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Want To Record Xbox One Gameplay? Get Ready To Pay 203

Posted by timothy from the nobody-rides-for-free dept.
First time accepted submitter tocsy writes "Microsoft has seemingly not learned from their previous PR fiasco. According to the official site, some features as basic as recording and sharing gameplay videos will require a $60/year Xbox Live Gold account. PS4 owners will of course also have to pay for some online services, but recording and streaming will not be exclusive to Plus subscribers."
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Want To Record Xbox One Gameplay? Get Ready To Pay More

Want To Record Xbox One Gameplay? Get Ready To Pay

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  • Or are they also doing HDCP just to make sure that if you want to record footage, you need to pony up the cash?

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by ackthpt ( 218170 )

      In Xbox Live Gold

      the Gold is what you have to give them, not to be confused with some pseudo-status.

      'and for Xbox Live Double Platinum we'll give them regular updates to the software used for paying us!'

    • Might be FUD. GameDVR is a new in-game feature. They're not removing or restricting old functionality, afaik.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by gl4ss ( 559668 )

      even fucking ouya has hdcp.

      the membership fee is a big downer. my classic xbox cost me less than the fees for 3 years.

      and no I don't really see what I'm getting for the money, I'm getting everything the membership gives for free on my pc connected to my tv. I don't need to pay MS extra for accessing netflix. I don't need to pay MS for hosting net games. I don't need to pay MS for playing multiplayer games online. I'm even using MS os on that pc connected to the tv!

      you know what was the biggest bullshit abou

      • Re: It's called a capture card... (Score:2, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        "you know what was the biggest bullshit about live gold? games like halo4. want to go online with a friend, splitscreen? well fuck you BOTH need to pay for live gold!"

        What?? Are you being serious? That's not true, you can have friends sign into your Xbox with the Guest Live account and play multiplayer on the same Xbox with just one account.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      there is no HDCP on the HDMI out on the xbone for gameplay.

      http://www.xbox360achievements.org/news/news-15728-Xbox-One-s-Gameplay-Recording-Facility-Won-t-Use-HDCP.html

  • HDCP is broken. How do they expect to prevent people from dumping the digital video stream?

  • Sony should hire the XBox PR dept (Score:5, Funny)

    by Omicron32 ( 646469 ) on Thursday August 08, 2013 @05:53PM (#44514629)
    Every time they open their mouths they make the PS4 look better.

  • YAAAWN (Score:3)

    by Ignacio ( 1465 ) on Thursday August 08, 2013 @05:54PM (#44514641)

    So what. Recording gameplay has always been easy enough for those who want to do it, and irrelevant for those that don't. The ability to record from the console itself is just another gimmick.

    • If it's such a gimmick then why charge for it? Why not just charge for services that actually provide value and make it more competitive against the PS4?

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by Ignacio ( 1465 )

        You give Microsoft too much credit.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by suutar ( 1860506 )
        same reason they require you to have Gold to watch Netflix: They can. (actually, I have a completely unsubstantiated theory that their system is set up such that any network connection that leaves your household network gets run through their servers and so you need to have Gold so that their server will let it go out the other side, but that's just a wild guess)
    • it may be a gimmick but it is a gimmick with value. Prices for a capture card range from 25$ to 150$ on Amazon.

      • Re: (Score:3)

        by Ignacio ( 1465 )

        it may be a gimmick but it is a gimmick with value. Prices for a capture card range from 25$ to 150$ on Amazon.

        Only once.

  • Microsoft has become excessively greedy, even for them.

  • Disgusting how passive people are... (Score:3)

    by blahplusplus ( 757119 ) on Thursday August 08, 2013 @05:57PM (#44514677)

    ... the reason all this nonsense is happening is because the game industry has seen the sick money from World of warcraft and F2P's and they want in on the action. Nintendo shutting down video's of people playing games and commenting them on youtube. The vast gaming masses are dumb stupid, passive, tech illiterate sheep. Gaming is suffering because of market expansion (aka appealing to the lowest common denominator).

    The worst part about it is the kids and adults who defend this crap.

    • And since this is clearly, judging by your hate-filled diatribe, the most important problem facing our nation today, I will support you 100%.
      • Games are art, and as such can be both banal or enlightening. Art is important to life too or we wouldnt spend some much time and effort on it.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by thaylin ( 555395 )
        So we only address the most important problems facing our society? We as a people are not equipped to handle taking on multiple issues?

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by rtb61 ( 674572 )

      It really is far more simple than that. New games have to compete for gamers time with old games. There are just so many old games out there that is really has slowed down the purchase of new games because a gamer when they have the time to sit down and play a game can just pick up one the ones they already own.

      So in the greed obsessed fashion of the typical psychopath, modern gaming corporations are trying to come up with ways for charging gamers to pay to play for game they already own. Things like ban

      • I really don't understand console buyers, you pay through the nose for every game you buy, in one year your typical console gamer could pay for a gaming PC in licence fee charges on games, why?

        Local multiplayer. Computers suck at it. Of course, if you never get together with one or more friends to play games you might not have any use for that.

  • Nothing to see here (Score:5, Insightful)

    by 0x15e ( 961860 ) on Thursday August 08, 2013 @05:57PM (#44514681)
    Is it really news that MS is requiring people to have a Gold account to use online features of an Xbox console? There's nothing going on here that wasn't already going on with the Xbox 360 ... except of course stirring up some more MS / Xbox One hate.

    • Re:Nothing to see here (Score:4, Insightful)

      by sl3xd ( 111641 ) on Thursday August 08, 2013 @06:36PM (#44515159) Journal

      I'd mod you up if I could.

      Xbox Live Gold is required for everything except downloading patches. It sounds like a fanboi who really knows nothing about the Xbox is proving his ignorance/making an ass of himeself.

      There's nothing new here; the Xbox Live Gold has been a thing since the original Xbox.

      • Microsoft isn't competing with the original Xbox, it's competing with the PS4. Times change. People started to think Gold wasn't such a good deal when the video apps launched and you had to buy a subscription to access video streaming services you were already paying for; it has gone downhill from there.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by N1AK ( 864906 )

          People started to think Gold wasn't such a good deal when the video apps launched and you had to buy a subscription to access video streaming services you were already paying for; it has gone downhill from there.

          The people I know who supported the PS3 over the Xbox 360 because they didn't like that you had to 'pay for online' all played online. The PS4 is going to require people to pay to play on-line, so lets assume that the PS4 doesn't require you to pay to use Netflix etc; Anyone who wants to play online

        • Re: (Score:3)

          by ildon ( 413912 )

          You're right. Times do change. And now the PS4 is requiring PS+ for all online features exactly the way MS requires Xbox Live Gold for online features.

    • Re:Nothing to see here (Score:5, Funny)

      by OhANameWhatName ( 2688401 ) on Thursday August 08, 2013 @07:52PM (#44515853)

      except of course stirring up some more MS / Xbox One hate

      What site did you think you were on?

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Yes, it is news. They're deliberately screwing their customers with no good reason for it, and their main competitors are not forcing this requirement. It's the same with Netflix - MS requires you to pay them to access your paid Netflix subscription, ridiculous.

  • Not just recording gameplay (Score:5, Informative)

    by Xian97 ( 714198 ) on Thursday August 08, 2013 @05:58PM (#44514691)
    They are also putting OneGuide and Skype behind the Xbox Live Gold paywall. It looks like most of the new features they have added to Xbox One will require XBL Gold.The PS4 will let you record gameplay without a PS+ account.

    The main difference I see in PS+ and Xbox Live Gold is that PS+ is per PS3/PS4 where Xbox Live Gold is per account. For those of us with families, that is a substantial difference. Both of my kids and myself would be able to play under the single PS+ account for $50, where for XBL Gold each of us would require our own account, bringing the total to $180.

    • Re:Not just recording gameplay (Score:5, Informative)

      by suutar ( 1860506 ) on Thursday August 08, 2013 @06:09PM (#44514823)
      If it helps, xbox live gold family gets you 4 people for $100, if I recall the number properly. Your point that xblg tends to cost more for families is still valid, though.

      • Just $100 per year to use the online features of a console which, until recently, was never meant to go offline. By grabthar's hammer, what a savings.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by robmv ( 855035 )

      False, PS+ is for all consoles the user has registered to PSN. There is a maximum of 2 PS3 and 2 Vitas (I don't remember if Vitas and PSP count in the same two). I have not read about how many PS4 will be allowed or if they will be grouped with the PS3 but Sony explicitly said that anyone can access the PS+ multiplayer on PS4 on those registered devices

  • Unless you like showing everyone how 1337 your Single Player gaming skills are, most likely you're going to have an Xbox Gold Account anyway.

    As for the other things tied to Xbox live, if all you want to do is watch Netflix on your Xbox, your better off getting yourself a Google TV and sit on the $400 you saved by buying it, or even a Chromecast and use the $65 to buy some movies to stream.

  • So they can shoot themselves in the foot twice.
  • You've been able to do more without a paid subscription on the PS3 as well, and it hasn't seemed to have handicapped the Xbox's sales and market share.

  • Want to record SNES gameplay? Too bad, that isn't a thing you can do. Not in the console hardware, anyway. Seems pretty clear that recording gameplay is an addon functionality to a game console, not part of the core functionality. It seems pretty reasonable that you might be asked to pay extra for extra functionality if you wanted it. (As opposed to "play the single-player games you already purchased without needing an internet connection", for instance, which seems like a far more core functionality.)

    Of co

    • Its not 'add-on' functionality for an x86 computer, which is what the Xbox one is. Hardware wise, it can do anything a PC with a decent vid card can do.

    • Of course, nothing stopped you from mounting a video recorder next to your tv to record SNES gameplay

      Other than that my Philips DVD recorder loses sync to the Super NES's nonstandard video signal for some reason. It records my NES's equally nonstandard signal just fine; go figure.

      and nothing would presumably be stopping you from doing the same thing now, either.

      Except perhaps HDCP on the HDMI output.

  • Microsoft? No MBASoft (Score:5, Interesting)

    by EmperorOfCanada ( 1332175 ) on Thursday August 08, 2013 @06:33PM (#44515131)
    It sounds like the spreadsheet wielding MBAs have completely taken over Microsoft. Spreadsheet thinking is an easy trap to fall into. You put up all your costs, and all your revenues and look at the bottom line. Then you start slipping in the occasional extra bit of revenue and suddenly the bottom line numbers start to grow like balloon. The key problem is that some numbers are hard factual numbers such as reducing the quality of the plastic will save you a fairly specific amount of money. But the problem is that a change of that nature may impact things like the reviews, return rates, breakage during shipping, etc. These numbers just come out of their ass and can end up being very optimistic. But you aren't looking at just one MBA with his spreadsheet but dozens all running their little fiefdoms and making their own adjustments.

    I'm not saying they shouldn't make a profit but that they often don't match the weight of the pros and cons of each decision. For example. How hard do you have to push a faithful XBox 360 user to switch to the PS4 instead of buying the new XBox? Or like XP might many Xbox users stick with the 360 instead of going to XBox Vista? Then when they start trying to poison the 360 well the users might switch to the PS4. Even more complicated is that many people might be getting their gaming from their mobile devices. Would people abandon the console for a mobile device. These are all very hard questions to quantify and thus properly spreadsheet. So the MBAs argue that action X will annoy 1% of users while adding 10% to revenue. The 10% is probably close. The 1% is just a wacky guess.

    • Re:Microsoft? No MBASoft (Score:4, Insightful)

      by OhANameWhatName ( 2688401 ) on Thursday August 08, 2013 @08:01PM (#44515895)
      I like the point you're making, it's very true. Not every 'saving' is really a saving.

      Would people abandon the console for a mobile device

      But this is so much more true. The 'gaming console' era is nearing the end of it's teather. People are sick of the pump and dump shoot by wire FPS rubbish which has been churned out for the last 10 years. Couple this with mobile gaming devices that are powerful enough and full of fun (if not graphtastic) cheap games using effective intuitive controls along with simple effective PC gaming that moves SSSOOOOO much faster that and you've got the death of the loungeroom gaming device.

      I don't think it's that the MS beancounters are necessarily killing the platform. But unfortunately, nobody is reviving the platform. There's little to encourage people to desire these expensive, inflexible and nonsensical devices in the face of so much change. The XBOX 1 market is essentially the XBOX 360 market, only smaller.

      Until the beancounters face up to the need for massive change, aint nothing gonna keep this dead duck breathing.

      • I'm not so sure I agree with the end of tether argument. I spend a lot of time answering Yahoo! Answers questions, and one of the most common ones that I see is 'How can I build a PC that plays <insert modern game> well at <insert resolution near 1080p> at med-high settings at good (30-60) fps, for 500-700$?" or some form of that question. I like to think that this is at least somewhat representative of a good portion of the gaming market, young, unemployed, and with parents that aren't willing

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by 0123456 ( 636235 )

          I like to think that this is at least somewhat representative of a good portion of the gaming market, young, unemployed, and with parents that aren't willing to drop 1500$+ for a moderate gaming PC.

          $1500 for a 'moderate' gaming PC?

          I built a new gaming PC for $1500 last year. It has the second most powerful consumer CPU at that time, tons of RAM, an SSD, 3TB of hard drive space, and a mid to high-end GPU that plays most games maxed out at 1920x1080.

          $700 should get you a 'moderate' gaming PC. After all, most PC games are ports of consoles with hardware equivalent to about a five-year old PC.

          • Re: (Score:3)

            by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

            $1500 for a 'moderate' gaming PC?

            I built a new gaming PC for $1500 last year. It has the second most powerful consumer CPU at that time, tons of RAM, an SSD, 3TB of hard drive space, and a mid to high-end GPU that plays most games maxed out at 1920x1080.

            $700 should get you a 'moderate' gaming PC. After all, most PC games are ports of consoles with hardware equivalent to about a five-year old PC.

            Better yet, get a 'moderate" PC for $200 (which runs basically most games for PC anyways) and pick up a used PS3 f

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by N1AK ( 864906 )

          And let's be real, mobile phones will never eliminate other gaming markets, especially now that virtual reality is finally progressing again (Oculus Rift, Virtuix Omni, other livingroom VR technologies).

          I'm really not sure. If anything the move towards VR will push the move away from PCs in the traditional sense. I don't want to be tethered to a PC to use VR, much better to have a centralised server of some kind that does the heavy lifting for appliances around the house (maybe it'll sit next to a screen/ke

      • Couple this with mobile gaming devices that are powerful enough and full of fun (if not graphtastic) cheap games using effective intuitive controls

        Say one were to make Mega Man 2 or Bionic Commando or DuckTales or any of several other classic Capcom platformers for a touch-screen mobile gaming device like the fourth-generation iPod touch. What "effective intuitive controls" would a touch-based platformer use?

        • Absolutely. I am not saying so much that mobile devices are as good. It is more of a resource issue. People have limited, money and time to dedicate to gaming. So when you mobile budget is competing with a new console and its associated games for many people the mobile will win. With the mobile they can also do some satisfying gaming; satisfying enough for many that is.

          Many people blame piracy for killing record stores and then video stores. But an interesting factoid is that if you look at younger people
  • I will never buy xbox live again because it was so impossible to cancel the last time.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Desler ( 1608317 )

      How was it "so impossible to cancel"? You:

      1) Navigate to live.xbox.com.
      2) Sign into your account.
      3) Click "My account".
      4) Click "Cancel Auto Payment".

      Now you've canceled your service.

  • Sony, of course, rushed to remind the public that their video streaming and video share feature will be free. Sony's strategy seems obvious, when Microsoft announces a restrictive (used games) or $$$ oriented policy, Sony gets a free PR bon-bon by reminding everyone about their new PS4. Can Microsoft really not see one move ahead on the chess board?
  • Maybe the Xbox factory is just a front for drugs or something.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by mjwx ( 966435 )

      Maybe the Xbox factory is just a front for drugs or something.

      Nah, drugs are highly profitable. Microsoft's entertainment division doesn't do profitable.

  • I get it, you're pissed. You (the general population posting in these forums) hate Microsoft, this is a chance to try and get others to rally behind you. You claim that this is the feature/policy that broke the camels back and now you definitely will not be buying an xbox ever again. To you, charging for video streaming is just one more way that "the man" is trying to stick it to you. Last time it was Netflix, those bastards.

    I tend to approach it from the other perspective. For the last 6 years I've been

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