Correlation Found Between Brain Structure and Video Game Success 110
kghapa writes "Still want to argue that video games shrink your brain? While video games have been previously shown to stimulate brain activity and improve coordination skills, a recently published study has directly linked structures in the human brain with video game aptitude. And yes, apparently size does matter in this case. Quoting: '... each subject received 20 hours of training to play a video game specifically created for research purposes, called Space Fortress. It's basically an Asteroids-type arcade game, in which the object is to knock down and destroy an enemy fortress while dodging space mines. However, the game has lots of extra twists that require close attention. Some of the players were told to focus exclusively on running up a high score, while others were told to shift their priorities between several goals. The result? The subjects who had more volume in an area called the nucleus accumbens did significantly better in the early stages of training. Meanwhile, those who were well-endowed in different areas of the striatum, known as the caudate nucleus and putamen, handled the shifting strategies better.'"
More developed specialized area of the brain... (Score:2, Insightful)
...contributing to statistically greater success in tasks which might benefit from its function.
News at 11.
Re:More developed specialized area of the brain... (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes but knowing which specialised area does what is why this is so interesting, there's vast portions of the brain that we can look at and say "Basically responsible for this general area" and have to leave it at that. To be able to point right at a relatively small chunk and say "This does THAT" is a pretty big deal.
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Absolutely. It's just that I had an impression that the topic of TFS, and the summary itself to some degree, seem to focus too much on "link between brain structure and mental proficiency established" ;p
Re:More developed specialized area of the brain... (Score:5, Funny)
Maybe that's my problem! Most of my brain is highly specialized for something that doesn't yet exist!
Re:More developed specialized area of the brain... (Score:4, Funny)
Perhaps that's why we use only 10% of our brain. The other 90% is waiting for us to make a video game it's good at.
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Except that the 10% thing is a fallacy. As I understand it (IANAN), you only use 10% of your brain at any one time. Which makes sense. I mean, when I'm trying to get out of the way of a car - I want to be recalling how to run - I don't want to be recalling the cake I had at my 5th birthday party.
Re:More developed specialized area of the brain... (Score:4, Insightful)
It's not a fallacy. It's a plain falsehood.
Arguably fallacy is a really nice word to use, but it's still not appropriate in this case.
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Well, I've just learnt something.
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Not quite - it's a complete fallacy:
http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp
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You're right, it's not a fallacy, it's a fallacy. Wait, what?
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"The other 90% is waiting for us to make a video game it's good at."
Already made it for myself. It's called "Getting humankind into the space colonization age." Somewhat challenging, but once power requirements get solved it is a rather trivial game that just begs for new rules.
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Maybe that's my problem! Most of my brain is highly specialized for something that doesn't yet exist!
Hate to break it to you, but sex really does exist.
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This does THAT
*points at crotch*
*points at women* ... ...
Wait, did I just call my member a small chunk?
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Extra extra!
Slashdotter hears scientific finding loosely related to previously known scientific finding, can't think of immediate practical use for this knowledge, cynically implies said finding is trivial!
Slashdotter then likely returns to reloading the slashdot main page to read try to get another first post after skimming summary!
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If anyone is wondering why the newsboy said "...to read try to get..." it's because he's too busy selling newspapers on a street corner to get a proper education or bother with proofreading his posts.
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After beating a dungeon boss in Final Fantasy...
"I just leveled up in my brain!"
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Yes, people are different. And, the insurance companies want to know which differences are most profitable for them, so that they can drop everyone else.
"Ohh, see the ratios in size of these two lobes in your brain? We can't insure you due to preexisting conditions!!"
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Not to worry. Insurance companies will be dead soon enough.
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Not to worry. Insurance companies will be dead soon enough.
Do you have news of the end of the human race?
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No, insurance companies would like to assign people to like risk pools, and charge accordingly. Anything which allows them to put me in a different pool than some idiot who takes lots of risks is fine by me. Why should I have to subsidize others?
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Yes, that sounds good in theory. But, wait til YOU find that you have a pre-existing condition. DNA profiling promises to give the insurance companies plenty of ammunition in that field.
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So you're saying I should be able to make others pay for my health care?
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I'm saying that splitting hairs over risky behaviour and/or conditions is bullshit. You won't save money on the deal, it will only COST SOMEONE. The insurance company is out to make money, and like any good marketers, they'll use anything and everything to convince fools to part with their money.
Let's suppose that DNA profiling determines that one or two genes, or a pair of genes in combination, says that you are almost certain NOT to get cancer. Do you think that your rates will go DOWN? If so, you are
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So you're saying I should be able to make others pay for my health care?
You know, I really don't understand this attitude when dealing with insurance. The whole point of insurance is to "insure" yourself against unexpected costs by having others pay for it if you happen to be the one that gets dealt the bad hand. If everyone is just going to pay for what they need, there really isn't much point in having insurance at all is there?
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With normal insurance that's not hampered by government regulation, a person pays into a pool and is guaranteed to have unexpected costly care covered. The amount he pays each month is based on the risk each member of the pool poses. Each member IS paying for the benefit he receives.
When you prevent accurate determination of risk, you force sub-optimal pooling. You get high-risk people in a pool that contains many low-risk people, such that the low-risk people pay for risks they don't bring.
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Greetings and Salutations....
No, insurance companies would like to assign people to like risk pools, and charge accordingly. Anything which allows them to put me in a different pool than some idiot who takes lots of risks is fine by me. Why should I have to subsidize others?
You seem to have a slight misunderstanding of the Insurance industry. It does NOT exist to help you, or to make sure that you have lower premiums. It is a "for profit" industry, therefore exists to suck as much cash out of our pockets as is possible and put it into the investors and workers in the industry.
Any time they have to pay out on a claim, it is an expense that cuts profits, and, therefore, they will do all they can to either d
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Except that, if it costs the government more, the entire pool of tax payers pays, one way or the other.
Either A) the government has the money from existing taxes and pays or B) the government borrows money and then increases taxes to pay for the claim AND the borrowing.
In both cases, only those actually paying taxes are screwed.
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If you think that was trolling, then the part of your brain that processes language is smaller than average.
What this study proves is... (Score:2)
Asteroids Type? (Score:2)
Asteroids-type arcade game, in which the object is to knock down and destroy an enemy fortress while dodging space mines.
It sounds more like Star Castle, which *is* an Asteroids type game, but why not just come out and say Star Castle?
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Because, going by my completely subjective metric, Asteroids is a billion times better known than Star Castle so "asteroids-type game" gets the point across quicker and easier?
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How many people have heard of Asteroids versus "Star Castle?"
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I have never heard of Star Castle. I know exactly what Asteroids.
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I know you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition, but that's not a good alternative.
Freud (Score:4, Funny)
Somehow, the motherboard is a significant factor. And sometimes a joystick is just a joystick.
Graphics? (Score:2)
I want to play! (Score:3, Informative)
I thought the game sounded like fun so I looked it up. You can find it here: http://cogworks.cogsci.rpi.edu/?view=modules.research.spec&id=74 [rpi.edu] The page is down, so you may need to check the Google Cache. It does not appear to be available to the general public.
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I was actually in a study using this game, and it didn't seem very asteroids like to me, other than having vector style graphics.
The controls involved both a joystick in one hand, a mouse in the other, and car-style pedals. One phase had you alternately pumping the foot switches at a specific tempo for long stretches of time(as a measure of concentration) and I had just done a long distance bike trip that morning. God, my legs hurt just thinking about it.
It was OK for a few days, but after I overflowed the
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By your reasoning, a skilled pilot would be good at the game because it has a joystick. But that would leave him at a disadvantage regarding the pedal mechanic... I guess this would be the reason for the study.
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Err... phallic? (Score:1)
those who were well-endowed
What an incredibly phallic story.
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size does matter those who were well-endowed What an incredibly phallic story.
Yeah, the researchers were dicks.
That can't be it... (Score:1)
And here I thought my fast reflexes and hand-eye coordination were due to my abnormally large midi-chlorian count. With this article, I'll never convince my brother that I'm a jedi knight! Buzzkilled by science once again. "This is not the article you're looking for."
Useful (Score:1, Troll)
This is fantastic information to have. You know, because of all the times in everyday life where you need to either gets lots of points or do different things rapidly. Let's see, there's sports and... sports? People good at video games are good at sports?
Uh huh. *rolls eyes*
HOLY SHIT!!! (Score:1)
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A study which actually states its correlation and not causation!
Any decent study will state the correlation and then describe what steps were taken to isolate causative factors. This is not new. The reporting is a little better than usual, though.
With the gross misinterpretation of studies and statistics, I am surprised the headline didn't read "Study Finds Brain Structure is the Cause of Video Game Success!"
The "gross misinterpretation of studies and statistics" is almost always the fault of (a) reporter
Where can I... (Score:2)
Where can I get my brain size measured, and what can I take to make it bigger! Coming soon. Enzyte for gamers.
Watch me stroll through the arcades, as I intimidate you with my BIG head!!
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Same place you buy your hats.
A blow to the head with a blunt instrument.
Space Fortress? Neh. (Score:1)
Team Fortress will work much better.
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Bigger How? (Score:2)
It's not clear from TFA or the abstract whether the volumes measured were absolute or in proportion to overall brain volume. A bigger brain will have bigger parts usually, but it may need them all bigger to run the thing. A smaller brain with a larger part might have more of that function than it requires, lending to greater ability. Anyone got access to the PDF to see how they define volume?
Size itself can be a contributor to greater or lesser processing according to what and where. We found that the large
Please do not forget (Score:2)
With regards to the article title ("Correlation Found Between Brain Structure and Video Game Success"), after seeing that this article seems to be missing posts with the adequate meme, in the interest of completness and as per Slashdot tradition I would like to remind everybody that:
Correlation is not Causation
Thank you for your time.
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I don't have a problem, when the title of the article specifies Correlation found. The problem is when people start conflating that with causation and then continue arguing as if causation has been shown.
Correlation is useful knowledge. Correlation tells you the way things are. If X is correlated with Y, and I want to find X, I should look where there is Y and vice versa. Like a map, correlation tells you *where/when* to look for things.
Causation is about WHY things are the way they are. I.E. X is
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That might have less to do with video games than it does with robotics. (I imagine Mr. Universe would agree.)
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This is the correlation you were looking for: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OzWIFX8M-Y [youtube.com]
Look at all those girls...
:-P
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Expect a long wait
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up up down down left right left right b a start
That's what *she* said!
There was a Murphy Brown episode where Murphy was barking instructions at a person running a video editing machine.
Murphy: "Faster... slower... go back!"
Guy: "You sound just like my wife."
Murphy: "Oh, just hurry up and get it over with!"
Guy: "Uncanny..."
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It's like the Alphabet Game for nerds.
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FTA
Meanwhile, those who were well-endowed in different areas...
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I'm waiting for a correlation between those who 'get laid' with the implication that that means "sex is all I care about" to those who actually have dynamic lives above the reptilian brain stem...
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Correlation is not causation!!!!!
Wait, that doesn't even make sense here.
-- 77IM
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Yes, but if you don't count sheep or cows, you rule out 95% of Americans!
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No, I am from the US.
I'm just a pessimist.
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