the TF2 engine. No rewrite for the Q3, just an updated version of their heavily modified Q2 engine...

    But hey, I could be wrong, it has happened before =)

    Ferat
  • Ummm, q3 for linux has been out for several months now.
  • I like the idea of source code being released with games. I remember playing Doom when it first came out and it really changed my computer habits. They just keep getting better and mutate into thiings like doom-sysadmin. Source code will immortalize the traditional fun and allow it to evolve until the universe collapses.
  • Somehow I have this cynical humor that says "YES!!!!!! OHHHHHH HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE YES MAKE A COLUMBINE LEVEL PLEASE!@#@#!#!@@#!" I even thought of an idea of reenacting the Columbine videos in Quake 2 using text dialog, record'ing it like a demo (it'd take 3 players, obviously). So this is right along my lines. All I have to say is: SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE A CHS MAP! Quake 2 as well if it's even possible... since my system resources don't dictate Quake 3-ish gameplay yet :)
  • $50 is a bit much in my book to cast a 'vote' to help some dawdling game company executives decide who to swindle next and how. Let 'em look at Loki's sales figures. If they don't want to jump in, they don't have to. Things are moving along just fine without Mr. Carmack's thoughtful request that we pay full price for 2 separate versions of the same game. Almost everyone will have bought the Windows version of the game already. Lusers and Wusers alike. Lusers are supposed to buy it again as a 'show of support'. Go ahead...*you* first!

    Kick ass game, by the way, but I really miss the original 'dungeon hacking' gaming elements of Classic Quake. Romero's influence is sorely missed.



  • CRT the author of Rocket Arena isn't too happy with this source release, stating that it's even inferor to the Q2 SDK and threatening id that if they don't straighten it out there won't be a Rocket Arena 3...
  • I purchased the Linux version, and don't appreciate having to degrade myself by running a "No CD" crack to use a program that I paid good money for. It would be nice if the would allow us to use our CD-keys from Linux. BTW: Does the Windows version of Q3A look bad (compared to Linux) to anyone else ?

  • Yes, i've compiled it under lcc on linux. The Q3asm.exe binary will work under wine, but you'll need to rewrite all of the batch files as shell scripts.


  • Right, it's not the full Quake 3 source.

    Think about the difference between package-devel.rpm and not package-src.rpm
    ________________________________
  • Or, if you really want Team Fortress, goto www.q3fortree.com [q3fortree.com] They actually plan on making q3tf nearly identical to the original tf rather than the hack job that was done with TFC.
  • Or, if you really want Team Fortress, goto www.q3fortress.com [q3fortress.com] They actually plan on making q3tf nearly identical to the original tf rather than the hack job that was done with TFC.
  • First, I have nothing to do with q3fortress. But a couple of points. TFC sucks. It is a hack to try and get TF on halflife. Emulating that mod will alianate the TF community (believe me, I would know). Second, you are so far ahead because (from your screenshots) most of what you've done is just hack skins for models already in q3. q3fortress has new models and gameplay that is going to be near identical to qwtf. Using standard models with new skins and claiming you're further ahead (especially with TFC style gameplay) is *not* going to win you the tf community.

    (To see more of q3fortress, goto www.q3fortress.com [q3fortress.com])

  • The SDK helps with the coding of aimbots. Cheats were present BEFORE the code release of quake 1. The code release only made it easier to write bots and other client side cheats.

    The release of the SDK for Q3A will eventually lead to aimbots (not like I don't get flamed/kicked enough already for "being" a bot...)

    So, yes, you can cheat without the full source code. The real trouble is that there are far fewer cheaters out there than most people think, and if you know how the bots work the real cheaters are pretty easy to identify.

    Clarification of the issue is avalible here. [planetquake.com]
  • I am pritty sure I will have the first mod out. grapling hook... of course... Do I get a cookie? Oreo... if you please. ;] PimpSmurf
  • Okay, bad news for you unfortunatly. They are not planning on releasing binaries, because they want proper sales figures on who is buying what.
    Here is my (kinda) solution... Borrow a Win32 friends (You do admit publicly that you have friends like this? :)) install CD and use that. Or do a babbages return.

    As for playing under linux w/ a TNT/2/Ge... Dunno. NVidia is now funding someone to work on it, but I'd give XFree86 3.9.blah a try. Has anyone done this? I'd love to hear.
  • Thats just too cool. I figured someone would hack something like this together.
  • No, I think he's talking about just buying the game, not running the mods.
  • No, I got mine pre-ordered from lokisoft. Go to any electronics boutique, they should have it, or go here. [lokigames.com]

    Aside note, anyone know if you can download the windows binaries anywhere? (ducks)

    No, seriously. Since I had to take my Voodoo2 out of my system to make room for a SCSI adapter, I can't play Q3A on my TNT2 under linux, tho the demo under Win32 works ok. I had heard that you would be able to download the binaries for Linux or Win32 or Mac if you had bought the retail CD (kinda like how it worked for Q2 - you could buy Win32 CD then download the Linux Binaries)

    I just want to be able to play it until the 3D support for TNT2 gets better under XF86.

    (ok, flame if you must, but if you have an actual solution to let me play Q3A under Linux with my nVidia card, that would be more productive) :-)


  • OH, and this from their site:

    Quake III Arena for Linux will also be available in retail stores in the US and abroad. We anticipate US retail availability beginning December 27th, 1999, with other locations soon after.


  • Gosh what an insightful counter-argument! I'll have to remember that next time _I'm_ confronted with a well though-out argument! Just a single, simple name-calling response! Pure genius! Your kindegarden teacher must be so proud!

    (I got the karma to spare, what the hell)
  • ooooh! Wow, you sure proved your superior intelect, Mr Webster! :-p

  • I would invite you to grow up but then you would be deprived of being able to shout 'MORON' to anyone who has an opinion that is different than yours without ever having to back it up with logic and facts.

  • er, sorry if I confused one well-meaning AC with another AC, just a lot of screaming anout 'morons', ya know? BTW, WTF were we talking about anyway? Oh, yeah - Someone said Q3 sucked, someone said it didn't and a virtual stream of intelect ensued. Sheesh.
  • Read above, not all of the source was released. I would presume that you are not to reverse engineer binaries for which source was not released.
  • and you think you'll have MORE free time after college? ROTFL!!
  • You can order it here. [lokigames.com]

    Sendy
  • First off, I just wanted to say that making a CHS q3a level is stupid and sick. More importantly, you didn't need the q3a SDK to make that. Q3Radient does maps, and you sure could make a high school with q3radient...

    Just wanted to make that point.

    -PovRayMan

  • Mirror for the game source (Score:3)

    by PovRayMan ( 31900 ) on Saturday January 15, 2000 @04:34AM (#1369663) Homepage
    Hey, I do stuff for 3d Shooters [3d-shooters.com] and we mirrored the game source here [3d-shooters.com]. Our main site will open up today or tommorow. Sorry for this bad spamming of our site, but at least you get a mirror :)

    -PovRayMan
  • You can find the source here: http://www.opticalvalley.com/f iles/Q3AGameSource.exe [opticalvalley.com]

    Have fun!

    -Chris
  • I paid for the OSS drivers too. Yesterday, I noticed this on the LinuxGames site:


    Aureal Driver Update - Updated by Crusader

    Matus Telgarsky wrote in to note that Dave Tabb forwarded an e-mail from Aureal to the ALSA development mailing list which states the open-source Linux Vortex drivers Aureal had previously promised will be available within two months:

    Look for the release of Linux drivers in the next two months at our website for download.


    Regards, Aureal Tech Support



    This should be interesting.
  • I bought mine at Fry's on Dec. 24. Nice tin box, too. You can order it direct from Loki, also.

    As to running it on windows, grab the point release! It has been out for a day or two now. Copy the .pk3 file from the CD to your windows machine, install the point release executable, and go frag. (I did something similar to that but not -excatly- that so no promises.)

    Code is garbage in garbage out.
    Languge is garbage in, non-sequitor out.
  • There's a Windoes (sic) executable available for download at the usual places (fileplanet, cdrom, id -- if you can get to it). It is the "Jan1300" point release, and has some useful bugfixes. It also means those of us that bought the Linux version can now run it on Windoes (if we must, and I -must-).

    Note: it is only available for Windoes at the moment. There is what looks like a beta of the Mac version -- not sure about that -- but nothing for Linux yet.

    Code is garbage in garbage out.
    Languge is garbage in, non-sequitor out.
  • My Linux CD key works fine on my Windows machine. Be sure you use lower-case characters when you enter the key and don't run both versions of Q3A at the same time.

    Code is garbage in garbage out.
    Languge is garbage in, non-sequitor out.
  • I have not run *this* install program, but I have noticed that many times InstallShield programs (under WINE) fail their own checksums and report a corrupted binary. That can really suck.

    -----------

    "You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."

  • Silly license (Score:3)

    by Inspector ( 38755 ) on Saturday January 15, 2000 @10:17AM (#1369670)
    OK, so I got the source, and as usual there was a long convoluted license. Fine, but what's really funny is the fact that they left these lines in the license:

    f. disassemble, reverse engineer, decompile, modify (except as permitted by Section 3. hereinbelow) or alter the Software;
    g. translate the Software;
    h. reproduce or copy the Software (except as permitted by section 3. hereinbelow);
    i. publicly display the Software;
    j. prepare or develop derivative works based upon the Software;

    Um, catch me if I'm wrong but f, g, are redundant; you can't decompile source code :)
  • From Q3 Tool Guy Robert Duffy's .plan [shugashack.com]:
    The tool source and video compressor will be out next week. This will include source q3data, q3map, q3asm, q3radiant, our version of lcc and the executable for the video compressor.
    Looks like fun... :)

    -Warren
  • Using VC++5.0 I got the dll to build with only a couple of warnings. I was unable to get the exe to load the dll however.

    From what a previous poster said though that is probably just a matter of it being in the wrong dir.
  • Has anyone made a tarball of this stuff?
  • CRT the author of Rocket Arena isn't too happy with this source release, stating that it's even inferor to the Q2 SDK and threatening id that if they don't straighten it out there won't be a Rocket Arena 3...

    OMG, he's threatening id! How will id ever live through the tongue lashing of a wannabe programmer? How can Q3A ever be successful if CRT doesn't make Rocket Arena 3, which any coder with half a brain could make?

    I'm constantly amused and disgusted by the power trips some gamers and mod makers get when they make a name for themselves. id Software has put out a game that outperforms any other shooter I've seen with stunning graphics, tried to allow people to make any mod they want, and CRT is bitching because the features he wants aren't available right now. Well, boohoo. I have no sympathy for this kind of idiocy, and I hope someone else beats CRT to making Rocket Arena 3 while he mopes around and whines.

  • Could you give a code example about how you did the fission bit? I've tried calling the grendade fire function from the think function, and I can get the first explosion to spawn a 'nade, but that 'nade's explosion sends me back to the menu.
  • So where'd you download it?

    I mean, the same form type letter in two different topics that are almost entirely irrleleveant...

    Sorry, but I had to knock your last one down a notch...
  • Can you say "click through license agreament"?
  • Ha. Linux supports your sound card, but you gotta pay $30 for the privilige.
    If this doesn't suit you, hack your own.
    The ALSA team has been trying to get specs for this card, but Aureal isn't willing to release anything, so this is the vendors fault.

    There are only 2 out of the many sound cards out that don't have support, and you ended up with one of them. For that you are unlucky, but I don't think that makes Linux a bad gaming OS..

    However, the 3d accelerator support question is a valid one, as less then half of the decent graphics cards out there have good Linux suppirt..
    On the other hand, the Voodoo 2 I bought ~ 2 years ago has served me very well. Linux is ready if you can build your own hardware.
  • They are planning on releasing binaries, probably sometime next month (though the time frame is not certain, they originaly said it would be around the first point release.. Oh wait, that's now..)
  • Yeah, well ... Right now I have 4 classes, and the resulting work takes up about 16 hours a day. (goodie, 2 hours of fun and 6 hours of sleep).

    The two internships I worked over the summer I generally had a bit more than 2 hours to myself in the evenings ;).
  • Actually, the way the program is layed out it is rather simple to do. I really have to admire the way they designed everything.

    The gernade launcher for instance. There is a function called when you click the mouse button to fire a gernade. This in turn calls "fire_grenade" with some parameters.

    The fire grenade routine creates a new item and fills out all of the fun fields in the data structure. There you can change the velocity, or the way the item falls, etc. In that structure you can also set a time which will call a "think" function. The "think" function can change the data structure, make new entities, blow up the items, make a 100 new ones going every which way... whatever. :)

    The only problem is that I won't have time to REALLY play with it for about 4 months :(...I'm currently in my last semester of college..bleh, I want that sheet of paper already ;).

  • Fun fun fun! (summary of various discoveries :) (Score:3)

    by Keeper ( 56691 ) on Saturday January 15, 2000 @09:53PM (#1369683)
    I've never looked at the "sdk"'s for other versions of quake, so trolling through this was a rather interesting experience.

    First Discovery: I wish I could code that well. :)

    Second Discovery: The BFG and Plasma rifle shots DO travel at the same velocity.

    Third Discovery: The rail gun is an "insta-hit" weapon.

    Fourth Discovery: Increasing rocket velocity to 20000 (from 900) makes a rocket launcher the equivilent to a rail gun with splash damage.

    Fifth Discovery: Bouncing rockets are cool but useless.

    Sixth Discovery: Changing the way a rocket handles in midflight confuses the client prediction (unless you fix the client too)

    Seventh Discovery: It is far easier to make a random vector and normalize it than it is to try to get a series of vectors to form in a circular fashion.

    Eigth Discovery: A gernade that explodes into 10 new gernades looks cool.

    Ninth Discovery: Quake doesn't like it when you try to blow up a grenade who's "owner" (ie: the person who launched it) is a gernade who blew up 10 seconds ago.

    Tenth Discovery: A gernade that explodes into 100 new gernades is the Quake equivilent of a nuclear bomb.

    Eleventh Discovery: It takes 2.3 seconds for 10 grenades spawning 10 grenades spawning 10 grenades etc to make the game go back to the main menu. (yes, we did this on purpose)

    Twelth Discovery: It is possible to get a chain of grenades to go on for about 3 minutes...This would be the quake equivilent of nuclear fission.

    Thirteenth Discovery: Accuracy awards are given.

    Fourteenth Discovery: Replicating gernades make it easy to get accuracy ratings exceeding 1000% (1128% in this case).

    No, I didn't mess with much other than the weapons (it's really the only thing you can play with while having no objective in mind, yet being able to see results instantly). Though I did confirm my suspicions that sometimes the bots decide to suicide themselves...:)

    ....and now it's time for bed (I've run out of Dew).
  • If you read John Carmack's .plan from 11/17/99, [http]he notes this and says that:
    THE EXECUTABLES FOR ALL PLATFORMS WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD UNTIL AFTER CHRISTMAS. This means that if you want to play on the mac or linux, don't pick up a copy of the pc version and expect to download the other executables.
    and his reasoning is:
    We are doing this at the request of the distributors. The fear is that everyone will just grab a windows version, and the separate boxes will be ignored. A lot of companies are going to be watching the sales figures for the mac and linux versions of Q3 to see if the platforms are actually worth supporting. If everyone bought a windows version and the other boxes sold like crap in comparison, that would be plenty of evidence for most executives to can any cross platform development.
    I think that is a very cool reason, it will help to push Linux more into the gaming mainstream. And this directly refer's to your message/problem/comment.
    I know there are a lot of people that play in both windows and linux, and this may be a bit of an inconvenience in the short term, but this is an ideal time to cast a vote as a consumer.

  • Re:tarball (Score:3)

    by Dr_Claw ( 68208 ) on Saturday January 15, 2000 @08:01AM (#1369685) Homepage Journal

    I emailed Robert Duffy [mailto] at id and asked about repackaging the source into a tarball/zip for those without Windows or Wine. He replied saying:

    Zoid will be releasing Linux based stuff soon.

    So hold out people. :)

  • Yes, you can install this under WINE, and even run the executables under WINE (if your WINE is of a recent enough vintage). The only problem is that the C code in the package is for the point release. Since the Linux version of the point release isn't out yet, you can't try new versions of the mod out on a Linux box (yet)..
  • Haven't tried it with MSVC5.0 but the readme does say that it requires MSVC6.??, I haven't looked at it closely enough yet to see why, but I think that if it would be able to run with VC5, they would have said that.

    -FGP
  • It would be logical to release the things that interest mod authors. After all, the purpose of the SDK is to enable them to write mods :P
  • TFC Purists? im a TF purist.. not a TFC purist, will i like it also? because i couldnt stand tfc, it seemed so cheap compared to the original, and looks half-done. something that feels like TF will win my vote..

  • Installer works fine under wine (Score:4)

    by spathi ( 71221 ) on Saturday January 15, 2000 @05:57AM (#1369690) Homepage
    Ok, i just ran the installer under wine, it worked fine, i used the latest release, you can grab it from here [winehq.com]
  • Hopefully this will mean some more ctf levels. One can really get sick of playing the same ones over and over again- why did they only put four ctf levels in the game?
    And why do they have to be so symmetric? I liked the levels in q1 and q2 for ctf because they were asymmetric and each round offered a different strategic advantage for the teams. Its not embarassing to lose, because you might get the nicer base on the next level...
    Does anyone know of a site where you can find all the commands for q3?
  • ACtually, people have already been working on the models for Quake 3 Team Fortress already. The original [teamfortress.com] was a huge hit as a mod for Quake 1. You can choose 8 classes, each with their own strengths and weaknesses. It made Quake 1 a real team player game. If you did not work as a team, you lost.

    THe website for the Q3 Team Fortress project is here [q3fortress.com]

    I Still prefer player Quake Team FOrtress over Q3Arena currently :)

  • crt (maker of Rocket Arena) posted on his site [planetquake.com] that Q3A only finds .dll's in the root Q3A directory.
  • You got to love these people. They've completly changed the way games are published and how gamers interac with the software...


    I bet the 1st 100 mods will be for a grappling hook.


  • Yay for id, for not barring the release of the SDK because of their problem with the "cheat" mods in the Q1 source. It is inevitable, however, that someone out there will code-in cheats and the like but at least a lot more good will be done than bad from this release!
  • No, valve licensed the Quake 2 engine for Half-Life
  • This is by far the coolest mod for Quake 3 I've seen: Dark Gift [quake3mods.net] is based on John Carpenter's Vampires, and is quite ambitous. They plan on modding it to be a super-realistic gaming experience (if you get shot in the leg, not only do you lose health but you're also kissing the ground) and looks like an awesome idea. Deffinately a mod I'll be waiting patiently to be released!
  • Just thought I'd put my two cents in, and hope a moderator comes back and re-moderates the article I'm posting in reply to. Just think about it, First post = redundant??? I don't think so. It's quite obviously not a troll, and doesn't deserved to be marked down. Anyway, I used all my points yesterday, or would take care of this, but if you've got any left, and don't mind wasting one on an unfairly moderated post, then I will appreciate it. Thanks.

  • Umm... actually Q3A comes with native grappling hook support.... sorry. -Erik L. Elmore
  • The REAL TFC conversion project for Q3A is at http://teamassault.thefortress.org/ [thefortress.org] Sorry for the confusion. This mod should cater to both TFC purists and those looking for the new and improved. -Erik L. Elmore
  • We have THE difinitive new TFC conversion. This mod will feature everything to have all the TFC purists creaming in their pants. We've been working on models, skins, sounds, and maps already. Now that the SDK is out, it wont be long before we will be playing TFC in the Q3 engine! Anywayz, heres the URL:

    http://teamassault.thefortress.org [thefortress.org]

    g eez we are so much furthur along than q3fortress (get off your asses!)

    -Erik L. Elmore
  • I don't think I've ever been able to get into id's server. Does it make sense to give a link to it right on the main page so people can check if it's available with a single easy click, just raping it more?

    Just my $.02.

  • Thanks for the link. Team Fortress initiated me into online multiplayer gaming. Truly an awesome game. Have you ever played Starsiege Tribes? The gameplay is awesome. The engine isn't as good as Quake's but it does outdoor environment's fairly well.
  • Will Valve be using the Quake III engine? Lets hope we don't have to wait too long, and I'm sure it's gonna be great.
  • Check out Weapons Factory for Quake 2. To hell with Half Life.
  • Now I have a good reason to keep Q3.. but how long will it take for mod designers to create something worth playing over and over again? Will we wind up with a sleuth full of useless crap mods, and a few great ones? I would really like to see Counter-Strike (which was for Half-Life...) in the Q3 engine.

  • Look out for the Classic CTF mod (Score:5)

    by [TWD]insomnia ( 125505 ) on Saturday January 15, 2000 @07:57AM (#1369707)

    If you still think that the current Q3A CTF lacks, you may be happy to know that there's a group working on Classic CTF (http://www.quake3mods.net/cctf [quake3mods.net]).

    The group is formed to bring back the best elements of Q1CTF and Q2CTF - including the missed grappling hook and techs! Here are some of the stuff that should make it in the Classic CTF mod (taken from their website):

    Map remakes:
    McKinley Base
    Stronghold Opposition
    Smelter
    Da Ancient Wargrounds
    Two Towers

    The runes/techs:
    Auto-Doc, Power Amp, Resist, Haste

    Items:
    The Grapple!
    Ammo Boxes Skins (just like Quake 1/2)
    Green Armor (25% armor)
    A new model for the lightning gun. Discharging in water will be put in too.
    The Super Nailgun is back!
    New team skins to use instead of the standard ones that came with Quake 3.

    Misc:
    The HUD will be remade to provide the best possible information.
    Dropping weapons, runes, and enemy flag will be possible.
    Regeneration and Haste will be disabled since there are techs to do that.
    New textures.
    New sounds for the flag sounds and the runes sounds.
    The flight powerup will have a special effect.
    Flags will have a new model/skin for them.
    New player models.

    This is the CTF I've been waiting for! Not some crap Zoid wanted to do because 'q2ctf is not the CTF I wanted to do, and I do q3ctf like I want because it's what I want to play'. Argh. Well if that's what "listening to the gaming community", I think this has just NOT been respected. Also, as it turns out, almost all the q2ctf community wants q2ctf back in Q3A, and even q1ctf!

    (I must point the fact, though, that the q2ctf competition in OGL [http://www.ogl.org [ogl.org], almost always down for some reason] is getting non-existant as days goes. They are moving to Q3A for the gameplay issue, certainly - Quake 2 just plays like crap compared to the best gameplay I have ever seen in Q3A.)

  • Quake3 already has a grappling hook.

    Its just not present in any of the shipped maps, and its a pickup object, like a gun, not like the grapple in Q2CTF or Lithium.

  • Is there any releasedate set to when Q3 will be released for Linux? If i'll make mod's I wouldn't make 'em for Windows! :)
  • The Aureal Vortex 2 chipset isn't supported, correct. Yes that does suck, I have a Diamond Monster MX300 and a Sound Blaster AWE32 in the same machine (one for win, one for lin). It's really the fault of Aureal that there is no free linux support because Aureal will not support the ALSA project.

    http://www.alsa-project.org/~goemon/
  • Well, the source is out but i wish they had given us some stuff about the overall functioning of the game. I've seen various tutorials around mostly about c for beginners, but i would really be glad to see one about how the whole thing works. More theoretical info is what i want . Any suggestions for reading ?
  • I wen't looking to the main site of quake3. Quake III Arena Demo for Linux Released - Dec.15.1999 The official Quake III Arena demo for Linux is now available at http://www.quake3arena.com/demo. [quake3arena.com] and that whas the only thing i founded about quake 3 in linux.... so i guess you need to wait...
  • You can't use Wine to startup QIII i already tested it... but it didn't worked out... i have tested it with also a 3dfx voodoo but still no results... so the conclusion is that Wine wi'll not work with it
  • I agree, it's not easy to setup and configure the stuff it's pretty frustrating... but it's a pretty good game. and i am sure the people wi'll create a mutch easyer config and installation for quake....

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