Sony Updates PS3 Firmware To 3.56 To Stop Jailbreaking 218
tekgoblin writes "Today Sony has released a firmware update for the PS3 console that will update it to version 3.56. This comes on the same day news broke on the restraining order against George Hotz (Geohot). Sony did not state that it would stop jailbreaking the console but we can only assume that it does. With this restraining order against Geohot we see the Streisand Effect taking hold again as the key spreads all over the net. This decision by the courts may also prompt more hackers to focus their time on the PS3 from other projects. Be aware if you update your system and you like to jailbreak or hack, you will probably be unable to after the update."
Actually, it might be possible after all.
old news ? (Score:2)
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doesn't 'Kakaroto' translate as 'broken shit' ? :)
Maybe MS got it right with XBL... (Score:5, Interesting)
Seems like MS takes the approach of "Fine, mod your console if you like, but if you get caught you can't use it on XBL". And since XBL is a subscription service they set their rules, but you agree to them by paying for the service.
I suspect Sony will learn the lesson and the PS4 will see the introduction of a subscription based PSN. Especially since the next generation of games will likely all be purchased through app stores as opposed to optical media.
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>>And since XBL is a subscription service they set their rules, but you agree to them by paying for the service.
Which is one of the areas that Sony is better than Microsoft. I'm frankly offended by having to pay $50/year to play Halo online with my friends. Or, more often, a small time duration subscription that covers the week or so I'll be playing Gears or whatever other Xbox-exclusive game I want to play with my peeps.
The Playstation Plus model is a lot less offensive: you can play the games you've
MS released an anti-piracy update last week (Score:2, Interesting)
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/20/mandatory-xbox-360-update-sneakily-halts-call-of-duty-pirates/ [joystiq.com]
So no, it doesn't seem like MS is being more permissive than Sony here.
Both are trying to stop people from modding their consoles, presumably for the purpose of maintaining their revenue streams.
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MS doesn't tolerate piracy anymore than Sony or Nintendo does. The reason they use XBL to catch people is because it is probably the easiest way they have to do it. A new dashboard update can do a check for mods and then the banhammer can fall swiftly on modders before they have
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who will want to download blue-ray sized games? (Score:2)
who will want to download blue-ray sized games?
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Lots.
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I don't think there's actually that many games that fill an entire single-layer BD disc - off the top of my head, Metal Gear Solid 4 and Final Fantasy XIII come to mind, but I'm fairly certain the rest of the games would fit on a DVD if the PS3 allowed it.
At least the publishers haven't caught onto the ability to stuff the BD full of demos and other crap like the early CD-ROM days (they can't on the other consoles because there's little space free).
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Recently, I noticed a new section under Videos in my XMB called Trailers. I was puzzled as to when that had shown up and given the number of trailers listed there, I knew I would've noticed all those HD videos downloading.
It dawned on me it came on the Gran Turismo 5 disc...
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Nothing says freedom like paying for the privilege of giving up your rights. USA number one!
Re:Maybe MS got it right with XBL... (Score:4, Insightful)
Except the parent's point is that the 360 doesn't lock up your system regardless of what you do. Cheat, mod the system, build a beowulf cluster, whatever; you can still play games on it.
The PS3 refuses to play games, locks you out of features and/or flat-out breaks if you want to use it for anything other than whatever Sony tells you is acceptable.
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The PS3 refuses to play games, locks you out of features and/or flat-out breaks if you want to use it for anything other than whatever Sony tells you is acceptable.
I'm not a gamer - the last game I played and liked when I was young was JOUST (to give you an idea on how long ago that was).
that said, WHAT is so compelling about sony products and games that the youth today simply MUST continue buying sony? I don't get it! sony got caught over and over again being evil. I long ago stopped buying sony when th
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I'd say that from my 'gamer friends' (which are plenty), one or two actually knows what Sony has done.
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voting with your wallet is for 'old people' isn't it?
Sadly, yup.. but more because it has become completely ineffective.
This applies to all areas. Everything is a big chain.. the guy behind the counter is some high school kid making minimum wage and probably doesn't give a shit if you are satisfied. Storming out of a store shouting "well I'll just take my business elsewhere" has very little impact. The days where the people you dealt with on a regular basis gave any kind of shit about your business are gone.
Likewise, boycotts are generally pointless unless yo
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Thanks, but I am already paying my ISP: I do not want to pay again for the right of playing online.
Then play on a PC. You're free to connect to whatever service you like. Of course some of those (WoW) will still cost money. See, you're only paying your ISP for your connection to the Internet. You're not paying them for whatever services people are offering online. You need to pay the people offering those services separately.
A better argument would be: "I'm already paying Sony to play games. I don't want to pay them again to play them online."
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Thanks, but I am already paying my ISP: I do not want to pay again for the right of playing online.
Anyway, I do not think that having a paying service or not makes a difference: you agree to the terms of PSN just like you do for XBL, even if it is free.
Then don't. Tens of millions of people find value in it. No one is holding a gun to your head.
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don't sue sony.
STOP BUYING SONY.
really simple. super simple. so simple its eluded most of you.
you cannot cry about sony abusing you if you KEEP BUYING IT.
is this really necessary to explain? "ouch he keeps hitting me!" then don't stand near him. pretty simple. he's an asshole and you should avoid him. same with sony. just avoid it all. nothing they make is so important you can't live without it.
grow up a little and learn what boycott means.
Oh Please... (Score:3)
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Stop wasting my bandwidth... (Score:4, Insightful)
...with your shitty updates that seemingly do nothing except prevent me from using the online services until i've installed them.
I can't remember the last actual worthwhile update Sony pushed through, it seems every one of them is just another 'whoops forgot to plug a security hole that won't have any effect on you but may be able to be used for piracy'.
Also if people truly do just want a system to run homebrew on why not just buy the dev kit? It's basically an unlocked, unsubsidized PS3.
Re:Stop wasting my bandwidth... (Score:5, Informative)
Because they place roughly the same requirements on buyers as Nintendo does. Buying a PS3 devkit isn't something you can just buy off eBay.
Remember: They don't make unlocked versions of devices because they absolutely do not want you doing what you want with your device. This is true for almost every iOS/Android/WP7/Console made.
Re:Stop wasting my bandwidth... (Score:5, Interesting)
Ironically enough, MS is actually pretty good here.
Xbox 360 dev kits are expensive and restrictive, but you can develop homebrew games for it using XNA (provided you don't need direct hardware access, this should work just fine for most games). The SDK is free, and the ability to post your game to the marketplace is $100/account (much like Apple's store).
WP7 can be developer-unlocked for $100 (or using WP7, but that will apparently get blocked). Once it's unlocked, you can go to town - full access to the filesystem, registry, sensors, camera, you name it. There's already some pretty neat homebrew, ranging from a nice file manager to a functioning webserver to a NES emulator. It's all unofficial, of course, but MS hasn't tried to stop it... almost the opposite, really.
Re:Stop wasting my bandwidth... (Score:5, Insightful)
Android phones can install apps from anywhere so you don't need to get on the market just to release one. Using your own web site is fine. Also access to sensors and the camera is available... Not sure you meant to add those to your list. Homebrew is massive on Android, in fact I'd estimate around 50% of apps could be considered homebrew.
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Yes, how dare he talk about writing homebrew stuff on a console in response to an article about one (of three) console manufacturers attempting to lock down their console, which would prevent homebrew from running!
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Except the Android dev kit is free, and you can run any code you care to write with it on your Android phone without having to break any security features. (*) If the PS3 was like that, we wouldn't see so much effort put into cracking the security features.
(*) Except for that one crappy phone AT&T released that nobody bought.
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Remember: They don't make unlocked versions of devices because they absolutely do not want you doing what you want with your device. This is true for almost every iOS/Android/WP7/Console made.
While this is true with some game consoles. It is not true at all with phones. Google sells Dev Android phones, I assume MS also sells dev WP7 phones along with being able to buy XNA 360 dev kits that allow you to create your own games and run them on the 360. Seems Sony and Nintendo are really the only ones who prevent it...
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Why did they even include it originally
The folllowing is from memory and may be off in some details but it represents what I read at the time.
Some of linux's biggest weaknesses for home use is you can't game on it, nor can you play DVDs on it out of the box (i'm not sure if there were any legal DVD options at all for linux at that time). A console with a linux option could in principle compete with the windows PC as a device that can be used for both gaming/movies and more serious stuff by using the closed
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The DVD argument is only in the United states and countries that bent over for the United states to force their laws on them. DVD playback is easily done in a Linux box, hell I'm ripping Blurays on my Linux laptop. It is a unjust and corrupt law that makes it illegal, it is not a technical problem and never has been one.
As for gaming on linux. Gaming on linux is fine, the problem is companies releasing linux games. There are NO technical limitations keeping gaming down in linux. In fact there are
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Let me put it this way, these consoles work via the razor model.
The consoles are sold at a loss or barely break even with negileable margin. The R&D cost are recover by selling games.
You bought a PSP but no games, you are the worst kind of customer for console makers, you shouldn't be surprise when they make next to no attempt to appease you or your kind.
The alternative model is the PC one where the hardware costs a lot more.
Personally I have no preference for either model.
That said I wished Sony was a
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Really?
Then why has Nintendo never had that problem. their consoles are NEVER sold at a loss. They are not stupid that way.
Just because sony is stupid and does this does not make it the norm for the entire industry. Also I cant believe that an Xbox360 is a loss leader now.. Plus they suck $70.00 a year out of people to enable online play.
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...with your shitty updates that seemingly do nothing except prevent me from using the online services until i've installed them.
Recent PS3 Firmware Updates
3.15 Data transfer from HDD to HDD by Ethernet cable.
3.21. Exit the OtherOS
3.40 Video editor and uploader for Facebook and YouTube
Browse Facebook and Picasa web photo alblums
Share photos with friends on PSN. Print photos.
Deep Color (HDMI)
3.50 Support for stereoscopic 3D games
3.55 Play 3D content on Blu-Ray disks
Allow Facebook access from Facebook enabled games
For all: http://us.playstation.com/support/systemupdates/ps3/history/index.htmhttp://us.playstation.com/support/systemupdates/ps3/history/index.htm [slashdot.org] " a>PS3â System Update History
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I see a LOT of version number gaps there.
Nearly all of 3.50 onward, with the exception of 3.55, have been primarily anti-piracy releases.
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Re:Stop wasting my bandwidth... (Score:4, Informative)
I made myself depressed by checking. With a liberal definition of "useful", that'd be 2 years, 7 days and counting.
If you read just about any PS3 forum about firmware, you'll see people have wanted for YEARS simple things, like cross-game chat (ala XBox), PS2 emulation (or even PAY MONEY to buy them from the PSN store), auto-sync trophies to the PSN rather than having to do it manually. Simple, useful things. Sony even put up a blog asking "what do you want", and they've been told by (literally) tens of thousands of people. [playstation.com] Nothing yet. Instead, we've had these "updates":
(sidenote: Holy shit, does the new Slashdot css actually remove the bullets from a LI entry? Why?)
Good. (Score:5, Insightful)
The overriding issue is that the DMCA anti-circumvention provisions are simply bad laws and as such they serve to bring themselves into contempt.
Re:Good. (Score:5, Interesting)
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If you only want to run Linux, Sony has NEVER required you to upgrade. You only need to upgrade to access the PSN. This has always been the case.
The PS3 Slim did not come with Linux support, but that's okay because it didn't come with Linux support, just like my XBox or my Waffle Iron.
Re:Good. (Score:4, Insightful)
They sold you the PS3 on the basis that it can run linux, play games and access psn...
If you want to continue running linux, you lose the ability to play newer games as well as access psn. It used to be possible to do all of these things and i bought a ps3 (the original model with ps2 hardware) on that basis. Now if i want to keep all the features i originally bought the ps3 for, i have to jailbreak it.
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Want to play LittleBigPlanet2
God, no!
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Or want to play more recent Bluray films, you need to update. :/
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Did you not read what the original poster said?
Since you forgot, I'll repeat it:
(emphasis by original poster)
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oops (Score:5, Informative)
erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B
riv: 47 EE 74 54 E4 77 4C C9 B8 96 0C 7B 59 F4 C1 4D
pub: C2 D4 AA F3 19 35 50 19 AF 99 D4 4E 2B 58 CA 29 25 2C 89 12 3D 11 D6 21 8F 40 B1 38 CA B2 9B 71 01 F3 AE B7 2A 97 50 19
R: 80 6E 07 8F A1 52 97 90 CE 1A AE 02 BA DD 6F AA A6 AF 74 17
n: E1 3A 7E BC 3A CC EB 1C B5 6C C8 60 FC AB DB 6A 04 8C 55 E1
K: BA 90 55 91 68 61 B9 77 ED CB ED 92 00 50 92 F6 6C 7A 3D 8D
Da: C5 B2 BF A1 A4 13 DD 16 F2 6D 31 C0 F2 ED 47 20 DC FB 06 70
Re:oops (Score:5, Funny)
Kirk: 11A
Scott: 11A2B
Chekov: 1B2B3
Final code: 000 Destruct 0
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Kirk: 11A
Scott: 11A2B
Chekov: 1B2B3
Final code: 000 Destruct 0
Thanks a lot, Takei! Now everybody knows!
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That's actually funnier than you realize. The PSP's primary encryption is called Kirk (and the secondary is Spock).
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Oops, now -my- hand is slipping
Ae214lkhf;oaw42343261rhbn/lgvj412MEWA34pi1243gkbhae
(Launch code to the nuclear football. Don't try to use it.)
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A search on google for those as terms (indirectly) produced this page on PS3 Security [edepot.com] as a result. These are values that configure PS3 encryption.
erk is Encryption Round Key. riv is Reset Initalization Vector. pub is the Public Key. R, n, K parameters required for signing. Da is the Private Key.
This is news? (Score:4, Insightful)
"Sony Updates PS3 Firmware To 3.56 To Stop Jailbreaking"
"Sony did not state that it would stop jailbreaking the console but we can only assume that it does."
You can only assume? Call me when you know. Until then stop wasting my bandwidth with your wild guesses.
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Note that it was written by Timothy. You can filter out particular editors' stories, but unfortunately Timothy posts about 40% of slashdot stories these days. I sort of grin and bear it, but he's definitely the reason I spend less time on this site. There are less biased link baiters out there with equally good communities.
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Re:This is news? (Score:4, Informative)
Not exactly. The key can be changed by a firmware update, the problem is that it would break all existing games that use it.
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Isn't stopping this jailbreak impossible without hardware modification? The keys are factory-injected, onto non-volatile storage, which means to change them, Sony would have to open up the console and physically change the chips. Unless they managed to figure out teleportation, an update won't stop anyone with the keys from flashing custom firmware to the device.
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Actually, I think science precludes the assumption that the cat can be put back in the bag.
With the private key released, they cannot prevent anything. Sony has two choices:
Change the private/public key pair and resign every game made to date (require everyone connect for resigned games, or be shipped a disc that will do it) or
Do nothing.
The first one costs too much and probably is exploitable so that you could have it re-sign illegitimate software. It would however allow them to assign unique keys for eve
PS3 has been most entertaining console so far (Score:3, Insightful)
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While the 360 is far less commonly used for homebrew, drive patches are extremely widely used for piracy... So they have all of the "bad" modders and none of the "good" ones...
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Which doesn't mean much, since Sony only really seems to push going after the "good" ones. Remember, geohot has made a big point of "I do not condone piracy and this doesn't let you pirate in and of itself, it merely opens up the console to (access the GFX card in Other OS / Install userland homebrew packages)." I think the single most piracy-enabling thing he's openly done was warn them *not* to patch LV2, which is necessary for easy piracy (as in backup manager, as opposed to decrypting and cracking gam
Sony Updates Blu-Ray Player Firmware to 3.56 (Score:5, Interesting)
Use case for a closed environment (Score:3, Interesting)
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Having a closed environment just means that there will be less cheaters, and many people who think cheating is impossible... People will still cheat, and those who do will be much harder to spot than they would be otherwise.
Newer games also force you to play on manufacturer supplied servers, older games let you run your own servers so you could create your own server and invite your trusted friends onto it and have a cheat-free experience.
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Cheat free online multiplayer would be nice, yes. But it's not worth sacrificing fundamental property rights. If you really want cheat free multiplayer, play with people you trust.
Boy this sure makes we want to buy PS3 games (Score:4, Interesting)
My PS3 isn't getting an update till my Other OS option is safe. It's off the net entirely.
This makes buying games real easy:
1) PC Version
2) XBox 360 version
3) Wii Version
4) Okay, okay, PS3 version. But nothing that forces a mandatory update. Sorry GT5.
MS grubs for my money in all directions, but as long as we'll all in agreement that I will at times give them that money and they will not treat me, their customer, like s@#$, they're smarter or at least more reasonable than Sony and will get my money before Sony does. Opening Kinect (after that initial reflex foot in mouth) just clinched it. I would kind of like to play LBP2 but that's the way it goes, I will go drown my sorrows in Dead Space 2. Or dismember them.
DNS trick to play on PSN with 3.55 (Score:5, Informative)
If you want to keep playing online while a custom firmware is released. All that is necessary is to plug in this as the primary DNS in your PS3 network settings:
67.202.81.137
And ta-daa, we're back online with 3.55.
Re:DNS trick to play on PSN with 3.55 (Score:5, Insightful)
If there is a way to mook about with the outbound request, then just publish it. I'll integrate it into my own router, or DNS server, or anything else I chose to set up and control.
But routing a data stream that has a non-zero chance of having a credit card number in it (PSN purchases) through an untrusted third party? Nope.
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Continuation of a wrestling match ... (Score:2)
A war for which, I'm afraid, there can be only one of two outcomes:
(a) control is wrested from end-users by legal means; the balance between free speech and commercial interests is decided in favour of commercial interests, with all its implications for free speech
(b) control remains with end-users, which implies that free speech trumps commercial interests with the result that manuf
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Only in the US!? (Score:2)
I thought the PS3 DRM was essentially dead? (Score:2)
I was under the impression that the private key discovered for the PS3 was impossible to retract without hardware modification? Bet you wish you'd never removed the other OS function now, eh Sony? :)
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That's correct. The summary is just written to attract more clicks from the less informed.
computerandvideogames.com comments (Score:5, Interesting)
And why are they defending Sony? Because Sony was forced (by the scurvy pirates) to issue a useless update that prevents them from using their PS3 for 30 minutes while it's downloading and installing. So Sony does something useless and annoying, and the 15-year olds blame the pirates for it.
I hate to say this, but we've lost. The public has accepted HDMI. They've accepted devices locked in firmware. They've accepted Blu-Ray. They've accepted the iOS app store. They've accepted the Kindle. In 5 years the PCs from the big vendors will have locked firmware to "protect the user experience" and to prevent "hackers and pirates" from "compromising the security of the system" so they can download child porn and terrorist handbooks. In 10 years the only way you'll be able to run FOSS software will be to buy an unlocked "corporate" PC for an absurd amount of money and possibly only after "registering" your unprotected box so the authorities can monitor you for illicit activities. For a big company this won't be any issue at all (they already have policies to prevent their employees for using the servers for non-corporate activities), but for the home user it will be an enormous barrier.
Stallman was right. I'm depressed.
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you are correct - the public does not care. they POUR dollars into sony's pockets. can't pour them fast enough.
BD? ugly sony DRM filled crap. why are young kids buying that today? I don't know of ANY adults buying bd but only kids with money and no ethics (or memory).
hdmi is an atrocity as its filled with DRM but we do have work-arounds. then again, I'm pissed at the industry trying to 'close down' spdif since its an open audio standard. by getting everyone to run 5.1 or dts they stop people knowing
Re:computerandvideogames.com comments (Score:4, Informative)
I hate to say this, but we've lost. The public has accepted HDMI.
Wikipedia is your friend:
This is HDMI [wikimedia.org]
This is HDCP [wikimedia.org]
Neither is mutually exclusive, and they're bad for their own reasons ;)
They've accepted devices locked in firmware.
All depends on what you're going to do with it. For example, I wouldn't mind a Netflix box with locked firmware; it'd be pretty sweet to be able to modify it, but Netflix gets their money from a streaming/rental service and I want to support that. I can always have my own unlocked media server thingamajig in addition to it, you know.
They've accepted Blu-Ray.
Yet again...
This is Blu-ray [wikimedia.org]
This is AACS [wikimedia.org]
Again, neither is mutually exclusive. In fact, you can rip Blu-ray discs provided you have the right hardware and AACS keys
They've accepted the iOS app store. They've accepted the Kindle.
I don't mind the iOS app store; it's not like you're forced to sell your applications in there, you know. It's pretty simple to just buy something that isn't Apple-related. Also, you can read DRM-free books on the Kindle IIRC, so I don't see a problem.
blah blah blah conspiracy theory
Yeah... I highly doubt it. As long as the world has people with common sense, it will always be possible to build unlocked devices.
Re:computerandvideogames.com comments (Score:4, Interesting)
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Sure, there is driver signing, and maybe one day the Windows kernel used on desktop machines will have a big security overhaul. But that's nothing to do with the grandparent's hypotheses, which are In 5 years the PCs from the big vendors will have locked firmware to "protect the user experience" and In 10 years the only way you'll be able to run FOSS software will be to buy an unlocked "corporate" PC for an absurd amount of money. Both of which are absurd.
They remind me a little of that old "Final Ultimat
the pc world not take locked out of free software (Score:2)
the pc world not take being locked out of free software.
and there is alot of free software for windows as well and M$ may get in monopoly trouble if they try a locked in app store. I don't think abode will pay $100 year + 30% to be able to sell photoshop on windows and anyways in 5 years how many people will even be on windows 8?
After seeing how long it to for people to get off of XP!
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I hate to say this, but we've lost.
We have lost. The public hasn't just accepted HDMI and Blu-Ray. They've accepted torture, warrantless searches, suspension of habeas corpus, etc., etc.
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Would you accept a locked-down device that offers a cheaper product
Sure, it's called a rental. Rent me your console, and you can issue any terms you want. If it's cheap enough, I'll accept. If you sell me your console, it is mine to do with what I please.
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Did anybody read the comment thread in the second link? It appears to be nothing but 15-year olds, but the overwhelming sentiment is *against* George Hotz and *for* Sony. I find it depressing when I talk to normal people who cheerfully use iTunes et al with no idea what DRM is. But seeing a whole gang of young people vehemently defending Sony against those mean, mean pirates is just demoralizing.
You do realize that iTunes got rid of DRM about 2 years ago, right?
No, not quite. It has no DRM on music, but virtually everything else still does.
Average Joe's Position (Score:2)
Re:Sony. (Score:4, Insightful)
you don;t break out
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Some actual jail breaks involve stealing the keys from the guard. So yeah, it's still a jailbreak.
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All security expert have maximum two of the following three qualities:
- They are competent
- They are honest
- They say DRM is possible.
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The PS3 was actually the last platform to be cracked, people have been pirating games on all the other platforms for a long time. By your reckoning, the PS3 would be the only platform for which any games have been released in the last 4 years.
The point of DRM is not to stop serious cracking groups, its to stop casual copying such as kids someone making a copy for their schoolfriends.
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The point of DRM is not to stop serious cracking groups, its to stop casual copying such as kids someone making a copy for their schoolfriends.
School kids know all about how to circumvent DRM. All their games are copied from friends, except for those they get as gifts from older relatives, which is the only way new games get into the school kid environment.
You don't imagine school kids will spent their hard-earned allowance to buy legal copies of games, do you?
No, the real purpose of DRM is to make pointy-haired managers feel good.
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you and sony seem to disagree.
they hold ALL the cards, though. they own the lawyers, guns and money (yes, guns; they control the government who, in turn, owns the guns). government was bought by big business a few years ago - did you not get the memo?
sony is under the impression that they are leasing the system to you. if you disagree, stop buying them, then!
a purchase is an endorsement. you lose your right to complain if you bought their toys fully knowing how evil they were.
your own damned fault. tir
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because its not about blocking it forever. Its about delaying it just enough to maximise profit.
Sony delayed it for -years-, a feat virtually no one has done before. They're probably still quite happy about it right now.
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