Hints at the Future of the Xbox 360 Emerge 105
CES has brought out quite a bit of news, for subjects across the tech industry. The future of the Xbox 360 seems to a subject Microsoft can't talk enough about. Gates' keynote touched on new media partnerships for Live Marketplace, like the collaboration with Disney/ABC. A post-keynote email to several games writers noted that 2008 will be the company's year to capitalize on strong hardware and software sales from the holiday season, and that several as-yet-unannounced exclusive 360 titles are in the works. Fans of the platform might still have some anxiety this year; a rumour on the 1up site indicates Microsoft is already working on a game for the next-next-gen console to bear the Xbox name.
I Have Seen the Future (Score:5, Funny)
No longer concerned with rice and potable water, they will demand badges and strive to be atop a point ranking system. Several dictators will realize that equipping the outfits with actual weapons and removing the heads up helmets make them perfect mindless warriors with twitch movements that would put Ali to shame.
All hippie wii players will be destroyed in the great cleansing while PS3 players will live it out safely, unknowingly in their basements.
After that, the XBox 360 will be useless. Used and marketed in more ways than a Singapore whore, the XBox 360 will shave its head in a desperate cry for attention. Then it will start dropping babies all over the place and release an album with the title track ripping into Gates.
The XBox 360 will then spend the rest of eternity in the old consoles home with the NeoGeo, TurboGrafix 16 and Jaguar 32 playing pong and solitaire. Visiting hours will be from noon to 5pm Monday-Friday.
Re:I Have Seen the Future (Score:5, Informative)
**pets his Jaguar 64**
The Atari 32-bit system was the Panther, get it right.
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Re:I Have Seen the Future (Score:5, Funny)
Will it come complete with a month's supply of burn cream?
Next-Next-Gen (Score:5, Funny)
Can't we just start calling the current consoles "current gen"?
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Bollocks!!! (Score:1)
Saying that the current gen remains so until it dies is the EXACT same as saying people born in the 1940s are the "current generation" just because they are still alive!
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Bah! I think my Atari 2600 still works, even though it is in my attic. You kids and your realistic graphics, bah. In my time, we had ET and... well honestly, we hated it. Bah again.
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now what i wnat is imaginable graphics - you know. where the image isn't real.. itis all in your imagination..
then we can jsut sell a black painted brick with a crome stripe to people and tell them to start playing and the imaginable graphics will knock them on their asses....
if they call and complain that it doesn't work then we inform them it is user error.. and that they need to
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(Also known as the original 8-bit Nintendo Entertainment System)
Doesn't change the fact that I now own a Wii.... It's not "next gen" any more, because it's on the market now. They aren't still selling *new* PS2s. Whether games are still being made or not is irrelevant. They aren't still making them, therefore it's not still the current generation.
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sure they are. its just called the pstwo now. big box stores have them for 129.
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While I don't speak for Sony, it's not exactly in their best interest to keep building them, as that detracts from PS3 production.
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I'd take that as a sign that they're still making them.
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Yes they are [amazon.com].
Last/Current/Next/Latest Generation vocab aside, the PS2 has built an enormous library of titles and new titles continue to be released for it. PS2s will remain on many store shelves for some time to come. There are quite possibly still more PS2s out there, functioning, and connected to TVs (not packed away in a closet) than all 3 "new gen" consoles combined. It's in decline, to be sure, game studios have finally (and very recently) begun shifting th
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I have exponentially more titles I still play on NES compared to my PS2. Is PS2 "next gen" still?
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Can't we just start calling the current consoles "current gen"?
No! Because then you give up the idea that these devices are The Future(tm), which is much more exciting than admitting that they are nothing more than the boring old Present.
The "next gen" will only become "current gen" when the companies selling these things want us to get excited about their next product that will be out in a year.
Let me get this straight... (Score:5, Funny)
This is truly remarkable news.
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Once those in the first category are dead, those in the second category have been killed through anticompetitive practices and those in the third category have been bought, then it stops colla
Where does it leave the PC? (Score:1)
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Doubtful, PC gaming has had it's ups and downs, I think the real problem now is software quality in games has leveled off and market saturation is taking effect. PC games still have MMO's, RPG's, FPS and racing, it's just more cross platform.
How can you say the last year has been bad for PC gaming? You'd have to be pretty out of the loop, thats for sure.
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Re:Where does it leave the PC? (Score:5, Informative)
first off, it had been like 10 years since the release of doom 2, which as we all know doom to be a very popular old time favorite for many of us. on the other hand, far cry was never as popular, and even though it was pretty fun, had nothing new to bring to plate that we hadn't already seen in the likes of halflife and whatnot
second, most people's PCs can run crysis, but at the Low settings. the low settings make the game look exactly like farcry, so whats the point.
third, there's just nothing else notable about crysis besides the graphics (if you have the hardware for it). And even there its only for the effects, take a look at call of duty 4: sure the graphics aren't near crysis, but the presentation is tremendously powerful and makes it work.
fourth, the single player in crysis was fun, kinda, but really really short. combine that with a poorly designed multiplayer and you have a game with no longevity. in essence you have a 50 dollar sink hole for anyone except those who have a powerful new computer.
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Unless you're on AMD, you are going to need a pretty fast processor to meet the minimum specs. My Girlfriend's brand new intel core duo laptop is not up to par... she runs vista so her dual 2 ghz
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Which is not surprising given that game developers have over-saturated the market with FPS clones for some time now, the industry has done it to itself.
Supreme commander sold well enough to engender an expansion and talk of a second game. One star falls, anothers rises. Must be something to do with not flooding the market with crap people don't want to pay for maybe? hmm.. I think so! Just because dev's/pubs make a game does not mean I am obligated to buy it just b
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You do realize that the Xbox 360 and Wii came out when they did because their predecessors stopped selling, right? Consumers said they had enough of the Xbox and GameCube, hence the need for the newer systems. The PS2 was t
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Notice your first and second sentence, now ask you self *why* the ps2 is selling and why sony *needed* to release the PS3. The PS3 was to be released because they knew they had to release it, otherwise their competitors would release something else. The PS2 won the last console war BECAUSE it had all the good games. There was no actual *nee
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It's true that FPS games are now selling better on the console (I can only imagine because these are the kinds of games that require a great GPU), but for every other genera, the PC is doing better than ever.
In the last couple of years the PC had games that put anything on the consoles to shame; stuff like The Witcher, WoW: TBC, Company of Heroes, Galactic Civilizations 2, The Orange Box, etc, not to mention Oblivion, CnC3, Bioshock, which were better (gameplay
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Consoles were originally about selling hardware at a price point regular PC couldn't compete with, that is their only advantage, we cheap powerful PC reach that price point consoles are a dead end. Why limit yourself to a toy when you can get full free choice with a Linux PC.
Neat. (Score:1)
Sounds neat. The real question is, will they be controlling it with one of these [newscientist.com]?
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Fill in the lineup gaps (Score:5, Interesting)
One is fighting games. These are really popular despite not really having "progressed" much in something like a decade (even more for some subgenres). Don't give fans a sub-par Guilty Gear and a Dead or Alive and leave it at that. Give folks a *solid* 2D fighter. A Smash Bros competitor couldn't hurt, either, since as fantastic as that series is, it's all too easy to improve on.
Another is JRPGs. Even Americans play these, believe it or not (duh, PS2 RPGs sell brilliantly here after all), and you don't need to be a Japanese developer to whip these up. You just need good art direction and the rest will fall into place assuming the combat system isn't a total disaster. One shoddy attempt with Dragonball Z character design doesn't cut it.
Thirdly, where are the platformers? We got Kameo early on, but that's it! I know Rare can't be bothered to make many games anymore, but there are certainly other developers that can be asked to do the job.
The way things are now are good enough for the 360, but I would rather see less of a total saturation of shooters and rubbish racing games and a bit more diversity in the upcoming game lineup.
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Mass Effect [wikipedia.org] is also amazing. It's North American, but I think it still appeals to fans of JRPGs.
For platformers, The Simpsons Game [wikipedia.org] is surprisingly decent. The real strength of the game is its humourous writing, but platformer fans should similarly find the gameplay familiar but still interesting. Give it a tr
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Mass Effect is also amazing. It's North American, but I think it still appeals to fans of JRPGs.
Usually, no, WRPG don't appeal as much to JRPG fans. ...). Thus why it appeals to the heavy FPS friendly XB360 user base.
Besides, Mass Effect is more yet another third person shooter with RPG elements (like dialog trees, levels, skills,
And these kind of games usually don't appeal to JRPG fans. In fact, they are completely different style of games.
The problem is not WRPG, as XB360 has those and they sell, it's specifically JRPG, that bomb very hard on it.
And this despite being published by MS, paid for by M
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It's not "JRPG"s that bomb on the 360 I'd say but "bad games" on the whole. Whether they
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Mass Effect is not "yet another third person shooter with RPG elements." You either have a very narrow definition of "RPG" all the way down to the combat system, or you haven't played the game, or both. Mass Effect is a real-time RPG with a 3rd person shooter *combat system.*
Excuse me? you just described a third person shooter with RPG elements. Thanks!
"real time RPG"? That doesn't even mean anything.
Anyway, the argument was that it had nothing to do with a JRPG, and uh, it doesn't, any way you look at it.
There is a japanese SRPG with optional 3rd party shooter stages, but more in a RPG like fashion, not like Mass Effect. Perhaps that will work better with the XB360 user base.
It's not "JRPG"s that bomb on the 360 I'd say but "bad games" on the whole.
Bad games that happen to be all JRPG. OK right, whatever...
Blue Dragon was simply not a good enough game. Eternal Sonata is somewhat esoterically designed and it was hardly marketed as far as I could tell. When a *good* JRPG, something on the level of FFXII or a Golden Sun makes its way onto the 360 and despite being marketed does poorly, then your generalization would certainly have some weight to it. For now I believe it is unfounded.
Except that Blue Dragon was directed by t
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Excuse me? you just described a third person shooter with RPG elements. Thanks!
"real time RPG"? That doesn't even mean anything.
If the combat system is enough for you to classify a game by genre and simply regard the rest of the gameplay as "additional elements" then
a) you're arguing from a position that's not common to most folks, especially w.r.t. RPGs
b) you make me laugh because at the same time you don't what 'real-time RPG' means. Let me help you out: it means 'not turn-based' with regards to combat. Morrowind as opposed to Mario RPG, for instance.
As for Blue Dragon, that game was also marketed terribly in the US. Halo, Gears,
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If the combat system is enough for you to classify a game by genre and simply regard the rest of the gameplay as "additional elements" then
a) you're arguing from a position that's not common to most folks, especially w.r.t. RPGs
b) you make me laugh because at the same time you don't what 'real-time RPG' means. Let me help you out: it means 'not turn-based' with regards to combat. Morrowind as opposed to Mario RPG, for instance.
OK right. And I can tell the sole reason people are even calling this game a RPG, is because it's made by Bioware. The game plays and feels exactly like a 3rd person shooter, when you move or when you combat.
With a cover system... OK, and I'm the one arguing from a position not common to most folks w.r.t. RPGs.
Just tell me it's made by Bioware, try to be honest at least.
I don't want to argue this with you anyway, except that it has nothing to do in replacement of a JRPG.
As for Blue Dragon, that game was also marketed terribly in the US. Halo, Gears, Mass Effect -- these games had a presence in retail stores. They had pre-orders being collected. They had TV ads on non-VG-dedicated channels. Blue Dragon, not so much. Besides that, it wasn't good enough to become a "sleeper hit" the way some other poorly-marketed-but-good games do. It just wasn't.
OK right. But I can tell you every
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As for what JRPGs might succeed/fail on the 360, that's open to speculation. Certainly a good Final Fant
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"Give folks a *solid* 2D fighter"
Why? There isn't enough market to justify the cost. Fighting games have become a niche market since the death of the arcade. They are too twitchy to perform well over the Internet, it is boring against the AI, and it is hard to find competitive matches among friends.
"Another is JRPGs."
Take out Final Fantasy and you won't see many JRPGs in the list of best selling video games. [wikipedia.org]
"The way things are now are good enough for the 360, but I would rather see less of
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There isn't enough market to justify the cost
An announcement of KI3 would erase any such sentiment, I'd say. Also, Smash Bros made an absolute killing on the Gamecube. So, I disagree. It's about the game, not the genre.
Take out Final Fantasy
You'd have to take out FF, Kingdom Hears, and Dragonquest. And the point isn't to create blockbuster hits to dethrone GTA, it's to diversify a game lineup to keep folks from getting a PS2 and sticking with just a 360.
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the 360 is certainly the best system now, and it's sure humbled an arrogant Sony, but the Japanese are better at this, and I think that's ok. German cars and Japanese electronics. The best thing for you and me is for there to be three strong competing console brands,
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Take out Final Fantasy and you won't see many JRPGs in the list of best selling video games.
I guess that's true if you ignore the Number 1 best selling game, and 4 others in the top 20. Hate to inform you of this but Pokemon is a JRPG (look at your own references break down by genre). So as it turns out 6 of the top 20 best selling Console games are JRPGs. Heck take out Gran Turismo and Mario and you end up with the majority of the top 20 being JRPGs.
Sports, shooters, and racing dominate console sales.
Again using your own reference the top 20 contains 4 racing games (all Gran Turismo), no shooters and no sports games. I'm all about people havi
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More to your point - XBox Live Arcade games are what differentiate the XBox 360 from other consoles. I've probably bought as many Arcade games as I have full games.
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Actually, they don't sell very well here. The top handful of them do, but once you get past that, sales aren't very good. There is a reason the vast majority of them never see life outside of Japan.
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The 360 would benefit a bit from filling in gaps that other consoles currently do.
More easily said than done. Most of the different genres hits come from Japanese companies, which is why MS needed Japan so much. All the western devs know how to do are FPS/TPS, racers and sports (and not even all of them).
One is fighting games. These are really popular despite not really having "progressed" much in something like a decade
That's your flawed opinion though. The Dairantou (Smash Bros) series proves you wrong anyway.
Don't give fans a sub-par Guilty Gear and a Dead or Alive and leave it at that. Give folks a *solid* 2D fighter.
Once again, a japanese company, Capcom, may grant your wish.
A Smash Bros competitor couldn't hurt, either, since as fantastic as that series is, it's all too easy to improve on.
Yet another flawed opinion. You bet if it was so easy, someone else would have done it already. Instead, the next Dai Rantou is sti
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I'm well aware of the RPGs released so far on all consoles, and I know how poorly Blue Dragon did. That it's *not really a good game* isn't to blame, though, is it? ~_^ As for correcting me that
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Anyway, to say that the JRPG game design needs to draw on Japanese culture, well that's a rather baseless claim. For success in Japan, that may help (though to say the absense would hurt is merely an assumption), but for success in the US and Europe, hardly.
Any amount of knowledge of japanese culture would show you otherwise as for the "baseless claim". And the previous japanese hits that were released outside Japan weren't tailored for western audience, except for the usual censorship.
I'm well aware of the RPGs released so far on all consoles, and I know how poorly Blue Dragon did. That it's *not really a good game* isn't to blame, though, is it? ~_^
It's strange, really. Every XB360 owner that has this game want to tout it as the best JRPG of its kind.
But when I hear every other XB360 owner that don't want this game, they all say it's a bad game.
Myself, I wouldn't buy this game, I think it's a poor DQ clone, but I would n
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I'm not going to argue numbers with you and how much of a future Microsoft's gaming division has. It
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For starters, I know a lot more about Japanese culture than you'd think. I also know that it has basically no bearing on how well a Japanese-developed game does outside of Japan. The term "JRPG" doesn't need to imply a cultural theme, and usually doesn't. Just because JRPGs can draw on specifically Japanese culture doesn't mean they do or that it is this cultural infusion that drives their commercial success.
Wow! And as you resort to name calling, excuse me if I avoid a troll like you from now on.
I shouldn't even have answered the constant strawmen you put in all your posts.
I see you love putting words in other peoples mouth. And you call me disingenuous.
In case you didn't notice, I saw your scheme from the start.
I'm not going to argue numbers with you and how much of a future Microsoft's gaming division has. It's not even the point of this discussion.
It wasn't mine either. My point was, as far as we got, the sole future of JRPG genre on the XB360.
As for the last bit of your response, you really ought to be ashamed of yourself. First you claim that Western devs can only make shooters, racers, and sports games.
That's what they do best is what I said, yes.
A subjective and baseless claim. I provide counterexamples with commercially and critically successful games from RPG and RTS genres, but that goes right over your head and you assume I'm talking only about sheer numbers when those games have set standards for their respective genres or sub-genres as far as all developers across the world are concerned.
Yeah, a 10 years old RTS and 7 years old RPG which is
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That's what they do best is what I said, yes.
You're not only trying to just hide behind your own wording rather than admit that you were just plain wrong, but you also forget what you said! Here it is again:
All the western devs know how to do are FPS/TPS, racers and sports (and not even all of them).
Let me remind you that it was this nonsensical statement that bothered me in the first place. And it's completel
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If there are many 2d fighters for the 360, then they certainly aren't marketed well. But I'd say there just aren't many at all. Killer Instinct 3 would make headlines and the cover of every gaming magazine. A proper port of Melty Blood couldn't hurt, and like I said before a Smash competitor would be nice. People complain about the D-Pad, but it's just fine for me as a DOA player, and something like Smash doesn't use
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Anxiety? Ummm OK... (Score:5, Insightful)
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So if there is going to be one, and you want to win it, you better start thinking about games that will help you win it now.
Sounds simple enough.
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Promises of swimming while neck-deep in mud (Score:1, Insightful)
my ps3 broke (Score:1, Offtopic)
It is going to be fixed under warranty.
At least I haven't heard of things going back to Sony 2, 3 or 4 times like I have heard of it happening with Microsoft. When that crap happens it tells me that they know they have a problem and know that they don't have a solution other than to replace it and cross their fingers.
Hopefully when I get my PS3 back it won't have to go back again.
Also, all of this talk about Bl
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Morons might have some anxiety over this. High profile games take years to develop, particularly when they're trying to meet a tentative launch date of a console that doesn't even have firm hardware specs in place.
The original Xbox was cut short because 1) it was a money losing platform for Microsoft and 2) because Microsoft saw launching before the PS3 as crucial to their success. While Microsoft is still having trouble making the 360 profitable, it's doing significantly better than the original Xbox was. As for #2, Microsoft is in no hurry to beat out the other two machines, which are only a year old right now and probably won't be replaced for at least another 4 years, at which point the 360 would be 6 years old.
You can practically guarantee that the 360 has, at the very least, 3 more years of life before Microsoft decides to replace it.
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You can practically guarantee that the 360 has, at the very least, 3 more years of life before Microsoft decides to replace it.
I imagine it'll be much longer than 3 years.
Remember all the fuss when MS launched the Xbox360 and everyone complained that they'd kicked off the next gen of consoles too early just to gain some market share?
The result has been poorly utilized processing power in the Xbox360 and PS3 because there wasn't enough lead time for developers. I don't think anyone really wants that to happen again.
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It's my firm belief the last generation was cut short by at LEAST a year before it needed to be, the PS2, GC and Xbox all were quite capable of outputting some fairly nice graphics in their final days, also 2 of the 3 had network capability, 2 of them could hold full DVD sized data (9gb) they had digital audio out (in most cases) supported 5.1 audio or pro logic 1 / 2 and all 3 could (in most cases) output via comp
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The Xbox 360 and PS3 both do look nice, no doubt but I don't think the leap was that great.
The graphical capabilities of both new HD consoles is obviously better but is it leaps and bounds better?
We're not just upping the ante with texture detail, polygons, quantity of multi-textures per surface, we're also increasing the resolution which impacts us 4x slower (well approximately)
I'll let someone else chime in for the 360, but the PS3 is quite a gigantic leap from a PS2, as far as features are concerned anyway.
It's really a beast if you compare the two. Hard drive, PS2 built in, bluetooth controllers standard, BT headset available, ethernet & wireless built in, plays one of the contending DVD replacements.
Graphically, I don't know what you're looking for, but at least compare the first year of PS2 titles to the current PS3 titles to be somewhat fair. The earlier games are rar
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The original Xbox was on the market for 4 years before Microsoft cut it off. Correct me if I misunderstand you, but if you think last gen should have lasted at least another year, you're saying the Xbox should have made it to at least 5 years. That's exactly what I said. The Xbox 360 is now 2 years old. If it lasts an
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I honestly don't even want to HEAR about next gen consoles for another 24 months, this transition online has been epic, the flame wars, speculation, discussion, hype, articles over the past 36 months in the gaming arena have been,.. fra
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Actually most of us 'hardcore' gamers would still like to see longer periods between consoles.
Casuals too...
It's my firm belief the last generation was cut short by at LEAST a year before it needed to be, the PS2, GC and Xbox all were quite capable of outputting some fairly nice graphics in their final days, also 2 of the 3 had network capability, 2 of them could hold full DVD sized data (9gb) they had digital audio out (in most cases) supported 5.1 audio or pro logic 1 / 2 and all 3 could (in most cases) output via component in progressive scan, infact there was a small selection of high definition games to boot.
Even if not a belief, everyone knows the last generation was cut short by MS. Besides, none of the competitors gave in, though Sony could have lasted 2 years more, but it was too dangerous for them.
And all three consoles had network capability and 5.1 audio, some through SPDIF, others through Dolby Prologic II.
The Xbox obviously couldn't for financial reasons, this doesn't change the fact ,...that sucks for us - it was by far the most powerful console and some of it's top end games just looked great
The XB360 has as many financial problems, and a powerful console or games that look great are useless : you need fun games.
I'd much prefer 'milking' my dollar out with 6 / 7 or even 8 year cycles, this also ensures the next console is damn well NEXT gen.
The only thing that ensures a console is NEXT gen is if it'
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And all three consoles had network capability and 5.1 audio, some through SPDIF, others through Dolby Prologic II.
I wouldn't call the Gamecube's PL II 'proper' 5.1 to be honest, you might but it's not.
The only thing that ensures a console is NEXT gen is if it's out in the next generation. The number of years in a cycle have nothing to do with a generation. Like, all your kids are by definition the next generation, it doesn't depend on when you give birth to them. Well, almost...
What I meant was simply more next gen, it was an attempt to emphasize the word.
Likely be a larger jump, more features, etc.
I don't care about the semantics of next gen, technically the Wii is next gen (well current gen but you know what I mean) - I would argue it's not 'next gen' at all.
Ultimately my point is the Xbox 360 and PS3 could've had an even larger leap if they kept them in the oven a bit longer.
We're not just upping the ante with texture detail, polygons, quantity of multi-textures per surface, we're also increasing the resolution which impacts us 4x slower (well approximately)
We're already
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I'm learning how to use the quote feature of slashdot, why does submit need to be 3.1 pixels from preview?
And all three consoles had network capability and 5.1 audio, some through SPDIF, others through Dolby Prologic II.
I wouldn't call the Gamecube's PL II 'proper' 5.1 to be honest, you might but it's not.
The only thing that ensures a console is NEXT gen is if it's out in the next generation. The number of years in a cycle have nothing to do with a generation. Like, all your kids are by definition the next generation, it doesn't depend on when you give birth to them. Well, almost...
What I meant was simply more next gen, it was an attempt to emphasize the word.
Likely be a larger jump, more features, etc.
I don't care about the semantics of the term 'next gen', technically the Wii is next gen (well current gen but you know what I mean) - I would argue it's not 'next gen
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I totally agree that it's ridiculous...At least the return program is pretty easy to deal with?
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I like the 360, but it's a flawed system.
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