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Kamalot writes
"JoyStiq is reporting that the new Nintendo DS pre-orders are outselling the new slimmed-down version of the PS2 in Japan as well as the Xbox. Outselling the Xbox is easy though. They sold less than 200 in Japan last month."
Just to clarify (Score:5, Informative)
As to the X-Box, it only sold 173 units during that period. Seems to me that the Japanese hate Microsoft even more than Slashdot.
Re:Just to clarify (Score:5, Funny)
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Games are increasingly being released for all three consoles (PS2, GC, Xbox). Those that are, Xbox usually runs them the smoothest. But don't take my word for it, go read the reviews at gamespot.com about any cross-platform game.
If you are looking for an awesome console game, check out X-Men:Legends. It is very cool! A great feature is that your friends can join/leave the game at any time.
Re:Just to clarify (Score:5, Insightful)
Don't take my word for it...go take someone else's word for it!
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Re:Just to clarify (Score:2)
"Human Rights" is an egalitarian concept, and is usuall anti-nationalist. You can't have a nation unless you deny that only certain people have a right to live there, which necessarily excludes others.
The only promised land I know of is Israel, and then only if you are one of God's Chosen People. I suppose believing in a god is a requirement there as well. Israel would be correctly labeled nationalist.
A country that can be correctly labeled "nationali
Re:Just to clarify (Score:4, Insightful)
The sort of identification between the usa and the "forces of good" is rather nationalistic in principle, establishing the nation as equal to a moral absolute.
I guess it's hard to see when you are bathed in it, but the profusion of symbols (colors, flags) also play a big role in the infusion of the "nation" everywhere. At least it is obvious in the media.
Denial of the promised land mythology is rather interesting when juxtaposed with your last sentence. I think it's not difficult to imagine the concept of promised land without even invoking god.
Is the united states or americans more important in the eyes of the politicians? And those who answer (as it's a valid answer) that the united states and americans are one and the same, are uttering a very nationalistic idea. Denying that the nation can ever diverge or be separated from the people that constitute it.
Re:Just to clarify (Score:2, Insightful)
That's like saying that Utada Hikaru is more more famous than Janet Jackson in Japan because of nationalism.
Perhaps plum riceballs are more popular than cheese curls because of nationalism.
Maybe small, fuel-efficient cars are also more popular in Japan than SUVs because of nationalism.
Or maybe, all of the things mentioned above CATER TO JAPANESE TASTES better than their Western counterparts. Nah, this is American Slashdot (tm), we are all supposed to like the same things, and everybody else
Re:Just to clarify (Score:3, Insightful)
Umm... so I don't know if you've been paying attention to America lately... but here at least, nationalism has been getting more and more ubiquitous for the last 20 years or so and in the last four has reached a fever pitch.
What I would call rare in America at this point is patriotism, but that's something altogether different and I don't think that's what you're talking about.
Then again I don't think nationalism has too much to do wi
OT:Just to clarify (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually, I only hear that from Bush supporters who feel that any criticism of the US government (present or historical) or US foreign policy is the same as bashing the whole country.
It's not. You don't have to be proud of everything the US has done to be a patriot. You just have to keep an eagle eye out to make sure that what you can make better you do make better. I've got a lot of problems with how native Americans were treated in the days of westward expansion. I've got a lot of problems with how the CIA has been willing to kill to support autocratic dictactors over democratically elected leaders as long as the dictator is friendly to US interests. But I still love this country.
In fact, that love is the reason why I'm so upset about the actions of the government that claims to represent me. If I didn't give a damn about the US, I probably wouldn't give a damn about what Bush does to the rest of the world.
The right wing really lives in a strange universe of their own construction. To rationalize the 50% of the country that completely disagrees with them, they've invented beliefs for the opposition that don't even make sense in their world view. Don't let me interrupt your strawman creation, but the opposition doesn't hate America, they (and I) just don't think it's being all it can be. But we're hopeful for the future.
Regards,
Ross
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Re:Just to clarify (Score:5, Informative)
1. GBASP 35,280
2. PS2 22,470
3. Nintendo DS
4. PS2 Redesign
5. GC 4,368
6. GBA 633
7. Xbox 173
Note: The actual unit numbers for PStwo and NDS aren't listed so NDS is between 4K and 22K which is a fairly large rainge.
What PS2? (Score:2)
Re:What PS2? (Score:2, Interesting)
Rather annoying, I bought an Xbox last year, now a fancy better looking one appears to be becomming standard.
Re:Just to clarify (Score:3, Funny)
What's really sad is that 168 of those units are now running Linux.
Wow, that's... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Wow, that's... (Score:2)
News? (Score:4, Insightful)
To be fair, (Score:2)
Really?? (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Really?? (Score:2)
Not too surprising... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Not too surprising... (Score:2)
It is a hardware sale, so it compares to other hardware sales. The direct competition (PSP), hasn't even got a price, less than 2 months before the planned launch.
Re:Not too surprising... (Score:3, Interesting)
Um... how about people like me, who don't own a PS2 but are considering buying one, now that they're smaller, cheaper and have a large proven back catalogue of great games?
Re:Not too surprising... (Score:2)
What if I argued that the DS is just an enhanced version of the GB Advance? It does play GBA software...
Re:Not too surprising... (Score:5, Insightful)
But it is not a Gameboy. Nintendo has repeatedly stated that the NDS is NOT the successor to the Gameboy Advance.
Yet, even if it were it remains consistant with Nintendo's old practice of maintaining backwards compatibility. I don't even know how many Gameboy games I've had over the years, but even my original Metroid 2 works perfectly fine on my Gameboy Advance SP. Not that I care to replay it, but if I wanted to I could.
I wonder if Nintendo intends to migrate away from the Gameboy Platform or if future Gameboys will remain compatible with the entire prior line and include compatibility with the DS?
It's times like this that I wonder if Nintendo really makes long term goals for themselves or if they just kind of try shit and get lucky most of the time.
Re:Not too surprising... (Score:2, Interesting)
There are rumours a new GameBoy is in the works. I can't recall the link (nintendojo.com I think) but apprently DS is a new line of portable gaming and the Gameboy will continue to Advance (no pun intended) in parallel.
Re:Not too surprising... (Score:3, Interesting)
They were really late getting N64 out, and it turned out to be only a moderate success. And let's not forget Virtual Boy...
Had it not been for Pokemon the company might have been in serious trouble.
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I can see (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Trying to decide... (Score:2)
People that already had a GBA had no problem shelling out money for the GBA SP. Just how much of the GBA SP sales are you attributing to the frontlight?
"I mean, both sales figures are interesting, I guess, but the phrase "apples to oranges" comes to mind."
In other news, the GBA continues to bitch-slap the PS2 in sales...
How well will it hold on? (Score:2, Insightful)
Gotta catch 'em all.
That is, until Nintendo falls victim to the same thing that killed SEGA Systems - Rapid Release of Inferior Duplicate Consoles.
Re:How well will it hold on? (Score:5, Interesting)
You could easily argue that the various incarnations of the monochrome Gameboy, and even the Gameboy Color, were weak upgrades. But the Gameboy Advance was a huge step and the GBA SP fixed a serious problem with the original. As above, the DS is another big change.
Short version: Your fingers are typing but your brain might not be keeping up.
Re:How well will it hold on? (Score:2)
you haven't seen it, i haven't seen it, and most importantly we haven't played with it for couple of days to know if it really works for us or not.
virtual boy had neat ideas.. but didn't really make it a hit.
Re:How well will it hold on? (Score:5, Insightful)
Well, the gameboy is the best selling video game console of all time. Nintendo does a pretty good job of delivering cool hardware with first-party titles that are fun for people of all ages. I don't really think pre-ordering one now would be much of a risk.
Re:How well will it hold on? (Score:2, Insightful)
Unproven you say?
How many people out there use a mobile phone with some games that are networkable?
How many people own or have used a PDA?
How many people have played a console game and wished they could take it with them out on the road?
I don't think there is anything unproven about what nintendo are trying to sell. It is built upon ideas that are already a reality in todays world and as wel
wow... (Score:5, Interesting)
nintendo is still a very, very strong brand in japan, more so than in the states. a lot of people (like myself) grew up in japan with famicom being the first video game system they played...
one difference there, though (Score:2)
OTOH, the corvette is faster than the nsx and half the price. Basically the only reason to get an nsx is if you want a car nobody else in your state has. (I probably don't even want to know how much it costs to fix something in an nsx should it break down.)
Re:wow... (Score:2)
except both GB DS and Xbox are both targeting mainstream consumers. they aren't niche market items, like sport car, especially the very powerful and the very expensive ones like Vets and NSX. while they may be profittable, chevy and honda do not intend those sports cars to be their flagship cars not is their business built on that. otoh, GB and Xbox are the main items for nintendo and microsoft, respectively. their
One thing you are forgetting. (Score:5, Interesting)
Where do they store them all? (Score:2)
Re:One thing you are forgetting. (Score:5, Insightful)
1. It won't work with existing mod chips.
2. It won't work with the hard drive for Final Fantasy.
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Not as big a deal as one may think (Score:5, Informative)
1) Lunatics who must buy every Sony Console.
2) People replacing old / broken PS2 consoles.
3) People purchasing their first PS2.
The PS2 is on the downswing of its life cycle. Its still a popular console, but by now, pretty much everyone who wants one already has one. It would be more impressive if it was outselling all versions of the PS2 combined, since the new PS2 does not have the HD support.
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or... (Score:2)
I just picked up one of these (very cute) little boxes because I wanted a second PS2. Why? Because my first one has a HDD in it (for FFXI), and is hooked up to my computer. However, I also play DDR regularly, in front of the TV, and take it to parties to play. I don't want to take the one with the HDD, and constantly setting up/taking down the console is a pain. (Not to mention the PS2v1 was quite a luggable.) A second one, especially with the new form factor, s
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Another slim percentage (Score:2)
Generally though I agree with your point, the console is pretty mature and sales would be dropping off naturally. It would be interesting to see the sypothetical case of the DS, PS3, and
The US / West Doesn't Get (Score:5, Insightful)
Most of them would fall flat on their faces, and the same is true the other way around, at least in some part. My point is, companies like Nintendo and Sony are Japanese and they have a much better idea of what game content their market wants to see, therefore they are more succesful in producing tailored games for that market, and also find it alot easier to build up a fanbase for their hardware.
Japan as an entity seems to prefer titles like Super Magic Fun Travel Wish Yo-Yo 6 over something with lots of explosions and guns, maybe this is what companies like Microsoft are not realising?
Anyway, as I said, I may be way off, I havn't been a real gamer for years, and don't pay that much attention to it.
not too surprising... (Score:5, Insightful)
I love the fact that the GBA, which already has an update to it, is selling at about 3 times the rate of the XBOX. I wonder where the IQue would fit on this list...
I think a just as interesting, if not more interesting story is the fact that a Gamecube + Mario Kart bundle will be coming out this holiday season for only $99.99. [gamespot.com] That's the same price just the console is selling for now.
Even Relevant? (Score:5, Interesting)
When the XBox first came out... (Score:5, Interesting)
Does anyone who's kept up with gaming news know if they've retreated from this statement? (Conceding that the Box is a decent threat to Sony stateside).
XBOX hahaha (Score:3, Funny)
- sony laptops
- toshiba laptops
- lots of other brands of computers
- iPods
- Aibos
- vibrators
- etc. feel free to add more...
how about BSD? (Score:2)
Conflicting Data (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Conflicting Data (Score:2, Informative)
Here's the correct link:
http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/viewthread.ph p ?tid=82 72&page=11
And for those who don't like to follow the links:
October 11 - 17, 2004
Game Boy Advance SP - 35,280
PlayStation 2 - 22,470
GameCube - 4,368
Game Boy Advance - 633
Xbox - 173
PSone - 60
Wonder Swan Crystal - 38
To quote the Joystiq article:
"Notably, it beat the Playstation 2 redes
Other items the DS outsold (Score:5, Funny)
Honestly...
ALSO IN BREAKING NEWS... (Score:2)
blakespot
Is Microsoft used to selling 200 units? (Score:3, Interesting)
This is important because it is said whenever discussing on-line music or video for that matter that if Microsoft wants it, it can have it. (Referring of course to the question on many people's mind as to how long Apple can retain a 70% market share in legal music download.)
But if Sony, clearly better capitalized than Netscape, can defend it's turf against the agressor that fell the industry leading Navigator browser from it's #1 market position by simply giving Internet Explorer away for free as the default for the Windows OS, can Apple, or anyone else, defend their industry from MS?
Yeah it's off topic, but CmdrTaco brought it up!
I'm still looking for the killer app (Score:3, Interesting)
Way back in the day, FFVII sold me the PS1, Mario64 sold the N64, and gameboy advance sp was great because it still played my favorite game boy games. But I still don't know what to expect on the DS, hm. I'll probably get one anyway :P
Not too surprising. (Score:4, Funny)
Not too surprising when you consider that the insightful posts are a new design and... errr... yeah, something like that.
Re:Interesting. (Score:3, Interesting)
GBA screen lighting problems (Score:3, Informative)
How did people get burnt with the purchase of a GBA?
"Burnt" in the sense of "Argh ... the light ... it burns". People who bought the original GBA got burnt by the lights that some people needed to see the screen. First-generation titles such as Castlevania used the low end of the luminance scale that was visible on the initial developer units but black on the production units. GBA palette values for each component range from 0 to 31; production units under normal lighting show black for values 0 through
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How, exactly, did people get "burned"? Or are you just trolling?
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Re:XBox less than 200 units? Is that really accura (Score:2, Insightful)
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1) It was late to the scene, and the PS2 was *very* well established by that time;
2) It's gaming library isn't really what the Japanese like. XBox games are more like PC games and less like console games. It's heavy on sports titles, and light on console style RPGs and platformers.
*) So do people in most other countries, which Americans would realize if they actually traveled abroad. Even in Paris, people couldn't have been nicer as I tried to communicate in my heavily yankee-accented broken French
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I'd add a third comment: The Xbox is by far the largest of the current generation of consoles. Japanese homes, by comparison, are relatively small - space is at a priority.
Re:XBox less than 200 units? Is that really accura (Score:2, Interesting)
So do people in most other countries, which Americans would realize if they actually traveled abroad. Even in Paris, people couldn't have been nicer as I tried to communicate in my heavily yankee-accented broken French
I knew it! I knew that they still existed. Americans saying positive things about French people! You, sir, make my evening!
(no, I'm not French myself)
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It usually American foreign policy that the world hates. I'm guessing it's because Americans make decisions that impact the world, and we don't accept input from other countries into our political process. A lot of Mexicans, Cubans, Australians, and whatever write US leaders. And they all recieve the same form lette
writing to leaders (Score:2)
Re:XBox less than 200 units? Is that really accura (Score:2)
PS2 isn't going to have the same problem because they have a good track record there.
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So you're actually saying statistically significant numbers of people in (at least) France actually like America?
And I'm actually serious here, not trolling.
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maybe you're counting "travel abroad" as in germans visiting france or something?
'travel abroad' for the USA is on a completely different scale altogether. perhaps convenience has something to do with it? the percentage of australian citizens that hold a passport is a distinct minority as well...
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I dispute the "good gaming library" bit. Besides Halo (and Halo 2), there is just not that much good for the system that cannot already be found for a different system. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in putting its library at a distant third place in the race. And considering that this is Japan we're talking about, where Sony, Nintendo, Sega and Squareenix *live*... no, it's not at all surprising they're doing poorly.
The hardware is good, but not that good really, I'm not aware of the XBox being a tremendous improvement over the other consoles available this wave, certainly not enough to make a difference at this point.
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It does lack Japanese RPGs, but that's about it. I
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1) Since when have the majority of console gamers cared about differences within one hardware generation?
2) As I read your statement, it drips with arrogance: your/the American idea of "good" is different from someone else's/the Japanese idea of "good."
3) They can be just as nationalist as we can. Don't act surprised.
Re:XBox less than 200 units? Is that really accura (Score:2, Interesting)
Superior to what? The Xbox library is made up mostly of games that are ported from another platform (PS2 or Windows).
In Japan, apartmetn space comes at a premium, and most are unwilling to give up that space for a huge-ass system like the Xbox, without some great exclusive games. Ninja Gaiden and Halo just aren't good enough.
I'm sure cultural bigotry has a little to do with it, but so does Microsoft's cavalier attitude toward
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Perhaps they might have bought more if the US car companies had bothered to put the steering wheel on the correct (right) side of the car.
Gaming Library (Score:2)
But I would have to buy another shelf big enough to put it on which would be inconvenient...
Re:XBox less than 200 units? Is that really accura (Score:2, Insightful)
Have you ever played a Japanese game? Are you even vaguely familiar with their culture? The XBox's library is so American it's ridiculous. You may like the games, but I assure you, your taste is going to be radically different than the average Japanese gamer.
Saying the XBox has a "good gaming library" is like saying someone who only has summer blockbusters in their DVD co
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Re:MMM (Score:2, Interesting)
Mmmm, organized crime.
Re:MMM (Score:3, Interesting)
Yeah, I've got a couple friends with broken/glitchy PS2s as well. My PS1 started stuttering badly on audio/video streams after about 3 months of light use (and this was a model bought in '99). A friend of mine went through 4 (four) PS1s over 5 years.
I've also got a $200 Sony VCR that's maybe 3 years old, and has been used maybe 3 dozen times, that has gotten very finicky about playing movies.
I've sworn off
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Re:Clarification? (Score:2)