Future Blu-ray Movies To Come With Playable Game Demos 170
Audiofan writes "Enthusiasts have long suggested the PlayStation 3 to their family and friends as one of the better and most affordable Blu-ray players. Lately, prices of Blu-ray players have been coming down, but the PS3 is still one of the better options out there. Sony is taking advantage of this by starting to offer game demos on their Blu-ray offerings. While these demos will only be playable on the PS3, they hope the extra value will help drive sales."
Right on, Sony! (Score:2)
Great idea! This'll be bigger than UMD Vide... oh...
Nevermind...
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I just want to play for 1h so game demos are great (Score:3, Insightful)
This is awesome. Most game demos have to give you enough to wet your appetite for more. Most of the time you can realize the game would suck, but the demo usually has a few redeeming qualities making the 30 minutes that you play the demo rewarding and entertaining.
So: I'm all for it.
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Although, the recent trend has been to release a early beta and when you run into problems they say its beta and it will be fixed in the commercial release.
I'm so over these stupid shiny plastic discs (Score:4, Interesting)
I really hope that bluray is the last of this shiny plastic disc phenomenon. I had a somewhat respectable VHS collection, then amassed a healthy DVD collection, jumped on the HD-DVD bandwagon with the HD player add-on for the 360 before that battle was lost, and now I've got about the same number of bluray discs.
We've been told time and again, when you buy an album, or a copy of a movie, you don't *own* that copy, you have merely licensed it. So I'm not allowed to make a backup for personal use of the copy of my license, when the new format comes out, I have to buy a new "license" for the IP I have already licensed.... I am sooo ready to simply "license" movies via a Netflix like subscription service....I'll pay $20/month (less than the cost of 2 premium cable TV channels) if I can "rent" any movie I like on the fly. I've already got a 20 Mb/s internet connection, and with DOCSIS 3.0 coming to my area next year, should be fast enough to stream reasonably compressed HD content. No more need to buy and keep track of fragile little discs...or have to re-purchase when the next format comes out 12 years later.
I'm just over it.
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You'd be better off just keeping the old 'players' around and not jumping on every new bandwagon that rolls into town. You can still buy decent combined DVD/VHS players so its won't likely take up too much space on that front. I'm sure you've still got your 360 around and likely a PS3. So I don't see why you have to replace an
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You are correct. I still have about 200 VHS titles and lots of VHS-C home movies. As long as I've got a VCR, those movies will be mine to watch and view whenever I feel like it. No need to upgrade.
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>>>jumped on the HD-DVD bandwagon
That's your own dumb fault. If you had been smart (like me ;-) ), you would have patiently waited for the BD and HDDVD war to be over. I learned that early on, when I bought Betamax instead of VHS. Better to wait to see who has won.
Re:I'm so over these stupid shiny plastic discs (Score:4, Interesting)
Do you really think it's going to work that way? You think studios are just going to give up the lucrative model they have now just so you can pay a small flat fee for all-you can-eat? No, let me tell you how it would REALLY work if they got rid of those "shiny discs": It would be exactly the same as it is now, with you paying $20-$25 per movie, only now you would only get a downloaded copy which you couldn't then resell or loan to a friend. The end.
And that is why you should PRAY that those shiny discs stick around.
When you upscale an artifact (Score:2)
What I don't understand is why you can't simply play your DVDs on your Blu-Ray player?
The larger, sharper TVs used with a Blu-ray Disc player show larger, sharper artifacts that in fact were always in the DVD media. When you upscale an artifact, all you get is a bigger artifact.
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My God. It's full of stars!
Good for Sony (Score:2)
PS3 *CAN* be used as a DVR (Score:5, Informative)
just about the only thing you can't do with a PS3 is use it as a DVR.
This might be true in the US, but in other regions the PlayTV [wikipedia.org] hardware add-on enables you to do exactly that. PlayTV allows you to watch live free-to-air TV and HDTV through the PS3, and record those programs to the PS3's hard drive. I bought the PlayTV add-on (I'm in the UK) as it was cheaper than buying a standalone DVR for free-to-air broadcasts, and have found it to be easier to use and far more reliable than the standalone alternatives available here
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It doesn't work with Freesat though, does it? I can't get Freeview in my flat, and there isn't enough room inside for an internal aerial big enough - the whole building is wired for Freesat though. And why can't the iPlayer download to the harddrive like on PC or Mac? And why is the PS3 fan so loud?
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I also have the PlayTV..
You forgot to mention few other usefull features...
a) the recorded stuff is in standard MPEG format (for sd) and is already in the right stream format for burning to DVD-Video without transcoding.
b) it seems to already support AVC/Mp4 and only requires a software update (maybe already provided)
c) two tuners, record one program watch another. Though it would be nice if it can also record two at the same time.... probably a software update (i dont think there is a restriction based on
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one more thing. ITs recorded as a Mp2 TS, so the entire stream is recorded, including subtitles stream, and alternative Audio streams.
Damn, I read Futurama... (Score:2)
That would have been awesome, Futurama blu-Ray with playable Game Demo...but NO! ;-/
Awesome! (Score:2)
They will go on the shelf next to all those dvds with the action viewable from different camera angles and lots of alternate endings and stuff we were promised when the same kind of idiots in suits were selling us a new more profitable format.
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You'll get a feature limited demo of our crappy sweatshop game, with ads on all the loading screens(also present in $60 full version and $80 non-resellable-DLC-fuck-you-gamestop edition), on the same disk as the average movie tie in.
And by god, you'll like it(or we'll blame piracy).
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Re:Too easy... (Score:4, Funny)
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Most people outside of slashdot probably have a vague idea [trojancondoms.com].
Re:Too easy... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Too easy... (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Too easy... (Score:4, Funny)
Wasn't so unbreakable after all, was is?
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Apparently it was. You may want to remember that the Greeks didn't win by breaking the wall.
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The Greeks built the horse. The Trojans were dumb enough to haul it inside the city walls.
Paris, prince of Troy, started the whole bloody war when he seduced the already married Helen of Sparta.
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Yeah - typical Greek view. He seduced her like she got no say in the matter. More likely she was just tired of being married to some old king who obviously wasn't a very nice person as he was willing to kill his own daughter to please Poseidon. Personally I just attribute the whole affair to Eris, she of the Golden Apple (Hail Eris!)
Anyway, we should enjoy our Greek Myth while we can. Hollywood is about to butcher them [imdb.com] yet again.
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Young man, the original Clash of the Titans was one of the finest films ever made.
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That was Agamemnon, not his brother Menelaus. Agamemnon's wife Clytemnestra got to show him what she thought of that when he got home from the war.
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OT: The new Clash of the Titans is going to have Ralph Fiennes and Liam Neeson.
I always thought they were the same guy. It'll be interesting to see if they are in any scenes together.
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You may be an idiot, but Aphrodite has given you a rather large endowment.
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Technically the gods killed the guy who said that they shouldn't trust the horse with snakes, and everyone else was afraid and hurled it in, so you can't really blame them.
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I never understood why a condom brand would want to associate itself with the trojans.
New ad campaign: "Put on a Trojan and you'll get inside her walls"
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Remember, the trojans did to young boys what the Greeks did to them.
Surprise!
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If I'd only known what a Trojan was a few years ago, I'd still be single.
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I like game demos. They overwhelmingly show me that I don't want to buy games. Sometimes they show me the opposite, which is rare, but leads to fun. I don't even mind ad screens; the only thing I do mind is when I can blow through the demo in less than an hour. But I guess since lots of people only want an hour, it's an effective means of getting money out of some of them. Unfortunately, there's usually not enough depth in such a demo to convince the rest of us to buy it...
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I like demos, too.
I wondered why there was no demo for Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 until I played the game and finished it in just over 5 hours.
The demo would have been about 13 seconds long.
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I thought the LEGO Batman/Indiana Jones games would be fun, because I like Batman/Indiana Jones, and I love LEGO.
I'm glad XBox Live had demos, saved me some money.
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The same feature limited demo of our crappy sweatshop game that you can download for free from Playstation Store.
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Then you cannot watch the movie until you have
1. watched all the advertisements
2. passed level one of the game.
Have a nice, romantic evening!
Re:Too easy... (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm amazed you can exhibit such foresight from under that bridge!
I often scoff at marketing ploys, but game demos are a good thing. As long as this doesn't increase the price of the discs, this is more value for your dollar- it isn't as if you have to play the demo to watch your movie.
Now, just watch them bundle some highly anticipated game demo exclusively with some crap film- SURPRISE HOME MOVIE SALES HIT OF THE SUMMER!
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I think this is more of a case of "hey, we have extra space left over, we can sell that as premium video game advertising space!". Joe developer might not get much per disc to put a demo on a straight to video disc, but how much is EA, Valve, or Bethseda willing to pay to put Metal Gear Solid 5 demo, Grand Turismo 7 demo etc on something as big as Transformers 3 Blu Ray disc? The production studio/director probably sign away marketing rights on their DVD/Blu Ray already, so this is money straight in the dis
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Personally, this would annoy me. I hate trailers on discs. I (and I assume most people) only buy discs because we'll want to keep the movie and watch it again in time. And when I do, it's very irritating to see trailers for old movies pop up or (with the early Blu-Rays) a feature piece telling me how great Blu-Ray is. I would feel the same way about demos for games.
On top of this, a producer would be shooting itself in the foot by not making a demo available elsewhere, e.g. for download online. So if it
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I would feel the same way about demos for games.
It's just going to be another option on the menu, which won't even appear unless you have a PS3 (if they are at all competent anyway.) Or perhaps another trailer in the intro trailers, which you can skip or which don't play if you buy movies from non-jackasses.
But mainly, I just want my movie collection to be a collection of the things I actually want. Not littered with rapidly out of date ads.
So, uh, rip 'em down to the movies. Aside from the whole DMCA thing, it's still a legal act. If you're doing it solely for the purposes of backups, nobody is going to sue you. Or simply refuse to purchase media not provided on your terms, and enjoy st
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Personally, this would annoy me. I hate trailers on discs.
Do you hate trailers, or do you hate forced trailers? I can't see how you can have any problem with trailers hiding behind a menu selection, or sometimes two menus (as a sub-item of an Extras menu).
This is a problem with DVD too, it's just that (from what I hear, not having yet drunk Sony's kool-aid) it already takes Blu-Ray what, 60 or more seconds to get where you can start watching the movie when the studio doesn't pull their arrogant "WE'RE SO AWESOME WATCH OUR FLYING LOGO AGAIN WITH CONTROLS DISABLED"
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RTFA? Oh, wait, I forgot where I was for a moment. ;) :)
Anyways, yes this is almost exactly what they're doing. Bundling an *extremely* highly anticipated game demo with a reasonably successful film. In this case it's the God of War 3 demo bundled with District 9. A movie I want to own and a game I want to try. So as long as it doesn't cost any extra, yes I will be buying this.
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Especially since you can download them from the Playstation Store without having to shell out for the Blue Ray version of 2013 - This Time it's for Real starring Ralph Fiennes and Liam Neeson as reincarnated identical twin Mayan princes who travel forward in time to finish what their calendar only started.
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I agree in that I do also get my demos from PSN.. but recently, I am finding PSN is getting pretty crowded (not a bad thing, as it shows more games are available). Add to that the time taken to download a 650MB - 1GB demo (still takes time).
I woudl not "mind" if there is about 650MB spare left on the BD to also include the game demo... especially one linked to the film.
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You must be blind as a bat.
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Hardly. Case in point: I refuse to by a huge TV because, frankly, I don't have the room, and I consider it nothing more than conspicuous consumption. So I've settled on a 32" TV... which is, TBH, still huge, but I happen to watch it from a couch that's a good 12-14 feet away (it's on an angle, so the viewing distance varies a bit). And from that distance, at that screen size, SD and HD are indistinguishable simply due to physical limitations in the human eye related to angular resolution.
So unless I pla
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I use to think like you, even after we got a HD tv. I looked at it and went "so what? Its just like the old tv." After a few months of using it I then went and looked at someone's old SD tv and I could immediately tell the difference.
So hey, while ever you don't know the difference, it won't kill you. But the second you do, you won't be able to go back.
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Ya know, I've seen the same thing since I upgraded to Digital over-the-air TV. It's so nice-and-clear that when I watch my brother's analog cable hookup, it looks blurry to my eyes.
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I don't even have a TV you insensitive Clod. I get by with my 28" 1920x1200 monitor...
The difference between a 1080p blu-ray and a regular DVD is night and day, honestly you have to be blind not to see it. Once you get used to watching movies in HD, it becomes difficult to go back to SD...
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>>>And from that distance, at that screen size, SD and HD are indistinguishable simply due to physical limitations in the human eye related to angular resolution.
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Perhaps but you still have the issue of compression artifacts - DVD has them and Bluray doesn't. Don't believe? Take a DVD movie and fast-forward to a dark scene (like a firelight scene). Do you see all the strange blocks floating around in the background? Those are artifacts. Now look at the same scene on Bluray - the bl
"On My 70 incher..." (Score:2)
I have a 32 inch 720p lcd tv and a 24 inch 1080p monitor. I also have a blu-ray player and hdmi. While yes I can see the difference between upscaled DVDs and blu-ray discs, its simply not worth paying triple the price for the blu-ray.
The problem is not the blu-ray discs the problem is the blu-ray player does such a good job at upscaling DVDs that on most 32 inch and smaller tvs it is "good enough" that you dont feel the need to spend the money to replace the DVD disc.
What the blu-ray fanatics arent sayin
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>>>its simply not worth paying triple the price for the blu-ray.
Shop on Ebay, or from private sellers on Amazon. You can get about half your blurays for free, or with significant discounts
I've got no problems with my PS3 upscaling... (Score:2)
I have a Toshiba upscaling DVD player and a PS3. I have seen no indication whatsoever that the PS3 has any limitations or problems with upscaling DVDs. They look very nice on my 52" 1080p TV. I only bother with Blu-Ray for F/X blockbusters; for chick flicks with the wife I don't need to be able to
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Ermmm.. ok.. lets pull apart some of your trollish stuff....
a) the PS3 DOES upscale DVDs and some other SD content VERY well... and it gets better... Arguably its one of the best upscalers around. I really dont know what you are talking about by saying its not as good.
http://www.avforums.com/forums/ps3/641470-ps3-dvd-upscaling-performance.html [avforums.com]
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=852732 [avsforum.com]
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1180189 [avsforum.com]
b) the firmware which introduced DVD upscaling is now VERY
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I know what you mean.
I used to think that girl who played "Veronica Mars" was hot when I watched her on live television. Then I got the Bluray and suddenly she was not. She looked no better than the girl next door. :-(
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Alas poor Superbit, we hardly knew ye.
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I'm even surprised dvds became so popular. The thing that drives me nuts about dvds is the damn menus they put at the start. I just want to watch the movie.
Don't assume, just because that's your preference, that it applies to everyone. Given the presence of extra content on most DVDs, not to mention DVDs for TV programs where multiple episodes appear on a single disc, a menuing system for accessing that content makes a ton of sense. In fact, one of the reasons I haven't bothered to try and rip my DVD coll
Matroska can contain the whole DVD menus and all! (Score:3, Informative)
I believe it is possible to do exactly this with Matroska, as described here [aperiodic.net].
--bornagainpenguin
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That is both fascinating and interesting but also total bullshit as a process. I don't want to have to hack DVDs. Maybe if handbrake had an option for it, but I've had very poor luck with MKVs made by handbrake anyway.
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The point is parent said it wasn't possible to make a backup of his DVDs with menus, commentaries and etc, and I've just pointed him to a method by where it is indeed possible to do so. Could the process be made easier? No doubt, but that isn't the scope of this discussion--the discussion c
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However, what may be more discutable is the way DVD/Blu-rays boot straight to the menu. Personally, I would have preferred if they started the movie right away (the menu would be still accessible from a keypress). I don't really need a menu to set up the audio track or the subtitle track - most hardware of software players allow to do this without interrupting the movie.
And of course, as you said, booting straight to the movie doesn't make a lot of sense for T
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The menu's not really a big deal IMHO. I've found in most cases I can just keep pressing the "okay" button, and the player will immediately hop from the menu to the movie. Using this method I find I can start the DVD movie faster than on my old VHS tapes (which have 3-4 minutes of lead time).
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Strangly, the Blu Rays that I have bought RECENTLY actually DO go stright to the film (as the menu is just a "java" app that is overlayed.
Maybe things are changing in the BluRay world?
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And as an aside, the reason BR is DOA is that a) they're frickin' expensive
Since when?
Most of the Blu-Ray disks I've bought of older movies have been cheaper than the equivalent DVD was when it came out, and the last few box sets of TV shows have been only a few dollars more than the same show on DVD... if not less, in some cases.
That's not to imply that some Blu-Ray disks aren't crazily priced, but most would have looked like a bargain compared to when I started buying DVDs in the 90s. The whole 'Band of Brothers' TV show on Blu-Ray cost me about $35, for example.
Then again, if y
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>>>HD penetration is still not all that impressive, and for your average consumer, the upgrade just ain't worth the trouble
It depends. If someone asked my advice, I'd still recommend buying a Bluray player over yet-another-DVD player. Why? Because even on a standard definition set, you can see the difference in quality (Bluray has no compression artifacts), and also the price differential is not that great. Bluray is the future; might as well prepare yourself now.
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You would have a point, except that every single DVD player remote control has two buttons for jumping directly to the menu. One for jumping to the title menu and one for jumping to the global menu (in practice they are often the same). Most common use case is wanting to watch the film, or the episodes in order. This should be the default; pop in the disk and have it play. Second most common is wanting to watch the special features. This should be easy; pop in the disk and hit the menu button.
There
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Yep. DVD killed VHS because it was easy to use and a lot more robust. No rewinding the tape when you finished. No stuffing the tape back into the cartridge when it spat the dummy. No fingerprints, fuzzy lines, and pictures wrapping vertically up and down the screen.
The menus are a PITA, but they are still better than VHS.
Also, the "special features disks" are pain. Would it be a huge ask to clearly mark those things? Big red letters with "special features" would save people a lot of time and frustration.
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On the other hand:
My Super VHS vcr can record any television program, even those that DVRs refuse to capture (due to DRM). And the quality is just as good as DVD. There are certain advantages to using analog formats which ignore digital anti-copy schemes.
Re:Blu-ray is dead. (Score:5, Insightful)
In recent years I have rented two DVDs where the previews were unskippable. Thats annoying. And in the future:
This disk has been licensed for three viewers. To proceed beyond the anti pirating presentation your player must detect three viewers facing the screen with eyes open for the entire 20 minutes.
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So when I pirate my movies, with no unskippable anything, I get a superior product? Did any of these people take a basic economics course?
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Right now, (perhaps not in the future), DVDs are still superior to the ripped version. Most people don't have the connections to download a full resolution version of a DVD rip, nor do they have their TVs set up to display a video feed from their computer. They also don't want to be bothered burning it to a DVD, marking it, etc.
In the future, this will likely not be the case, but right now for DVD to DVDrip comparisons, DVD is still slightly ahead.
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He just said "pirate DVD movies", which you can easily do via DVD-R-to-DVD-R copies once a single person has removed the protection on the first generation copy. There are still people out there selling pirated DVDs, no downloading necessary.
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We were both, however, referring to the convenience factor.
Where the hell would I find one of those people? Certainly not closer to me than the nearest BestBuy. And even then, are they selling bit for bit DVD rips, or bootlegs that they just label as DVDs?
As I said, it is close, and when the network conditions of the US improve you will likely see the pirated versions beat regular DVDs (with unskippable ads/warnings) But until then, regular DVDs still are head with at least 2/3rds of the market.
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Anon. Coward wrote:
Can't these companies get it through their thick skulls that Bluray is a dead on arrival format? That consumers don't see it as a necessary update to their plain DVDs, which they see as good enough even with the advent of HD televisions?
I sure as hell don't. Standard def DVDs look like shit on a large (>30 inches) set, especially with all the annoying DVD artifacts. Give me the high-definition movies and tv shows please.
someguy wrote:
Nothing wrong with high resolution video, but Bluray is a crappy distribution medium.
I'm going to guess you're like most people, and think a "better" distribution medium is the internet. Well that may work for me, but it won't work over my 750k DSL connection. And what about those millions of Americans still stuck with 50k dialup? Or imposed overage fees if you go over 250 gig?
A disc is still
Re:Blu-ray is dead. (Score:4, Interesting)
I sure as hell don't. Standard def DVDs look like shit on a large (>30 inches) set, especially with all the annoying DVD artifacts. Give me the high-definition movies and tv shows please.
Turn down your fucking Sharpness control. This is one of those crap options that add noise to the picture just make things look better in the sales room. For most TV sets, the correct setting is ZERO, though some sets (notably Sony) support negative sharpness and the zero setting is in the middle of the bar.
Most of the "artifacts" of DVD are actually due to this. I've even seen completely player-generated screens (not based off of MPEG or JPEG) have "artifacts" because of the ringing from Sharpness.
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>>>Turn down your fucking Sharpness control.
(checks). My television is set to 0; ditto my DVD and Bluray players. Now don't you feel kinda silly - jumping to false conclusions?
And watch your language young man. ;-)
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P.S.
>>>This is one of those crap options that add noise to the picture
Actually you're wrong about that. I'm not sure what purpose "sharpness" serves on a DVD player, but on a television the goal is to take the Composite luma + chroma signal and separate them (via COMB filtering). So you see a sharpness control on a TV does have a purpose, especially for older analog sources like your cable company, VCR, digital-to-analog converter box, or DVD with composite out.
In any case even with sharpness tur
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I own a 50$ Philips DVD Player & I can change subtitles etc through the remote without going to the main menu!
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I think you mean "whip out"
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*whoosh*
PS that whip up is not even the same whip up from the original post..
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Blu-Ray discs are 50GB. The video file for the movie "Love Actually" is 40GB. I'm only allowed to download 250GB a month.
How do you expect this to work?
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He didn't say now, he said in the future. BluRay video is around 30Mb/s. My current connection is 10Mb/s so clearly not fast enough, although my ISP offers 50Mb/s. Give it a couple of years and you'll see 50Mb/s becoming standard and a lot more people having 100Mb/s. Combine this with aggressive edge caching and improvements in compression techniques and you can stream movies at 1080p.
Currently iPlayer streams 720p (1280x720 H.264) at 3200Kb/s, which works well. The quality is better than DVDs thoug
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1080p screen, PS3 player. Same movie on DVD and Blu-ray (both over HDMI straight from PS3 to screen), the Blu-ray version wins hands down. The difference is night and day. Maybe that points to my screen being a dumb 1080p monitor and not trying to enhance the crappy DVD picture quality. Some friends have really nice 1080p Sony TVs and their DVD quality (also through a PS3 over HDMI) is noticeable better, likely due to their TV doing extra image processing on the video signal that mine doesn't.
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Yeah it does seem stupid that the netflix thing comes on a disc (albiet temporarily supposedly) instead of just being a free download on the playstation store thing.
Then again netflix has the whole send DVDs to people thing down pat, it is their main business after all. So maybe that was cheaper for them than whatever Sony wanted to charge them to put it up?
But PS3 demos on blueray movies is just plain idiotic, they're already downloadable...