The $8,500 Gaming Table You Want 260
Recently I stumbled upon The Sultan Gaming Table. With a price tag of over $8K, it would have to be awesome: but it has little compartments for the players and DM as well as a drop-down playing surface. If you find the pricetag daunting then you are a sane person, and might instead want to look at the Emissary which starts at a "mere" $1,500 and has many of the same features. Honestly I just love the idea of having my minis on a playing surface underneath the dinner table. I ought to be allowed to expense one of these. I also wish they had more pictures and fewer renderings on the site.
It's Just A Table (Score:3, Insightful)
Stop with the Slashvertisement... (Score:2, Insightful)
... thank you.
Make it cooler (Score:4, Insightful)
What would really be cool is if the table surface was a touch LCD display that you could put digitized maps up on.
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Honestly, unless the product is something reviewed on Anandtech or "trusted" computer site it always comes across as if the submitter works for the group in the story.
Price tag (Score:3, Insightful)
If you find the pricetag daunting then you are a sane person
If you don't find it daunting because you live in a fifty million dollar house and drive a hundred thousand dollar car, finding the price tag not daunting doesn't make you insane.
Hell, it hasn't been that long since a decent gaming PC cost that much. Now paying $5000 for a bottle of wine? That marks you as insane even if you're Bill Gates.
Re:It's Just A Table (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:It's Just A Table (Score:2, Insightful)
This may be true to some extent, but I can also report from my own direct first-hand experience that there have been times I've seen an item in the store for what I thought was an exorbitant price, and I decided to build it myself instead. And while I did get the "enjoyment" payoff you mention, after buying all the wood, fasteners, hinges, paint, etc. (not to mention a specialized tool if the project requires one) I sometimes found that I spent as much or more than the "exorbitant" item would have cost in the first place. There are certain economies of scale offered by bulk container ships and million-square-foot factories that a lone handyman working in his garage or basement can never match.
Having said that, the finished product I built by hand always turns out way cooler than any store-bought alternative.
Re:News? (Score:4, Insightful)
If the thing is made from the materials and quality of work that they claim? The price is not that unreasonable. A standard hand crafted cabinet or table made from those materials with old fashioned proper construction will cost thousands of dollars.
Re:It's Just A Table (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't intend to need even that excuse.
Hmm... where have I heard the phrase "zombie carpenter" before?
Re:Stop with the Slashvertisement... (Score:3, Insightful)
Yeah, we don't want to know about things we can buy. Like computers and books and video games and and and....
Re:It's Just A Table (Score:4, Insightful)
Obviously the market segment for this thing is limited, but the vast selection of furniture stores out there tells me there are plenty of people who would rather pay a premium for furniture to avoid having to build it themselves.
Re:It's Just A Table (Score:4, Insightful)
In furniture, Heirloom Quality has a pretty specific meaning. It would take years of carpentry expreience to make a tqable like that at that quality level.
They define what they mean:
http://www.geekchichq.com/Theory_Conjecture/Heirloom_Quality/Heirloom_Quality.html [geekchichq.com]
Seriously, you sound like a non geek making fun of USB 3.
Games are not that expensive.
Savage Worlds: 10 bucks for the main book.
DnD 4e retail 34.00 The first Players Handbook in 1978 was 20 bucks. Calculate inflation into that
In 1995, Computer games where 30/40 bucks.
Ticket to ride, 40 bucks: The is the price of equivalent quality board games in the 1980s.
Gaming is not becoming more expensive If anything, it's cheaper.
Re:It's Just A Table (Score:3, Insightful)
When possible, do it yourself...this applies to just about anything.
Except surgery.
Okay, have had one of these in action. (Score:5, Insightful)
Had one of these on loan from the GeekChic guys in our booth at GenCon last year.
VERY
NICE
GAME
TABLE
If I had space and the spare cash to front for one, I'd buy one.
I've seen people ragging about not being able to sit around one. This is what the fold-down desks are for.
I've seen people complaining that the drawers would get in the way. They don't. PERIOD. You don't leave them open during play. The drawers are for storage.
I've seen people ragging on the price. Look at the cost of nice hardwood furniture. And I said NICE. My mother's a friggin' oak fanatic. So I know how pricey this stuff gets.
Their prices are only outrageous when viewed in a vacuum. People are talking about being able to buy the materials and tools for less. Sure. If your labor is worthless and you have already figured out all the joinery and other neat tricks that they've incorporated into one of these tables.
Very likely though, you have not. As such, you're paying a skilled craftsman for labor.
Sure, you can buy a pool table or a folding table for a lot less. But the utility for gaming is also a lot less.
Re:Price tag (Score:3, Insightful)
Yeah, there is a whole category of people who have to be SEEN to be rich, or they aren't happy. Being rich isn't good enough. People have to see you spend absurd amounts of money on non-necessities and blow it off like it was no big deal. These people have a tendency to mention prices a lot, name drop and not-so-subtly brag.
For regular folks, the equivalent is an iPod. iPods aren't for people who like listening to music. They're for people who like to be SEEN listening to music. You see them constantly futzing around with play lists and songs in public. Hell, I've always just set the playlists on my PC, picked what I want to listen to and drop it in my pocket! But that defeats the purpose. I could have just some common MP3 player, and not be cool like the iPod crowd.
Supporting evidence -- the large aftermarket for white Apple or Apple-like earbuds. It makes people THINK you have an iPod in your jacket, so you must be cool.
Ditto Gucci purses, Manolo Blanik shoes, and...wait...did I just describe the entire fashion industry?
Re:It's Just A Table (Score:3, Insightful)
You missed the first part:
When possible.
Surgery on yourself is rarely possible :p
Well, unless you're Rambo, then you just need a bullet, some matches, a knife, and some fishing line.
Re:It's Just A Table (Score:3, Insightful)
Don't want to sound too negative, but while the quality of the carpentry itself may be "heirloom quality", the actual table looks like shit.
Seriously... If I was to shell out that much money, it should at least look somewhat elegant.
Re:It's Just A Table (Score:5, Insightful)
And he still rolls ones just like the rest of us.
Good furniture costs money (Score:2, Insightful)
For those complaining about the price tag: good quality furniture made from solid wood costs real money.
I spent over $1000 on black walnut (some highly figured) for a 7 drawer chest on chest I built last summer.
Probably spent close to 100 hours on it too.
Depending on the wood, $10, $20 or even $50 a board foot ( 1 square foot of wood, 1 inch thick) is not unusual.
That said, if it's cheap wood, or plywood with hardwood veneer, you should not be spending the same amount. (unless the veneer is exceedingly rare).
I wouldn't be surprised if there was well over $1000 of wood and hardware in it. (also wouldn't be surprise if it was crap).
Re:It's Just A Table (Score:5, Insightful)
Even easier. Start with a pool table, strip out the bits you don't want, and trim the table with whatever geegaws you want. That appears to be what this company did.
The big advantage over building from scratch: the boring generic "table" part is already done for you, and you can concentrate on the gaming part. In fact, if you made a kind of arrangement that sat in the pockets of the pool table, you could remove the whole thing and still play pool if you wanted to.
This is pretty much what it means to be a geek. To the average person, the "constructed" part of his environment, the things he lives with, that is something fixed. He can buy new stuff or throw old stuff away. If you are geek, no thing's form has to be regarded as fixed.
Practically everything I own has been modified in some way. When I got my Kindle, my first thought was that the metal back was too slippery. I considered covering it with rubberized paint, but settled instead by putting a couple of strips of two inch velcro loop tape to it which makes it easier to hold. I applied velcro hook tape to the slip cover so the two pieces could be handled as one unit. I have a leatherette (vinyl) zip portfolio that I carry paper, writing implements and my kindle in, and I slapped velcro loop on the inside to give the kindle (inside its slipcover) crush space. Since I had velcro hook left over I slapped that on the outside and now I can stand the portfolio with it's spine up and it is a reading stand.
People see that and say, "isn't that clever." But it's not. Once you realize you can turn any surface you aren't otherwise using into a reading stand by slapping some velcro tape on it, it's obvious.
Re:It's Just A Table (Score:4, Insightful)
Another "everybody's exactly like me" post. I took carpentry in Junior High, but I sucked at it, and have only a single (really ugly) bookcase to show for my training. Maybe you can throw together something like this without a lot of effort. I never could hope to attempt something like this, and I suspect most people are in the same category.
Don't get me wrong, I admire (and envy) people who are good with their hands. And even though my own experience was less than positive, I bemoan that fact that most kids don't get a chance to take shop anymore. But dude, people have different strengths and weaknesses.
And, not incidentally, $8K is not that much to pay for this kind of furniture, if it's well made. Whether it's worth it to an individual is a personal call. But if you're a really serious gamer (I'm certainly not) it strikes me as a decent investment.
Re:It's Just A Table (Score:3, Insightful)
I can't help noticing that the guy who's holding the eye surgery device he invented is wearing glasses. So I guess this is a either a clever troll or an incompetent scam.
Re:It's Just A Table (Score:1, Insightful)
Actually the first AD&D Player's Handbook was $12.00, as was the Monster Manual. The Dungeon Master's Guide was $15.00.
Gaming is not becoming more expensive If anything, it's cheaper.
True, it's just that our purchasing power hasn't really increased much since the 80's, once you factor out easily available credit.
Re:It's Just A Table (Score:5, Insightful)
Good god - what utter conceit! You look at a large and intricate piece of hardwood furniture, with all kinds of drawers, sliding parts, and recesses, put together with numerous dovetail joints no less, and you think anyone with access to a table saw and a miter saw could build one.
The sheer arrogance of this assumption leads me to believe you've never built anything like this before. If you had, you'd know that even building a single drawer using dovetails is not a trivial endeavour. Add to that the challenge of making many drawers, selecting and mounting hardware that aligns them nicely and lets them slide in and out smoothly. And after you have it all built, there's the significant task of applying a nice finish to the wood.
There is a huge difference between knowing basic carpentry and knowing how to make hardwood furniture. You clearly have no grasp of how much time and skill a project like this requires. It involves hours and hours of planning, measuring, cutting, machining, fitting, gluing, clamping, sanding, and finishing. It requires a sizable workshop with an extensive array of tools, and the quality of the results is directly proportional to the quality of the tools you employ. Don't kid yourself that you could easily build such a thing.