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$3 Million Fortnite Winner Becomes Latest Swatting Target (arstechnica.com) 154

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: Kotaku reports that Kyle "Bugha" Giersdorf was streaming a Fortnite game late Sunday when he abruptly left his desk and abandoned the game with the livestream still running. The cause? His father coming to tell him that armed police were at the front door. Fortunately, Bugha returned unharmed to the stream several minutes later. "That was definitely a new one," he can be heard saying on a recording of the stream. "I got swatted." The comparatively quick and peaceful resolution of the issue was in part due to sheer good luck. "I was lucky because the one officer, yeah, he lives in our neighborhood," Bugha explained on the stream.

Bugha won $3 million for his first-place finish in the first-ever Fortnite World Cup in July and even appeared on The Tonight Show to talk about his win with host Jimmy Fallon. He is also all of 16 years old, and so a threat against him also involved his parents, whose personal information may have been easy to find. "Swatting" occurs when someone places a hoax emergency call to a police department, hoping to mobilize an emergency response (i.e., a SWAT team) to the victim's home. Bugha was lucky in that the officers who responded to his address were of a mood to ask questions first.
Not all swatting victims are so lucky. In 2017, a Kansas man named Andrew Finch was killed during a swatting event even though he was not the intended target. The man behind the hoax call was sentenced to 20 years in prison earlier this year for his role in Finch's death.
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$3 Million Fortnite Winner Becomes Latest Swatting Target

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  • by crgrace ( 220738 ) on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @05:24PM (#59084142)

    If a swatter calls 911 aren't all calls recorded? How hard is it to catch the caller? There aren't really many pay phones around anymore so couldn't they track the call (unless the caller is using a burner, I guess).

    This is gross misuse of public resources and well as the height of recklessness. This kind of behavior should seriously be clamped down on.

    • by known_coward_69 ( 4151743 ) on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @05:25PM (#59084146)

      supposedly you can use some shady VOIP service which makes it hard to track down

      • Hard? Ok. People are getting killed and officers allocated to situations they aren't needed in.
        We should avoid prosecution because it might be hard to track them down? If this means imposing sanctions on the countries where these services exist, so be it.
        This is a very serious problem that I don't think most people really grasp. This is isn't "petty gamer kids playing pranks on eachother".

    • If a swatter calls 911 aren't all calls recorded? How hard is it to catch the caller? There aren't really many pay phones around anymore so couldn't they track the call (unless the caller is using a burner, I guess).

      This is gross misuse of public resources and well as the height of recklessness. This kind of behavior should seriously be clamped down on.

      The guy that did this in Wichita is cooling his heels in jail for 20 years. It seems like they are pretty serious about clamping down on this behavior already.

    • by Type44Q ( 1233630 ) on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @05:45PM (#59084192)

      How hard is it to catch the caller?

      The NSA did not just flash a quick grin; that was only your imagination.

    • by link-error ( 143838 ) on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @06:01PM (#59084242)

          It's also a major problem that "swatting" the wrong house leads to major injury and death. Police should always assume there could be innocent people in a location or that they are in fact, at the wrong location.
          Way to much military tactics being used. Flash-bang's in cribs?

    • They use various tricks to disguise the originating phone number. Once everyone figures out it was a hoax, it can be difficult to trace due to jurisdictional issues - the caller is usually not located in the same state as the target. So you have to convince another police force to investigate on your behalf, and there can be complexities around the interaction of the laws between states.

      Also, it's not a felony in many states. Even in the states where it is, it's not a big, flashy crime. So it's not high

      • by Cederic ( 9623 )

        How does this not qualify as wire fraud, allowing the FBI to appropriately address this?

        • It might be possible to classify it as such, but so far no one is interested in trying it.

          Again, as long as no one gets hurt, it's a low priority. If someone gets hurt, then the laws surrounding that injury come into play and you don't need to stretch existing statutes.

    • by duke_cheetah2003 ( 862933 ) on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @07:06PM (#59084404) Homepage

      How hard is it to catch the caller?

      Pre-paid burner phone.

    • Seems like $3 million would go a long way to hiring some investigators to track down the swatter and some bitcoin to use as payment to care of the problem.

      • Not worth it, win 3 million and perhaps spend 10-15 in jail for a swatting that was nothing more than a knock on the door? What I don't get is why the police feel that it's justified to storm a building before assessing the situation other than getting a phone call? How many people has it EVER saved and how many accidental killings have occurred because of it?
    • by Ranbot ( 2648297 )

      Swatters can be caught, but that takes some time and law enforcement has to respond to the potential threat immediately. They need to follow-up with tracing and the punishments need to be harsh enough to deter it from happening in the first place.

      See also: fake bomb threats on schools

  • Anonymity must be limited. Let's see the outrage of the AC trolls, eh?

    There are times when anonymity is justified. Calling in fake SWAT reports is NOT one of them.

    There is a kind of paradox here. Secrecy can be justified by prior secrecy. Ditto anonymity. Swatting is based on this kind of jujitsu.

    Paraphrasing is awkward, but: "There is a secret crisis that requires a SWAT team response, but whoever I am who is reporting the crisis, I am claiming that I am in some way part of the secret. Therefore you have t

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by bobbied ( 2522392 )
      In case you haven't noticed.. Slashdot did away with AC posting for some reason. I wonder why?
      • by RightSaidFred99 ( 874576 ) on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @06:00PM (#59084238)
        And is about 1000x better off for it. I actually dusted off my old account because now it's not all dreary, boring racist nonsense being posted by edgy ACs. SNR went up by about 50.
        • And is about 1000x better off for it. I actually dusted off my old account because now it's not all dreary, boring racist nonsense being posted by edgy ACs. SNR went up by about 50.

          What surprised me was how much the total number of posts for each article dropped. I never really gave much thought to how many posts were made by ACs, but now it's pretty obvious.

          On top of that, it is now pretty clear that Slashdot really has relatively few active posters left anymore. I would assume that a small handful of pe

          • Slashdot readership has been in very heavy decline long before the removal of anonymous posting. Many people have moved to SoylentNews or Reddit for community discussion or get their news directly from sites such as ArsTechnica or from YouTube channels. It's a shame because I think Slashdot's threaded comment system with meta-moderation is better than any other site but Slashdot just hasn't done much of anything to keep people actively engaged with the site.
            • It's a pity. I've been coming here for many years and I always found the comments interesting. I might have to try some of the alternatives
      • by PCM2 ( 4486 ) on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @06:03PM (#59084254) Homepage

        AC posts have been truly shit lately. At the same time, AC is so fundamental to /. that I'm seriously considering posting nothing but frosty piss, GNAA trolls, and Jon Katz fanfic until they cancel my account.

        PS check my eserid

        • by sconeu ( 64226 )

          I can live with frosty piss and GNAA, but come on.... Jon Katz fanfic? That's beyond the pale!!!

        • by shanen ( 462549 )

          I'd give you the funny mod if I ever got a mod point to give. So I have to beg "Mod parent up."

        • Good luck. I have a troll account I use from time to time. The last two comments I posted under it were completely removed. I can't even see them under my profile.
        • by Calydor ( 739835 )

          Seriously, though. It's not like you use a credit card to sign up for Slashdot, just make burner accounts if you have something important to say you don't want attached to your main account. Whether logged in or not the site's internal logs save the same info about IP, time etc.

      • In case you haven't noticed.. Slashdot did away with AC posting for some reason. I wonder why?

        Wow! No, I was already filtering against AC to the maximum degree possible, but now you made me look and I don't see them. When did this happen? It can't have been too long ago. (Also, this is a conditional response. I can't find any fresh AC comments just now, but lack of evidence is not a proof of nonexistence.)

        My first reaction is "Given all the shite flowing from the ACs, what did an AC write to finally persuade the powers of Slashdot to kill the option?" It must have been pretty amazing. It's almost e

        • In the last week perhaps? Anon was good, but the sheer volume of spam was unbelievable. I've no idea why on Earth those people/bots kept it up for so long actually. It had been going on for a while, maybe some years, but had really gotten worse in the last 6 months or so. Glad to see the back of those pillocks to be honest.
        • I don't know of any way that the police can somehow determine that there's some specific streamer at a given location in order to do said verification.

          And of course, the problem with creating such a database is that, even if you trusted law enforcement with this information, it would eventually be accidentally leaked and then you've just doxxed every streamer in the country.

          • by shanen ( 462549 )

            Hmm... Good point. But maybe it could be part of a celebrity-protection thing? They don't need to cover everyone, mostly just people who want such protection, with perhaps some outreach for likely targets.

            It raises an interesting question in this specific case. Was he attacked because he was famous, or was it personal? One of the losers in the Fortnite game?

            Have they caught the perp yet? And what sort of logs does the game create? If they can match the suspect against the logs, then it might be a paper case

      • I was extremely disappointed when I noticed that Slashdot did away with anonymous posts. What annoys me even more is that I didn't see an Ask Slashdot about whether or not the option should be removed nor did I see an article after it was removed. The whole thing appears to have been done without any input from the community and the only way to discuss it is by starting an offtopic conversation such as this.

        Some of the best posts I've read on Slashdot have been anonymous. Providing that option allows
      • Erm, I still have the post anon checkbox? I'm not sure what you mean?
    • Suppose you tell the cops you're John Doe, a pizza guy who was driving by. Are they going to have to track you down and interview before sending the team to a potentially time-sensitive situation?

      Even if you say you're Mickey Mouse, they have to take your call seriously because if they don't, people could die if it's a Of course we know the cops don't really have to do anything, and sometimes when they do respond, more people die than if they didn't, but that's beside the point.

      There's never going to be a

      • by shanen ( 462549 )

        Not clear what your focus is, but on your numbered list the first one is already true and the second one is essentially the situation the fake SWAT caller is trying to create, deliberately, with malice, and possibly with practice if he hasn't been nailed and jailed on his first attempt. Maybe you could clarify?

        However my point is that this crime is increasing the pressure for more surveillance. If the cops can instantly find the cameras that are looking at the 911 caller, then they have him in the bag. If t

        • And the need to report a crime anonymously will always exist. Say for example you are part of a terror cell who is going to do very bad things. But you get cold feet or... I don't know, don't want to do bad things, whatever. But you KNOW that part of the cell are people in law enforcement, you would have no way to alert the authorities. I do think that alerts without proper and full identification should be taken more lightly and more of an effort should be made to assess the validity of the report, BEF
          • by shanen ( 462549 )

            I think we are agreeing but sideways. I think I can clarify from your example: If the identities of the members of the terror cell were not secret, then there would be no need for the secrecy in reporting who they are. I previously worded it as justifying secrecy (including anonymity) in terms of prior secrecy.

            There are various abuses of anonymity, but the one that seems to have been the biggest problem on Slashdot was acting like a dick simply because there was no accountability. The total ban on AC postin

    • by segin ( 883667 )
      The answer to fascism is not more fascism.
      • by shanen ( 462549 )

        Explain or I'm calling BS. How do you equate calling in a fake emergency with being a fascist? However the confusion you are apparently creating could certainly be exploited by fascists to justify more fascism.

        Right now I think you're just some kind of naive ideologue (in the PI camp). You are probably confused about what freedom is (but see my sig, especially the penultimate term). However in the general case (which applies to most ACs), I divide them into proudly ignorant, sincerely stupid, or paid to pla

  • USA USA USA (Score:4, Interesting)

    by sit1963nz ( 934837 ) on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @05:49PM (#59084204)
    Swatting, school shootings, mass shootings, parents buying bullet proof backpacks for their kids ,high crime rate, worlds largest prison population....what the hell has gone so wrong in the USA ???
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by bobbied ( 2522392 )

      Swatting, school shootings, mass shootings, parents buying bullet proof backpacks for their kids ,high crime rate, worlds largest prison population....what the hell has gone so wrong in the USA ???

      Seriously? It's not just the USA you know. It seems to be a fact of the human condition that some of us do shockingly evil things and it doesn't matter where on the face of the earth people are.

      And you need to take a look at the number of events to the number of people. I think if you make a fair comparison of violent crime deaths per 100K of population and compared it to some other countries, the USA isn't likely at the top of the list for nearly any specific crime you can name. We have a LOT of peopl

      • Re:USA USA USA (Score:5, Informative)

        by sit1963nz ( 934837 ) on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @06:31PM (#59084318)
        Per 100,000 the USA is the 143rd safest country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] There are MORE countries better than the USA than are worse. And by country, you are 7th for the most murders Yes, some countries are much worse, but some countries are also a hell of a lot better.
        • ...and one of the reasons that the SWAT team didn't go in all trigger happy is that one of the cops knew him.

          No need to hire a hit for big $$ anymore, just pay some kid to disguise a 911 call.

        • Re:USA USA USA (Score:5, Insightful)

          by bobbied ( 2522392 ) on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @07:30AM (#59085416)

          Per 100,000 the USA is the 143rd safest country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] There are MORE countries better than the USA than are worse. And by country, you are 7th for the most murders Yes, some countries are much worse, but some countries are also a hell of a lot better.

          Unfortunately, this is a matter of how statistics are collected and reported. For instance, in the USA "Gun Deaths" includes intentional suicides and accounts for a full 2/3rds of the reported number in the USA, where we count them as homicides. Other countries do NOT count suicides in their numbers. Also, reporting criteria and accuracy varies from country to country. We really don't have good numbers in many of the third world countries that don't have functional governments which keep accurate records. So I question the numbers overall for some of those.

          If you take the developed countries with similar economies and standards of living, the USA isn't at the top of that list, or at the bottom. This tells me that we are not hugely different than most countries like us in violent death rates. HOWEVER, if you look at the number of weapons we have, the USA wins, hands down as having the most guns. Yet, our violent death rates are not off the charts high. As other posters have pointed out, if you scratch off a few square miles from two cities from our statistics, Chicago and Baltimore we drop nearly to the bottom of the list. Most of the USA is extremely safe, and exceedingly well armed, on average.

          So, my original point stands. A percentage of people are bad, no matter where you find them, it's part of the human condition and it's pretty much everywhere. It's been this way since Cain and Abel, and will be this way until the world comes to an end and there is no earthly solution that fixes But I'll ad the following point: it. It DOES seem though that legal gun ownership doesn't change any of the death rates, at least in the USA.

          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            As noted on Wikipedia, they use the UN definition that does not include suicides for the US statistics.

            The real questions are:

            1. Would fewer guns lower the murder rate? Seems likely that it would.

            2. Is the higher murder rate a price worth paying for high levels of gun ownership?

            • Three things for you..

              1. The second amendment of our constitution exists, like it or not, and it recognizes the natural right to arms for defense. The courts have held that this right includes owning modern firearms and this must be allowed for law abiding citizens in their right minds. It also means that government MUST show cause to a court to deny you this right. Just like they have to show cause to take your life or liberty, they must show case to abridge the right to arms. This means that law abidin

              • 1. if it was a natural right it doesn't need to be in the constitution and it certainly wouldn't be an amendment!
                2. Look at the gun homicide stats of other countries that allow guns in private hands. Your argument has no merit, it fails.
                3. USA has more mass shootings per year than countries in a civil war! Again, your argument has no merit and fails.

                Guns make impulsive violence so much more violent than it would likely be without guns.

              • 1. Violence rates are falling almost everywhere, without a proportionate increase in gun ownership. So your assertion about the inverse relationship needs much more support than you've provided, so is highly suspect in the present.

                2. Violence in gun free zones : there is high incidence of violence when the gun potential difference is high, without sufficient insulation. E.g. high gun ownership in surrounding area, but a bar/school/theatre/mall is gun free : such gun free areas are vulnerable. Because the bo

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

            Look at the graph on the right hand side, deaths by suicide and homicide are separated. Look at the US rate vs other wealthy countries.
      • Re:USA USA USA (Score:5, Insightful)

        by jrumney ( 197329 ) on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @06:34PM (#59084324)

        For murder rates, among OECD countries USA is second only to Mexico. 5 years ago it was behind Estonia and Turkey as well, but murder rates in those countries have fallen while US has climbed from 3.8/100k to 4.9/100k. All of Europe besides the ex-Soviet countries is below 2.

        It is just the USA. Comparing yourselves to war torn African and Middle Eastern countries and drug lord infested Central American countries so you can pretend the US does not have a problem is burying your head in the sand.

        • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

          by Cmdln Daco ( 1183119 )

          And yet huge non-Chicago and non-Pittsburgh expanses of the USA have a fairly minimal murder rate. I don't feel endangered going outside any time, for instance.

          One has to look at who is doing all the killing, and why.

          • Who...US citizens
            Why... because its the American way
          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by bradley13 ( 1118935 )

            "One has to look at who is doing all the killing, and why."

            You can't do that, though. The results would be totally non-PC. For example, according to the 2017 FBI stats (the most recent year with definitive data), black males between the ages of 17 and 39 carry out far more murders than any other group [fbi.gov]. Hence, no surprise, murders tend to be concentrated in the black areas of the big cities: St. Louis, Philadelphia, Baltimore, etc..

            The problems with black culture in the US are well-known, but no one is willi

            • Sadly, I agree with you. Being a middle aged white guy, my opinion doesn't count even though it is informed by having lived and gone to public school in one of the poorest counties in North Carolina because my family was poor when I was in High School. It doesn't matter that I am well acquainted with the social and cultural norms that lead to perpetuating the condition of being poor, regardless of one's skin color. It also doesn't matter, that I was able to rise above this though working hard, going to col

            • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

              by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

              black males between the ages of 17 and 39 carry out far more murders than any other group

              Except that's not what your source actually says. But when people try to tell you that, you accuse them of being PC.

              The stats say that more black men between 17 and 39 are *convicted* of murder than any other group. And as we know, black people are convicted at a much higher rate than other groups. The data doesn't adjust for that.

              It also doesn't adjust for economic status. It isn't comparing black people of similar economic status to other groups of similar economic status. Again, we know that poverty bree

              • It also doesn't adjust for economic status. It isn't comparing black people of similar economic status to other groups of similar economic status.

                Irrelevant. The conviction rates represent actual individuals, and a percentage of the whole. There is no need for 'adjustment'.

                black people are convicted at a much higher rate than other groups

                You're implying false conviction, but you have no figures to support that assertion.

                There is really no evidence that this is anything to do with "black culture", and a mountain of evidence that suggests it is to do with poverty and bias.

                If no pertinent observations can be made about "black culture" to imply contributing factors towards incarceration rates, then you may want to consider removing your ideological blinders.

                But point that out and someone will brand you an SJW. I get the impression that they mainly do that to avoid anything being done about the problem.

                Likewise, certain facts are somehow racist. But at least I can appreciate the subtlety of invoking a victimhood n

                • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

                  Not necessarily false conviction, although with the epidemic of unfair plea bargaining that's certainly a factor.

                  Studies have repeatedly shown that the lighter the accused's skin, the less likely they are to even be brought to trial, the less likely they are to be convicted on the same evidence, and the less harsh the punishment. It's not even just a black/white thing, black people with darker skin actually get punished more too.

                  • Not necessarily false conviction, although with the epidemic of unfair plea bargaining that's certainly a factor.

                    Studies have repeatedly shown that the lighter the accused's skin, the less likely they are to even be brought to trial, the less likely they are to be convicted on the same evidence, and the less harsh the punishment. It's not even just a black/white thing, black people with darker skin actually get punished more too.

                    Again, the implication is that the crime statistics are faulty and misleading based on a supposition that all groups commit crime at equal rates. Apparently we're not supposed to look at the demographics for the U.S. cities with the worse gun violence, homicides, and robberies, and use that as the basis for any hypothesis because willful denial is the order of the day.

                    Also please excuse me for extreme skepticism towards any 'studies' involving social justice. [areomagazine.com] To say that too often the methodology and assump

            • by Uberbah ( 647458 )

              Lies, damned lies, and racist AF statistics, as Ami just spelled out.

          • by jabuzz ( 182671 )

            Most American's see nothing wrong with chlorine washed chicken. Perhaps if know that the rate of Salmonella in the USA is at least 10 times higher than in the UK you might change your mind. Remember Salmonella is a killer.

            Your perception of safety is clouded by what you consider to be normal, that is you don't feel endangered because you are used to that level of danger. Someone used to a much lower level of danger would feel endangered.

          • by Uberbah ( 647458 )

            One has to look at who is doing all the killing, and why.

            Did a hood get in the way of finishing out that thought process? If it slips I imagine it must make it harder to type accurately.

    • .what the hell has gone so wrong in the USA ???

      It all started with too many Clint Eastwood movies and it's been a slow slide from there..

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    • Criminals have guns in tge rest of the world as well. They also have equivilent things to SWAT teams. How come swatting is not an issue in the rest of the world?

      Incredibly bad police training that emphasizes the safety of the officers over that of the public. And then gives them military-style gear and military-style tactical training. The result is a body of men acting like an invading force and not like peace officers.

    • Because in the rest of the world SWAT teams aren't military trained and have a military mentality. But then again they don't have to be, since in most countries people are less armed... except Sweden, where they don't have SWATTING issues. Hmm, you might have a point.
      • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

        You may not be 100% correct, in that some nations ex-military join the police force as some of their training is well suited to some tasks. Some of their military training, obviously, may not be well suited to law enforcement, certainly.

        Most riot or special response teams in Australia have access to armoured vehicles and weapons that can penetrate such vehicles, as well as general crowd clearing weapons, like heavy machine guns.

        Hopefully they'll never need to be used!

  • by DutchUncle ( 826473 ) on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @10:59AM (#59085972)
    We don't need new laws - we already have laws about "filing a false police report" and "endangerment". We need for everybody in the news and the government to stop treating it as a "prank" like calling in a fake pizza order. Of course, we can argue about whether the civil police should really be showing up in military gear with continental-siege-level weaponry, but even an old-fashioned marshal with a handgun is dangerous if primed with a sufficiently horrific story to investigate.
  • by Mike Van Pelt ( 32582 ) on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @03:44PM (#59086942)

    The capability to spoof the Caller-ID to a number you are not verified as owning should be made *GONE*. Immediately. Certainly for calls to 911, but I'd say across the board. There is no legitimate use case for this, at all. It's a legacy gaping security vulnerability that has no business still being left wide open.

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