World of Warcraft - Wrath Of the Lich King Is In Alpha 303
simrook writes to tell us that World of Warcraft's second expansion, Wrath of the Lich King, has entered closed alpha testing, as reported by WoWInsider. Wrath of the Lich King, which we've discussed previously, will raise the level cap to 80 and introduce a new class: Death Knights. World of Warcraft remains the most popular MMORPG on the market with over 10 million subscribers. WoWInsider notes, "Various players are being invited to check it out, under a strict NDA."
level 80 (Score:5, Insightful)
i mean i hear all the time how easy 60-70 is, supposedly, but man it's a pain if you're a casual player like myself. 62 and i need 600k to level or whatever. i have lost my motivation to play much.
Disclaimer: I'm not an MMORPG fan (Score:2, Insightful)
But how is this news? So it's getting closer to release... it was closer to release yesterday than it was the day before, too.
If it was an open alpha, that would be different. But nothing really changes, apart from increase hype from stories like this.
If you're in the closed alpha, I think there's a good chance you already know and hence this news article is old news. Hell, they're probably never going to see it, since they're probably playing it even now.
To those who AREN'T in the closed alpha this can only serve as a tool to help those who are flaunt their exclusivity.
In short: I don't see the point? Well, other than it's WoW and has made Blizzard billions of dollars.
The Games section actually exists?! (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm glad to see Games stories like this making something of a comeback, but after checking the front page, a front page story on an alpha release of an MMORPG? Seriously?
I'd love to see stories like this limited to the Games section, but a front page story seems a bit much.
On an ontopic note, I wonder if this new expansion will get me interested in playing again. Probably not - I kind of ground myself out of MMORPGs. I've found that, if I'm forced to grind, I like portable games much better. I can grab the DS or PSP and grind for 10 minutes during lunch break or some downtime at home, but I can't manage the several hour commitment that an MMORPG requires.
I kind of wish some other company would do something interesting in the MMORPG space, but then I remember the Sony's "NGE" and the ever-so-innovative Square Enix "you can't pick your server" system and realize it's probably just as well Blizzard remains on top.
But even so, I'm still basically WoWed out, expansion or not.
Re:Disclaimer: I'm not an MMORPG fan (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:No permadeath (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:No permadeath (Score:5, Insightful)
Not too mention that many of WoW's encounters almost guarantee you will die the first try or second try until you get your strategy down (especially in instances and raiding).
Re:No permadeath (Score:5, Insightful)
OK, first off "it works in Counter-Strike" isn't a fair assessment. It's not a permadeath for a character that you've poured days/weeks/months of your life into.
it would prevent the game from getting stale - guess what? when your character dies you have to (*gasp*) PLAY THE SAME GAME OVER AGAIN! How is that NOT stale? In a permadeath situation you get to relevel in the same leveling spots, with the same quests, and grind the same bullshit you were grinding before.
solve the grind problem - do you even know what the "grind problem" is? Removing the grind is the only way to solve the grind problem. Permadeath is only going to cause characters to (*gasp*) grind to their original level AGAIN! That's just grind-tastic.
it works for Nethack - because Nethack is built around a game mechanic that makes it unique from World of Warcraft: the entire game is a random dungeon. World of Warcraft is a static world (aside from the expansion packs). If Nethack was the same dungeon, with the same monsters, the same story, the same items, the same skills, it would become very tedious to play.
it works for a variety of MUDs - people who play these MUDs are fucking psychotic.
it worked in almost all pencil-and-paper RPGs - because you didn't play the same campaign over and over and over again. If you did play the same campaign with different characters until you beat it, you a) missed the point of having multiple campaigns and b) have a serious OCD problem. Oh, and c) never experienced having your level 19 warlock die at the hands of a bastard GM.
Unless you change the core mechanics and introduce a random story generation algorithm, Permadeath would be the single most mind-numbingly annoying thing you could introduce into a modern game.
1984 called, they wanted to let you know that the gaming industry left you behind.
Time to sign up ... again (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:No permadeath (Score:3, Insightful)
No, even if you had permadeath (like that's a fun idea in an RPG that takes hundreds of hours to get through), you'd still get bored of the same old content, and want something new.
Re:losing interest (Score:5, Insightful)
However, it's the social aspect that makes it fun. It's the same idea as a family vacation; the importance is the shared experience. By insulating yourself from the social interactions in the game, you've essentially lost the real reason most people find the game to be fun.
In summary: the social aspect is what makes the game fun. The rest of the game is there merely to provide context for the social interactions.
Re:Death Knight? (Score:3, Insightful)
Logically the Scourge is its own faction, but I think the Horde/Alliance dichotomy is so hardwired into the WoW codebase, it'd be impossible to add a third faction.
Re:in other blizzard news (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:No permadeath (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:level 80 (Score:5, Insightful)
But it is, as someone said, a social game. You really won't have much to do unless you make friends in the game (or you're a healer, which means everyone is your friend). It sounds hackneyed, but in WoW the journey is the reward, especially in co-operative play. You will meet a lot of assholes in WoW (especially on PvP servers), but you will meet a lot of really good people as well.
If you ask people what their best memory of WoW is, they won't usually say something like "When I finally got my ghosthacker helmet", but rather "Remember that time when Wilbert aggroed 3 rooms of monsters and we still didn't die".
You are playing the right way when you log on and immediately get loads of tells asking how you are and if you want to do something. I stopped because I didn't have time, but I still keep in contact with many of the friends I made in the game.
Re:Time to sign up ... again (Score:5, Insightful)
Crack: $25 / hit lasting 10-15 minutes, and then you want another. Try holding a job when the urinalysis shows you a drug addict. Try caring about buying food when your entire body is twanging for the next hit. Try keeping a family when you steal and pawn your wife's wedding ring just for another dose. Do you have any friends? Do you know the expression "crack whore"?
Unless you turn tricks for $15 to pay for your Warcraft "addiction", you're not addicted. World of Warcraft is not just like Crack, and anybody who seriously claims it is should go and volunteer in a real rehab center for a full day. You don't have an addiction, you have a hobby. Learn some god-damned perspective, you molly-coddled children.
Re:No permadeath (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Time to sign up ... again (Score:1, Insightful)
MMORPG addiction just happens to use 'time' as it's currency vice cash for crack, just as smoking trades in health. MMORPG addicts regularly trade time with families, friends, jobs, etc to play just a little longer, or log in just that one more time to see what's happening; long after it's become enjoyable, the addicts are killing the dragon for the 100th time to get set some bit in a database.
I am in the healthcare field as a 911 paramedic in a large metropolitan run area, I do see the worst sorts of addictions - while the MMORPG addict may or may not have an easier road to recovery due to little actual physical damage, the neurological addictive impulses are the same, and with all due respect to the emotion your post displays, I believe your perspective is the one which needs to be adjusted.
Re:Time to sign up ... again (Score:5, Insightful)
You know being addicted to something doesn't mean you have to be a ragged homeless person wandering the streets looking for a a fix. There are millions of people who are addicted to alcohol/cigarettes/prescription drugs/gambling/etc who are highly functional. They have a job, an active social life, wife/husband, kids etc. But they can still be addicted to something. If anyone has a "childish" view of addiction it's you.
Re:Time to sign up ... again (Score:5, Insightful)
YOU tell me there is no such thing as being ADDICTED to WoW...
WoW is might not be all it's crack(ed) up to be, but it's not excactly innocuous either. Especially for people with naturally addictive personalities...
Re:Disclaimer: I'm not an MMORPG fan (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:HOBBY? WoW is NOT a hobby! (Score:2, Insightful)
I mean, are you seriously contending that building model railways is not a hobby or that it is something more than an "entertaining waste of time"?
If it is not a hobby, then your definition of a hobby is quite different from what most people use it as.
In the end, passing time (and wind) is what life is about. The universe does not pass value judgments on the way you spend your life.
Your perception of reality is what determines whether you are living life or squandering it.
That said, IMHO, playing WoW is worse than having a meaningful relationship with another person, and better than drinking yourself into a stupor every weekend in the hopes of finding a meaningful relationship with someone.
Re:level 80 (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:in other blizzard news (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:No permadeath (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:No permadeath (Score:5, Insightful)
Funny how you seem to know all the secrets to making a MMORPG "fun and interesting and genuinely massive", yet none of the companies that make these games can figure it out. When are you releasing your amazing new MMO so I can experience your great work?
Re:No permadeath (Score:4, Insightful)
Death needs consequence if you want people to avoid dying.
I agree that the result of a world having no consequences to dying is absolute absurdity, however, most players seem to think that consequences to dying kills fun, and as long as the masses think that, no game will be as popular as wow without having carefree deaths.
Re:No permadeath (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:No permadeath (Score:2, Insightful)
> losses when the odds are only 50/50.
Ironically, this is highly realistic. One poster on their boards even has the
A fair fight you barely win = disastrous losses for your side. And half the time you'll lose completely. It is not the situation to be in in a fight, only barely more acceptable than going into overwhelming odds.
In the Battle of Britain, I think they considered 30% loss rate in an air battle to be unacceptably high, yet they were in such dire straits they exceeded even that, going nuts on zergling production.
Re:No permadeath (Score:3, Insightful)
I'd love to see a hardcore realm then. I don't even play PVP, but I think it'd be an interesting game. Unfortunately I also think it'd be full of nothing but Holy Paladins with a bubblehearth macro on a hotkey.
Re:Time to sign up ... again (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:No permadeath (Score:4, Insightful)
WoW works for the exact opposite reasons. Its centrally controlled, quests and mobs are in-game, etc.
Dont get me wrong. ToA sounds like heaven to me, but you need some serious role-players and people dedicated to running this thing well. I doubt your average WoW player could fill those shoes. I would imagine this would only work with lots of "players" who were actually employees and some pretty strict filtering, censorship, and lots of bans and kicks.
Re:No permadeath (Score:3, Insightful)
I think he means 'gunk' as in 'you didn't get the really shit attempt at a joke'.
Re:No permadeath (Score:4, Insightful)
2: Who said it was a secret? City of Heroes was designed to be an amusement park. World of Warcraft was designed to be "warcrack." These were choices made by those companies, for justifiable fiscal reasons. The only possible thing that could keep either Blizzard or NCSoft or CCP from doing an immersive, player-driven PvE game is the likelihood of failure in trying something new.