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Microsoft is Still Planning a Cheaper, Disc-Less Next-Gen Xbox, Report Says (kotaku.com) 32

In June, Microsoft announced Project Scarlett, a new iteration of the Xbox that the company said would "set a new bar for console power, speed and performance." What Microsoft didn't say is that it is also working on a lower-cost, disc-less version of Scarlett, code-named Lockhart, Kotaku reported Wednesday, citing four people briefed on the company's plans. From a report: If those names sound familiar, that's because they've been floating around for a while. The earliest rumors about Microsoft's next-gen roadmap, circa 2018, suggested that Project Scarlett would consist of two Xbox models: the high-performance Anaconda and the lower-end Lockhart. In June, however, Microsoft announced that Scarlett was a single, high-end console, which led to speculation and then press reports that Lockhart had been canceled. But Kotaku has learned that Lockhart is in fact still in the works as a cheaper, digital-only alternative to Scarlett, as the original rumors suggested. What we don't know -- and what likely isn't finalized yet -- is how the pricing will shake out. But it's easiest to think of Anaconda as a successor to the Xbox One X and Lockhart as a successor to the Xbox One S, with a similar performance disparity. Game developers will be expected to support both Anaconda and Lockhart, which some are worried might hamper their ambitions for next-gen games in the coming years.
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Microsoft is Still Planning a Cheaper, Disc-Less Next-Gen Xbox, Report Says

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  • ...my xbox one already lags on games i know dont lag on playstation. i consider myself an xbox guy buy will be going playstation next. tired of seeing OBVIOUS low FPS (under 30). esp since unlike PC games they dont let you turn down the graphics detail.
    • They really threw the Xbox One and Xbox One S under the bus when the higher spec Xbox One X came out. Games run terribly on the original systems, but the base PS4 keeps a much closer pace with the PS4 Pro by comparison. Recent graphical monsters like God of War and Death Stranding run just as well. VR works well on the launch PS4 too. I would have more faith in Sony's commitment to a smooth experience all generation long when buying a launch PS5.

      • by dstyle5 ( 702493 )
        I have a One X and Gears 5, the microtransaction shit show game has been lagging on it lately. Pretty bad how they make you pay with iron for microtransactions if you want to speed up tour of duty and you need to buy boost to get double stars on Saturday. Nice "free" game Coaltion. lol. Gears 4 was way better than the Gears 5 milk your users gong show. Guess that is what happens when they put in in Gamepass.
        • Yeah, reduce the grinding by paying, and they're often one-time use items.

          I thought Microsoft would want to put forth their best in first party games to set a high standard, but they are cramming that stuff in on their own games anywhere they can.

          Their own studios are trying to make online games with no ending as well to keep people playing, their games give you bonus points for streaming on their Mixer video streaming service to boost that, their UI is full of ads even if you pay a subscription for Gold to

          • Wait...

            Are you trying to tell me that if we accept shitty, laggy games with tons of microtransactions that make millions/billions they'll just keep doing it?!
            WHAT?!?
            Obviously the only solution to this is what we, the gaming community as a whole, have been doing...

            Whining online while buying said games and buying those microtransactions and never demanding anything different. I mean we HAVE to have the newest game RIGHT FUCKING NOW right? How could we ever do without until they get the picture and produce de

  • If you look at the price difference between the current Xbox One S and the Xbox One S All Digital Edition, the discless XoSADE has a higher MSRP than the normal console and is usually only about $20 cheaper when on sale than the one with the disc. It's been out for almost a year and it hasn't really been that relevant when considering price.

    The Xbox One already makes users download a Blu-ray app, and MS only pays the Blu Ray license fees when a user downloads the app. They could even charge for it if they w

    • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

      I don't expect the discless next generation console to be much cheaper either, and certainly not worth it when you cut out the ability to buy used games or use a service like gamefly, and lack the ability to play Blu rays for those who don't want an extra device.

      Problem is, most people don't caqre - PC users are already used to digital downloads only. Most games are sold as downloadables - Sony's stunt was correct at the beginning but you can bet the majority of sales for games are digital downloads on both

      • Physical sales are only down because downloading games became viable. The original 360 didn't even have a hard drive in the base model, and downloading games was a new thing and reserved for small projects. They limited downloadable games to under 100MB, slowly increasing size over time, and many games were disc-only and never saw a digital release.

        Physical games are not going to just die off, a lot of people see the value and refuse to go digital unless that's the only way to get a game, and that's still r

      • PC users accept digital downloads because steam runs constant sales with huge discounts. If you follow the digital stores for PS4, XB, and Switch, there are never sales, you always pay MSRP, and the experience is trash.
        • There are constant sales on the PSN store, and I'm pretty sure the Xbox store too. Nintendo's store is another story.

          If you don't believe me, visit the PlayStation store website. There are recently released games (like The Outer Worlds) at sale prices now. I don't think thereâ(TM)s been a week without a sale in a couple of years...

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    • The 4K Blu Ray player was the main reason we bought a Xbox One S when we got a 4K TV; my gaming time isn't what it used to be.
  • This may go over well to start, but when folks start breaching their bandwidth data caps every month, it won't be nearly as fun.

    • If you look at the 4k texture packs for games on the Xbox One X I'd wager you're right.

    • I am already close to breaching the Comcast data cap of 1TB constantly with just streaming. If I download one game as well I know I will breach. COD modern warfare for example just came out and was about 150 GBs. There is 3 of us in the house but there is no way we can survive all downloaded games without costing us money every month.
    • This is why we need 5g to the home. In New England there are no data caps because the population is dense enough that fiber was rolled out to compete with cable. Thus no cable bandwidth limits here. Verizon and ATT have pretty much stopped or sold off their fiber roll outs. Only 5G will pick up the slack to expand internet competition for most places.

  • on not buying it.
  • Hello there, but I for one think you're quite capable of making your own announcements.

    Score another point for the low-comprehension face-palmers.

  • It's no secret that many consoles are sold at a loss or at least very close to cost with little, if any, profit margin, and the margin is picked up by the games. There is a reason why console games cost more, and often way more, than their PC counterparts.

    And no, people, it ain't because they're better. If anything, they are worse.

    Consoles milk you for any step you want to take. From "live passes" so you can play online at all (I'm not even talking about "playing a certain game" that requires subscription,

    • by bn-7bc ( 909819 )
      The only diference i can see is a fixed platform, that is hw stayes constant during a gen, so a gsme rekeased 3 years after the cinsole dies not lag, try that with a AAA rekease on a3 yeat old pc. And allso firmfactot, condoles thenf to. E compact and dead easy to hook up, power, erhernet (or wifi but you know that us not optimal) one hdmi cable to tv/ampand controller. Done
      • And even that isn't the case anymore with updated versions of the consoles that cause newer games to lag and stutter on older versions. With the added bonus that you can't even turn down the resolution or graphics settings usually to adjust to your machine's capabilities.

        • by bn-7bc ( 909819 )
          Ok thank you for correcting me, I just assumed that console makers would not detract from one of the nain/only advantages oftheir olaform, but apperently I have no clue about this, oh well can’t win em all
  • by twocows ( 1216842 ) on Thursday December 05, 2019 @10:17AM (#59487458)
    I'm mildly interested in Microsoft's next console, but right now there's almost no info out about it. There's not really much to say other than it looks like there'll be two versions.

    I really don't like the direction Sony's been going in the past couple of years. It's too bad, I was a fan of the PS3, PSP, and Vita. Maybe this'll be Microsoft's chance to stage a comeback in the console industry.
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Lack of an optical drive is an obvious massive fail. You can no longer own games in any meaningful way, it's all rental. Second hand market dies with the next generation of consoles, meaning prices go way up for everyone because you lose the ability to recoup some of the cost or buy at a lower price.

      Imagine getting your account banned for some stupid reason and losing hundreds, maybe thousands of Euros of games. Mistakes happen all the time.

  • ...want none unless you got discs, hun!

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