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Tribes Franchise Quietly Strangled 105

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Gavin Manley writes "Back in October last year, the third game in the Tribes series of first person shooters was released, published by Vivendi Universal Games (VUG). After many years of waiting and frustration, VU once again disappoints, not only by missing their market for the game again but by simply cancelling support for the game." From the article: "Now not only does this have consequences for Tribes fans, but fans of other franchises need to be worried. SWAT 4 in particular. The next SWAT game is also being produced by Irrational Games (no doubt on an equally dismal budget) and published by our good friends at VUG."
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  • Let's face it.. Tribes 1 was awesome. Tribes 2, better but kind of "eh". Tribes 3.. terrible.

    You make a crappy game, no one's going to buy it, and no one's going to care when support is pulled.

    Just my two cents..
    • Very true, I seem to remmeber a very amusing penny arcade, very simialr to that post, it was about tribes 3, and featured three frames. In the first frame there was a man squeezing a stone crying out that there was "no blood in this stone!". The second frame contained a well, with the caption "there's no water in this well". the final frame contained a horse and a man with a flogigng stick and the speech "I just love beating this dead horse". I cannot remember the name and therefore connot provide a URL and
    • tribes 3 wasn't that bad as.

      but I can't see why would you NEED support with tribes 3, I had zero issues with it(I don't think network play is dependandt on them either so...).
      • Did you try driving the ATV thing? Every time I drove it, it jerked around like crazy. Not so much motion, as it teleported.

        Anyone else I saw driving it, it moved normally.

        T3 just seemed really slow paced compared to T2.
    • i've been a hardcore tribes fan since the beginning, and in my opinion tribes 3 is the best tribes yet, as well as one of the most underappreciated games of all time. everybody hears that sales have been crappy and assume that it sucks, but that's not the case at all. tribes 3 definitely is a departure from earlier tribes games, but most of the changes are for the better.

      --learning to ski is much simpler and more refined.
      --the single player game gives noobs a chance to practice their skills before they get
    • IMHO, Tribes 2 was shit before the "Classic Patch". For those who are unaware, this patch returned the gameplay elements from the original Tribes to Tribes 2.

      I didn't buy Tribes 2 until after they released the patch. A buddy of mine had it and I tried it, thought it was poop so I never bought it. After the Classic Patch, another friend showed me and it was like the magic was back.

      LK
  • Tribes 1 was fun until every server became one of those infinite ammo, shoot a billion rounds a second, every bullet explodes kind of games. I had a blast playing when you had to actually aim and it was actually kind of hard to kill people. I stopped playing when every time you fired you created a small nuclear war. Never even bought tribes 2.

    If there still are servers on Tribes 1 that maintain original game play, or even use just a few of the cool addons (not nuclear chain gun ones) let me know.
    • Just make sure that the server you join is playing "base" and nothing else, and you should be okay. If Tribes 1 is anything like it was a year or two ago, it's not hard to find a base server. Just be aware that the only people still playing Tribes are probably going to completely stomp you. After playing the game for years on end, their Tribes 1 skills have been honed to perfection.

  • This is a shame. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Gothic_Walrus ( 692125 ) on Friday March 25, 2005 @10:39AM (#12046248) Journal
    Seeing a series die out like this is never good, especially when it's been one that was as good as the Tribes games were.

    Here, it seems worse because they'd actually made at least one big gesture to the community before. Releasing Tribes and Tribes 2 for free may have been for publicity more than anything else, but it was a great decision regardless, and one that bought them some respect from me.

    Shame they've just lost that.

  • In Response To This News... (Score:5, Funny)

    by jmole ( 696805 ) on Friday March 25, 2005 @10:45AM (#12046304)
    * Presses 'V' *
    * Presses 'G' *
    * Presses 'S' *

    jmole: Shazbot!

  • They never listened to their base (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward
    The true hard core fans of Tribes 1 were very vocal in what they wanted and asked for it in simple terms. Take Tribes 1 and build on it, making the sequels almost the same but with better graphics and new maps. Instead the developers made completely different games each time. Why? The original game was fun beyond all belief. I fail to understand why you take something that is proven to be enjoyable by all and change it, hoping that people will like something else when you've already got them hooked.

    It was
    • Let this be a warning to any other game studio that thinks it would be a bright idea to package a "different game" as a sequel to another game with the same name. You will kill your fan base.

      Yeah, especially you, Nintendo! Zelda and Mario could have been so popular but no, you had to make Super Mario Bros. 2 and Link's Adventure!

    • Tribes could have been a very strong title to this day had they simply followed the example that ID put forward with Quake I/III or the Doom series.

      An interesting choice of examples. However, are you saying Quake III: Arena was "almost the same" as Quake? The three Quake games couldn't be more unalike. The first one was a mishmash FPS with no plot, the second had the Strogg plot, and the third was multiplayer only with no plot. Hell, all people did with Quake II was bitch that it wasn't enough like Quake.

  • Not the first time... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by NetDanzr ( 619387 ) on Friday March 25, 2005 @10:51AM (#12046367)
    VUG aren't the first to cancel support for a game. I still remember the disastrous Might and Magic IX, which was released as an incredibly buggy POS. The publisher, 3DO, has promptly released a patch that increased the gameplay from 30 minutes to 2 hours before encountering the first game killing bug. They then officially abandoned support for the game, while continuing to sell it for $29.99. It ended up being just another drop in the bucket that sunk the company at the end. Let's hope VUG feels the pinch from mmaking money of unsupported software as well...

  • aah (Score:5, Insightful)

    by j0nb0y ( 107699 ) <(jonboy300) (at) (yahoo.com)> on Friday March 25, 2005 @10:52AM (#12046375) Homepage
    aah, nothing quite like seeing a good game series destroyed by a publisher that cares about nothing but profit. Everyone remember the tribes 2 fiasco? It went something like this:

    Dynamix: Tribes 2 isn't ready, we need to delay it.
    Vivendi: Release the game now.
    Dynamix: It's not ready.
    Vivendi: We don't care, release the game now.
    Dynamix: Okay.

    Vivendi: This game sucks. No ones buying it, and those who did are returning it.
    Dynamix: We told you the game wasn't ready.
    Vivendi: You're fired.

    Aah, what a brilliant and refreshing management strategy. Is anyone really surprised that tribes 3 was a dismal failure?
    • This seems to be spreading awefully fast. Even my two-bit company's administration has an attitude like this.

      Here's a good example that people still talk about today: Bungie, Microsoft, and Halo 2:

      Bungie: Halo 2 is really starting to pick up on progress, and we're starting to implement things that we didn't even have on the drawing board last year. Give us some more time, and we'll deliver one hell of a game.
      Microsoft: Release the game now.
      Bungie: But its not even ready.
      Microsoft: We need something

    • Re:aah (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Schnapple ( 262314 ) <tomkidd@gmail . c om> on Friday March 25, 2005 @04:33PM (#12049406) Homepage
      You got it wrong.

      Dynamix: Tribes 2 isn't ready, we need to delay it.
      Vivendi: Release the game now.
      Dynamix: It's not ready.
      Vivendi: When will it be ready?
      Dynamix: Six months from now.
      Vivendi: You said that six months ago. And six months before that. And six months before that. We've missed two Christmas seasons now and sunk umpteen million dollars into this game. You told us it would be our next Half-Life. We told you that was great since those fuckers from Valve won't even return our phone calls. Now would you please finish the function you're working on and give us the fucking thing? You can keep working, we'll call it a patch. Oh, and please for your sake hope that you get that patch right the first time.

      (later)

      Vivendi: This game sucks. No ones buying it, and those who did are returning it.
      Dynamix: We told you the game wasn't ready.
      Vivendi: And WE told YOU that the game was supposed to be ready over a year and a half ago when you said it would be. No one's buying the game since you guys can't even patch, let alone code. Oh, and great idea taking a game which people were seriously hardcore about and changing or removing everything they liked. Did any of you ever even test this thing on XP? And don't give me the excuse of "the lead programmers left". Now we're going to be lucky to break even on this, we didn't sell any copies of Half-Life: Titanium Edition and the stockholders want someone's heads. You're fired.

      • Re:aah (Score:1, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward
        Developers tell publishers something will take six months when it will really take two years, because publishers don't want to hear that to make a good game it will take two years, and they will go with another developer who will lie to them, or put out a crappy product which doesn't sell anyway.
        • Indeed. Many developers won't take that risk so that's why a lot of games are so mediocre. It is a risk though, so the developer that puts out Everquest gets paid big when the game works out and Dynamix gets fired when Tribes 2 fizzles. The flip side of innovation is when people don't want it (see Shenmue)

  • SWAT 4 demo (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Nelson Minar ( 7732 )
    No need to guess whether SWAT 4 will be a problem: the demo has been out for a month [3dgamers.com]. It looks great to me.

    • Re:SWAT 4 demo (Score:1, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      It looks great, but the game play is ehhh. There are a number of elements that simply got dropped from SWAT3, including:

      - being able to move while leaning. This makes it extremely frustrating to throw a grenade or mirror for threats.

      - Suspects or hostages who have surrendered will remain in that state forever. This bad ass who killed two cops surrenders, and lays a MAC-10 down right by his knee? He'll never get up, even once your entire element leaves the room.

      - hostages are incredibly resistant. Yo

  • A Lament (Score:5, Insightful)

    by American AC in Paris ( 230456 ) * on Friday March 25, 2005 @11:07AM (#12046511) Homepage
    Okay, anybody who has read my past posts on Tribes knows that I'm about as close as they come to a slavering fanboy when it comes to Tribes. Tribes is the very definition of What A Game Should Be in my book, and I love it in the same way other people love opera, collectible figurines, and reality television. Tribes is what gaming should be. That said, I'm about to propose something that's sure to piss pretty much everybody off:

    Tribes, on balance, was made measurably worse by the community.

    I'm not just talking about griefers, lamers and TKers; that's universal and understandable. I'm also talking about server admins and modders. There were some fantastic mods floating about out there--well thought-out, balanced mods that made the game substantially different, better and/or cooler. There were also some decent but decidedly less-thought out mods out there, mods which nerfed heavies/snipers/pilots/etc, mods which made weapons entirely too deadly, mods which presented poorly planned, poorly executed maps, mods that futzed with physics in a way that was amusing for five minutes then tedious--you've played 'em. What's more, there were junior modders who'd take a good mod and add their own little melange of spices, spawning 'renegades' variants and the like.

    All well and good, but once this got underway, it became a serious challenge to find a decent game to join. The vast majority of servers would be running some mod or other--and if you didn't know the mod, you'd get your ass handed to you on a silver platter for several hours until you learned all the various idiosyncrasies therein. Other servers required client-side downloads--a real annoyance when all you want to do is hop on a game and play. It was not uncommon to find only two or three servers running a "standard" game--and these servers would generally either be packed to capacity or dead empty.

    I know it's not cool to rail on the community, but I honestly think that it played a real role in making the game less playable overall. Yes, there are tons of other factors in play--for example, Dynamix/VU could have shelled out for a couple dozen dedicated base servers. Yes, I could have S'ed the FU and run my own server (which I did for some time back in the day, by the way--admittedly with my own half-baked mod...) Yes, a number of clans did original, stunning, amazing work worthy of mountains of praise. But when it comes right down to it, I really think that Tribes as a game was hurt more than it was helped by the community at large.

    • I absolutely agree. I'm not in the super fanboy camp, but Tribes 2 is the best fps type game I've ever played. There was just something unique in the combination of hectic play and calm - dare I serene? - cruising that made for a good balance. The games also required some thought. After the peak of the game, when I tried to return to it for a quick game or two it was nearly impossible to find a decent server.

      Anyway, my hopes for Tribes 3 was that it would place more emphasis on team play and maybe even hav
    • I was always a big fan of Tribes 1 and didn't mind the mods, but one thing that comes to mind even though it wasn't really Tribes itself.

      When Counter-Strike came out I was pissy because there weren't enough good servers out there and I was pissed off that one map was taken out of official rotation.

      So I went down to a local ISP and started my own game server. This was back in the days when you had thousands mom and pop local ISP's around the nation. They has decent connection and the server was always pack
    • Yep - too many mods.

      Sucks too - there's nothing like being part of a bomber crew, or jumping out of a havoc with 4 other heavies and pwning the enemy gens / ff gens. Or lobbing tank mortars onto the vpad from a mile away with the help of a scout with a targetting laser.

      Tribes 2 had more opportunities for more kinds of teamwork than any other game to date, but with a billion flavors of the game and no official servers, the player base just got too fragmented to find games or tribes to join.

    • Re:A Lament (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Sigma 7 ( 266129 )

      Okay, anybody who has read my past posts on Tribes knows that I'm about as close as they come to a slavering fanboy when it comes to Tribes. Tribes is the very definition of What A Game Should Be in my book, and I love it in the same way other people love opera, collectible figurines, and reality television. Tribes is what gaming should be. That said, I'm about to propose something that's sure to piss pretty much everybody off:

      Tribes, on balance, was made measurably worse by the community.

      I couldn't agre

  • Still confused (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Dachannien ( 617929 ) on Friday March 25, 2005 @11:11AM (#12046546)
    I still don't get why game developers feel like they need publishers in this day and age of ubiquitous Internet connections and BitTorrent file distribution. What the industry needs is some nonstandard (read: non-publisher) sources of capital, so that developers can make and sell games under their own judgment without being burdened by marketroid PHB know-it-alls pulling their strings. Combine this with a sales model that utilizes the Internet to get games (legally) from the developer to the consumer, and publishers suddenly become obsolete.

    • Hence developers need publishers. Specifically publishers who have blanket deals with retailers to move the merchandise.

      The majority of purchases are at retail stores. The online distribution market isn't mature enough as there are few issues that have to be overcome.

      1. Not all customers for a game have broadband access.

      2. Some games are still too large to download in a timely manner even with broadband.

      3. Too many people expect a discount when using a downloaded version while completely ignoring the
      • I still don't get why game developers feel like they need publishers in this day and age of ubiquitous Internet connections and BitTorrent file distribution

        Developers wouldn't use publishers if it didn't cost so much to make a game. A typical AAA title coming out in the next couple years will have a budget of anywhere from $5million to as much as $20million or more. No small independent developer has that kind of cash sitting around. Typically, all the money a developer gets from their previous titles is
      • The majority of purchases are at retail stores. The online distribution market isn't mature enough as there are few issues that have to be overcome.

        I don't even think this is the biggest issue. You want to know what happens when a developer is given free reign to develop a game at their own pace with no strings attached?

        Duke Nukem Forever. That's what happens.

        Developers are never satisfied with their games. They very often are not even in a position to impose the structure and project management req
        • I don't know what you're talking about, I got duke nukem forever last year Oh wait..
        • DNF's problem is just poor leadership at the developer level. I agree that if there really is no project management, then there's a great risk of coming up with nothing but vapor.

          However, a competent project manager employed by the developer should be able to define milestones for his project regardless of whether they have a separate publisher to satisfy or not. With those milestones in the hands of the developer, rather than the publisher, they can be dependent upon meeting goals instead of ship dates.
    • Because unless you've got mad wealth, mad marketing skills or mad clout, there's absolutely no way you're gonna be able to get your game "out there" as well as a publisher can.

      Rags-to-riches Internet stories like Counter-Strike do exist, but it's simply bad business to assume that the same will happen to your game. If you're anything more than a hobbyist, odds are you'll gain more than you'll lose by getting a publisher.

    • How the hell do you think developpers manage to cover their development costs prior to selling their finished games? Software development is just like everything else, you need an investor first so you can manage to bring your idea to a (hopefully lucrative) reality.
    • The objections here to a no-publisher model are surprising given the general SlashDot antagonism to the MPAA and RIAA and the publishers they represent. Game developers can work just like music and movie artists, mostly for the love of the work, and distributing under an indy label where they reap most of any profits. Moreover, they can follow the open source model and make frequent ongoing releases of beta material instead of waiting for just the right time in the game marketplace.

      To see a relevant exampl

  • Tribes died when Sierra canned Tribes 2 [penny-arcade.com]. This is news? :)
  • VUG are just doing what they should as a business, it is not profitable to provide support for a game that doesn't get played by enough people.

    It's a shame to see such a potentially great franchise go down in such a bad way

  • The Warcraft effect (Score:5, Insightful)

    by supabeast! ( 84658 ) on Friday March 25, 2005 @12:02PM (#12047027)
    Maybe the folks at Vivendi are experiencing the same problem that EA identified earlier in the week - World of Warcraft is so damned popular that it wrecked everyone else's holiday sales, and is continuing to hold the interest of gamers, who continue to not buy new games. VU is certainly no stranger to this problem - Starcraft and Half-Life (Well, Countrstrike anyway), both VU distributed titles, have been biting into sales for years. Everquest has also been noted as a title that eats away at the market for years.

    Perhaps the reason VU is pushing WoW so hard, both in the US and internationally, while cutting funds to other games, is that the execs have realized that VUs most successful games will continue to cannibalize other game sales, so it's better to just push on with a guaranteed cash cow.
    • well. depends where you live.

      in europe it's still pretty damn hard to find a copy of WoW. what you can't buy can't hurt sales of other games.

      vivendi unversal has seriously fucked up the supply of the game around here - and it will hurt them too(I would have bought the game if I could 4 weeks ago. now I'm starting to feel like not buying it even if it was for sale.. unless they come up with some SERIOUS content additions. and no, just promising them doesn't count).

    • I have a slightly different take. While WoW and the phenomenon of the MMORPGs may be absorbing a chunk of Tribes' userland, for me the reason I don't pay attention anymore is Unreal Tournament 2004. I bought Tribes 2 the day it came out based on my good experiences with the first Starsiege:Tribes in, oh, 1998-1999 or so. Tribes 2 sucked so bad. I felt ripped off for the first time (okay, I may be a slight gaming newbie) and vowed never to give them any more money. Seriously, if the game sucks enough for me

    • Re:The Warcraft effect (Score:4, Interesting)

      by imr ( 106517 ) on Friday March 25, 2005 @01:44PM (#12047895)
      Meanwhile, they could have seen that what makes valve and blizzard special is not their games, which are nice but are not the most inventive, but the quality of said games at release time AND the life long support they seem to have afterwards. The dedication to quality some have contrasts heavilly whith the dedication others have to crap on the collective toes of their customers, to the point that blizzard CAN start a game again from scratch when others just released it unfinished and scrap support when "sales are disapointing".

      I despise diablo, i find and found starcraft outdated and unoriginal, i found half life quite dull, action wise since i didnt bite the xfile story, BUT i would buy any game of those 2 compagnies without thinking twice BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WILL BE A PATCH for any issue, even 4 YEARS LATER. Same for ID, same for Epics.

      And I don't want to ear anything about support costing too much or anything.
      Tribes2 linux port was rock stable under linux years before vivendy coughed a little cash to have another patch for windows users. They did it because they had the intend to keep the franchise alive, but they already had lost their customers in the interval.
      So doing things right rom the beginning to the end is what is really missing with those publishers. Now that internet is here, ea, vu, atari and the rest are outdated and useless.

      BTW, if I'm not mistaking, the author of the tribes2 linux port is now working at blizzard and is the sdl author. There is no coincidence.
  • Tribes as a whole has been a series of games that I have followed for a long time. Most of my Clan member are Tribes fanatics, where Im the founder of said group. I remember the day when Sierra let Dynamix team go. Things changed , and then the concepts of what the game was supposed to be changed. No more Full bomber team. No more full Carrier of heavies raining down mortars on the Katabatic base. No more Full tank squads. The Pod was a sorrowful comparison to the Shrike.

    Sorrowfully, the promise that it w
  • Despite all its warts, I honestly love Tribes 2 and am starting to get into T:V.

    This isn't all that much of a surprise, VUG has done a variety of nasty things to the Tribes Community before. For example, recently they locked out all T2 users by flagging that there was an upgrade, but not actually posting a file for the updater to download. That caused the T2 client to go into an infinite loop. Fortunately, the community provided a command line work around. There have been about half a dozen BS stunts l
  • Pickings are slim for Tribes 2 servers nowadays. I keep hoping I'll find out about some alternative server lists somewhere....
  • Is it still tangentially a spin-off of the Police Quest series? Is it still Darrel F. Gates? Those games ruled back in the day...
  • Irrational, the devs of Tribes Vengence, are one of my favorite companies. Ken Levine is one smart cookie.

    But it seemed that all of the sudden, they went from doing Freedom Force to juggling two more games that seemed little more than outsourcing. Judging by reviews and demos, it seems that neither Swat or Tribes are horrible, merely above average.

    So I wonder if Irrational didn't just need some extra cash infusion to be able to self-publish Freedom Force: 3rd Reich, or hire more people for the upcomi
  • Tribes 2 was horrible. It flat out sucked. I can't blame the dev's for it but game stopping bugs like the infamous Unhandled Exceptions really wore it down, fast. There were more patches for Tribes 2 trying to fix shit than there was for Tribes 1, and in 1/10th the time (how many patches were there in the first 6 months?).

    As for T:V, well personally I think the community got what it deserved. When Irrational and such was trying to get feed back, it always boiled down to Tribes 1 fans wanting this and Trib

  • Late Post (Score:3, Informative)

    by BrookHarty ( 9119 ) on Friday March 25, 2005 @04:54PM (#12049718) Journal
    I'm an avid tribes player, Tribes1/2 and some TV. The biggest problem is Sierra and Vivendi are horrible about support and management of smaller companies. They are the modern day land barons, they are buying every game franchise they can get their hands on, and killing off any competition they can.

    If you follow the forums for most game support you will see the developers are kept in the dark, until they are let go. This is a common trend with them. This is nothing new, they have been doing it for years. Its extremely cheap to hire 2 developers to write patches for a year, but of course, patching isnt included in the budget, so its chopped at first VP's sight.

    Its sad, as Tribes was my favorite game, I watched the server count for "Base" the normal game dwindle to a couple that was always full of extremely die hard players. I even collected every sound pack I could and merged them into 1 sound pack, over 800 megs of .wav files, so you could listen to everyones special soundpack. Was on Tribalwar and Tribes planet daily reading and posting int he forums, havnt done that in over 3 years.

    Tribescon was my first gamecon I went too, came in 2nd and 1st at the first 2 tribes cons. Even keep 2 signed boxes of tribes on my desk, for the 5 years I played tribes, I played almost daily. (And yes, went to work, school, and had family time..)

    Simple, fun, and for a long time, no aimbots. It was on par with counterstrike in pure enjoyment and simple gameplay. Tactical operations, not sci-fi mega weapons. Smooth gameplay, and great maps.

    Glad its free, I have both the freely released versions sitting on my HD, think I'll play this weekend. I urge you guys to download and play it, while the graphics of T1 isnt the greatest, it is a pure enjoyable game. T2 was the early engine that Garage games used to launch its business. And wow, how that engine has progressed. I was reading the changelog on the Developers build, the vegetation, and rendering is simple awesome.

    BTW, heres whats on my desk at work, -minus the empty cups of coffee. ;) Signed Tribes Boxes [ironwolve.com]

  • I thought that I would point out that most of the Tribes developers have moved onto GarageGames [garagegames.com] and the independent game development scene with the Torque Game Engine.

    If you haven't checked out GarageGames or the indie games tha they develop and publish then I highly recommend that you do. There are a variety of great games available to suit anyone's needs (from your puzzle games, to your more traditional FPS ones) and they run a bunch of different OSes such as Windows, OSX and Linux. I think you would be

  • First there is the Legends game based off of the Torque engine. This game is very Tribes-like.

    http://hosted.tribalwar.com/legends/ [tribalwar.com]

    Then there is Renwerx, which will virtually redo Legends in the near future. They are looking for help.

    http://renwerx.com/ [renwerx.com]
  • No other game has required such a combination of skill, reaction speed, and hand-eye coordination. I've played BF1942, Planetside, Halo, BFV, T2, CS:S, and many others, many of them at the competitive level, and nothing came as close to the old thrill of competitive sports as T:V. The companies involved in making the game made three big mistakes: 1 - Releasing the game the same time as Half Life 2 and Doom 3. There's no way it could compete. 2 - No marketing at all. As a result, only the existing Trib

  • Tribes is a great online game because it blends action with strategy.

    Tribes was also one of the first online FPS games with useful vehicles.

    Tribes also had classes and deployables before these things were fashionable.

    Unfortunately, the all-too-common Tribes fan variant, otherwise known as the TribalWhore, went half-cocked kicking and screaming for everything but these fundamentals.

    Perhaps you've heard the calls for jetpacks and skiing ? This 'aint Duke Nuke'em Forever set in the Rockies. Folks who

  • Knowing that this story is at the bottom of the Games front page, I just feel the need to reply nonetheless. To me, Starsiege: Tribes filled a massive void that could probably never be filled again. Keeping it short, Tribes 2 tried, however the many performance issues, patches and the death of Dynamix stunted the growth of the game considerably.

    I guess I somehow thought that the Tribes series would always be there, however this latest incarnation has proven the opposite: Take a look at the amount of serv

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