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Sony VP Salutes DS, Promises PSP Can Still Compete 121

An anonymous reader writes "In an interview with Pocket Gamer, Zeno Colaço, vice president of publisher and developer relations at SCEE made some revealing comments about his thoughts on the DS and the future of the PSP. 'Some of the DS games have been fantastic. Where in hindsight we've been short is one or two killer apps that would have been able to drive PSP forward'. Despite being so frank on the merits of the competition, Colaço was still tight lipped on the subject of a PSP redesign, stating: 'The technology behind PSP is still top-end and so that doesn't need to be addressed'."
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Sony VP Salutes DS, Promises PSP Can Still Compete

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  • by Pojut ( 1027544 ) on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @11:00AM (#19410887) Homepage
    I am in no way a fanboy of any console. Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Sega...it doesn't matter. To paraphrase Pure Pwnage, Any machine that let's me play games I enjoy.

    That being said. Yes, the PSP has it's issues...screen is prone to fingerprints/scratches, control stick takes a slight bit to get used to, low battery life...but you know what? It's still a bad-ass little toy. I can convert any movie/TV show/whatever, put it on the memory stick, and watch it directly on the device with no modding necessary.

    I can download one of hundreds of FREE comics that are made specifically with the PSP in mind. Using one of many FREE programs, I can convert E-books into a format that makes them easily readable on the screen. I can broswe the internet with it (granted it's slow due to the b wireless connection it has, but hey it's still got wireless access)

    All in all, despite it's faults, I still absolutely ADORE my PSP. If not for the games, at least for everything else I can use it for.
    • by morari ( 1080535 ) on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @11:09AM (#19411003) Journal

      Any machine that let's me play games I enjoy.
      So you go forward listing the PSP's multimedia capabilities as opposed to any must-have games that makes it competitive. :P
      • by Pojut ( 1027544 )
        Well, there was a time when games were the only things consoles were used for and as such that was the major deciding factor in what I would buy...for me, the major deciding factor in getting a PSP was being able to A. use it as an E-book reader and B. watch any movie/tvshow/etc. on it without requireing any modification.

        I'm aware that (apparently) the DS has better games, but it was less suited to my needs....in this day and age, when gaming is just ONE PART of what consoles do, you have to factor in other
        • by laffer1 ( 701823 )
          Yes, but when you start looking at game consoles as multipurpose devices, there is absolutely no point in buying one. Just use a computer, smartphone or PDA. A company could easily make a windows based PDA with a control pad and buttons in addition to the traditional touch interface.

          The PSP reminds me of the Sega GameGear. It had an optional TV tuner which sort of made it multipurpose. The short battery life made that feature practically useless since it had to be plugged in often. I don't like the pla
          • by nomadic ( 141991 )
            Yes, but when you start looking at game consoles as multipurpose devices, there is absolutely no point in buying one. Just use a computer, smartphone or PDA. A company could easily make a windows based PDA with a control pad and buttons in addition to the traditional touch interface.

            ...And it would be far more expensive than the PSP. I don't have a PSP because I have no need of one, but I've seen them and they're a lot slicker and better for multimedia than any PDA, plus they're significantly cheaper.
          • by aliquis ( 678370 )
            AFAIK battery life on the PSP becomes better if you run the games from memory stick instead of UMD. Sure that's not how they are intended to be run, but it sure helps.
        • by aliquis ( 678370 )
          But a DS can show movies, play music, read e-books, work as PDA and so on with flashcarts aswell.

          Thought if it's not games you are after something like the GP2x would probably be more convenient since it let you do whatever you want with it from the begining.
      • I've spent many, many hours playing games on my PSP. Games I've spent more than 20 hours playing: Loco Roco, Katamari, Lego Star Wars, Puzzle Quest, Ridge Racer, Tekken 6, Mercury Madness, Field Commander.

        I bought mine a bit over a year ago (and so missed the early game drought), and there's never been a time where I've felt like playing but not had something to play on it. (Partially a function of my limited free time and free spending ways, admittedly.)

        I've never understood the "must have" game thing.
      • That's probably because the PSP actually does a better job at being a portable media center than a portable gaming system.

        I own both a PSP and DS; I use the DS to play games while the PSP is mostly used for watching movies, listening to music and browsing the web. While the DS has a large library of exclusives, a lot of the PSP games are simply portable versions of the game I already own for the PS2.

        Zeno Colaço mentions this in the article,

        One of our biggest challenges was PlayStation 2 games c

    • by LWATCDR ( 28044 )
      "All in all, despite it's faults, I still absolutely ADORE my PSP. If not for the games, at least for everything else I can use it for.'
      That says it all.
      BTW 802.11b shouldn't slow down web browsing it is still faster than DSL. That reminds me Opera is available for my DS and need to go and buy it.
      I wonder if Sony will start trying to make fun games and stop killing goats.
      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by benzapp ( 464105 )
        I wonder if Sony will start trying to make fun games and stop killing goats.

        I have a PSP and have quite a few fun games, most of which have kept me quite satisfied with my purchase. They are:

        1. Ratchet and Clank: Size Matters
        2. Ace Combat X: Skies of Deception
        3. Lumines
        4. Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops
        5. Wipeout Pure
        6. GTA: Liberty City Stories
        7. GTA: Vice City Stories
        8. Field Commander
        9. Mega Man Powered Up

        I just don't get it. The PSP has many great games, yet this slashdot myth persists.
        • by LWATCDR ( 28044 ) on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @12:28PM (#19412397) Homepage Journal
          I don't have a PSP but that is just is. I never hear about This game or that game is just great, except for Lumines. Heck the parent of my post said that he loved the PSP if not for the then for all the other uses.
          The myth persists because PSP owners keep saying it.
          • OK, Metal Gear Solid and Tekken 5 are awesome. I play them both all the time. Gran Turismo will be incredible (if it ever comes out). Final Fantasy I and II are coming out this month and next.

          • Reason being is that aside from Lumines and perhaps a few others, there aren't any games on the PSP that aren't on the PS2. The GP list has two games that aren't essentially PS2 or even PS1 games. Loco Roco, and Lumines. Now, as a side, this is why I don't own a PSP. I don't have a lot of time for portable gaming, so why would I buy a system that I wouldn't use in place of a PS2?

            I own the DS because the games are amazing, and for what little time I may have to use it, it's wonderful. I'd love to have a

        • God, I hate Field Commander. It's like Advance Wars with all the stuff that makes it fun taken away. Instead we have choppy 3D graphics that makes it hard to discern between units and has severe framerate issues. Also, after playing GTA on the PC, the gamepad versions seem unplayable, and the PSP versions - with only one analog stick - doubly so. But I have to admit, I'm also still mainly using my PSP for Lumines if I play games on it.
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    • by gEvil (beta) ( 945888 ) on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @11:14AM (#19411081)
      I can broswe the internet with it (granted it's slow due to the b wireless connection it has, but hey it's still got wireless access)

      You must have some ridiculously fat pipes if it's the 802.11b WiFi that's slowing you down...
      • I laughed when I first read that. "Yeah, my 11 megabit wireless sure slows down my internet connection!" Haha.
        • by aliquis ( 678370 )
          Well, 802.11b would seriously limit the download rate of our 100 mbps...

          But on the PSP I guess it's rather the rendering of pages which takes time, if anything.
          The interface for surfing and commenting on slashdot must suck thought.
        • Just because its capable of 11Mbit doesn't mean you'll always get it.

          Personally, I get 10Mbit at home right now on my cable Internet connection, and that's the middle priced plan ($45/mo Canadian) and using wireless would feel stupid (adding to my lag and decreasing my speed).
    • by Zencyde ( 850968 )
      Of course, everything you've mentioned can be done with the DS as well. Mind you, it does require a card reader, but that's not modding. You can read comics (image files) and e-books on the DS as well. Also, if you want to run emulators, you won't have to downgrade the firmware. I can't deny that the PSP has more horsepower than the DS, but they're both equally functional. Albeit, the touchscreen helps for keyboard input when browsing the web.
      • by Pojut ( 1027544 )
        Being able to watch movies/TV shows was a big draw for me as far as the PSP is concerned....not to mention it is just a slick looking portable system (although the DS is quite nice looking as well)

        • by Zencyde ( 850968 )
          Movies and TV shows are viewable on the DS. You do have to convert files to an obscure format called "DPG", but it's not like the thing is OMFG 500 EM H ZEES FASTER THAN A COMPUTER! I'm rather impressed that someone managed to get a working codec on it, honestly. I prefer to just use it for music though.
          • by aliquis ( 678370 )
            Isn't DPG mpegI video with mp3 or ogg sound? I think it's something like that.

            Anyway the DS can play like 384 kbps video at say 12 fps with mono sound decently atleast, that's what I used. Screen resolution are only 256x192 of course so 384 kbps gives quite-very good quality on it.
      • E-loader has worked perfectly fine for running emulators on my PSP. No need to downgrade, just have to browse to the picture viewer to load the exploit.
    • As a comic artist, I'm interested if you'd explain which comics, if any, are 'designed' for the PSP.

      The cynic in me says any comic that works off vertical scrolling would fit the bill just fine, but if there's a handheld-specific comic and a reason it 'must' be on the PSP/DS, I'd love to hear it.
      • by Pojut ( 1027544 )
        The format is released in such a way that a single picture = a single frame instead of an entire page...in theory, you can convert any comic to FIT on a PSP screen, but the words will be so tiny you won't be able to read it.

        http://www.nyc2123.com/ [nyc2123.com]

        That one is my personal fave....a little short, but a very good series
      • I made one. [ministry-of-fun.com]
    • Any links for these free comics you speak of? I'd love to get a hold of some of those. Thanks.
    • All in all, despite it's faults, I still absolutely ADORE my PSP. If not for the games, at least for everything else I can use it for.

      And yet only the games help Sony, since they lose money selling you the hardware in hopes of you buying games for them to receive licensing fees on. You and every person like you who only uses their PSP for non-game related stuff is a Sony exec's nightmare. You're the reason their games division is hemorrhaging billions of dollars as we speak. (Well, you and Ken Kutaragi... B

    • "Any machine that connects me to noobs and lets me pwn 'em" I believe is the quote.
      • by Pojut ( 1027544 )
        Yes that is the quote...which is why I said it was a paraphrase ;-)
    • by coop247 ( 974899 )
      A nice fix for the battery issue is this Charger Grip [ebgames.com]. Not only does it give you an extra 5 hours, but it makes the PSP think that it is running on AC power, so you can have it on the brightest setting, which is very nice if you play in bright conditions. It also makes it much easier to hold.
    • by aliquis ( 678370 )
      Thought of course you DO have to mod it to be able to run your non UMD-movies in full resolution, haven't you?
  • Nintendo makes a great, cheap device that allows people who wouldn't normally play videogames to have fun with stuff that's simple to pick up, easy to understand what your aims are, and are chiefly great fun in short bursts, despite being graphically poor in comparison to the "competition".

    Sony have an all-singing, all-dancing ninja device that plays more traditional games, but much prettier than before. Are they really "failing"? Or is the market for this just rather smaller than people who will buy a DS f
    • Sony have an all-singing, all-dancing ninja device that plays more traditional games, but much prettier than before. Are they really "failing"? Or is the market for this just rather smaller than people who will buy a DS for Brain Training?

      Option 3: Perhaps people aren't too interested in playing the same games over and over, and want something different.

      My gaming background is as a pretty hardcore PC FPS player, but that genre seems to have stagnated of late... Doom 3, Quake 4, Half Life 2 were all pre

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by blendo75.5 ( 1058006 )
      If the only people that bought the DS bought it for Brain Training then the DS would have only sold about 1-2 million units world-wide. There are games for the DS that give the PSP a run for it's money as far as graphics are concerned. The graphics arent terrible, the price is right and the selection of games is amazing - there really is something for everyone.

      It's unbelievable that there is a perception that the DS is for people who "dont normally play video games". I play video games all the time and h
    • The price of the unit itself and the need to have an expensive TV etc to get anything approaching "good value" out of the PS3 has meant there are simply less people interested in it.

      While the quest to be the "center of the lounge room" is all well and good it does nothing for a huge number (maybe even a majority) of traditional gamers who are kids and young adults who have their consoles hooked up to a second TV (probably in their bedroom) so they can play whenever they like, regardless of what the rest of
  • ...when he says that the DS is great, the PSP is missing killer apps, but sadly not much else
  • by morari ( 1080535 ) on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @11:14AM (#19411091) Journal
    Stick with my Sega Nomad, thank you!
  • Power as a Problem (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Applekid ( 993327 ) on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @11:15AM (#19411099)
    The article's short but sweet. A curious thing he mentioned was that Sony had to tell developers that they wouldn't set the world alight by porting their PS2 games into it, which was what the first batch essentially was.

    Meanwhile Nintedo's handheld power has always been behind their console power. While it didn't eliminate straight-ports, it quickly exposed ports for being gimped versions of full games... meaning a lot of portable development went towards unique games unlike their more homebodied cousins.

    I'm not going to hand Nintendo that on a platter, though. It's probably just a side effect of trying to get rediculous battery life out of portable systems. Sony on the other hand just wanted to trump the competitors on brute force alone and win the checkbox wars. It's a neat gadget, though, and it's finally hitting its stride thanks to developers finally developing the right kinds of games for it.

    So, as always, it's always comes down to the games themselves. With great power comes great responsibility.
    • I'm not going to hand Nintendo that on a platter, though. It's probably just a side effect of trying to get rediculous battery life out of portable systems. Sony on the other hand just wanted to trump the competitors on brute force alone and win the checkbox wars.

      This is what makes Nintendo the winner in the handheld arena. They make game machines. They can be used for other things, but the gaming is the single driving factor behind the design, and that's what makes Nintendo's handhelds the best. They also

    • by mstahl ( 701501 )

      While it didn't eliminate straight-ports, it quickly exposed ports for being gimped versions of full games... meaning a lot of portable development went towards unique games unlike their more homebodied cousins.

      One of the things that really impressed me about the DS was the uniqueness of the games available for it. Some of them are kinda silly (I'm lookin' at you, Nintendogs!), but most of them are super innovative and kind of amazing. Just like what's been happening with the Wii, the unique set of inputs has created really unique games. I think it's telling that I couldn't really play these effectively in an emulator, nor could they be trivially ported to another system without losing a lot of functionality.

      By

  • by Sciros ( 986030 ) on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @11:17AM (#19411121) Journal
    ... from its high price. The DS was $150, the PSP was $250. With the usual accessories (carrying pouch perhaps, etc.), sales tax, and a game, folks who bought a PSP walked out of the store down $320-$350. That is a LOT for a handheld. Considering the price of UMD movies and PSP games, Sony's handheld may have been one of worst systems to purchase ever in terms of value for the dollar.

    Now that it's much cheaper, it's a wiser purchase to make. And yes, *now* it is its game library that's hurting it as well as its smaller player network. The DS has more good games and still costs less. Also, because of its success, it has better online play since there are more folks out there playing whatever you want to play via wi-fi.
  • by Alzheimers ( 467217 ) on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @11:25AM (#19411263)
    I'd get one, but every time they update the firmware they break the features I'd want it for.
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by DrXym ( 126579 )
      I have yet to see the firmware break anything unless you were hoping to play pirated games. In fact new firmware releases have introduced more and more functionality. For example the latest 3.5.0 firmware allows you to log into a paired PS3 from anywhere in the world and play movies & music off of it. Earlier firmware updates added AAC music, RSS, web browsing and other significant functionality.
      • I have yet to see the firmware break anything.

        He's talking about homebrew. Sony screws that up with each Firmware upgrade.

        • by DrXym ( 126579 )
          He's talking about homebrew. Sony screws that up with each Firmware upgrade.

          The PSP homebrew scene is probably 95% piracy and 5% genuine homebrewers. A quick glance at any torrent site can attest to the number of people constant seeding / leeching PSP games. It's no wonder that Sony choose to plug holes with firmware updates.

          • by G-funk ( 22712 )
            Actually it's more like 15% piracy, 1% homebrew, and 84% emulation (yay for paying $400 to play games I can get on a GBA)
          • by LKM ( 227954 )
            Except the same could be said about the DS, and Nintendo does nothing against it. So I'll continue to blame Sony for screwing up homebrew.
    • So get a DS. They don't upgrade the firmware, and there's tons of homebrew out there for the DS. The DS is also more suited to some of the homebrew, as it has the stylus, which makes productivity software and the like easier to use.

      Of course, there's also plenty of DS homebrew out there for movies, music and tut tut pirated games.

    • by Kohath ( 38547 )
      Sony probably doesn't really want you to get one.

      Just like Apple doesn't care about people who only listen to Ogg Vobris music.

      Both of these companies have decided they don't need the tiny segment of the market that cares about these things, no matter how loud they are in online forums.
  • by Chyeld ( 713439 ) <chyeld.gmail@com> on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @11:28AM (#19411309)
    Wait, a Sony higher up spoke about their product and their competitor's product, and it didn't involve an arrogant spiel about how wonderful Sony's attempt was and how the competitor has nothing, is nothing, and will be ground into dust?

    People better start looking for survival gear, I feel a second coming drawing near.
  • I'm all for multi-functional devices, but most of them can't do anything well enough for my standards. I'll celebrate the day they make the end all gaming/media player/camera/phone device, but by then i'll be too decrepit to even enjoy it. The PSP is a great little machine, but i prefer my DS, 8GB nano and 2mp Cameraphone combo. Sure, i paid close to $500 for all of it, but atleast they all have outstanding battery life and i'm still portable. Ok, the DS is a little hard to carry with other objects, but in
    • by brkello ( 642429 )
      I'll celebrate the day they make the end all gaming/media player/camera/phone device

      Start celebrating! It's called a PC. :P (I'd say Mac too but you mentioned gaming - I kid, I kid!)
      • I'll celebrate the day they make the end all gaming/media player/camera/phone device

        Start celebrating! It's called a PC. :P (I'd say Mac too but you mentioned gaming - I kid, I kid!)
        My bad. i meant portable gaming/media player/camera/phone device and by portable i don't mean laptop.
    • by Pojut ( 1027544 )
      Mod parent up for obscure Ghost in the Shell reference. Rarely see that on teh dot.

      And to complete the quote:

      "It's slow death."
  • ... 19mb of it's firmware wasn't taken up with security to stop people hacking it for homebrew. In fact, it's been theorized that if Sony ditched most of the security then they would have space to implement the features that are being hacked into it by the homebrew scene.
  • F Sony (Score:2, Interesting)

    by methodic ( 253493 )
    I refuse to buy any Sony products anymore. I used to have all the great Sony gadgets back in the day... TV, Boombox, Walkman, Discman, Mini Tape-recorder, portable speakers, you name it.... and they all died. I'm not talking after 10+ years of use, I'm talking less than 2 years of use.

    I do own a PS2 I bought off a friend for a ridiculously low price (needed my Dragon Warrior/Dragon Quest fix).. but I've heard a ton of horror stories about the PS2's breaking down in a similar manner after only a years worth
    • by Xymor ( 943922 )
      "If you can't open it you don't own it."

      I take you don't own any console, cellphone, media player...
      • by LKM ( 227954 )
        I think he just said that he owned a GP2X, right? There'll soon be an open cell phone [openmoko.com], and you can install Linux on an iPod, so I think he has covered all the bases.
    • by brkello ( 642429 )
      Yes, because people on the Internet tend to get on and complain how long their products last. /sarcasm Maybe you should actually look at how long consumer electronics from any company last instead of going for the easy karma.
    • by Pojut ( 1027544 )
      uh...some free conversion software and you can watch any video on your PSP, regardless of it's firmware...
    • Too bad GP2X [wikipedia.org] is only "open source" instead of open source:

      The GP2X firmware uses a significant amount of GNU GPL code, including MPlayer for its media functions and the Linux kernel for its OS. The GPL requires for the release of the source code to users of the binary application (i.e. GP2X users); however, the source code was not released when the GP2X was released to consumers.

      It's a fun little gadget with its own merits, yes. But on in personal belief system, on which everyone is entitled to their own, b
    • My PS2 lasted 5 years in harsh, dusty places. Finally, it broke down in January (no longer reads some discs), but still can play a few select PS2 games. Maybe I just got one out of the good batch or something, but it lasted quite long. Sure, compared to the NES, which still holds out after 20+ years, it's nothing; but I didn't expect such delicate components in the PS2 (DVD drive...) to last more than 2 years.
      • by LKM ( 227954 )
        Of course, my launch-day Gamecube, which has gotten heavy use (Mario Kart, Super Monkey Ball, Beach Strikers in a student flat), still works perfectly fine. On the other hand, my actual DVD players seem to die about once a year... Hopefully, my PS3 and Wii will stay alive longer than 5 years.
    • Oh, and don't get me started on the rootkit's Sony was installed on user's computers.

      Yeah, those bastard rootkits were ALWAYS installing Sony on my drives :P
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      • The PS3 seems (so far) to be the most reliable of the bunch. Everyone knows of the 360's red-ring problem, and the Wii has had some bricking issues with firmware updates and issues with graphical artifacts due either to a badly-applied heatsink or a faulty graphics chip (in fact, mine's currently in for repair for this issue.. :/ )

        The only widespread thing I've seen about the PS3 is that it'll crash if it runs too hot, but if you're not a dumbass and you actually give it some airflow, you won't have that is
  • You can't lose without competing.

    The whole thing is silly. Remember when Sony introduced a games machine more powerful than any other machine ever released in its form factor, which also cost more than any other machine ever released in that form factor, partially due to their decision to try to use it as a platform to promote their own media format and sell movies, and Nintendo released a much weaker games machine with an unusual interface that people thought was a gimmick, but it sold more than twice as
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      • by seebs ( 15766 )
        Agreed. For instance, the Gamecube came in third last gen, but still made money.

        By contrast, the PSP and PS3 do not appear to be particularly successful.

        The video game industry is more susceptible than many to feedback loops and network effects. Lower installed base means fewer games means lower installed base...
  • Even the DS has rumble [wikipedia.org].
  • I have both a DS and a PSP. I love them both, but they are completely different and I use them differently. The DS is great for quick gaming sessions you can pick it up and play for five minutes here and five minutes there. The PSP on the otherhand is for longer gaming sessions and has more console like games. I like the ability to play longer games in a mobile format, I can play without hogging the TV and its great for extended travelling. When I have a decent amount of time I always choose my PSP ove
    • by LKM ( 227954 )
      I also own both a PSP and a DS, and on a basic level, you're right. I use them for different things, too. However, I think Sony's excuse that "we're in a different market, and our market just happens to be smaller" is pretty cheap either way.
  • PSP vs. DS (Score:3, Insightful)

    by TheGeneration ( 228855 ) on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @12:42PM (#19412597) Journal
    I have a PSP. It is the most boring game device I have ever owned. I keep buying games for it, stupidly forgetting that all these games are just PS2 ports. I never enjoyed any PS2 games, why would I enjoy them on the PSP? You gotta hand it to Nintendo for creating a unique device and developing games specifically for that device.

    Nintendo clearly understands that if you create a fun form that when develop games that use that form you're going to end up with a fun exclusive that you can't get anywhere else.

    They did it with the DS, they did it with the Wii, and you could argue they did it with the analog stick on the N64.
  • 'The technology behind PSP is still top-end and so that doesn't need to be addressed'.

    ...but the interface and OS is god-awful: One lousey control stick and D-pad that are so poorly disigned that it makes gameplay frustrating and causes cramping after relatively short periods of use and the OS' menu layout is obnoxious and requires tedious clicking up and down long menus... not to mention every new firmware update (usually required by most new games) kills all homebrew apps.

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