Rupert Murdoch Publishes North Korean Flash Games 186
eldavojohn writes "You might recall back in June when it was noted that North Korea was developing and exporting flash games. Now, the isolated nation state is apparently home to some game developers that are being published by a subsidiary of News Corp. (The games include Big Lebowski Bowling and Men In Black). Nosotek Joint Venture Company is treading on thin ice in the eyes of a few academics and specialists that claim the Fox News owner is 'working against US policy.' Concerns grow over the potential influx of cash, creating better programmers that are then leveraged into cyberwarfare capabilities. Nosotek said that 'training them to do games can't bring any harm.' The company asserts its innocence, though details on how much of the games were developed in North Korea are sparse. While one of the poorest nations in the world could clearly use the money, it remains to be seen if hardliner opponents like the United States will treat Nosotek (and parent company News Corp.) as if they're fostering the development of computer programmers inside the DPRK. The United Nations only stipulates that cash exchanged with companies in the DPRK cannot go to companies and businesses associated with military weaponry or the arms trade. Would you feel differently about Big Lebowski Bowling if you knew it was created in North Korea?"
No suprise here (Score:3, Insightful)
Murdoch owns one of the largest media empires in the world [wikipedia.org]. Why wouldn't he work hand-in-hand with "the enemy"? Never mind the fact that Fox News has trounced the idea of speaking to dictators...but doing business with them is a-ok!
Re:No suprise here (Score:5, Insightful)
Rants on Fox over democracy and freedom, $ in reality.
http://www.slate.com/id/2184197/ [slate.com]
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In all fairness, speaking to dictators and hiring some of the dictator's subjects as a labor force are somewhat different things.
However, fox News pundits seem to be willing to bite the hand that feeds them, given that one of the major News Corp owners is also a big financial backer of the "Ground Zero Mosque".
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In North Korea, the difference is not so large. It's no garden-variety dictatorship, it's a totalitarian state.
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Indeed.
Look, some restrictions on countries are stupid. Our Cuba restrictions are nonsensical.
About 25% of Cubans work in the private sector. If we legalized trade with them, and only them, soon more of them would be. The private sector would grow, or, alternately, people would soon be demanding it does and the government would get less support. No trade with the Cuban government, or the government's socialized industries (Which currently means no cigars, as none of that is private.), but no trade at all
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I don't know about Cuba, but many of the jokes people living in the eastern bloc made were about low work morale. I don't think they got fired that easily, unless they slacked so much they were actually seen as troublemakers :)
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Think about how Fox News would treat a company that has significant ownership by a Muslim stockholder with that stockholder donating to the group building the Cordoba Center (the one Fox News called the "gound-zero mosque"), and deals with North Korea. My guess is that their description would hint at terrorism. If you have not guessed what corporation might fit this description, that's right,
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Murdoch became a naturalised US citizen on 4 September 1985, before he bought the Fox predecessor in December of that year. So not by much, but still legal.
(and this is one instance where the no-newspaper-and-tv-network-in-one-market rule here in Aussieland works pretty well)
Hardly, FCC was 3:2 in favor of Democrats in 95 (Score:3, Informative)
There were three Democrats on the FCC, Reed Hundt (chairman), James Quello, and Susan Ness. The two Republicans were Andrew Barrret and Rachelle Chong. So blaming Republicans for change in ownership rules is pretty silly, typical though. It seems that too many rely on ignorance to allow their views to be supported. After all, we know the Republicans had control of Congress then, but the fact remains, they did not have a majority on the FCC.
So if you want to blame Fox's ascendancy on anyone, put the bla
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The man's entire media empire heavily condemned Obama for suggesting that we talk with dictators around the world.
I don't think he would miss his own company conducting business with one of those dictators. "Money from North Korea" kind of jumps off the page in a tally sheet, know what I mean?
Programmers (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Programmers (Score:4, Interesting)
Having coded ActionScript, I can say that the claim their programmers will be improving their skills with the experience is bollocks.
Maybe its a step up from VB but its not going to turn them into elite hackers over night.
I did wonder about flash based spyware. Could a flash app take a picture from a webcam then phone home?
Re:Programmers (Score:4, Interesting)
Only if you allow it to - or if your laptop was supplied by an American school board.
Sure, they can steal some flash cookies. But you already use a cookie blocker that takes care of both flash and regular cookies, right?
Re:Programmers (Score:4, Interesting)
I did wonder about flash based spyware. Could a flash app take a picture from a webcam then phone home?
Depends on if you read stories in the /. fire hose [slashdot.org] or read the articles they link to. [thelocal.de]
Rupert Murdoch.. (Score:2, Funny)
Terrorist and AMERICA hater.
He is a traitor and must be dealt with severely.
I say we should find some backwards, barren, outoftheway continent with a bunch of freaky animals to send him to...but where?!? Where?!?
Does anybody know of such a place?
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I say we should find some backwards, barren, outoftheway continent with a bunch of freaky animals to send him to...but where?!? Where?!?
Antarctica?
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Can't it be both?
Kim Jong Il or Rupert Murdoch? (Score:5, Insightful)
Frankly, I'm more concerned about News Corp than I am about North Korea.
Re:Kim Jong Il or Rupert Murdoch? (Score:5, Insightful)
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From a national security standpoint, I'm more concerned with Pakistan than Iran, NK, or anyone else. The majority of experts agree that the most likely national security threat to the US (I'm talking about academics and foreign policy experts, not politicians) is the potential for a radical element to get its hands on Paki nukes. Iran doesn't even have the bomb yet, but we keep on focusing on them, in the meantime, Pakistan has enough material to produce 60 to 100 weapons grade nukes...
Feel Differently (Score:3, Funny)
Well, considering I feel that flash games are an idiotic waste of my time, this revelation doesn't change matters much.
Question: Is it illegal? (Score:5, Interesting)
Is it currently illegal for a US company to trade with North Korea?
Is it illegal for a multi-national which does business in the US to do so?
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Re:Question: Is it illegal? (Score:4, Informative)
Is it currently illegal for a US company to trade with North Korea?
Irrelevant. News Corp is not a US company; it is incorporated in Australia.
Is it illegal for a multi-national which does business in the US to do so?
AIUI, such a company only submits to US jurisdiction for business activities that occur within the US, so I would guess not.
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Not true. News Corp was re-incorporated in Delaware in 2004.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3953407.stm [bbc.co.uk]
Would you feel differently? (Score:2)
well based on the name and that it's flash based, I'm inclined to think that it sucks, horribly. So the answer is No, I wouldn't feel differently knowing that it came from NK because I don't beleve that will make the game any better
Play some North Korean flash games here (Score:2, Informative)
sounds like murdoch (Score:5, Informative)
Would I buy? (Score:2, Insightful)
Would I buy a computer game knowing it came from North Korea?
Break the question down before you even think about answering it - how do I know if something has been programmed in, made in, assembled in, or had any other part of its production process in North Korea, or anywhere else for that matter? Where was Doom 3 programmed? Does it use code written by slave children in India who are force-fed C++ classes instead of their normal education, paid 1p a day and beaten regularly? I have *no* idea and no re
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how do I know if something has been programmed in, made in, assembled in, or had any other part of its production process in North Korea
In this specific case, you do know, so I don't see what your point is.
If it is produced in North Korea, how do I *KNOW* what the funds it generates are used to support?
If it's produced in North Korea, then it's a pretty safe bet that the money is used to support the North Korean government. Otherwise, the government would have never agreed to export it.
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And I take offence at the tone of the submission. Trying to make me feel guilty by association is almost entirely racism.
Racism? Really?
Probably a quarter of the electronics in my house are Korean. My washing machine is, the optical drives in my computers are, the stereo amp is... the list goes on. I don't think twice about buying Korean goods.
South Korean goods. Never North.
Is that racist? Against whom, exactly? 'North Korean' isn't a race, it's a political demarcation. I'm not aware of any major genetic differences between the two Koreas having developed since the armistice, and last time I checked, a fundamental bel
I think that (Score:2)
The dude would abide!
All your game are belong to us. (Score:5, Funny)
In A.D. 2010
Flash game was beginning.
America: What happen? ....
Slashdotter: Somebody set up us the bomb.
Operator: We get signal.
America: What!
Operator: Main screen turn on.
America: It's You!!
North Korea: How are you gentlemen!!
North Korea: All your base are belong to us.
North Korea: You are on the way to destruction.
America: What you say!!
North Korea: You have no chance to survive make your time.
North Korea: Ha Ha Ha Ha
Operator: Captain!!
America: Take off every 'Zig'!!
America: You know what you doing.
America: Move 'Zig'.
America: For great justice.
In commie Korea, games create you!
"redefining outsourcing" (Score:5, Insightful)
MEMO --
New ownership means new rules. Therefore:
- each bug found in production code, means a month of hard labor for the responsible engineers and their entire family
- no more internets for you!
- each comment in your code should contain a reference to our glorious leader
We hope these new rules will everyone more happy and more productive!
-- K. Jong Il, VP
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I code you!
North Korea has a substantial role in animation (Score:4, Informative)
Would you feel differently about Big Lebowski Bowling if you knew it was created in North Korea?"
How would you feel about Pocqhontas and the Lion King? In some fields [speroforum.com], North Korea has surprising expertise.
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Suddenly Flash gaming makes a whole lot of sense for them -- Flash isn't programming, it's animation + glue logic.
North Korea will soon dominate the market, and Jobs will rebrand the iOS Flash ban as a blow for democratic freedom.
HAL.
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Not that surprising. Some skills are in high-demand in a totalitarian state. I know the moment it opens up, I'm going to pick up a couple of mass demonstration coreographers for cheap.
So, what will Fox News say? (Score:3, Insightful)
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/may/09/nuclear.northkorea [guardian.co.uk]
Nothing, really. (Score:4, Interesting)
Fox News is a subsidiary of News Corp., but you know that. They won't mention it.
It would be funny if this is illegal and Murdoch and his corporations are brought up on charges of providing aid and comfort to the enemy. It would be very funny, but it won't happen.
I think every news network should trumpet this news. That the parent corporation of Fox News is doing business with .... Communists! And not the "good" communists in China, either, but the crazy, "We want to nuke the world," "our leader is a divinity to be worshipped," communists of North Korea.
Check your facts (Score:2)
You may be correct that News Corp may be an Australian corporation, and by way of that, out of reach of US law against aid to enemies in war.
However, the Korean war never ended - it is simply at a truce, a cease-fire, so the countries involved can still be considered enemies. Indeed the North Korean government still considers much of the world as its enemy - including the government of South Korea.
If you look at the list of belligerents [wikipedia.org], you'll note that Australia is indeed listed as being on the same side
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You may be correct that News Corp may be an Australian corporation
Except you are wrong, as per Wikipedia [wikipedia.org], "News Corporation is a publicly-traded company listed on the NASDAQ, with secondary listings on the Australian Securities Exchange. Formerly incorporated in South Australia, the company was re-incorporated under Delaware General Corporation Law after a majority of shareholders approved the move on November 12, 2004...News Corporation's global headquarters is...[on]Avenue of the Americas (Sixth Ave.), in
Name one boycott that has worked (Score:3, Interesting)
Please name one boycott / trade restriction that has worked. We (the USA) have been embargoing Cuba for almost 50 years, Iran for 30, North Korea for almost 60 years. We boycotted the People's Republic of China for some 25 years (and that was a real strict boycott, comparable to the current one against the North Korea). And, of course, our oil boycott of Japan in the early 1940's lead directly to Pearl Harbor.
After literally centuries of cumulative experience running boycotts and embargoes against various bad actors, have they ever served their purpose ? These are the foreign policy equivalent of the drug war - most people know that they are doing no good, but for some reason it is impossible to act rationally and admit it.
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This is something I have long wondered. Why do we keep doing boycotts and trade embargoes? It seems to me that, when you restrict trade between nations, (1) people on both sides lose (less competition/choice/availability of products), (2) the powerful will still be able to do and get what they want, (3) you make people angry, (4) you make yourself a target for fingerpointing, and (5) you are going against the idea that trade promotes peace (e.g. China and the USA going to war would be an economic disaster f
Re:Name one boycott that has worked (Score:4, Interesting)
Please name one boycott / trade restriction that has worked. [...] And, of course, our oil boycott of Japan in the early 1940's lead directly to Pearl Harbor
Which led directly to the US/Japanese conflict during WWII, which led directly to a change of regime in Japan that eliminated and undid the imperialist/expansionist behaviour that had been the original reason for that embargo. You just killed your own thesis with a counterexample.
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Please name one boycott / trade restriction that has worked.
The Atlantic slave trade was ended in large part because of a sugar boycott by consumers in Britain.
South African Apartheid ended after a very long boycott. It is arguable how much the boycott helped.
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Is the goal regime change, or is it to avoid supporting unethical and/or immoral behavior?
In this particular example, is the problem that News is propping up the regime, or that News is profiting off of the reprehensible treatment of North Korean workers?
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We banned trading luxuries with North Korea a few years ago, on the theory that it would stop the Dear Leader from keeping his generals and other senior advisers happy. It got their attention quickly and they quit doing whatever they were doing at the time.
New Axis of Evil (Score:5, Insightful)
FOX has now been linked with North Korea and the Ground Zero Imam. They've clearly taken over Iraq's place in the Axis of Evil. When do we invade?
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Maybe North Korea will make a game that lets you bomb NewsCorp and Fox.
Do you play the game or not? Some people would be *so* conflicted ...
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FOX has now been linked with North Korea and the Ground Zero Imam. They've clearly taken over Iraq's place in the Axis of Evil. When do we invade?
At the "News at 11" time?
It's a complicated situation (Score:2)
a lot of ins a lot of outs... a lot of wha-have-yous... a lot of strands... a lot of strands in the old duder's head.
Good for no one, except Fox and Rupert Bullshit. (Score:2)
I know many media companies have ringers on /. to catch news stories and push the corporate-propaganda. This /. topic has a few Fox-NK dogma propagandist.
The rulers of NK are very bad/evil. NK has a large border with China and a small border with Russia. IOFW+IMFO: NK is intentionally closed and oppressive, and dummy Fox-Rupert either lies or has an agenda to assert the rights of global-companies to have their own internationally recognized Fox-Rupert State Department.
IOW: It is a fyck US and EU, because NK
Fox News (Score:2)
Frothing Moonbats (Score:2, Insightful)
rupert murdoch is basically the capitalist version (Score:2)
Republican outrage (Score:2, Insightful)
The real question is where is the Republican outrage that a US megacorp is dealing with a crazed nuke-happy communist regime?
Right-wing media outlets would be all over any "liberal" organization (US or otherwise) that would dare deal with North Korea, or even the relatively benign Cuba, the rationale being that any business run in a communist country is majority-owned by the government itself so paying them therefore directly aids and abets that government.
Hello? Republicans congresscritters and their suppo
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Feeling different (Score:2)
Would you feel differently about Big Lebowski Bowling if you knew it was created in North Korea?
Not really; however, knowing that Rupert Murdoch makes money from it certainly does.
Its like Microsoft (Score:2)
Microsoft is a large corporation with many divisions. Sometimes these divisions operate with competing goals. That's the way most large companies are. And when Bill Gates was CEO, there was no way he could know everything that was going on in the company. Likewise, News Corp is a company. And there's no way the Murdoch keeps up with everything that every dept is doing. Putting his name in the title of this story (instead of "News Corp" or "Nosotek") is just flamebait.
The real reason Steve Jobs won't allow Flash (Score:2)
A-ha! So *this* is the real reason Steve Jobs won't allow Flash on the iPhone and iOS devices.
Murdoch hates America (Score:2)
Die Another Day (SPOILER) (Score:2)
In James Bond's film "Die Another Day", the villain is a media mogul that is actually a North Korean hidden agent.
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Re:Good for everyone (Score:4, Insightful)
Funny how there are two distinct ways of handling un-democratic countries. Either you trade with them to make them more democratic or you boycott them for not being democratic. You (A government + business) can't be wrong, either way. Very clever.
Re:Good for everyone (Score:5, Interesting)
I can tell you what did not work for us here in Spain. I'm not old enough to have lived through it, but I sure am to remember how things began to change in the yeas following the death of our dictator and our transition to democracy. Isolation does not work for anybody except, perhaps, for extraordinarily clever (and, more often than not, iron-fisted) dictators.
You can contend that trading with an undemocratic country can strengthen the dictator. I agree with that. However, the basic needs of the people of the country are more important than the dictator, or lack thereof. First thing is food, health, education, a future; once you have all that, you can go with lesser important details like democracy. Democracy and dictatorship are equally as good if people is starving, or just have no future. However, when people is fed, healthy and working, democracy will eventually find its way. Look at history for a number of examples. It will be slow, but sure.
Not sure about that (Score:5, Interesting)
Not so sure about that. From what I can gather, most of the anger against the governments in Eastern Europe -- at least after the point where Stalin died and his ham-fisted brutal oppression was replaced by a more "big brother is watching you!" kind of approach -- had to do with shortages, queues to buy just about anything, etc. And to make it seem even worse, an illusion carefully maintained by western propaganda (e.g., Radio Free Europe) that basically the western world is a land of milk and honey where there is no poverty, no problems, everyone is happy, and generally it's freaking rapture on Earth.
But the point is, most people didn't care all that much about democracy or freedoms or such. Most except a few idealists were actually pretty ok with a sort of an implied "covenant" so to speak, that if you don't rock the boat too hard, the secret police will probably leave you alone. If you could give them enough food for their children and a decent life standard -- and maybe stop that propaganda machine, if you're now friends with their government and happy to let it manufacture your shoes and iPods -- I think most people could have lived just as happily without democracy or private initiative at all.
You also have to understand that after Stalin keeping them in line was more based on chilling effect than anything. Stalin's brutal purges and mass executions had been replaced with a more passive-aggressive game, where the government has a dossier on you somewhere, and it's unpredictable when, if or how it will bite you in the arse. Big brother knows if you're drinking with comrade Piotr, who swears at the government lots, and you don't know how you'll be shafted by that... maybe you'll get a one-way all-expenses-paid trip to Siberia, but maybe just your kids will never get promoted past a point, or maybe you'll just never get to travel abroad any more, or maybe nothing at all if you stop it now. That uncertainty actually seems to have worked better than the Pavlovian immediate repression that Stalin used.
The governments there also used agents provocateur big time. The more perverse implication wasn't even that that's how that dossier happens, but basically that you don't know who's one, who can you trust, and how hard a kick in the pants you can expect if you just join the first guy shaking a fist at the beloved president. If comrade Piotr can curse at communism so much and nobody did anything, hmm, maybe he's actually filing a report about your listening to him. It majorly prevented people from getting organized.
In fact it worked so well that even a major, vocal, anti-government critic like Sakharov didn't really need to be silenced. They only "exiled" him to another major and well supplied city, he still had a job, and other than a few "we're still watching you" shows of force by the police, really he was free to shoot his mouth some more. It didn't matter any more. People didn't rally around him anyway. They had been already conditioned that you don't join someone who's that vocal, because either he's an agent provocateur himself, or he's being watched and you don't flock around him like you don't flock in front of the Eye O' Sauron. Better stay out of that kind of spotlight.
My take is basically that if the USA and USSR had gotten over the Cold War (yeah, I know, unlikely) and started trading happily, and letting the Russians manufacture their Nike shoes and laptop batteries, and all, there wouldn't have been any changes at all. There would have been no need for the Glasnost, and no pent up frustration to blow.
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As a Hungarian I approve your post :)
(no mod point yet, sorry)
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From The Patriot: "An elected legislature can trample a man's rights just as easily as a monarch." Why can't I smoke a joint in my own home legally? My rights are indeed being trampled by my elected American legislature, and it is depressing, disgusting, and rediculous.
When I have the freedom to do anything I damned well please as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else, THEN I'll trumpet democracy, but until then I'll remain a cynic and vote against the present corporate legislature.
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While you raise a good and insightful point, I think I can even one up that, at least for the purpose of the point I was trying to make there. I was reading at one time about some poll about the first amendment, where it turned out that more Americans thought it means they can swear at a neighbour's party, but the government is perfectly allowed to tell them what not to say, than the number who knew what it actually means. So effectively most Americans thought they _don't_ have freedom of speech, and I don'
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When the youth has risen in 1956, Hungary still had a ham fisted dictator (Rákosi and co.).
The Tianmen square thing was organized by students, who had lived abroad long enough to just forget where the invisible boundaries are.
Look, Hungary was governed in the last 8 years by the same people who cracked down the 1956 revolution. (And they were elected democraticly.)
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Alright, I'll call your bluff on that. What are some historical examples of democracy finding its way when the people are fed, healthy, and working and why would it have been different if the people were not fed, healthy, and working?
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Re:Good for everyone (Score:4, Insightful)
Alright, I'll call your bluff on that. What are some historical examples of democracy finding its way when the people are fed, healthy, and working and why would it have been different if the people were not fed, healthy, and working?
Taiwan and South Korea are recent examples. This is happening today in places like Thailand and Iran. The recent riots in Bangkok and Tehran were not bread riots, they were about elections.
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Alright, I'll call your bluff on that. What are some historical examples of democracy finding its way when the people are fed, healthy, and working and why would it have been different if the people were not fed, healthy, and working?
A few recent (twentieth century) ones: Spain, Chile, Argentina, Greece. Actually, the definition fits even Russia, the old Soviet republics around, and the old Eastern Europe block. You can argue that these people were not exactly as happy as they could be, but they received a pretty decent education (as it tends to happen in dictatorships) and for the most part enough supply of food and shelter (again, you can't compare with Western standards, but from what I've read hunger and homelessness were not top pr
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History strongly suggests that you can only have the former when you have the last. Dictatorships have a tendency to channel all resources for the benefit of the dictator, leading to ordinary people starving. It happened in France, it's happening in North Korea now.
If you lack freedom, chances are that you'll soon lack everything else too.
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You forgot the more popular option #3: Bomb them back to the stone age.
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Trade <snip> usually ends in quasi-slave labour and a few rich managers who exploit people and exert undemocratic influence on their government.
Fixed that for you.
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Spot on
Hard rock, western cosmetics and western films have done more for the demise of USSR style Communism than all efforts of western governments and all "dissidents" combined.
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>Except isn't North Korea self-isolationist?
Apparently not to the extent of not developing flash games for the international market, though.
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No? They have a lot of diplomacy and trade with China and Russia.
Russia and China, wow, what a global diversity.
There's more to the world than just US, you know.
Yes, there is Japan, and South Korea, two flourishing democracies right next to them with whom North Korea has had wonderful relations because of its diplomatic acumen and respect for their border... or wait, scratch those two.
Still the world is more than just the US, like Canada, UK, India, Thailand, Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, Singapore, and many others with whom the North Korea has had wonderful relations since they are so open and because its "A
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Indeed. A lot of people here seem to thin North Korea is a Cuba- or Iran-type country, which the US has some huge problem with and the rest of the world is like, eh, whatever.
North Korea is run by a lunatic, not a pretend lunatic we like to claim all leaders of countries we don't like are, but an actual one. It's channeling almost all it's production into military, and, yes, it kidnaps people.
And, while it technically has 'diplomatic relations' with China and Russia, well, I urge everyone to go read [wikipedia.org] about [wikipedia.org]
noko (Score:3, Funny)
noko
sage (Score:2)
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Re:Good for everyone (Score:5, Interesting)
It's obvious you have an anti-US sentiment but you shouldn't let that cloud your judgement of North Korea.They It's a really, REALLY shitty place for those not lucky enough to be born into a wealthy, well connected family(irony!). Famine killed at least 10% of the population in the 1990s, the # of refugees willing to risk their life to escape to China where they pretty much know they will be treated as a slave is staggering, so obviously that tells you how bad it is in North Korea.
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Someone I went to school with said he visitted North Korea once, he and a few of his friends who were journalists at the time. Since they were journalists they probably had it much harder than regular tourists. He said that before they could get into the country, that his group along with 2 dozen other people were taken out to a bar by some Korean correspondants. It was a Korean Bar, go figure. At said bar was their minister of foreign travel, or some position like that. Someone had told my friend before ha
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Re:Good for everyone (Score:5, Interesting)
You CANNOT do that in North Korea, and I have read TONS of travel accounts(even the stuff on wikitravel) which concur, the only people that claim how wonderful North Korea is are either paid shills or just as fucktaded as you and are so convinced of how "evil" the west is that they will pretty much adopt any philosophy that opposes it, even if said philosophy is 1000000x worse than that of the west. North Korea suffered famine and still suffers severe food shortages, even the UN says that, but all but the most retarded of fuckwits, such as yourself, disagree.
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You say that now, but North Korea cannot be allowed to acquire vector-based technology. Just think of the explosion gradients and cluster mouse over bombs they could launch.
You lefties are all the same, crying peace and progress until Kim Jong launches an ActionScript 2 - powered missile up your arse!! Then you'll be begging for Sean Hannity to come save your ass from the anti-aliased koreamen.
so how many hacks / trojans are in the flash games (Score:2)
so how many hacks / trojans are in the flash games they make?
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Defend against.... who, exactly? Is anyone invading them? They've been at war with South Korea for almost 60 years [wikipedia.org] because they only signed an armistice, meaning they're going to stop fighting but may resume at anytime. All N Korea has to do is stop screwing around and agree to make peace and they'd be welcomed into the world but they refuse. They're like to stubborn child that'
Re:Good for everyone (Score:5, Informative)
Good luck in North Korea. Remember that you will be allowed to see will be strictly limited, and the North Korean government is well known to go to unusual lengths [wikipedia.org] to present a good image outwards.
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A little more about traveling to North Korea. I'm living in Asia currently and as it's close to me, I plan to take a trip there this winter. During my life living in many countries I've learnt that prejudices are just those - prejudices. People always give a shittier picture about something, and when you see it yourself it's just different. That's why it's like sitting on your computer all day long and commenting on things you have absolutely no idea about - most news are onesided, and most people tell you onesided stories with extra things that might not even be true. That's why you have to see and do it yourself to actually know anything.
In that little trip of yours, are you going to see the concentration camps they have up North?
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A little more about traveling to North Korea. I'm living in Asia currently and as it's close to me, I plan to take a trip there this winter. During my life living in many countries I've learnt that prejudices are just those - prejudices. People always give a shittier picture about something, and when you see it yourself it's just different. That's why it's like sitting on your computer all day long and commenting on things you have absolutely no idea about - most news are onesided, and most people tell you onesided stories with extra things that might not even be true. That's why you have to see and do it yourself to actually know anything.
How wonderful, will you get a chance to take pictures of their concentration ("reeducation") camps where tens of thousands of people (including their families for fuck's sake). If you do, please put them in facebook (and if you don't a facebook account, create one just for this occasion.)
Oh, I almost forgot, ask your Government/Military pre-approved tourist guide to take you North Korean farmers picking up grass to make soup because they literally have nothing else. Nothing makes a better souvenir than a picture of a emaciated person eating grass.
Hopefully, when we invent time travel, you might get a chance for a one-in-a-lifetime vacation: a trip back to Auschwitz-Birkenau and Sobibor. Who knows, you might get lucky and the administrators will time their gassing schedule to your arrival so that you can take a picture. Trip to the Bahamas or Hokkaido? Screw that!
ps. yeah, I went there and broke Godwin's Law, get over it.
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ps. yeah, I went there and broke Godwin's Law, get over it.
You honoured Godwin's law. Congratulations.
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Cast it from thy sievelike books of memory, Sir Donald; thou art out of thy element.
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Cast it from thy sievelike books of memory, Sir Donald; thou art out of thy element.
I certainly hope Rupert doesn't make them roll on the Shabbos!