Student Makes a Million Online, Gets Deported 309
Via Kotaku, a story at the Mainichi daily news about an enterprising exchange student that got himself deported. Wang Yue Si, a Chinese student who went to Japan on a student visa, found himself in need of some spending money. Since he was a gamer, he decided to make some cash by selling virtual items online. He was so successful, the cops noticed. From the article: "He started selling items such as weapons and currency for online games through an Internet auction site in April this year, without obtaining the appropriate residency status. Wang, living in Kumamoto, has admitted that he sold the virtual goods for about 6 million yen ($US 1.3 Million), in violation of the Immigration Control and Refugee Recognition Law. A bank worker became suspicious when Wang regularly sent money back home to China and alerted police in August, prompting Kumamoto police officers to investigate the student."
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Whoa. Curveball.
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The (U.S. $1.3 million) is not in the article. The yen that is about 1 million US dollars in worth that they are talking about is the 150 million yen that he is suspected of having made, rather then the 6 million he has admitted to making.
Also, the article didn't make that conversion in the summary (the 6 million yen = 1 million U.S.).
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If you RTA, it said he sold 150 million yen worth of goods. I believe the 6 million was in reference to an individual item.
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Idiot. (Score:5, Insightful)
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If you're in college, what would you care?
Here's a fact: In the business world, there is always a high paying job (or venture capital) for someone who has shown they can make money, even if that person has no ethical barriers to speak of.
Sometimes it is because the employer thinks they can temper the lack of ethics, other times it is because that is exactly the type of person they wanted to hire. W
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Sorry, it may be good business, but it's still stupid.
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He kept the money (Score:4, Insightful)
You can live real well with that kind of money in China, so I don't think he has many regrets.
Re:Idiot. (Score:5, Insightful)
The bottom line is he made a buttload of money, the vast majority of which is somewhere in China and therefore likely untouchable. You can call him an 'idiot' all damn day, but it sounds an awful lot like sour grapes from where I sit.
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I understand that you're angry with market forces, but you might as well be mad at water for being wet. Where there is a demand there will be a supply.
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oh, market forces have their appropriate uses do they? I'm glad you're big enough to admit that.
That's like saying gravity has an appropriate uses.
Your anger/displeasure at this guy is misdirected. If you want to stop goldfarming, talk to Blizzard. They're the only ones who can effect the changes you want. When there is either no demand or no supply because of whatever changes they make to the game, then that
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Re:Idiot. (Score:5, Informative)
He made it failry in terms of his customers got what they paid for but the authorities are mad because he DIDN'T pay income taxes on it; he was a foriegn exchange student and wasn't supposed to be making any income in the first place.
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Since he was a student, there is the natural expectation that he would be bringing money into the country, rather than actively sending it out. If had just deposited the money into a Chinese bank accoun
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Shhh. How dare you threaten the myth of the Rugged Individual? These are self-made men! All of your girly infrastructure, legal protections, immunizations, public education, stabilized currency and whatnot just impeded their awesome achievements.
Re:Correction, please. (Score:5, Insightful)
Now, reasonable does not mean it's *worth* your or my money. Certainly not mine. But for someone already throwing out dozens of dollars each month, who has the money to spend, and is willing to throw out an extra few to do something that they think is fun without the effort of programming/finding/whatevering it themselves.....I'm not sure that's so much weirder than paying $14 for a two-hour movie and a little bag of buttered grain, that I could obtain for myself with a walk to the library and a small garden.
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How good of a salesman does it take to convince people to fork a million dollars over a period of a couple months, in exchange for a couple bits on a computer? Do you even have an idea of what that kind of talent is worth?
You're jealous.
You're bitter.
You wish you thought of it first.
You wish you had the balls and the skills required to pull it off.
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You make it sound like he's the trifecta evil incarnate: By day he smacks starving African children around, rampages through Tokyo bi-daily, and then pisses in public swimming pools. By night, when he has time for a break, he curls up next to a cozy immolated Christian and snacks on candied babies, and then...he...sells virtual items online?!?!?!!!! *gasp* Why, you'd expect that someone so evil wouldn't sleep so well, except pe
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Not having a work visa does not equal "can't make money".
If he owned a business back home that made him money every week, I don't think that would have caused any problems.
If he negotiated the purchase of his home and car in China, while in Japan, I doubt that would have caused him any trouble either.
In this situation, since the income came purely from online sources, did he "work" in Japan? Or did he oversee the operatio
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Tom
Japan is strict (Score:5, Insightful)
Seriously, if you care about living in Japan, don't fuck with the officials, they are more Xenophobic than any other country I could imagine.
[thought I love living in Japan, its always about the people you meet]
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Before getting too upset about this, wait and see what happens. They find someone who isn't supposed to be working exporting a large amount of money so they arrest him. That isn't surprising. Maybe they'll deport him. Maybe they'll release him. Maybe they'll make him pay income tax on it. For all we know they'll decide that although exporting all that cash looked suspicious, since he didn't actually have a job in Japan he didn't violate his student status. We haven't seen how this will turn out.
As for
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Well, especially if you're Chinese, although it's sort of a good idea to avoid even the appearance of wrongdoing if you're a resident alien in any country.
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Who is the bigger idiot anyways? The student entrepreneur trying to make some extra money or the bank worker who is reporting a good customer to the police for a victimless crime?
What really should have happened is that such cases are handled the same way as search warrants: if, while serving a warrant obtained to investigate some serious crime, no evidence of the wanted crime are found, but evidence of an unrelated lesser crime, that evidence may not be used. In our case, whatever board was "investigating" the report should just have dismissed it after seeing that no drugs were involved.
These stories get more common... (Score:3, Interesting)
I'd love to see a broad treatment of law-meets-games-meets-money from someone who actually understands the issues involved. I'm tangentially interested in all those things but I don't really have enough background to put these sorts of things into perspective.
Anyone?
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The TOS == The rulebook. If you don't wanna play by the rules, don't play.
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See, because you suggested letting them off lightly like that you got modded troll. Try to suppress your misplaced sense of mercy. Some people aren't worth it.
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He'd have got the same treatment in USA, EU, etc (Score:3, Informative)
Lucky he wasn't hung.. (Score:2, Interesting)
Four friends are playing a game of Monopoly. One guest turns to the other guest and offers to sell Park Place for $10 real dollars. You're the host, what would you do? That's right, tell the cheating bastard to go home.
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Say "make it $5 and you've got a deal."
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In any case, this is perfectly legal in Monopoly, whatever is not forbidden in the rules is allowed (tournaments may differ).
I have heard of one case where a player about to be bankrupted asked the landlord if he could just pay him with money from his wallet instead of getting eliminated. All the players at the table thought he was a complete idiot, so they laughingly okayed it. He opened his wallet, and pulled out a big wad of... MONOPOLY MONEY.
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Then he'd be Hung Wang. (Score:2)
House Rules (Score:5, Funny)
House Rules: The house takes a 50% cut of all real money transactions that affect game play.
If Chon Wang wants to sell Park Place to Princess Pei Pei for $10, someone's going to have to fork $5 over to me.
I think you misunderstand (Score:3, Insightful)
Think of it this way, if you own a business in one country and that business continues to make money while you are on a tourist or student training visa (a visa that does not authorize you to engage in employment in the country you are visiting) in another
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Should have asked for payment in China (Score:5, Informative)
And if you are in US on tourist visa, you can't keep selling your virtual "German made" stuff on a regular basis, as then you are working in US, and either need to have a local branch or work visa.
Japan did a normal thing in this case -- you don't have work permit, yet regularly cash in cheques? Goodbye!
Otherwise anyone could work as a salesman without any visa, claiming that goods were "made in another country".
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not unexpected (Score:5, Insightful)
Move along. Move along.
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Of course, if you want to do significantly better than inflation
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Under US law, are you allowed to make money in your home country while studying? Let's say you're German studying in the US. Can you do programming for German clients via the Internet and receive payment in Germany?
As far as Japanese law, he should have recieved payment for the items outside Japan. H
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This guy was basically self-employed, so needed a completely different visa.
The article is published by the Daily Mainichi, so I wouldn't worry about checking the original Japanes for accuracy.
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Generally yes. Even off-campus work may performed if approved by the school (the example I have in mind is an internship; I believe that off-campus work must be related to one's studies).
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People with misplaced priorties (Score:4, Interesting)
Gambling, porn, online gaming... let's add drugs to the list too. It's all a waste of money. Porn is free as far as I'm concerned, gambling is often too risky the way some addicts play, and drugs waste in an obvious way. But paying for "virtual stuff" in a virtual world?! That's a waste of money and time.
It's not like I don't understand it -- I recall calling in sick to work more than once so I could finish a level of X-Wing versus Tie Fighter... the pay check started to reflect my obsession and I made corrections. I wish other people could learn that lesson.
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Welcome to the free market, free and self correction to squeeze out inefficiency.
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I agree. I mean people pay for cable and internet access which is what just some electrons flowing around. Waste of money.
People also pay for services that they can do themselves. Waste of money.
And don't let me even get started on slashdot subscriptions.
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Good points...
Hoewever, don't you get paid sick time? Why would calling in sick affect your pay?
Article says *arrested*, not deported (Score:5, Informative)
The article says: "A university student from China has been arrested for illegally engaging in business activities outside the restrictions of his student visa, police said." Arrested, not deported.
Of course it's an English summary of a Japanese original. Does anyone here read Japanese well enough to check the original source?
About the discrepancy in the money amounts mentioned in another reply: 6 million yen is what the student has admitted. That's nowhere near $1 million. Police suspect his total profit is 100 million yen, which is near enough $1 million.
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Well, at least that would be true if Japan has the same laws as the US. As an American, I'm not really capable of imagining places that aren't America, so I just pretend that everywhere that isn't America is just more America except people talk funny.
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Another poster suggested that deporting might be the only option - I doubt that. They can probably fine him or just ask him to pay taxes on his income. If I'd made $1.3 million I'd be less concerned about being deported and more about being made to pay about $500k taxes....
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Five little words (Score:4, Funny)
Inmates watching inmates (Score:5, Insightful)
Dealing with a little cash is not exclusive only to the terrorists who sell drugs to babies. Nor is having a few thousand dollars in bank transfers solely the realm of pedophile rapists who conduct school shootings.
This guy got busted by a pro-active bank teller who was trained to believe everything you do is suspicious. All the while, in the US, they look you in the eye and smile like nothing is wrong, because they are generally held to strict secrecy by law. US bank tellers watch your every move and transaction, report your private monetary activities to federal law enforcement without you knowing it, then trot out the dog-n-pony show about some gold-farmer-type guy and we are supposed to believe that justifies our lack of privacy.
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Apparently this was the nearly unheard of exception, but that doesn't indicate that the suspicion was unreasonable.
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At any rate, I'd be interested to see *any* credible documentation of banking and or federal regulations that mention this mandatory secretive reporting that you're blathering about.
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I work for a bank. You'd be surprised at the level of monitoring these days. Particularly because employees are under instruction not to inform you of any suspicion they may have, for fear of alerting a potential criminal that his game is up.
Behold [wikipedia.org]
You may not consider wikipedia 'credible', but a google search for "suspicious activity reporting" [google.com] or "Anti money laundering guidelines [google.com] brings up a wealth of credible documentation. I just linked to wikipedia because the information was presented in an ea
heard something similer (Score:2)
I knew someone at uni who graduated in my year who became a millionaire in the last six months by hosting a web based service on the uni servers that had tens of thousands of users and got bought for over a million.
He broke so many uni network rules that the uni could of kicked him out. However they made it quite clear that they liked to have a few rich allumni about the place, and brushed it under the carpet.
Had he just broken the rules and not got rich I'm sure the story would have been differ
New Headline (Score:2)
That's it. The rest is minutae.
Making money in the wrong country... (Score:2)
Entrepreneur (Score:2)
This guy sounds like a true entrepreneur. Instead of deporting him, how about hiring him?
Just a thought.
Forget why he was deported (Score:2)
I know SOME small amounts of money can be made but 1.3million? Where do I sign please?
What I want to know is... (Score:2, Interesting)
Sign that I'm an old man (Score:2)
What a Crock (Score:2)
While I'm sure the bank may have felt he was a criminal getting money in some nefarious way, once they found out what he was really doing they should have just left him alone.
The good news is that he should be able to continue to pursue his profession just as well from China. Well, that is minus the 20
Not a crock at all (Score:2)
These rules exist for a reason. They don't want people abusing study rights (because the visa is easier, cheaper, and less regulated--it's also tax free in most countries) to hide employment from the authorities. You don't have employment status in the country, period. You don
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we cant farm/grind like chinese do in wow. hell no.
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Hardly $1M admitted. (Score:3, Informative)
According to TFA, the student is _suspected_ to have earned 150M yen, which translates to $1.29M. This is what the police suspect, and has not been admitted by the student in question nor has this claim been supported by any other evidence.
Editors, even though this is Slashdot please try to do your work. This isn't Digg.
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