Postal III, Source Engine Still Coming To Linux 90
An anonymous reader writes "It appears that the Source Engine Postal III game is coming to Linux as was originally planned and is slated for release in May, according to the Running With Scissors CEO. 'Yes we are still planning a Linux release. We, that is RWS, are waiting for a final beta from our production team in Moscow. Like you and yours, we are anxious and frustrated. ... It looks like May if all goes well. We are hopeful to reach a distribution deal at GDC and [worst] case we go [direct download] and will find another team [for] Linux.'"
and they say (Score:3)
linux don't get good games.
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Are you seriously implying that the Postal series have been considered good games?
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Quite frankly I'd say that the Postal series is actually bad for gaming they are normally quite poor, and create a lot of controversy which the developers nor publishers address.
Which is just plain bad for the medium.
Re:and they say (Score:5, Insightful)
I disagree quite heavily.
Postal is the only game series where your quest is to buy some milk, and then you go out and kill everything that moves. Does that kind of remind you of your typical MMO quest, except it's a lot more honest about the "yeah, we only make up a thin excuse of a story so you don't feel like it's mindless killing" part?
They also made fun of terrorists back when everyone else was afraid of them.
It's certainly not a masterpiece, but there's a bit more in it than what you make out, and it rightfully has its fans.
Re:and they say (Score:4, Insightful)
The funny part being that it possible to get a significant part of the way through the game, if not complete it, without killing anyone. Which just shows you how bloodthirsty you really are. =p
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Postal 1: Really? I never managed to make it five minutes in someone chasing me around with a shotgun, even when (as far as I know) I did everything peacefully.
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Say what you want, but Postal 2 was one of the most hilarious games I've ever played. The shootout involving Gary Coleman capped off what had to be the funniest sidequest in videogame history.
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Cant agree more, i love the Postal games. Especially multiplayer was hilarious in Postal 2. I loved the movie even more but sadly it was denied any form of distribution because it wasnt PC.
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Uwe Boll has surprised me a lot and made movies that are very good actually. Rampage is a must see if you havent seen it already. With Uwe Boll as both writer and director you probably expect a turkey but its really good. Same with darfur, had to check two times who directed it.
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Ah, I'd been completely avoiding anything he did after reading negative things about him here. Thanks :)
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Ah, I'd been completely avoiding anything he did after reading negative things about him here. Thanks :)
It's a trap!
Direct to digital video (Score:2)
I loved the movie even more but sadly it was denied any form of distribution because it wasnt PC.
Then why not just distribute a politically incorrect movie on the PC, such as to the kinds of people who rent from Netflix Watch Instantly or buy from iTunes? Plenty of erotic film studios have chosen that route.
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Postal was the first Uwe Boll movie that seemed consciously funny. It was actually pretty funny.
And Postal 2 was hilarious. I don't care if the game was technically great or not, it was funny as hell. I got way more entertainment out of that and Apocalypse Weekend than I ever got out of any award-winning game. Fuck Master Chief, I'll take The Postal Dude any day.
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Badger.
IN A HARNESS! [youtube.com]
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We don't know if Postal III is any good yet....
Anyone who has suffered through the previous Postal titles would be surprised if it was.
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On the contrary, I for one quite enjoyed Postal 2. Yes it's just an excuse for committing mindless violence, but so what? So is just about every other FPS, MMO, etc when you get right down to it. There's something refreshingly honest about it.
Besides, just because you can shock people with a taser, set them on fire then piss on them to put them out doesn't mean you have to. You decide how violent you want to be.
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On the contrary, I for one quite enjoyed Postal 2. Yes it's just an excuse for committing mindless violence, but so what? So is just about every other FPS, MMO, etc when you get right down to it. There's something refreshingly honest about it.
I had no issue with the violence in Postal 2. I like games where enemies are reduced to giblets as much as the next person. But I had plenty of issue with the horrific loading times, the badly designed levels and the mindless repetitiveness of it. I still recall the nausea I felt after playing, wandering around maze after maze of boxy levels. I just thought it was a bad game.
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I won't comment on the level design other than saying I thought it was fine for the time, but they did release an update pretty soon after retail that reduced the loading times by a lot.
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Don't know about you, but I was unimpressed with Postal II. Completely aside from the gratuitous violence, it just wasn't a very good game.
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Give me funny, innovative and good games like Magicka with price 10-20 euros for Linux and it as gameplatform would rise like a phoenix (Magicka).
Even if now posting a Source engine to Linux and Valve would give all its own games for Linux, Windows would suffer a lot, while Mac and Linux would start gaining even more popularity in homes.
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Even if now posting a Source engine to Linux and Valve would give all its own games for Linux, Windows would suffer a lot,
Why would windows suffer? The source engine doesn't cover the other 99.999% of games that still don't run natively in Windows.
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"Natively in Linux".
Yes!!! (Score:1)
I love you running with scissors!!!111omgponies!!!!!
woot, Postal 3 (Score:3)
Didn't even know it was coming. Very cool.
Looking forward to a game that makes no stupid excuses. Let's shoot some innocents in the head. It's a game, after all.
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In videogames, you play against your own competence or against other players. The one which shows the most mastery at the game win. The goal of the game is competition.
That is an extremely simplified view. While many people compete in sports for the very same reason, others use sports to feel better, excercise, be with friends - and competition enters very late, if at all. In my final school years, I was in a local Volleyball team. We went to competitions every now and then, and usually lost horribly. It didn't matter to us, because the fun, and being with the same group of people you liked regularily, was what counted most.
Same with games. Some games you play to win, som
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Running With Scissors CEO. (Score:2)
It's ok "Running With Scissors CEO". We will be too busy playing Duke Nukem Forever anyway.. wouldn't we?
I'll believe it when I see it (Score:4, Insightful)
This is coming from the same site that said Steam was coming to linux too. Don't get too hyped up just yet..
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What compelling evidence? That there were a couple of ifdefs with Linux in them and an official statement from Valve was that they WEREN'T working on it? Yeah that's mighty compelling. One also has to remember that Michael first made this Steam for Linux claim back in 2008 which was a completely overblown thing and turned out wrong. Then he claimed last year in May that it was coming by the end of the summer. Then when that failed he kept claiming that it "was coming soon" and here we are 6 months late
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Why would I want Steam on Linux? Hell will freeze over before I'll install that.
What I do want is a proper package repository.
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Why would I want Steam on Linux? Hell will freeze over before I'll install that.
To play commercial games on Linux? Steam already works through WINE but the game support is pretty ropey - some games work others won't even start.
I'm surprised that Codeweavers or Transgaming hasn't approached Valve to produce a a free but supported version of Steam for Linux with games running under emulation. They'd get a % cut of the sales for supporting the product. Transgaming's Cider is the tech that most OS X game ports use anyway.
Linux doesn't have package manager with DRM (Score:2)
It's a form of package manager for a certain OS that lacks a good native package manager, combined with heavy DRM.
Which OS does have a native package manager combined with heavy DRM, other than the Mac App Store that Mac OS X just recently added? Popular package managers used on GNU/Linux, such as apt or yum, don't have any form of DRM, not even password authentication before downloading; they assume that any non-free package is still free to redistribute. Without DRM, any publisher big enough for retail will stick to the consoles. It's happened to Epic, and it's happened to Capcom (Street Fighter IV isn't getting upda
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Steam isn't a virtual machine. To have games on Linux they need to be ported to it, and for that Steam is entirely unnecessary.
Steam is a distribution platform and DRM. For distribution it's not needed because there are package managers. For the DRM part, I simply refuse to accept it, and won't buy any game that uses it.
I'll happily buy games on Linux, so long th
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Steam isn't a virtual machine. To have games on Linux they need to be ported to it, and for that Steam is entirely unnecessary.
I never said Steam was a virtual machine. I said it works through WINE and when you launch a game that also works through WINE. i.e. you can install WINE, install Steam for Windows and run both Steam & downloaded games on Linux. The Steam client works pretty well, unfortunately games are hit and miss - some games work, some don't.
And no, games don't have to be ported to Linux and its unlikely that many ever would be. Not even OS X gets as many ports as people think - most of them are recompiled Win32
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Wine is very unreliable and not officially supported. I might give it a try for a free game, but I'm not paying one cent for that end-user experience.
That's different in that it constitutes official support, even if done in a half-assed way. If it breaks you
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I'm one of those weirdos with a laptop that's not perpetually hooked to an internet connection, because sometimes it's used in the underground, on a plane, or in a foreign country where I have a hard time getting access everywhere.
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Sure, but it still requires a connection at some point, no? Still don't like it.
Nope. I use Linux in part because it lacks crap like this, so no, I'm not going to appreciate its addition.
We are anxious and frustrated... (Score:1)
...not something you want to hear from people who think up games like Postal.
Big Mac Index (Score:3)
Thanks for letting me know that you outsourced the game to foreigners. So you can pay them nothing compared to an American programmer.
Then perhaps the problem is with foreign farmers, who are paid nothing compared to an American farmer. Cheaper food means cheaper land, and both mean a foreign programmer can earn less and still live in reasonable comfort. Are you comparing wages using exchange rate with U.S. dollars, as I suspect, or are you comparing them using purchasing power parity [wikipedia.org] measures such as the exchange rate with Big Mac sandwiches [wikipedia.org]? If the former, all you're telling me is that some foreign currencies are temporarily undervalued
Re:Foreign program team? (Score:4, Funny)
Russian programmer just fine. You like much. You like much or Yuri break arm.
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Your clothes are made in china, as are most of your electronics (or Taiwan, South Korea, etc) your food comes from all over the place (that which IS US based is heavily subsidized). The oil you burn comes from the middle east, and all your phone support lines route through India. But please, don't let them take VIDEO GAMES!
I'll support you in boycotting foreign made games the moment you refuse to wear foreign made clothes, buy foreign made electronics and drive a foreign car powered by foreign gas. Now that
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You don't buy any games not written in US?
Do you also not browse any foreign websites?
The best thing about Postal III... (Score:2)
...is that Uwe Boll is actually going to be in it via the magic of motion capture. If you get to shoot him then I think a large number of critics may buy the game just for that.
Mind you it apparently also has Ron Jeremy, a Playboy bunny and the original cowboy from the Village People, which is an interesting combo.
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http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.12/ragingboll.html [wired.com]
Epic said there was going to be a Linux client. (Score:1)
After the Epic scam, any news of anyone releasing any game for Linux is to be taken with a grain* of salt.
* grain the size of the Moon.
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http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODI1OA [phoronix.com]
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A little background? At least game name? I'm interested, though unaffected (i only run linux headless)
He's talking about the Unreal Tournament 3 linux port that was going on for years. They even released screenshots but eventually canceled the project after years without having anything released.
However you should consider that both Postal 1 and Postal 2 (which ran on Unreal Tech) have been released with native linux support (client + server side), so have a little faith :)
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Postal 1 and Postal 2 were also on platforms where Epic actually did release a Linux port, though... so it's a case where someone else already did the majority of the work.
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I've only played the first Postal game, which I won in some internet contest. Hated it, traded it away for The 7th Guest.
And yet, I will say that it is extremely cynical to judge any developer/publisher by something that the soulless entity that is Epic did.
How is Wine not native? (Score:2)
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Last time I checked GTK and QT apps do use native ELF executable formats. Win32 PE is a foreign executable app, the Linux kernel can't load these directly like they can with ELF. Its really not the same thing at all.
Wine has improved quite a bit over the years. However, there is still a performance gap when running foreign Win executables through Wine. Performance issues aside, there are still areas where Wine has not yet fully implemented the Win32 API.
The post to which you replied never said anything
How is userspace executable loading not native? (Score:2)
Wine is an executable loader and an implementation of the Win32 toolkit.
Last time I checked GTK and QT apps do use native ELF executable formats.
What practical effect does the choice of ELF or PE executable format have on an application's performance? In the MS-DOS era, were protected-mode applications compiled with DJGPP (such as Quake) considered not native because they used COFF [delorie.com] instead of the built-in, real-mode-only MZ executable format?
there are still areas where Wine has not yet fully implemented the Win32 API.
"Wine is incomplete" is a valid criticism, but it's far from "Wine is not native".
The post to which you replied never said anything about emulation.
"Emulated" is the opposite of "native" in some senses.
Until the day I can check a box in my kernel config to natively load Win32 PE binaries, its a foreign executable format.
Graphics are not handled in the kernel; they're handled by X, a user-space
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You tried to argue that Wine being foreign to the Operating System is like arguing that Qt and GTK are not native to Linux. If Win32 PEs were native to Linux, you wouldn't need Wine to run "Windows native executables".
Graphics are handled in the kernel and user space. File system drivers are handled by the kernel and user space. CUPS and SANE are system daemons and have nothing to do with the kernel, and your point is? You know what all your straw man arguments have in common, all those bloody things ar
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You tried to argue that Wine being foreign to the Operating System is like arguing that Qt and GTK are not native to Linux.
When the X Window System was first introduced, it was uncommon and therefore foreign to UNIX. When Microsoft Windows was first introduced, it was uncommon and therefore foreign to MS-DOS. It was thought that the command line was "native", and GUIs were for Macs. Heck, Windows apps even used a different executable format from MS-DOS.
If Win32 PEs were native to Linux, you wouldn't need Wine to run "Windows native executables".
I stated earlier that "Wine is an executable loader and an implementation of the Win32 toolkit". If Linux, kFreeBSD, and other kernels on which Wine runs could load PEs, this wou
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Yes! Just think of those commies, touching your hard-earned dollars with their mucky fingers, defiling the portraits of American leaders. Yuck!
Make sure you also don't hit a foreign web site while browsing - those commies are sneaky, and will insert ads in their sites, so as to lay hands on your cash in a roundabout way. Say no to terrorism - filter out all IPs outside of good old USA!
God bless America!
Can't wait for this one. (Score:2)
Portal (Score:3, Funny)
I read the story title and thought it said "Portal III, Source Engine Still Coming to Linux". I was so full of happiness and joy! A triple hit! Another Portal game, Source and Linux IN THE SAME STORY. Perhaps, once Portal was on Linux valve would port Counterstrike Source and I could forever abandon Windows! I saw a vision of a broken window, and through it poured fresh, pine scented air and butterflies and hypo-allergenic puppies. It was the happiest moment of my life.
Then I read the title again and I cried.
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You should have known something was fishy just by the fact that it's a Phoronix link. Michael Larabel has been beating the "Steam for Linux coming soon!!!" drum for going on 3 years now.
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This fits perfectly with my plans (Score:2)
This fits perfectly with my plans to dump Sony. That is, no new console from Sony, ever. I am tired of being frustrated and humiliated by Sony, and I am out hundreds of dollars of repair bills for their defective products.
Mind you, my replacement for Sony will not be Microsoft (way too evil) or Nintendo (way too cutesy). It will be a Linux game box, and as far as I am concerned, any game that does not run on Linux from then on does not exist. It's not like I have time to play all the games I have now anyway