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When I see gov't CCTV cameras, I think:

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When I see gov't CCTV cameras, I think:

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  • London (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 06, 2012 @04:27PM (#42207791)

    London.

  • How about (Score:5, Insightful)

    by virgnarus (1949790) on Thursday December 06, 2012 @04:29PM (#42207825)

    Don't care.

    • Re:How about (Score:5, Insightful)

      by OutLawSuit (1107987) on Thursday December 06, 2012 @05:02PM (#42208363)

      or...

      "Is anyone actually watching this?"

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by jonadab (583620)
      Indeed.

      To my knowledge I've never seen such things, or been where they are located. (Sometimes I joke that Galion is a risky place to live, because we're only a few miles down the road from North Robinson, which is one of the four top targets for terrorists who want to strike a blow to the US. They'd hit New York, New York; Los Angeles, California; Washington D.C.; and North Robinson, Ohio. This is exactly the kind of joke you think it is.)

      However, if I *did* see surveillance cameras around here, I'd jus
      • Re:How about (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Joe U (443617) on Thursday December 06, 2012 @08:37PM (#42210903) Homepage Journal

        However, if I *did* see surveillance cameras around here, I'd just continue to go about my business as usual, because I'd be pretty sure nothing I was planning on doing is the sort of thing they're looking for, anyway

        Thursday, December 6th, 2:45 pm, suspect failed to come to a complete stop before turning right. $125 ticket issued.

        Thursday, December 6th, 2:50 pm, same suspect walked into crosswalk before light changed to green, $75 ticket issued.

        Thursday, December 6th, 2:52pm, same suspect placed what appears to be household trash in corner trash receptacle, $55 ticket issued.

        Hey, these things eventually have to pay for themselves.

        • by Stormin (86907) * on Thursday December 06, 2012 @09:57PM (#42211585)

          You have been fined 25 credits for violation of the verbal morality statute.
          You have been fined 25 credits for violation of the verbal morality statute.
          You have been fined 25 credits for violation of the verbal morality statute.

          Your repeated violations of the verbal morality statute have caused us to dispatch the police to deliver corrective suggestion, please remain at your current location.

          • You have been fined 25 credits for violation of the verbal morality statute. You have been fined 25 credits for violation of the verbal morality statute. You have been fined 25 credits for violation of the verbal morality statute.

            Your repeated violations of the verbal morality statute have caused us to dispatch the police to deliver corrective suggestion, please remain at your current location.

            "But I don't know how to use the seashells!"

        • Re:How about (Score:5, Insightful)

          by war4peace (1628283) on Friday December 07, 2012 @08:26AM (#42214157)

          Comparing that with the sheer amount of minor traffic and littering violations that occur in almost every larger city in the world, I don't think those measures are bad. At all.
          Here in my country the fines for the above infractions are mild and the law is never applied. There's plenty of occasions where I am the only guy waiting at the pedestrian red light. I celebrate whenever I see someone who walks their dog and actually picks up the feces. I have seen policemen littering the sidewalks with empty cigarette packs.

          Fine all those motherfuckers. Also fine me if I'm in the wrong, because I want to become more civilized than I am and I know I have bad habits too.

        • by Krneki (1192201)

          Thursday, December 6th, 2:54pm red bike doing 3x time the speed of light, Picture taken, Software: "no plate on the front side and wearing a helmet " ticked failed to find delivery address.

      • by Cimexus (1355033)

        Right - it's a matter of degree. If they were sprouting up absolutely everywhere, clearly for the sole purpose of tracking, I'd have an issue with it. But where I live, there are a only a few government-owned CCTV installations around. Only in downtown cores or on streets with nightclubs with a particular history of drunk idiots or crime etc. They aren't installed as a matter of course - just in 'risky' areas. And they're always signposted ("this area is covered by CCTV" signs). They do prove useful in arre

        • What does "a tool in specific places for specific purposes" have to do with anything? That test is positive for both warm fuzzy pillows and medieval iron maidens.

          Cameras will never be absolutely everywhere, since that is physically impossible, nor will they be "clearly for the sole purpose of tracking" since government will always claim they are for legitimate law enforcement. Which tracking may soon become.

          " If it starts growing towards a big network of surveillance-for-surveillance's sake, then yeah, I

    • I feel a similar, but more specific: "look at meeee, I'm a fuzzy blob! You can't tell if I'm a human or a goat at that image quality level so I don't care." Hurray for 640x480 equivilant analog signals for budget reasons, lol.
    • by mellon (7048)

      How about GORGON STARE, or maybe CASE NIGHTMARE GREEN?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 06, 2012 @04:30PM (#42207859)

    5/6 answers are basically the same. What's next, a poll about which swear word we yell when we get pulled over for speeding? A poll about what the deal is with airline food?

  • by xaosflux (917784) on Thursday December 06, 2012 @04:31PM (#42207871) Homepage

    Really, if they don't see you move you are invisible right?

  • by OzPeter (195038) on Thursday December 06, 2012 @04:33PM (#42207913)

    I try and estimate what their coverage is. and how/if you could get away with doing "stuff".

    Although when I see tourists taking pics/video and I know I am going to be in the picture I do have a penchant for sticking out my tongue and making faces.

  • by mastershake82 (948396) on Thursday December 06, 2012 @04:41PM (#42208003)
    We don't have a large CCTV presence here.

    I wish Slashdot would remember that it has a global community of readers and be more considerate!!!
    • by wvmarle (1070040)

      Actually I think the country with the best CCTV [english.cntv.cn] coverage is China. Just switch on the TV, and you get easily 10 channels, including the English-language CCTV-9.

  • by flibbajobber (949499) on Thursday December 06, 2012 @04:46PM (#42208085)

    How about grumble and moan about lack of privacy & trust, and the absence of any true security... but yet roll over and do nothing about it? Except maybe gripe about it on the Internet somewhere?

    • by greenbird (859670)

      How about grumble and moan about lack of privacy & trust, and the absence of any true security... but yet roll over and do nothing about it?

      just what are we supposed to do? Here in the US it's not like you can actually vote against the oppressive surveillance state. Your average citizen doesn't have anywhere near enough to buy our politicians back from the corporate interests. One of the things I hoped when Obama was elected the first time was he would roll back some of the more obtrusive illegal internal spying programs initiated by Bush after 9/11 and actually make the government more transparent as he promised. Instead he's been far worse th

      • by Immerman (2627577)

        Which is why we have to start voting third-party wherever possible. Are a lot of them potentially dangerous fanatics that would destroy our way of life if given the chance? Sure. Will they ever get the chance? Almost certainly not. Are fanatics harder to buy than "normal" politicians? Almost certainly. Moreover even if the Libertarians (for example) managed to somehow get a majority in congress, the party itself is so fragmented that they would be unlikely to be able to agree on much beyond dismantling

  • Attacking the cameras seems really stupid and draws more attention to yourself as they find out who committed that vandalism or obstruction.

    My line of thought would be along the lines of big sunglasses and a fake beard.

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      My line of thought would be along the lines of big sunglasses and a fake beard.

      The next person will have an interesting time wondering why big sunglasses and a fake beard are on a security camera.

    • My line of thought would be along the lines of big sunglasses and a fake beard.

      I have a beard and wear sunglasses outside ... I never get away with anything.

  • Another video camera ready to feed me crazy videos of people being beat up, shot, run over, or luck out and survive. All courtesy of LiveLeak and Youtube.
    That and russian dash cams.

  • ..is destruction of private or public property. I might think "how sad" (excessive cameras in low crime public areas) or "what a waste of money" (speeding cameras) or "good this place needed a camera, too many people getting mugged there" or "if this were my store, I'd have cameras too."
  • by gestalt_n_pepper (991155) on Thursday December 06, 2012 @05:37PM (#42208837)

    All in the name of your rights of course. Moon a camera today!

  • This is disturbing (Score:4, Informative)

    by Tastecicles (1153671) on Thursday December 06, 2012 @06:25PM (#42209539)

    CCTV in schools [bigbrotherwatch.org.uk] are in bathrooms and changing rooms. The GOVERNMENT controls these cameras and tries to assure us that the footage from these cameras is secure. Bullshit.

    I've seen websites which show photographs and map locations of CCTV cameras covering public spaces and coverage areas. Problem is I think they've been taken down citing national security concerns, and I can't remember URLs. I would like to see such sites up again.'Cos you know what? CCTV cameras have NEVER been the single deciding factor in solving crime. Why? Because they're too low resolution. At 20m, you'd be hard pushed to separate eyes on a face at 320x240 with 90-degree field coverage (and that's pretty narrow for a CCTV eye). They do NOT prevent crime, as the Home Office's own figures show, that since the most CCTV'd city in the world - London - has never had a year in its history where the crime rate has dropped.

    • CCTV Resolution (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      At 20m, you'd be hard pushed to separate eyes on a face at 320x240 with 90-degree field coverage

      At that distance and angle of view, even 1920X1080 (1080p HD) won't be able to separate the eyes on a face. Put a 15X optical zoom on either of those cameras and you'll be able to count their teeth, but that camera will have to be manually operated.

      16 or more megapixel cameras are available that can do the job really well. But, 16MP network cameras run in the $7-10,000 range.

      The solution? Lots of low res cameras so that there is one close to the action.

    • by radish (98371)

      If the cameras are as useless as you claim, why are they being installed? I thought it was so big brother could monitor us all and invade our privacy? So how does that work if they can't tell us apart?

      And according to this [wikipedia.org] various categories of crime in London (e.g. murder, robbery) have certainly gone down in recent history (I don't see stats for all crime, and don't think they'd be relevant to a discussion of street based cameras). Whether that's because of or despite the presence of cameras I have no ide

      • If the cameras are as useless as you claim, why are they being installed?

        The TSA is useless and it manages to stick around...

      • by wvmarle (1070040)

        CCTV cameras are mostly targeting petty crimes - at least, that's the official line. And in a way it makes sense, for a shop a CCTV camera can be useful to keep an eye on those hidden corners, and to detect shoplifting. In that way it may prevent would-be shoplifters.

        On the streets, CCTV cameras may help police reacting faster to say street fights, that is, as long as someone is actually watching those video feeds in real time. Which usually doesn't happen, maybe with an exception of known trouble hotspots

    • CCTV in schools [bigbrotherwatch.org.uk] are in bathrooms and changing rooms. The GOVERNMENT controls these cameras and tries to assure us that the footage from these cameras is secure. Bullshit.

      I've seen websites which show photographs and map locations of CCTV cameras covering public spaces and coverage areas. Problem is I think they've been taken down citing national security concerns, and I can't remember URLs. I would like to see such sites up again.'Cos you know what? CCTV cameras have NEVER been the single deciding factor in solving crime. Why? Because they're too low resolution. At 20m, you'd be hard pushed to separate eyes on a face at 320x240 with 90-degree field coverage (and that's pretty narrow for a CCTV eye). They do NOT prevent crime, as the Home Office's own figures show, that since the most CCTV'd city in the world - London - has never had a year in its history where the crime rate has dropped.

      What, you mean investigators can't magically increase the pixel density on a digital image by shouting "ENHANCE!" at the computer screen over and over???

      CURSE YOU, JERRY BRUCKHEIMER!!!!

  • by reve_etrange (2377702) on Thursday December 06, 2012 @06:28PM (#42209587)

    Once I was sitting on a train in Oakland (MacArthur station) and a homeless couple walked / rolled (one was disabled) onto the train.

    First thing, dude gets up, spits onto a folded up piece of paper and then sticks it to the train's CCTV camera. Then they pull out a fifth and start taking pulls.

  • It seems that the choices are to think:

    1) I will damage this.
    and
    2) This makes me feel better.

    What I think when I see CCTV of any sort is first, to check if something valuable is around and then second, when I realize it is not a bank or something, I get a creepy feeling that someone wants too much control and thinks that monitoring is a good way to help them achieve those ends.

    For myself, I can easily destroy any monitoring equipment if it becomes necessary to do so, so why do they infringe on my desire t

  • CCTVs could be used right but in most cases the police just puts them up in dangerous areas so they can have an excuse for not having a cop on the corner. People get mugged in front of them every day. They do provide some evidence now and then though, provided that a case gets to court.

  • When I see a young child littering I think:
    1. They should be publicly tortured to death
    2. They should get off with no punishment at all

    Does anyone else see the problem here?

    • by wvmarle (1070040)

      I voted the last option, reading it as being pure sarcasm. Can't say that for your example.

  • I grew up in the 80's crime wave
    Back then Uncle Sam gave cities money for 50,000 more cops in the street
    Cameras are cheaper than having cops walk the street

    • by wvmarle (1070040)

      One camera may be cheaper than one cop. Twenty cameras may be cheaper than one cop. But do they also have the same amount of 1) crime prevention and 2) increase of sense of security? That should be the real calculation. But somehow I have the feeling that it has never been done like that.

      Oh and assuming you're talking about the US: one thing that also may help there is for cops to start walking/cycling like they do in other cities while on patrol. Not just driving around what I've been told many times is th

  • by undeadbill (2490070) on Thursday December 06, 2012 @07:44PM (#42210393)

    That is my usual reaction. Many cameras actually have a tiny web server on them, and are hooked up on IP/PoE networks. There are several in my city that are accessible because they were never locked down correctly :)

  • "Wow... someone around here must be very important. Or rich."

  • I know its totally the wrong feeling to have, but when I see a CCTV camera I look around and feel safe.

    The caveat on this is that I still see cameras in some places and think "OMG, They can see me naked!" But if I'm wandering around in (most) public places I find my brain thinking "Oh wow.. well, if I get roughened up by some nice gentlemen at least the police will be able to find the gents who did this to me and give them a stern talking to and a discouragment for that sort of future activity" [1]

    I then

  • Second Amendment and Sic Semper Tyrannis

  • are for keeping the King of England and his goons off your land, not for destroying taxpayer-funded property.
  • I think "Scorpion Stare" and make sure I'm not in the line of sight of two of them.

  • I can help but wave or smile at CCTV cameras. It's a reflex action. I actually don't care.
    What eve happened to the 'other explained later' option.

  • Every time I see cameras I typically think, "Oh great, here I am, a socially awkward computer geek. My strange walking pattern is totally going to make me look like a shop lifter or some other type of criminal."
  • In a recent online poll, nearly 20% of computer freedom privacy experts agreed that government cctv cameras provide safety and security.

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