Cracked Game Released To Get Back At Pirates 509
John Wagger writes "When Greenheart Games released their very first game, Game Dev Tycoon (for Mac, Windows and Linux) yesterday, they did something unusual and as far as I know unique. They released a cracked version of the game, minutes after opening their Store. The pirated copy was completely same as the real copy, except that after a few hours into the game, players started noticing widespread piracy of their games in the game development simulator."
Interesting comparissons (Score:5, Informative)
The ratio of pirate copies vs bought copies may be obscured by platform.
Looking at past Humble Bundle stats [humblebundle.com] (games _without_ DRM management) it shows that even though piracy is still as abundant, the same amount of people are still willing to pay. Even more interesting, though Windows buyers ouranked 75% of others, Linux users payed the most on average. ... and that site link in TFA just went down.
Re:Interesting comparissons (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Interesting comparissons (Score:5, Insightful)
They paid the most because their market is undeserved for high end games.
I'm hoping that you meant "underserved".
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Re:Interesting comparissons (Score:5, Interesting)
Valid.
There's other potential reasons, too, however. Let's see if I can come up with more:
1. There's a higher percentage of people running Linux who have more money to throw at games like this. Having the more money, the higher average paid is really the same (potentially less!) when you're talking averages of their income. (Don't know if there's any truth in this one, but you can test it probably the easiest out of them all, in theory.)
2. Linux people are used to and very comfortable with setting their own price. They regularly get completely free software and donate back to the original project whatever price point they choose. Many have probably watched projects that they donate to succeed, and many have probably watched projects they donate to fail. As such, they've learned some lessons about paying whatever they want and what tends to be a more successful level of pay for a project. Seeing this, they are aware that paying the more money is worth it, because they want these projects to succeed, and being more experienced than most Windows users in doing so, they pay more.
3. Maybe the Linux folk value these games more than the Windows folk do. Thus, the Linux folk pay more, regardless of the other points.
4. There's a lot of cheap people who get a cheap computer running Windows from their parents, and then only pay anything for the Humble Bundle at all, because they can get away with only paying 1 cent or 1 dollar. This isn't as prevalent in the Linux world, where more people buy their computer to their own desires, taking budget into account but not taking it for free off of their parents as much. As such, they're also more willing to pay more for products.
5. Because all of these reasons (including yours) can exist alongside one another and easily interact with one another (amplify each other, even), it could be a combination of all of these factors to various different degrees. Where income could be involved, that could influence the willingness to spend said income. With less games available for Linux, the games that are available could be seen as worth more due to the lack of supply. Putting all of these into play, you can get a complex system resulting in Linux users paying more on average when given the choice.
... There's probably more that I didn't even think about, but I figured that's a good start.
Re:Interesting comparissons (Score:5, Insightful)
6. Because many Windows people already bought the game at full price and don't feel the need to rebuy.
Windows has a pretty vibrant game market, and has good digital distribution. Many of the non-cheapskate Windows users already bought the games prior to the humble bundle happening. For example I remember when the first one came out and Linux users were spraining their arms patting themselves on the backs for paying $14 for the bundle, or about $3 per game. All I could think was that the two games I wanted from it, I already owned and had paid full price for. $20 for World of Goo and $10 for Gish. I was happy with that too, felt I got my money's worth.
So I didn't buy the bundle, there was no need. I didn't want the other games.
What you have to appreciate about the slightly higher average Linux numbers is it is still highly cheapskate. Paying a couple bucks for a game is not much at all. One game at regular price can be a good bit more than that.
I think that is no small part of it. I've only ever bought one humble bundle, and that one I didn't pay much for because again, I owned many of the games. I bought the Introversion bundle because I wanted to try Darwinia. I already owned Defcon, Uplink, and Dungeons of Dreadmor. I spend quite a bit on games, but I do it outside of the humble bundle. I think you'll find many of the non-cheapskate Windows gamers are the same.
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What does that have to do with things when. 1) notch is an OSX user and 2) their donations is not even a whole percentage of the total sales.
Re:Interesting comparissons (Score:4, Informative)
Here's a forum about this with screencaps: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=550032 [neogaf.com] They show that in the first day 6,4% were genuine versions and the rest were pirated copies.
I wonder what's the average conversion rate. Usually not all who pirate buy the game anyway. How about demo downloads versus purchases? It's a neat trick they pulled, but I think some context would be nice.
Re:Interesting comparissons (Score:4, Funny)
It would have been hilarious if they'd done a quick check on the number of downloads for the legit and pirated versions and had the percentage of piracy in the game the exact same as the percentage in real life.
Re:Interesting comparissons (Score:5, Informative)
The linked forums indicate that the piracy rate is, in fact, 6.4%, and that only ~214 copies were legitimate.
Kind of puts holes into all of the "just make a better product" arguments, huh?
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Re:Interesting comparissons (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Interesting comparissons (Score:4, Insightful)
Hardly.
With only 3344 total users I'd argue that they either need to advertise more or make a better game. Furthermore the gimmick in the pirated version may in fact drive up the piracy rate.
Re:Interesting comparissons (Score:5, Insightful)
And what % of the 3130 people that pirated it actually would have bought a legit copy?
Why is this meaningful? If I sneak into a movie theater and watch a movie without paying, it doesn't make it OK just because I would never have paid to see it. Sure my watching it doesn't "cost" the theater anything - I'm not really lost revenue for them - but that still doesn't legitimize my doing something for free that other people are paying for and in effect subsidizing.
You can persuasively argue that piracy by people who wouldn't pay for a product doesn't translate to lost revenue. You can't persuasively argue that it's "the right thing" to do, though.
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but that still doesn't legitimize my doing something for free that other people are paying for and in effect subsidizing.
And there's nothing that makes it objectively bad, either. I can only see it being annoying if the theater is crowded and you're preventing someone who paid from getting a seat. Oh, and then there's the fact that it's private property. Fortunately, one does not typically involve the author(s) at all when downloading or uploading a file, so I'm not sure about that comparison to begin with.
You can't persuasively argue that it's "the right thing" to do, though.
Why not? What if you're able to persuade someone that it is "the right thing"?
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Or bad. Since someone pirating your game costs you nothing.
"Or is the thinking here that someone will say to their friends, "hey, I downloaded this game for free and it's awesome. But you should go pay for it"?"
Seems an unlikely conversation. Someone saying to their friends, "hey, check out this awesome game." Followed by their friends telling their own friends, "Have you played blahblah, it's amazing!" Of course, it only wor
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these are mostly old games where the publisher is giving them away as advertising for a new upcoming game
Not that unique (Score:4, Informative)
>they did something unusual and as far as I know unique
If I rememeber correctly, the devellopers of Serious Sam 3: BFE did something very simlar a while back. An invincible monster would appear in the later levels of the game.
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Same with Earthbound, not unique at all: http://earthboundcentral.com/2011/05/earthbounds-copy-protection/
Re:Not that unique (Score:4, Interesting)
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This is unique insofar as they released their own cracked version, whereas I believe Earthbound and Serious Sam would detect modified launchers and activate their DRM. One of the Batman games (Arkham asylum, I think) did the same thing, it messed up your batarang so you couldn't complete certain parts. People posted about the issue, thinking it was a bug, on the official forums and then got publicly shamed by a moderator who exposed the fact the 'bug' was related to pirating the game. I don't like DRM but at least they're being creative! But with Game Dev Sim, you could argue it's not DRM.
yep most of the others who have done this have been able to actually write some cracking detection and haven't been stupid enough to a) distribute the data files without strings attached on p2p networks by themselves and b) to admit that they did do a release that way.
Its still, overall, a stupid idea. When you make it so your cracked version breaks in a non-obvious way, what you've done is create a bunch of people who hear about the game from friends or posts as being "broken" and decide they won't buy the game. They don't hear that it's only broken if its been cracked.
Re:Not that unique (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Not that unique (Score:5, Insightful)
Ah, the invincible pink scorpion. It appeared fairly early in the game, which was probably a good idea. If they'd put it in too late then pirates might have been put off (more so) from buying the game, but since it was so early it gave pirates a chance to get a feel for the game but not have to replay too much if they decided to buy it.
False Dichotomy. Assuming competence (which I realize is an unsafe assumption) they could have made the savegame from the warez version work on the official version, and the players would not have to replay anything. Just don't load the pink scorpion.
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The 1986 game Starflight required you to look up things in a code wheel. If you failed it would still let you play, but after a while a swarm of unbeatable police ships would arrive to destroy you for copyright violations.
hehehehe (Score:4, Interesting)
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The pirates are the real trolls.
This is sweet justice of the finest sort.
Re:hehehehe (Score:5, Interesting)
Don't forget Serious Sam 3, who's DRM manifested as an invulnerable pink scorpion [rockpapershotgun.com].
This is what happens when games are made by gamers. It's mainly the big, long-disconnected companies that think DRM will save their games from pirates; everyone else just acknowledges it with a little fun.
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Re:hehehehe (Score:5, Funny)
Pretty sure they stole that idea from "Top Gun" on the NES, except that in Top Gun, the DRM was active even in "legit" versions.
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I remember the old Escape Velocity space-trading series used to do something similar. You'd be flying around, and suddenly the invincible Captain Hector would show up to blow your ship out of the sky, along with a friendly reminder to register your copy of the game. He only showed up occasionally and it was possible to avoid him and land safely at planets if you were quick enough, but he certainly livened things up.
Copy protection=hard mode? (Score:3)
Heh, this reminds me of the various difficulty levels in many games going up to things like "Insanity", might actually make some gamers deliberately play the unregistered/pirated version.
"You've only beaten it on 'hardcore'? Hah! I've made it to level 7 on unregistered!'
See but that's actually problematic (Score:3)
When you have DRM in a game that fails by any method other than notifying the user and refusing to run, you create problem for legit customers. I know that DRM companies would like to try and convince people that their DRM never, ever, fails on a legit copy, but it happens all the time. DRM is not perfect, it has issues. Two games I can remember that failed to function on my system were Neverwinter Nights and Civilization 4 Beyond the Sword. Both gave me a "Insert the game disc to play," error even though I
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Until you see the actual sales of this game, where ~200 copies were legitimately purchased and the remaining 93% were pirated.
I dont know that the indy devs would call that "a little fun" as much as a "gee, do I really want to fight these battles forever as an indy dev?" wakeup moment.
Hilarious Irony (Score:5, Interesting)
People posting for help trying to progress.
I'm going to buy this game just because they have illustrated their point SO well.
Re:Hilarious Irony (Score:5, Funny)
If I buy their game, do I also get access to the cracked version to teach my kid a lesson?
Re:Hilarious Irony (Score:5, Informative)
For those that aren't aware, the original Deus Ex was released when pirated games were heavily distributed via sneakernet and usenet in the form of spanned 2 MB (or 2.88-- it's been a while) RAR images. Needless to say, this was a lot of diskettes for the games that were coming out on CD at the time, so the cracking teams would cut out every ounce of fat that they possibly could: cutscenes, non-vital sound effects, you name it. The games ran, but you were likely to miss a lot of story and fluff.
An early Deus Ex rip went through the same process, but for some reason would just stop at an early point in the game-- specifically, when you hopped on a police boat and sailed off to the next level. It turned out that the scripts used to drive the in-game cutscenes weren't designed to fail cleanly, and one of the missing sound effects caused this one to hang partway through.
People with pirated copies started complaining and looking for tech help with this baffling bug. It didn't take the devs long to figure out what was going on, and only took slightly longer for people who'd paid for it to start leaping down the throats of anyone asking for help getting past the 'buggy' cutscene.
That's pretty meta (Score:4, Funny)
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The game itself was Pirated from another game (Score:4, Interesting)
The real irony of course is that the game itself is a rip off of Game Dev Story by Kairosoft for IOS/Android.
Re:The game itself was Pirated from another game (Score:5, Insightful)
Annnd by this logic Xplane pirated MS Flight simulator. Halo pirated Wolfenstien 3d. etc.
It isn't piracy. If the gameplay is exactly the same (such as some clones that ONLY change the graphics) you might have something. If the game plays differently, adds features, etc, it's just another entry in the genre.
Re:The game itself was Pirated from another game (Score:5, Funny)
Right. Because the whole concept of "Making Computer Games For A Living" is so obscure that no one else could have ever thought of it, especially not someone who makes computer games for a living.
Re:Yup, so why do they get to demand their stuff (Score:4, Insightful)
Copying ideas is not the same thing as copying implementation.
Ideas are cheap. Implementation is expensive.
Linux is a ripoff of UNIX (Score:3, Informative)
game itself is a rip off of Game Dev Story
Any more than GNU/Linux is a ripoff of UNIX, or Mega Man is a ripoff of Contra with a life bar?
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Uh, that's not piracy. That's imitation, and that's not illegal. You're allowed to make games that are a whole lot like other games that other people have made. Game designs are not protected by copyright, and I don't think that's a problem; imitation and improvement are good things.
Guess why I don't play Tetris anymore (Score:3)
Game designs are not protected by copyright
The Tetris Company successfully sued [slashdot.org] the developer of another game with the same rules. Is Emacs [gnu.org] next [slashdot.org]?
bad astroturffing (Score:2)
Generally when you market your wares like this on slashdot, you'd want your servers to be able to handle the load. Come on people, it's not that hard anymore to make a site that can handle the load. As for the game, this is a nice bit of marketing, in that they now have people who are going to go out and look for the pirated version, and then possibly like it enough to get the real version.
New feature for the pirated copy... (Score:5, Funny)
Web cams only, something like...
Dialog Box: "The boss is angry about our games being pirated! Go see him quick! [Click here to see the boss.]"
*click*
Webcam turns on showing the person sitting at the keyboard playing the pirated game.
So .... (Score:3)
The secret to this is, slap together some nonsense game title in minutes and then download the pirated version of Game Dev Tycoon. Laugh as you earned a free game just for letting people download your non-working junk code!
slashdotted, cloudflare fail, here's a copy-paste (Score:5, Informative)
When we released our very first game, Game Dev Tycoon (for Mac, Windows and Linux) yesterday, we did something unusual and as far as I know unique. We released a cracked version of the game ourselves, minutes after opening our Store.
I uploaded the torrent to the number one torrent sharing site, gave it a description imitating the scene and asked a few friends to help seed it.
A minute after we uploaded it, my torrent client looked like this:
Soon my upload speed was maxed out (and as of the time of writing still is) and my friends and I had connections from all over the world and for all three platforms! How does piracy feel?
The cracked version is nearly identical to the real thing except for one detail Initially we thought about telling them their copy is an illegal copy, but instead we didn’t want to pass up the unique opportunity of holding a mirror in front of them and showing them what piracy can do to game developers. So, as players spend a few hours playing and growing their own game dev company, they will start to see the following message, styled like any other in-game message:
Boss, it seems that while many players play our new game, they steal it by downloading a cracked version rather than buying it legally. If players don’t buy the games they like, we will sooner or later go bankrupt.
Slowly their in-game funds dwindle, and new games they create have a high chance to be pirated until their virtual game development company goes bankrupt.
Some of the responses I found online (identities obscured to protect the guilty):
Is there some way to avoid that? I mean can I research DRM or something
And another user:
Why are there so many people that pirate? It ruins me!
As a gamer I laughed out loud: the IRONY!!!
However, as the developer, who spent over a year creating this game and hasn’t drawn a salary yet, I wanted to cry. Surely, for most of these players, the 8 dollars wouldn’t hurt them but it makes a huge difference to our future! Trying to appeal to pirates
I know that some people just don’t even think about buying games. They will immediately search for a cracked version. For this reason, when we released the game, we also published a page which targets people who search for a cracked/illegal version. Unfortunately, due to my lack in search-engine-optimization skills, that page has had no impact yet, but I hope it will convince some to buy the game in the future.
[]if years down the track you wonder why there are no games like these anymore and all you get to play is pay-to-play and social games designed to suck money out of your pockets then the reason will stare back at you in the mirror.
I do think it’s important to try to communicate what piracy means to game developers to our consumers. I also tried to appeal to a particular forum a day earlier after someone who I gave early-access to the Store seemed to have passed on the copy to others:
We’re just a start-up and really need your support. The game is only 7.99USD, DRM free
Clearly, my post hadn’t worked too well since on the same forum someone posted the earlier screenshot (“Why are there so many people that pirate? It ruins me!) just a bit after I made my appeal and this was followed by many others complaining about piracy.
I still hope that it made a difference to someone.
Anyway, how many really did buy and how many did pirate our game during this first day? The awesome/depressing results
Today, one day after release, our usage stats look like this:
Genuine version: 214 users
Cracked version: at least 3104 users
Over 93.6% of players stole the game. We know this because our game
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Side note, but CloudFlare rarely helps much with Slashdotting. Most of the time what kills a site is generating dynamic HTML out of a database without sufficient caching, and CloudFlare by default doesn't do anything about that, because it has no idea when it's safe to cache dynamically generated pages. By default it just proxies media files, so it can help things if bandwidth was the bottleneck for a server being hammered, bu
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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.greenheartgames.com/2013/04/29/what-happens-when-pirates-play-a-game-development-simulator-and-then-go-bankrupt-because-of-piracy/ [googleusercontent.com]
Like you said, all the images still work
http://www.greenheartgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/image.png [greenheartgames.com]
http://www.greenheartgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/downloadingcrackedv.png [greenheartgames.com]
http://www.greenheartgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/priate-message.png [greenheartgames.com]
http://www.greenheartgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2013 [greenheartgames.com]
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You pirated the article, think of the developers!
Re:slashdotted, cloudflare fail, here's a copy-pas (Score:4, Interesting)
Well, it's possible that without pirates to spread word of mouth, you might have only gotten 100 genuine version users. Who knows.
So I have a question... (Score:2)
If the owner/publisher released the game for free also, then it is perfectly fine to copy since it is an authorized release? Sounds like it's free to me.
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If the owner/publisher released the game for free also, then it is perfectly fine to copy since it is an authorized release? Sounds like it's free to me.
The version they released is probably free. The other version that doesn't feature massive in-game copyright infringement (piracy? YARRRRR! SHIVER ME TIMBERS) is still not free.
What does this mean (Score:2)
What does this mean? I don't understand what the company did? Can someone explain - I am not a gamer - I used to play Doom Death Match 17 years back, though.
Re:What does this mean (Score:4, Informative)
The game is a management-sim in which the player manages a game development studio.
In the normal game, you start out in the 8 bit years, writing games and selling them. You use the profits to hire artists and developers, R&D an engine, advertise, licence etc., to make bigger and more profitable games, and as time passes, technology improves. The in-game economy is balanced for a challenging but winnable game.
In the "poisoned" game they seeded the warez sites with, after a couple of hours of play, the in-game advisor says "we're seeing a lot of piracy, it's going to affect our sales". And from then on the in-game economy is deliberately wrecked, so sales figures plummet despite you doing everything right.
On cue, the messageboards see pirate gamers asking why the game suddenly became unwinnable -- asking if they can develop in-game DRM, to beat the in-game pirates.
Nice idea (Score:5, Funny)
Is it realistic? (Score:2)
Can you lower the cost and sell games DRM-free to de-incentivize the virtual pirates?
Weird quote from TFA: (Score:3, Insightful)
The game is DRM free, you can use it on up to three of your computers for your own use,
If it was actually DRM free, wouldn't there be no limit to the number of computers you can install it on? Unless the 3 computers thing is just a suggestion. If they have a server monitoring how many installs you have for a particular serial number, and prevents you from installing on more, that's not DRM free.
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If it was actually DRM free, wouldn't there be no limit to the number of computers you can install it on?
No DRM means there's no technical limit, but it still has a license that may put a limit on the number of computers. It's similar to many software EULAs out there that say that you can install it on however many computers you want, so long as you only use it on one at a time (old Borland software had a license that called this model "treat software just like a book").
Guys who steal 8$ games are not your customers. (Score:3)
Just consider a fraction of them your future customers, if they like your game, and if your name sticks to their mind at some point in the future they will buy your next game. Rest of them, just plain free loaders, if they talk about their game you might get some publicity. You have to stop thinking those 93% of them would have bought the game if it was not possible to get the cracked version
Sundog did something roughly similar back in 1984 (Score:5, Interesting)
In Sundog: Frozen Legacy [wikipedia.org] (Apple II, 1984), we had a fairly robust, multi-level copy protection method. However, many of the 'cracking' tools out at the time would actually produce a runnable copy of the game -- it was just that the game wouldn't pass its final internal DRM check. In the game, including in 'cracked' versions, you started out on the surface of a given planet (Jondd); you could drive around the planet's surface, walk around the cities, go into stores, buy and sell goods, etc. But when you attempted to lift off into space, if that final DRM check failed, you'd get the message "Clearance to lift denied due to pirate activity" and you would be unable to take off and travel to any other world or system. (Note that you'd never see that message in a legitimate copy of the game.)
Now, the game actually had space pirates who would attack your ship, so a lot of people didn't realize just what the message meant. We would get occasional phone calls from customers asking what they were doing wrong and how they could get clearance. We'd listen for a minute, then say, "Well, just mail us your Sundog floppy disk, and we'll send out a new one for free." Heh. On the other hand, we had at least one person call us up on the phone and say, "Yeah, I get it" and then order a legit copy.
Note that for those customers who did buy an actual copy of the game, if they sent in $10 along with their registration card, they'd get another Sundog floppy disk -- that is, a second complete copy of the game, which they could keep as a backup or give away (or, frankly, sell). Also, if anyone actually did have a legit Sundog floppy that died or was otherwise damaged, we'd exchange it for a new one for free.
Sundog (Apple II) was on Hardcore Computing's "Top 10 Wanted" list (for a cracked version) for quite some time. It was eventually cracked, but I believe it took a year or two. You can find runnable Apple II disk images (for Apple II emulators) online.
I really don't know what copy protection was in place for the Atari ST port of Sundog, since that happened after I left FTL Games. ..bruce..
Sounds like the pirated version's more "realistic" (Score:4, Interesting)
No sympathy for The Stupid. (Score:3, Interesting)
Are you kidding me? They release an indie game with absolutely no advertising. They put it up on a pirate website themselves with a known-bad copy. A few hours after going on sale, they're laughing at pirates and saying they have a huge piracy rate. This IS their advertising strategy, and it's as bad as they come.
When Hotline Miami released, it was available on multiple stores, was receiving a lot of coverage by major sites like Rock Paper Shotgun, and when a pirate version was released? They supported it as if it was official, because they didn't want pirates to get a bad copy of the game. They treated it like advertising, handled it well, and made significant profit with over 130,000 legitimate copies sold, and multiple ports and sequels in the works.
Hotline Miami got significant positive coverage because it was a good game, and they handled things right. This is a dismal thing which they admit is a poor clone of another game, and instead of going to bat for it, they shoot themselves in the foot and have the gall to whine for sympathy when they put it on a pirate site themselves, made it a known bad copy, AND procede to then laugh in peoples' faces after a few hours, when they do absolutely nothing else to promote themselves, or their game? Let alone produce something reasonably innovative or fun?
Let me know when some actual, live, half-way sane indie game developers show up. I'll be sure to shake their hand, instead. I'll hug and buy beer instead if it's ZUN. :P
simulations and economic theology (Score:4, Interesting)
actually, this brings up an issue that's common with all simulations that have an economic or political model - including the sims, sim city, civilisation (and clones), and so on.
they serve as a form of propaganda for particular sets of economic, political, and cultural rules, that players internalise as they play the game.
if you program the economic rules so that piracy will ruin your businness then that is exactly what will happen in the game. it says little about the real world....and it's only really obvious in a situation like this where it is a deliberately released piece of overt propaganda.
a slightly less obvious but more troubling one is the rule in Civ (etc) that democracies aren't allowed to declare war, or that military units can force workers to be content in communism. or that corruption is universal under communism but non-existent under democracy.
http://freeciv.wikia.com/wiki/Government [wikia.com]
on the one hand, these are just the rules of the game. on the other hand, they're political propaganda about the pros and cons of particular economic models.
it's not limited to computer games, either - the earliest version of the game that was ripped off to become monopoly was actually propaganda about the evils of landlords and capitalism....at least that was the author's intention. the rules, however, taught players that monopolies were a good thing because that's how you won the game.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2986/was-monopoly-originally-meant-to-teach-people-about-the-evils-of-capitalism [straightdope.com]
http://www.salon.com/2013/02/09/how_monopoly_turns_us_into_uncreative_capitalist_vultures_partner/ [salon.com]
Re:So basically (Score:5, Insightful)
You really need to read the article.
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i can't it's /.'ed. which i assume will show up in their game in the next patch.
Re:So basically (Score:5, Informative)
It's pretty sad when someone can't even work up the reading comprehension to grasp the story from a short summary.
In total, if you play the cracked version of the game, the simulator will ramp up the rate of piracy for your simulated company's games, so you will lose. It stacks the odds against you.
Re:So basically (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:So basically (Score:4, Informative)
$8 / game *214 legitimate copies = $1600.
Woooo what a payday. How many devs, how many days of work? Unless its "one dev" and "2 weeks", its not what you would really call "good profit".
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Im not sure, but Im not going to make an attempt to justify piracy with that line of thought.
The fact is
* There IS a demo
* This game is dirt cheap
* This is an indy studio
* Theyre making very little money
And scores of posters are STILL trying to justify piracy. At the least this dev deserves to have only those who have paid, receive this game.
Re:So basically (Score:4, Interesting)
It's pretty sad when someone can't even work up the reading comprehension to grasp the story from a short summary.
In total, if you play the cracked version of the game, the simulator will ramp up the rate of piracy for your simulated company's games, so you will lose. It stacks the odds against you.
it's not a cracked copy. it's a release by the developers that has built in defects.
IT IS NOT A NEW STRATEGY, several other games have done that too.
you know why they did this? for publicity.
I HAX THE HAXZORZ!!! LOLZ! (Score:5, Funny)
It's pretty sad when someone can't even work up the reading comprehension to grasp the story from a short summary.
In total, if you play the cracked version of the game, the simulator will ramp up the rate of piracy for your simulated company's games, so you will lose. It stacks the odds against you.
Anyone have a link to a hacked .exe that fixes this behavior?
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Anyone have a link to a hacked .exe that fixes this behavior?
Just buy it?
Re:So basically (Score:4, Interesting)
Which then totally fails at what they claimed to want to achieve; namely, hold a MIRROR up to pirates. Since the game ramps up piracy in the simulator to 100% over time, to ENSURE bankruptcy, it is NOT a "mirror". It's a photoshopped 'fatbooth' type pic in a mirror's frame.
Putting valid piracy statistics rates in from noteworthy logistics firms, and using that instead of a bullshit log scale would have provided an actual mirror. That wasn't what they wanted. They wanted to shut down the pirates, and feel morally superior about it, by performing a false equivilency.
I would play a game dev simulator with piracy as a feature, if the piracy model was accurate. No, a log scale over time is not accurate.
Re:So basically (Score:5, Funny)
What do you think Game Dev Tycoon is about? Railroads?
Re:So basically (Score:5, Insightful)
The fact that you will LOSE because of that is not obvious from TFS. TFA is /.ed anyway.
Re:So basically (Score:5, Informative)
What part about the title "Game Dev Tycoon" leaves you wondering what the subject matter of the game is? Even if that didn't make any synapses flash, the last sentence should have done it: "...players started noticing widespread piracy of their games in the game development simulator."
See that "game development simulator" bit? Combine that with the title and let your brain run wild.
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You seriously aren't familiar with the "Tycoon" type of games? Or did I just feed a troll?
Re:So basically (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm betting the Venn Diagram is pretty tiny when you combine "People Who Read the Gaming Section of Slashdot" with "People Who Have Never Heard of the Tycoon Games" and "People Who Can't Infer Simple Concepts from Context" and "People Who Find It Easier to Bitch In the Message Section Rather than Click on TFA".
Re:So basically (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:So basically (Score:4, Informative)
I read the article. Most of it just read like a game dev who was pissed because his game wasn't the next angry birds.
They claim 93% piracy after 1 day but I wonder how many of the 3000 (yes that many) downloaders only found out about the game due to being on the torrent site.
I'd be interested in seeing the numbers after a month and more interestingly what the reviews of the game say. Nobody will buy a rubbish game after playing it. Thats why most games companies dont usually offer game demos & hate piracy.
How many of them would have bought the game if it wasn't broken?
Re:So basically (Score:5, Insightful)
This from someone who's kicked in a lot of money for beta's and less than stellar Linux releases (Minecraft, Humblebundles, Steam, extra donations to kickstarter's to be on beta tester list). If the game is available and I try it and like it, I will buy it. If the game is crap, "pirated" or not, it's off my list. There are many other things to spend money on before wasting it on crap games.
Kudos to these guys for trying something "new", but I think they, as with all developers, need to lighten up on the "piracy is killing our business". If you're not making money because piracy is hurting your bottom line so much, don't make games. It's obviously not a viable industry. Instead we constantly read about awesome new game selling millions of copies and turning huge profits and then hear the developer screaming about how piracy is running their business. I'm inclined to believe it's a bunch of horse shit. It also makes me believe when a developer of a less than awesome game starts screaming piracy, they're full of it too and are just on the "We'd make so much more money if it wasn't for piracy" bandwagon despite the fact that their game was just crap.
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Your argument is flawed. That argument does apply to movies/TV where you can't try before you buy. Games have these wonderful things called DEMOs which allow the user to try before they buy.
That said, the devs are slightly off too: "DRM free" they say, then in the very same sentence "allow install on up to 3 computers"... hardly DRM free if it controls how many installs.
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The vast majority do have demos, and in this particular case there is a demo as well.
Re:So basically (Score:5, Informative)
You skipped the second half of TFS.
The game is a game about game development, right? In the pirated copy, the games you develop will have a chance of getting pirated (!) which goes up as time goes on, eventually causing you to lose as you are then unable to make enough money to continue. It's delicious irony.
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Perhaps that is because piracy rates are much lower for consoles. Perhaps you should ask the question "how many developers might have gone bankrupt if console piracy were as common as PC piracy?" But that's pretty difficult to answer, of course. Perhaps another question might be "how many games haven't included a PC release because the developer doesn't believe it can make money due to piracy?"
Count games for both 360 and PS3 but not PC (Score:3)
Perhaps another question might be "how many games haven't included a PC release because the developer doesn't believe it can make money due to piracy?"
You could answer this by counting every Xbox 360 game that is also available for PlayStation 3 but not available for PC, such as Mortal Kombat (2011). Because Xbox 360's API is reportedly so similar to DirectX on Windows, I imagine that a port of an Xbox 360 game to PC would be far cheaper to make than a port to libgcm, the graphics API of PlayStation 3.
Re:So basically (Score:5, Informative)
It is a game. Not the real world. In this pretend world they have in the game if your games get pirated you lose income. Whether that is the case in the real world or not is irrelevant.
Re:So basically (Score:4, Insightful)
It's obviously there to make a statement about the real world. That's why they put that in the pirated version--they wanted to tell real-world pirates how damaging piracy is by introducing bad effects within the game from game-world pirates. If game-world piracy is not representative of real-world piracy, this message is inaccurate and can be criticized for being inaccurate.
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Thanks for the translation. TFS was like trying to read a telegraph message.
You have to look at the summary encoded. The editors work for the articles. But there's way too much information to actually read the article. You get used to it. I don't even see the summary anymore. It's just first-post this, APK that....
Re:I suspect their simulation is flawed (Score:5, Informative)
Normally I'd say RTFA, but since it has been slashdotted, I'll give your ignorance a pass and just correct your errors as I encounter them.
Game prices are too high
This game was $8 USD.
People don't want to spend any amount of money without knowing what they will get in return
They offer a free demo to give you an idea, and also offer a pirated version of the game which gives several hours of unadultered gameplay before they introduce their "bug."
So many completed games simply stop being played and it's no longer useful. Is it really worth the $50+ ? Especially since you can't resell it any longer?
Again, this game was $8 USD. Additionally, the game is DRM-free, available on all platforms, and is being ported to Steam as well. This is an indy company with very consumer-oriented and forward-thinking ideas who simply conducted a fun little experiment on sales versus pirated copies.
Every single legitimate argument pirates spout cannot be applied to this situation. The game was DRM free, ported to all major OSes, offered a playable demo on their website, and very reasonably priced at $8 USD (cheaper than many mobile games).
Re:I suspect their simulation is flawed (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:I suspect their simulation is flawed (Score:4, Insightful)
"People don't want to spend any amount of money without knowing what they will get in return."? There are demo versions available.
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So certainly they will want to try it before they buy it. But if they like it and their friends like it, they will likely buy it if they can afford it.
Just like how only people who truly need it will take welfare. It has nothing to do with the fact that many people feel that they deserve to get "free" stuff just for being born.