Deleting Your Facebook Account Forfeits Oculus VR Games You Already Paid For (polygon.com) 111
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Polygon: In August, Facebook announced that consumers who use its Oculus virtual reality headsets would be required to log in with their Facebook accounts in order to play games. The transition went into effect earlier this month, and it comes with a catch. If at any point you decide to delete your Facebook account, you immediately forfeit your access to any games or VR experiences you purchased through the Oculus store. The gotcha was spotted last week, and began to surface first on Twitter, only to be confirmed Friday by the team at UploadVR.
According to Facebook, those who create a new Oculus account will be required to use their Facebook credentials. Those who previously used a separate username and password to access the Oculus store have two years before the transition will be forced upon them. Once users flip the switch, they're bound by a new end-user license agreement that formally entangles their VR purchases and their Facebook account. "Deleting your Facebook account will also delete your Oculus information," warns Facebook in the Deactivation and Deletion section of its iOS app. "This includes your app purchases and your achievements. You will no longer be able to return any apps and will lose any existing store credits."
According to Facebook, those who create a new Oculus account will be required to use their Facebook credentials. Those who previously used a separate username and password to access the Oculus store have two years before the transition will be forced upon them. Once users flip the switch, they're bound by a new end-user license agreement that formally entangles their VR purchases and their Facebook account. "Deleting your Facebook account will also delete your Oculus information," warns Facebook in the Deactivation and Deletion section of its iOS app. "This includes your app purchases and your achievements. You will no longer be able to return any apps and will lose any existing store credits."
I spy something that needs regulating. (Score:5, Funny)
Starts with F, and ends with K.
Oh, so many word choices!
Re:I spy something that needs regulating. (Score:5, Interesting)
I wonder if Facebook realizes that if they shut down any gamer's account for violating Facebook's terms of service, they're suddenly going to be on the hook for actual damages in a way that almost certainly can't be waived by contract.
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I wonder if Facebook realizes that if they shut down any gamer's account for violating Facebook's terms of service, they're suddenly going to be on the hook for actual damages in a way that almost certainly can't be waived by contract.
Assuming some random person's lawyer will be better than Facebook's stable of lawyers. Don't get me wrong, I think forcing Oculus users to have and maintain Facebook accounts (and linked to their real identities) is asinine and short-sighted -- and I don't really see the point, except to be able to troll for personal information -- but they're probably also ready to fight for that. In the longer run, someone will develop something else, probably just as good or better, w/o the required FB linkage.
Re:I spy something that needs regulating. (Score:5, Informative)
These companies don't survive on having smarter lawyers. They survive on having more lawyers. That is to say, they build armies for policing , not for war. If you or I go up against them, they'll crush us under court costs.
This isn't however a problem for government regulators.
Heres the thing. Most governments write their contract laws in a way that you *cant* forfeit your rights under law, because companies simply are not granted the power to write laws. For instance an NDA can never grant the company the right to stop you going to the police or testifying in a court. Because contracts can't force you into criminality. The US is a bit more messed up but even then your not going to find many judges that sympathise with a person refusing to testify due to an NDA.
I know for a fact that in Australia multiple large companies have had their shit kicked in by the ACCC for trying to tell people that their software isn't refundable if it stops behaving as advertised (Ie if your single player game suddenly stops working due to the game company retiring authentication servers, your entitled to a refund regardless of the EULA)
I'm pretty certain a *lot* of juristictions are going to say that unless Occulus specifically told you in non-fineprint PRIOR to the purchase that your purchasing a product that one day will only work with a facebook account, you would be entirely within your legal rights to recieve a full refund.
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Assuming some random person's lawyer will be better than Facebook's stable of lawyers.
That's a US based problem. Most of the rest of the world you don't need a lawyer to argue you case. Consumer protection commissioners / ombudsman would do that for you.
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" I don't really see the point, except to be able to troll for personal information"
Considering that Facebook's revenue model is built around "trolling for personal information", I think they would find it a compelling reason to do so.
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First, you're assuming that any of those contracts would actually hold up if somebody took them to court. I wouldn't assume that. Contracts are ultimately only proven to be legally valid when tested in a court of law. :-)
Second, even if you are correct that it is possible to waive your right to have your purchased property taken away without warning or recourse as part of a purchase agreement (which seems extremely dubious to me, as it reeks of right-of-first-sale issues, which, BTW, are probably going to
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have your purchased property
... snip... that's where your argument falls apart. The legal definition of "property" We aren't talking about a company re-possessing a physical widget you purchased (which is a very well-understood and settled matter in common law for centuries now). If facebook rolled up to your house and physically took your oculus headset because you deleted your account, then you would be in-and-out of any courtroom on this planet, victorious in a matter of minutes. We are instead talking about an absolutely revoc
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have your purchased property
... snip... that's where your argument falls apart. The legal definition of "property" We aren't talking about a company re-possessing a physical widget you purchased (which is a very well-understood and settled matter in common law for centuries now). If facebook rolled up to your house and physically took your oculus headset because you deleted your account, then you would be in-and-out of any courtroom on this planet, victorious in a matter of minutes.
Rendering it unusable is effectively doing the same thing, so I think this is some action that actually would be interesting to get through the legal loops. Maybe even supreme court.
A physical intrusion into your life or an electronic intrusion should be equal today.
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If the PS3/Linux situation is any indication, Oculus users will get a $5 coupon and facebook will be able to continue operating like normal. Kinda like Sony/Playstation did. There are a ton of examples of where what should have been an easy win for the consumer ended up being a boon for the company despite loosing a class action lawsuit. Just kinda how it works with our system it seems.
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have your purchased property
... snip... that's where your argument falls apart. The legal definition of "property" We aren't talking about a company re-possessing a physical widget you purchased (which is a very well-understood and settled matter in common law for centuries now). If facebook rolled up to your house and physically took your oculus headset because you deleted your account, then you would be in-and-out of any courtroom on this planet, victorious in a matter of minutes. We are instead talking about an absolutely revocable license to use a software product, governed by a lengthy terms of service, and a pile of local / contract / IP law. If you want to get into the unsettled-case-law weeds with a multi-billion-dollar corporation's lawyers over a few hundred dollars in software licenses, then have it, but it's far from a foregone conclusion that any existing case-law is remotely on your side (it actually almost certainly is not), much less that you will find any satisfaction whatsoever under the practicalities of the current legal system (facebook could "win" even if they were in the wrong).
The courts have generally held that if something looks like a sale, it is a sale, even if the contract terms claim that it is a license. But you're right that it is unsettled law, and there have been some dubious decisions recently in certain circuits (Capitol v. ReDigi) where judges misunderstood both the law and what was being done, and made the right decisions for the wrong reason (the ability to redownload from iTunes means they actually weren't transferring the user's rights, but rather distributing a
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of course it can be waived by contract. All they have to do is ensure the license for games stipulates you are renting/licensing the software and that you agree to the terms of use. gaming services (xbox/playstation/steam) already operate under this model where should you breach the terms of use they can cancel your account and you lose access to your games.
EULAs are nothing but a wish list until they are adjudicated, and many of them wouldn’t and the company knows this. Do you think the majority of
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of course it can be waived by contract.
And it’s not a contract. It’s a contract of adhesion. There is a distinction.
Without consideration, there is no contract anything. It’s just a bunch of words. Just hope that you can find a really bad judge, and cross your fingers that the plaintiff doesn’t appeal.
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First Sale doctrine is dead.
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Big Tech wants you to believe that, but these companies are constantly getting their teeth kicked in by international regulatators for refusing to honor that doctrine.
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"This software is licensed, not sold": it died a long time ago.
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Fork? Folk? Fink? Funk?
Yep, lots of word choices... although I don't see how any of them are relevant.
Re:I spy something that needs regulating. (Score:4, Funny)
Starts with F, and ends with K.
Fenugreek? Footwork? Fishhook?
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of course it's Frink!! Professor Frink... someone needs to rein that dude in with all his silly ideas....
Frink: Well, as you can see, when the burglar trips the alarm, the house raises from it's foundations and runs down the street, round the corner to safety...
(The house falls over and bursts into flames)
Frink: Well the... the real humans won't uh... won't burn quite so fast in there, mw-hai.
-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
Frink: Well, sure, the Frinkiac-7 looks impressive, don't touch it, but I predict that within 100 ye
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Starts with F, and ends with K.
Oh, so many word choices!
Oh, I've got this one!
Federal lawsuit for illegal tying, anticompetitive behavior, restraint of trade, causing agreements to breaK.
(That last one feels like too much of a stretch, but really, that's what the lawsuits will cover, although they'll use the word "breach" which doesn't end in a "K".)
Deactivating your Facebook account is no better (Score:5, Informative)
If you deactivate your Facebook account (so that friends don't accidentally invite you and send you messages that you will never bother to check) - you also lose access to your Oculus purchases. You have to reactivate your account when you want to use your Quest. It's the worst. The only solution (to prevent friends and family members who think they are reaching you via Facebook) is to delete all your friends and family members.
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Let's see if I get this right, from a position on the outside looking in with no more than transitory interest. Facebook furnishes you with a peripheral at a price below comparable products from other sources, in return for you letting them collect your personal data and advertise to you and your friends based on the results. Not a deal that I'd take, but at least there's a quid pro quo.
What am I missing?
Re:Deactivating your Facebook account is no better (Score:4, Informative)
You mean Facebook buys the company you bought the device from and changes the agreement for all the existing customers, forcing them to either abandon their investment or agree to disclosing their personal information for continued use.
Now they also want to take back what you paid for if you decide to stop sharing your information.
Prey they do alter the deal further.
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OK, if correct, that does put a different light on it.
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What am I missing?
This, I think:
You purchased the product months or years ago, under a completely different set of rules and actual contracts cannot be modified unilaterally or else they are not contracts since you cannot agree to terms of which you are unaware. Zappos lost on this basis, when they claimed the “contract” said they could unilaterally modify, and the court ruled that such a unilateral modification clause rendered the entire agreement illusory.
So many companies want you to think
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Also: I needed a Facebook account for some testing a while back, and as long as the name looks real, they do not care.
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...as long as the name looks real, they do not care
Until they need to be seen to be doing something about Russian sockpuppets again, and mass ban all the accounts that exceed some unknown threshold of fakeness, and you lose your VR games.
Or to put it more generally, "you can probably get away with breaking the rule" is not a sufficient rebuttal to "the rule sucks!"
how to kill a product (Score:5, Insightful)
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If you have a capable computer I can highly recommend basically any of the alternatives. The problem is they are tethered and don't have the low price. That's an area where Facebook has cornered the market.
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Jealous. That will be my next headset when the Rift S dies (or my Facebook account gets banned)
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Exactly this.
I've been enjoying Elite Dangerous a while and thought that maybe I'd like to go VR as it's supposed to be amazing.
Oculus was high on my list...until this bullshittery.
A whole load of 'nope' for this. Unless this is rescinded, then, Oculus isn't even in the purchase consideration.
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I bought a Quest 2 and plan to use it mostly with Steam VR (works perfectly fine with a high quality USB 3 cable). It
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My advice for anyone looking to get into VR is to buy the Quest 2 right now, unlock dev
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That is one of the reasons (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't think they can do that... (Score:3)
Laws against "finance charges" draining away the value of gift cards should apply here. Even if you delete yourself, they're responsible for trying to find you, and turning the money over to the state (who will then make the minimal effort of putting you on a list of people who have money waiting) if they can't.
Do it anyway (Score:5, Insightful)
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Your life will be better off without Facebook.
I seem to be getting along fine w/o one, or a Paypal account for that matter. /$0.02
Saw it coming (Score:4, Insightful)
This is exactly why I never purchased anything in the Oculus store. Steam mostly has all the same games, and more, and works across different VR headsets.
Why you would participate in vendor lock-in when there are better avenues available is beyond me.
I'm still stuck using a headset (Rift CV1) that will apparently stop working without a Facebook account at some point, but I will have upgraded by then so it's not a huge annoyance. The most important part is I can take my games with me on the way out.
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Re:Saw it coming (Score:4, Interesting)
There's a huge list of oculus exclusive games out there. A lot of the higher quality VR games are on that list too.
Old enough to remember VHS vs Beta Beta was higher quality and had some quality movies exclusively. VHS had porn guess who won?
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I also seem to remember porn choosing HD-DVD, but we see how that turned out.
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Re: Saw it coming (Score:2)
Same here, as soon as face shit got involved it was obvious there was only one way this could go. Took them long enough.
Though I expect it will be the same when we have retirement robots and body implants. Always some douchebag who wants to play peeping tom.
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Providing you don't get your Facebook account nuked you should still be able to play Oculus games using Revive.
The problem with vendor locking is extreme, but in some cases there actual reasons for participation. E.g. I don't give the Epic games store a dime for vendor lock-in, but on the flip side Oculus has done a lot for development of not only hardware but of funding for games via Oculus studios.
Boycott 3rd party exclusives, but first party exclusives in some case are actually positive for the industry,
And deleting your steam account does ... (Score:2, Interesting)
Exactly the SAME!
Jezz! Just make a FREE dummy facebook account, just for the purposes of your oculus, do not use it for anything else, and be done with it.
Won't work (Score:3, Informative)
Though it has been a while since I left facebook, when I did, they checked for real names, and would deactivate your account if they couldn't confirm you were using your real name. In my case, they expected me to send them a photo of a government issued ID - which, as I understand it, is actually illegal in some states. My pen name, under which I've been publishing for years, was not good enough.
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They don't need most of the stuff they ask for it, but the reality is they do actually ask for government issued ID.
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/13... [cnn.com]
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Only problem is that Facebook will flag and deactivate "fake" accounts. This impacted several games that used Facebook for the login mechanism a year ago. This included people what were using their real account, but somehow got their account flagged by updating their profile pic or doing something else out of the ordinary. They had to submit proof of their identify in order to get back into their account and the game.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/13... [cnn.com]
I never said Fake, I said dummy. Your exact same name, your exact same photo, date of birth, sex, etc with a real email (I can guess that most oculus users have more than one real email...), but with the most constrained possible settings.
Something like:
Say in facebook you are given name: rsk last name: brkr with a rsk_brkr yahoo account
then, you create a user called rsk brkr oculus with a rsk_brkr google account
again, same picture, same birthdate, same sex and all... all locked up so that no one contacts y
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You could set up an account with your name and that's it. You don't have to upload pics of yourself, "friend" people, or add any other info. It would be like setting up an account on most sites. While you would have a facebook account, it wouldn't have to be any more revealing than an account with Dominos.
What about Origin/EA account? (Score:2)
Yup, if I delete that I also lose my games.
I guess if you want to play modern games you need to keep a bunch of dummy accounts around. And accept that once the service goes belly up (or your account is hacked) that you'll loose hundreds of dollars in games.
I've been focusing more on games that I can download and play off-line. Even if they're not fancy AAA titles. On the plus side, I buy far fewer games too. Besides I must have a few hundred games over the past 30 years that I haven't finished. If I can fin
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This. As much as hate the requirement a Facebook account called "MY_NAME_Oculus" would work.
The DecaGear announcement is very interesting if it lives up to the marketing speak.
Our Oculus does see daily use without a Facebook account (2-3 charging's). It's a very nice distraction when stuck in the house all of the time.
morons (Score:3, Insightful)
Here's the point where it has become clear that you have to be a complete and utter idiot to buy one of those devices. There's no other excuse.
I'm afraid it'll still sell well. But a tiny sliver of hope in all that's good in the world remains that their total world-wide sales end up being 20 pieces, as it should be.
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Apple still sells products. They manage to create a better idiot with a bigger wallet.
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while some functionality and apps are bound to an iCloud account, your hardware doesn't become a brick nor does software you bought from other companies become useless if you cancel your iCloud account. So these things are not comparable.
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Yes, they are, because they are both "tech"-companies with too much power due to mass appeal to the lowest common denominator that they help nurture into existence.
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They also both happen to have the letter "a" in their name.
Yes, if you want to find something in common, you will. And I don't disagree that they've both become too powerful. But we weren't talking about this larger topic.
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you have to be a complete and utter idiot to buy one of those devices.
Oculus users may be idiots, or they may weigh the pros and cons differently than you. For people that buy a game, play it constantly for a few months at most, then never look back. What does it matter if the game is deleted when you remove your account, or the service is shutdown?
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Oculus users may be idiots, or they may weigh the pros and cons differently than you.
Same thing, in this case.
What does it matter if the game is deleted when you remove your account, or the service is shutdown?
Matters nothing, until the day you actually do that. Maybe old games don't matter, but there's likely one or two games you are playing at that very time. And maybe a few that you would want to play again after some time.
And don't forget that there are other ways to lose access to your account as well.
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> What does it matter if the game is deleted when you remove your account, or the service is shutdown?
It matters because the loss of something I paid for is being forced on me whether I care or not.
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For people that admit they wouldn't play some old game, they don't likely care about this issue. You are certainly free to have a different opinion than everyone else.
Even if access wasn't at risk in this era of app-store gaming, the idea that you have any rights to the game you purchased is slipping away. You can't sell the games you bought. There is no shop for used Steam/Origin/FB/etc games, even though there is a market for it. I'd buy a massive amount of games if that were an option.
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>> You are certainly free to have a different opinion than everyone else.
Oh sorry I didn't realise that you are the official spokesman for the population of the entire planet.
Re: morons (Score:1)
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>> You are certainly free to have a different opinion than everyone else.
Oh sorry I didn't realise that you are the official spokesman for the population of the entire planet.
That was a weird way to read it.
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For people that admit they wouldn't play some old game, they don't likely care about this issue.
You may think TODAY that you won't play that game again. Tomorrow someone discovers a cool easter egg, or a hidden level, or you change your mind, or you want to show it to your new girlfriend or one of a dozen other reasons - and then?
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Here's the point where it has become clear that you have to be a complete and utter idiot to buy one of those devices.
Yes anyone who buys something without the expectation of using it FOREVER is an idiot. Every subscription to a stream service, an idiot. Someone goes to a cinema, idiot. Paying to rent a tennis court rather than building your own, true idiot.
Or maybe some people will pay money for temporary enjoyment and be perfectly happy. Sure it would be nice not to be in this situation, but calling people idiots for the *potential* that they may run into an issue whereas if they don't they get enjoyment is just plain ru
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Every subscription to a stream service, an idiot.
Nope, not the same thing at all.
But if you buy a piece of HARDWARE that stops working when you cancel an account ON A COMPLETELY UNRELATED service - well yes, that's stupidity. There's no technical reason why these two things should be linked. Unlike, say, a mobile phone and a phone network provider, where you can discuss switching providers but it's clear that the two things are related to each other.
Someone goes to a cinema, idiot.
If the cinema only lets you in if you are a member of the local soccer club, then yes, idiot.
Paying to rent a tennis court rather than building your own, true idiot.
If they will t
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So in summary you admit that people will happily pay money for temporary joy and you retract your statement of calling people who spend money idiot. I can only assume that by you massively backpaddling while pointing out that none of the existing VR customers are in any way in the position in which you've criticised them.
Thanks for your insults to no-one.
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I think you didn't understand anything I wrote.
If you pay BUYING price for a product but effectively not even properly RENT it, because they can cut off your access to a working product at any time with no recourse, then you're an idiot. I may have a bridge to sell you, though you can only drive on it as long as you have an account on my website, but that's ok, right?
Anosognosia? (Score:1)
To be so out of touch with the world around you makes me question their target audience and those who still use facebook.
Just Quit (Score:2)
so just quit using you Facebook account for anything but Facebook stuff. if another company you never heard of before did this, you'd sign up with the other company and they'd track how much you use their stuff. but if Facebook watches other stuff you do, now that's a whole other issue. me? i don't have a Facebook account for anything.
And if they never transition? (Score:2)
Is Facebook going to refund the games for those who never transition?
I suspect that the "two years" is an empty threat, since it appears to involve a change of the terms of a prior purchase.
Antitrust? (Score:2)
Isn't this an anti trust violation? Using one business to promote another? I can see in Europe at least the EU protesting this in full force. And California for sure.
Seems like a totally stupid move.They better come up with a way to transfer game licenses to people to recoup their lose value.
Reminder... (Score:1)
HP Reverb G2 is far better than any HMD Facebook has for sale.
No it won't (Score:2)
And never will.
I'll never own any of this.
Oh, look, they still don't get it (Score:2)
I have Oculus because I didn't feel like HTC was that much better for the premium price HTC wanted. I have zero games purchased through Oculus, it's all on Steam. That said, the first time I heard of Facebook requiring you to merge your Oculus account, it smelled like a ripe fart. Now this is just one of the smelly turds FB is shitting out. I'm looking for a VR upgrade and it isn't going to be Oculus.
There's a rumored... (Score:3)
...name change in the works to the Fuculus VR.
Should have known (Score:3)
Once again.... (Score:3)
STANDARD WALLED GARDEN (prison) REPLY FORM
Rev. 1
I see you are complaining about
[] Apple [] M$ [] other:__Facebook/Oculus___
You
[X] bought the device
[] invested in development tools and infastructure
[X] made a large investement in (company's) products for your business/org/school/family
Knowingly or not
[X] That the above selected company is lord of the realm
[X] you should know by now corporations don't play fair
[] don't be surprised that selected company expects
developers to crawl on their hands and knees to the throne, and it can still declare "off with your head!" with or without reason
[] "Trusted" means they trust themselves, but not you
[] of course they will try to thwart "jailbreaks" because it's a threat to their absolute rule
[X] You decided to give up freedom for:
[] imagined security [] to look hip [X] because you just had to get that device specific app
[] all of the above
Furthermore
[X] You need to read the fine print
[X] You should check out web forums to see if the device is locked down
[X] It's a good idea to check the company's ethical standing before buying anything from them
[X] It's a good idea to find out how low they regard their customers or 3rd party app developers
[] Impulse buys are rarely a good idea
[] all of the above
Finally
[X] You made your choice, now live with it
[X] Now you know the perils of walled prisons
[] You voted with your wallet, and the company acted accordingly
[] The masses are asses, need I explain this?
[] All of the above
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You filled out the form incorrectly. People who bought these devices without ever a requirement to link anything with a Facebook account weren't stupidly buying into the Facebook walled garden, they were bait and switched. It's a new fucking low for corporations, and no the users did *NOT* make this choice.
Not only that, expect Facebook to get screwed by this. The linking account mandate cross companies is illegal in several countries, and the retrospective linking of data to another country is in breach of
Why not create a throwaway account (Score:2)
There IS only ONE REASON... (Score:3)
...that Facebook REQUIRE you to connect your Oculus with a Facebook account, and that is Data Acquisition.
Anyone knows by now, and by the numerous times Facebook has been dragged into court, is that Facebook is collecting massive data on its users, not only for advertisement, but for sale of actual personal data - which is a FAR bigger business than you can squeeze out of targeted ads.
Oculus Quest 2 is a data acquisitions wettest dream as it comes with a microphone and FOUR multi-directional cameras, Facebook will monitor these cameras, and fully record your entire room, and you - and your family members, and your activities (albeit they will disguise this as information needed for app development, and better movement detection, which of course is partially true).
Facebook knows data about you is PURE GOLD. Why are you so valuable at any age? Because the more they know about you, your friends, your habits - the more valuable the data becomes.
Imagine you're an INSURANCE company, you'd want to EARN as much money as possible, right? Now in a totally fair and just world - we buy insurances because it's somewhat random, most people pay for it in case of something bad happening later in life, and the insurance is supposed to be paid by everyone involved, sort of as a joined effort just in case the unfortunate happens to one or few of us, it's a FAIR gamble.
Facebook makes this gamble UNFAIR, but HUGELY profitable for anyone with an insurance company who just want to have 100% healthy, wholesome, law abiding, and not to mention Profitable companies - obedient consumers that have an absolute minimum risk of getting into trouble. This of course, defeats the entire purpose with any form of insurance. It goes under the title of "Fraud Prevention", but it really goes a LOT further than that.
A.i can pretty much over time, when you're profiled well enough - know YOU and your PERSONALITY better than your own mother, This means the RISKS of insuring you is MUCH less costlier, that doesn't mean the insurance will be less costly for YOU as the consumer, but HUGE profits for the company owners as they don't have to have any high risk, or any risk at all - customers.
Your movements will tell everything about you, how "clumsy" you are, how prone you are to take chances. The games will be able to profile your willingness to take risks, what you care about, care less about (interior even). The cameras will be able to determine what your point of interest is, it can quickly and efficiently be used to profile your sexual preferences even (which some may say is good, but what if they're wrong? Or what if you never intended to act on your fantasies, which the direction of your eyes can reveal as well)...
Now that was Insurance, now imagine the world we're shaping with this. What is the PERFECT obedient employee? Now let's go even further, and say we are heading to a future with less freedom of speech, where the powers that be want's a certain type of voter, and behavior - and wants to encourage a NEW NORM in their population? Profiling you - to KNOW you BETTER than your entire FAMILY - is pure GOLD as data, for any dictatorship, or even company - that sees the highest profits in certain types of conformity among their employees.
For this reason alone - it should be illegal to sell a product that can mine THIS much data from you, whether you consent to this or not, this is a crystal clear example of how the population should be PROTECTED against this kind of privacy invasion, because the general public doesn't know any better - it's OUR JOB (who knows) to protect them from themselves in this case, think of it like protecting your closest one - from someone bad you KNOW will hurt them, because YOU have the experience, they don't
Boycott Facebook and it's entire lineup of products for your own freedom.
Libra (Score:1)
In Order for a Valid Contract to be Formed (Score:2)
There must be consideration. And it can’t be vague like “you get to use the product”, because people could already use the product by paying for it. New terms, not in the customer’s interests, with zero consideration, would turn US contract law on its head were it upheld.
My guess is that it would not stand up if challenged, but the US is pretty customer-hostile, so who knows what legal tricks they might try. This is probably why they require arbitration. Arbitration doesn’t
Trivial solution (Score:2)
If you are forced, just create a dedicated facebook account just to replace the Oculus one. Turn off all sharing of information you can, never interact using that account, tie it to a dedicated email address. Problem solved. Or is Facebook now force merging accounts if they think you have more than one? (I wouldn't know, never had FB account, nor plan on having one).
uhm.. (Score:2)
Well if I delete my Steam account I loose all my Steam games.
If I delete my Sony PSN account I loose all my PSN games.
If I delete my Microsoft Xbox store account I loose all my MS games.
If I delete my Apple ID, I loose all my AppStore apps/games
If I delete my Google account, I loose all my PlayStore apps/games
If I delete my GOG account, I loose all my games on GOG (if I haven't downloaded them).
etc.
As Facebook account is THE account (now) with what you bought your apps/games on the Oculus store with, it's l
Re: uhm.. (Score:2)
In other words, you are pwned no matter where you run. Yes, 20 years ago, we warned about the dangers of Trusted Comp...ah never mind.
The masses will continue to let themselves get reamed as long as they get a happy shiny out of it.
Idealism is dead. Long live reality. :\
Decisions (Score:1)
Oculus was a consideration, but not anymore. I have no interested in creating a Facebook account. Least of all one that can't delete without losing something that I have paid for.
Open source VR hardware would be pretty sweet!
Not to worry..... (Score:2)
Because it's nearly impossible to delete a Facebook account.
You are a Facebook user forever whether you want it or not!