Nintendo Downplays Reports of 3DS Flaws 65
RedEaredSlider writes "Shorty after the US launch of Nintendo's last portable console, 3DS owners have begun reporting issues with the device. In one case, dubbed the 'black screen of death,' users reported instances where their 3DS screens grew black shortly before their consoles became unresponsive. Other owners documented errors involving a screen instructing them to restart their systems. Nintendo has taken notice of the issues, and offered 3DS users a fix for the error. 'If anyone is experiencing any problems with their Nintendo 3DS console, we recommend that in the first instance they download and install the latest system update, now available online,' the company said in a statement."
The 3DS's launch was reportedly more successful than the DSi's. iFixit did a nice teardown of the device a while back, and Nukezilla's Peter Silk put the screen under a microscope.
PEBDAC? (Score:5, Funny)
users reported instances where their 3DS screens grew black shortly before their consoles became unresponsive
That happens to me all the time. Then I charge the battery.
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Of course he's the real Randal Stallman!
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What's with the Microsoft shills recently? Seems that someone's been paying good money to a sucky PR agency.
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You recognize that it is much more likely some rabid anti-ms obsessive making comments like this to try to make you hate ms.
In fact, I would not be surprised if it were twitter, and you are falling for it.
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No, it is not a shill. It is a troll.
A shill would not be so obvious. A shill would not use the name "r.stallman". A shill would not follow the same pattern so precisely that the fingerprints of the author can be spotted from a mile away. Sure, I don't know the name of the author, but you can be damn sure that all these different users are the work of one person.
We should all just ignore the posts and let the moderators mod them down.
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With regards to the console side of things, it's not so much that everyone is suddenly pro-MS. It's that everyone is anti-Sony.
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If the screen is black how can users tell if the system is unresponsive?
The same way that blind kid plays Pokemon: through audio.
And the 3DS's battery life also sucks (Score:2)
users reported instances where their 3DS screens grew black shortly before their consoles became unresponsive
That happens to me all the time. Then I charge the battery.
Sega lost the handheld race to Nintendo because Game Gear's battery life was far inferior to that of Game Boy. Sony lost the same way when the first PSP's battery didn't meet expectations that the GBA SP and the DS had built up. Reports are that the 3DS is the next Game Gear in this respect.
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And no, mobile phones don't count.
How not, other than perhaps parents not wanting the monthly bill?
Downplays? (Score:4, Informative)
Er, they released a firmware update to fix the software issue, and while they did say they haven't gotten all that many complaints about the hinges, they do appear to be fixing/replacing them for people with a bad hinge.
'Downplays' may be putting it a bit too strongly.
Re:Downplays? (Score:4, Informative)
When a customer becomes more than a customer (Score:2)
Nintendo has probably the best customer service of all three major players in the console market
This is true up to the point when a customer becomes more than a customer. When a customer wants to step up to making games or at least mods, Microsoft has that market cornered with App Hub and Xbox Live Indie Games. Nintendo has only WarioWare DIY, which some critics have called too little too late.
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Amusing. If a Microsoft handheld was doing this, all you guys would be tearing them apart and singing the praises of your DS. Instead of attacking Nintendo, you complain that "downplays" is too harsh a word. If this happened to Sony or MS, they would be fixing/replacing as well.
My experiences with the 3DS thus far (Score:4, Interesting)
I picked up my 3DS at UK launch on Friday. So far, I've had a single black-screen (which happened on quitting a game), which isn't a major irritation. The hinges, however, are very, very loose - if the thing isn't in the "full open" position, it tends to either flop towards that or to flop closed. Other than that, it feels like a fairly nice piece of kit, rather than the "plastic toy" feel you got from the DS.
The biggest problem for me has been headaches associated with even the mildest 3d settings. I've made a more detailed post about that (and other experiences with the machine more generally) in my journal, though it may be a bit on the tl;dr side.
Obviously, turning the 3d off solves this problem, but that does leave you with a machine that is basically an expensive and slightly underpowered PSP with a touchscreen.
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It is, but I suspect a lot of that power is going on the 3d and isn't actually available for games to use on straightforward visual quality. If you take the 3DS version of Ridge Racer and put it alongside the PSP version (which wasn't quite a launch title, but was still one of the earliest games on the system), then when both games are running in 2d, the PSP game looks notably better, with significantly more detail (plus the higher resolution).
Now, it's entirely legitimate to counter that the 3DS looks bett
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but I suspect a lot of that power is going on the 3d and isn't actually available for games to use on straightforward visual quality.
Depends on how you look at it. The screen is 800 pixels wide, but for the 3D effect every other vertical line is directed at your respective eyes, making the resolution effectively 400 pixels wide. Other than the double horizontal width (which of course is quite far from negligible), the 3D effect doesn't need extra processing power. The hardware does the light redirecting, which is why you have a smooth slider for adjusting the 3D depth, or "intensity" if you prefer.
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Why 3D consumes more power (Score:2)
To display 3D the system has to calculate and render each frame twice, from two slightly different vantage points. So effectively, it is running at double the nominal frame rate. In addition,
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I didn't say I wouldn't use the device - I said I wouldn't use the 3d. The thing is still going to get games that I want - unlike their full-sized machines, Nintendo handhelds tend to have very decent third party support and with Japanese developers scared to death of the HD consoles, the handhelds will still get a lot of the quirky and obscure stuff I like. There's just a part of me that wishes that they'd ditched the whole 3d thing and put out a more normal "DS2".
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Hell, they had a demo unit in freaking Target when I went in there the other day.
Though with the console bolted down it was a pain in the ass to put my head at the right angle to see the 3d clearly (and to *not* be able to see both images with both eyes and make my eyes want to cross). The effect was neat, though it seemed like it'd need careful tuning to keep from causing headaches. Kinda funny how there are people simply turning the 3D off. Well as long as they still enjoy it.
I think the thing is too e
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So you spend alot of money on a device you wont use much at all now? Why didn't you play the 3DS at a store before you bought it?
There's a lot more going on with that system than just the stereo display. In fact, I'd go as far as to say the 3d screen isn't the biggest whoop-de-doo about it, it's just the bit that makes it the most distinct from other systems.
When there aren't any demo units (Score:2)
So you spend alot of money on a device you wont use much at all now? Why didn't you play the 3DS at a store before you bought it?
Nintendo didn't have Wii demo units in stores for several months. GamePark Holdings still hasn't got any demo units of its GP2X family products into any store in the Fort Wayne, Indiana, area that I've ever seen. Nor can I find Archos 43 or Nokia N900 in stores.
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I have also experienced the black screen of death 3 times. One of those was after the firmware update. However, every
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I, sadly, had a similar headache experience. One of my students showed me his new 3DS yesterday, and I got to try it out for all of 5 seconds. The 3D effect looked pretty nice (not as strong as a TV with glasses, but I'm not sure what intensity he had it set to), but I got a headache even in that short a time, and then my eyes wouldn't focus properly for about 10 seconds. I experience a similar phenomenon with other 3D stuff (except for, oddly enough, the Virtual Boy), but never that quickly. I'll pick
Black screen of death, etc... (Score:1)
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At least Nintendo managed to launch... (Score:2)
Can't say I've had any problems yet. (Score:1)
Am I doing it right? (Score:1)
I also crashed my plane into a tree.
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And rightfully so! (Score:2)
I've actually used the 3DS for multiple days in a row now and all of these problems haven't occurred to me. As long as you install the online firmware upgrade (which might later be included out-of-the-box) you don't get those errors, and many of the build quality errors with 3DSs are, as always, just vocal minorities. Is it really that hard, even for people that don't have Wi-Fi at their home, to download a simple firmware upgrade? There's libraries, restaurants and such all over the place with Wi-Fi that y
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The psp is a last-gen handheld. If you really want to compare it to another handheld, take a look at the "NGP."
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But beyond that, this seems like a rehash of the previous generation. Sony's supporters were slamming the DS for having inferior hardware, but the DS ended up winning b
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I'm pretty sure that the 3DS will demolish the NGP in sales. It's pretty simple really, who actually uses handheld systems? Kids do. Adults are actually driving when they're in the car, and the vast majority of us have a smartphone that is "good enough" for those rare times we can actually make use of a handheld gaming device.
It's pretty obvious the NGP will cost more than the 3DS, so it has the upper hand in the kid market from the start. Nintendo is also makes much more "kid-friendly" games, in general.
I
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The price is way higher than any previous handheld from them
Without inflation taken into account. Even still, I'd expect a handheld with graphics supposedly better than the Wii, a gyroscope, two cameras (one of which is two lenses used for a 3D effect), 3D support, a touchscreen, and all of the software included with the handheld itself (there are tons of easter eggs if you look for them) to be at least the price of a Wii. The price will go down with time, of course. I think that, at launch, something as versatile as a 3DS deserves that price point (which also sets
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Hardware outclassed?
Dual displays, touch and glasses-free 3D; accelerometer; 3D camera.
Which competitor even comes close to matching those hardware features?
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Black Screen of Death fix (Score:1)
The fix for many of the black screens is to reformat the included SD card with FAT32. 3DS games and the system actually use the SD card pretty frequently, and I don't think whatever mechanism that formatted and shoved SD cards into the slots on the assembly line did a thorough job or something.
I bought one of these in 1995... (Score:1)
It looked like this [wikipedia.org]. Same issues with loose parts and headaches.
How prevalent are these problems? (Score:1)
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I haven't seen these problems, even before I installed the update.
I've seen it post-update. (Score:3)
The first thing I did was update the firmware it when I got it on Sunday so that I could see the "OK Go" video. I never saw the "bsod" requesting that you power off and on again until yesterday when I was playing Ghost: Recon for the first time. I just saw it again today, also while playing Ghost:Recon. The exact wording is "An error has occurred. Hold down the POWER button to turn off the power, then turn it on and try again. For help, visit support.nintendo.com."
I just looked for another update, and there is none.
So the issue still exists with all current patches applied, and seems to show up in Ghost:Recon, at least for me.
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The one time I BSoD'd was also with Ghost Recon, but for me before the update. May be an issue with the way that game is programmed. Or, perhaps more cases are happening with it because that game is popular; it was noted as the 3rd best selling 3DS title this week on Gamasutra.
I suspect with all the shenanigans the console is trying to do at once (rendering effectively 3 screens, game logic running in the background, pedometer, checking online for updates and notifications, transferring streetpass info) it'