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17-Year-Old Beats Magnus Carlsen in World Rapid Chess Championship (theguardian.com) 52

Posted by EditorDavid from the check-mate dept.
Each player gets 15 minutes for all moves (plus a 10-second-per-move increment) at the World Rapid Chess Championship.

But players only get three minutes for all moves (plus a 2-second-per-move increment) in the World Blitz Chess Championship.

So what happened? World chess champion Magnus Carlsen entered both events, and... A little-known 17-year-old from Uzbekistan made a clean sweep of Magnus Carlsen and the global chess elite on Tuesday, incidentally setting a world age record. Nodirbek Abdusattorov won the World Rapid championship in Warsaw, claiming en route the scalps of Magnus Carlsen and the No 1's last two challengers, Fabiano Caruana and Ian Nepomniachtchi...

After 21 rounds of three-minute games on Wednesday and Thursday, France's Maxime Vachier-Lagrave defeated Poland's Jan-Krzysztof Duda in a tie-break to win the World Blitz title. The 18-year-old world No 2, Alireza Firouzja, was third but Carlsen was well adrift in 12th place. He said: "Some days you just don't have it. I was nowhere near close to the level I needed to be today."

At 17 years three months Abdusattorov becomes the youngest ever world champion in open competition... After 13 rounds he was in a quadruple tie on 9.5 points with Carlsen, Caruana and Nepomniachtchi, but the regulations excluded Carlsen and Caruana from the play-off due to their inferior tie-breaks. An angry Carlsen denounced the rules as "idiotic. Either all players on the same amount of points join the play-off or no one does..."

[In the final play-off game] Abdusattorov easily drew with Black, then won the second game despite twice missing mate in two near the end.
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  • Back in the day when your survival task was to outwit a tiger, thinking exceptionally well within a 3 minute window under extreme stress was important.

    Now, the most important cognitive ability is to gradually, say over a span of several years, wisely and holistically understand the processes of climate change and human mass psychology, in such a way as to contribute meaningfully to a solution to arguably our most pressing problem. Our most pressing problem is a long-term problem (time-scale, decades and cen
    • Re: parent post: some people are confusing a controversial and contrarian take on the topic with being off-topic. That shows narrow mindedness, inability to think associatively, and group-think tribal fandom (sheeple) kind of attitude. Slashdot comments should be about wide ranging debate around a topic. Not about aspergers-focussed hero worship.

  • Clean sweep (Score:3)

    by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Saturday January 01, 2022 @10:09PM (#62134985) Journal

    It wasn't a clean sweep, he drew a lot of games and lost to a relatively minor grandmaster. The tournament format (grand swiss with 131 players and 13 rounds) makes it very hard for the best player to emerge on top.

    • It wasn't a clean sweep, he drew a lot of games and lost to a relatively minor grandmaster. The tournament format (grand swiss with 131 players and 13 rounds) makes it very hard for the best player to emerge on top.

      Yeah, but kudos to the Slashdot editor who really thought a light bullshittering of clickbait smeared on that article title, was necessary.

      You know, to make sure all 57 of us saw it.

    • why does this format make it hard for the best player to emerge on top?. It seems dramatically better than something like single elimination for selecting the players who perform best across the tournament. Also any kind of chess competition results in tons of drawn games, especially when played by very proficient players, so I don't understand what your objection is.

      • I would also not recommend single elimination format for a chess tournament (or any other skill competition).

    • Re:Clean sweep (Score:4, Informative)

      by Aighearach ( 97333 ) on Sunday January 02, 2022 @03:33AM (#62135359)

      It was a 4-way tie for 1st, include Magnus Carlsen, but the ridiculous tiebreak rules only let 2 players into a playoff. The way the tiebreaks work, that means the lowest-rated 2.

      • It was a 4-way tie for 1st,

        That was in the blitz portion, but in the rapid portion, Magnus didn't do so well. (Which isn't to say he did poorly. Again, it's a weakness of the format, rather than the strength of the winner).

      • It was a 4-way tie for 1st, include Magnus Carlsen, but the ridiculous tiebreak rules only let 2 players into a playoff. The way the tiebreaks work, that means the lowest-rated 2.

        My theory for the collapse of Nepomniachtchi in the world championship against Carlsen is that Nepomniachtchi simply burnt out after the epicly long game 6.

        That game was barely a month ago (with several games still to go) not to mention all the subsequent media and emotions. I wonder if Carlsen wasn't suffering from a bit of burnout himself, especially considering the rapid chess championships would require their own set of training for peak performance.

        • That's silly, Carlsen was playing internet chess no-prize tournaments a few days later.

          Chess doesn't wear you out beyond what a couple days of rest can fix. Your brain doesn't get worn down from too much thinking. Your memory doesn't wear out from too much remembering.

          • That's silly, Carlsen was playing internet chess no-prize tournaments a few days later.

            Comparing online no-prize tournaments to a world championship is silly.

            Chess doesn't wear you out beyond what a couple days of rest can fix. Your brain doesn't get worn down from too much thinking. Your memory doesn't wear out from too much remembering.

            If Chess doesn't wear you out at all then why does Carlsen waste so much time with physical training [balancethegrind.co]?

            As a fun fact I've done a few marathons (purely a recreational runner). The physical recovery of a hard race takes about a week, but for my hardest races the mental recovery took a lot longer (a month for the hardest). The relationship between physical and mental strain is a lot more entwined than you realize.

            The intense focus and stress

            • If Chess doesn't wear you out at all then why does Carlsen waste so much time with physical training [balancethegrind.co]?

              I can't tell if you're a stupid person arguing, or actually asking questions because you want to know the answer.

              The answer is that, like I said,

              Chess doesn't wear you out beyond what a couple days of rest can fix.

              And the implication is that chess does wear you out in the way that does require a small amount of rest. And the better physical shape you're in, the less rest you need. Simple. Not mysterious, not a valid source of argument.

              As a fun fact I've done a few marathons (purely a recreational runner)

              Who cares? I play chess and I'm 2200 rated.

              • If Chess doesn't wear you out at all then why does Carlsen waste so much time with physical training [balancethegrind.co]?

                I can't tell if you're a stupid person arguing, or actually asking questions because you want to know the answer.

                The answer is that, like I said,

                I appreciate you're a talented chess player, but surely you must understand that both preparing for and playing a world championship takes a significant amount of focus and entails a lot of stress. Are you really claiming it only takes a couple of days to fully recover?

                Did you attend University as well? After finals if classes started again after 2 days instead of 2+ weeks do you really think students would be ready to focus?

                Mental burnout is a pretty well documented phenomena, I don't see any evidence that

                • If Chess doesn't wear you out at all then why does Carlsen waste so much time with physical training [balancethegrind.co]?

                  I can't tell if you're a stupid person arguing, or actually asking questions because you want to know the answer.

                  The answer is that, like I said,

                  I appreciate you're a talented chess player, but surely you must understand that both preparing for and playing a world championship takes a significant amount of focus and entails a lot of stress.

                  You seem pretty ignorant. You don't appreciate that chess players understand this. That's why you're arguing, instead of listening. That's why you're trying to 'splain it to me.

                  You don't comprehend the specific nature of the mental exhaustion involved. It is not a type of "mental burnout." Students at a University are not a reasonable proxy for professional chess players preparing with a team. It is not the same type of thing at all. Perhaps you didn't actually know any other students when you were in colle

                  • You seem pretty ignorant. You don't appreciate that chess players understand this. That's why you're arguing, instead of listening. That's why you're trying to 'splain it to me.

                    You don't comprehend the specific nature of the mental exhaustion involved. It is not a type of "mental burnout."

                    I appreciate that you're a highly experienced chess player but you have a highly atypical view of mental exhaustion.

                    Students at a University are not a reasonable proxy for professional chess players preparing with a team. It is not the same type of thing at all. Perhaps you didn't actually know any other students when you were in college, but most of them didn't prepare well, tried to "crunch" at the last minute, and then party all weekend after finals. If they were preparing with a team, in a professional setting without partying, for months before the final, and they were only doing review/details of subjects they already have mastered, then yes they would only need a few days to rest. It is because they're learning new things that they don't entirely understand that their fresh little brains need extra time to process it. Plus, they're going to party!

                    So you think student's are a poor comparison. What about professional athletes? Because most of those characteristics you listed with chess also apply to athletics. Yes mental burnout is a thing for athlete [nata.org]. And if you listen to any sports broadcast they constantly talk about a team being "ready to play" and coaches trying to manage the emotion. In other words trying to keep the players sharp

  • I wonder if we will ever see Speed Go?

    • sure, the easiest way is to just wait X years and then run alphago against itself on whatever hardware exists then.

      we're currently at ~200 seconds per move to beat a 9dan, and that's only going to get closer to zero.

    • Comes with a natural theme song: "Go, go, go, Speed Racer..." ;-)

  • I'm not a chess player, but I have to wonder to what extent limiting games to 3 minutes actually tests one's chess ability (to analyze, predict, strategize) versus mainly running through memorized openings and waiting for a blunder to occur.

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