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Xbox Price Drops For Australia And Europe 565

wallitron writes: "Due to slow sales in Australia, Microsoft is looking to drop the price of it's XBox to $399 (around $200US). With a fast CPU, wizzy graphics card, ethernet, DVD and TV out, it would be a handy thing in the living room if it ran a real OS. At that price it seems good value. Check out the article on the price drop." There are price drops in Europe, too.
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Xbox Price Drops For Australia And Europe

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  • by os2fan ( 254461 ) on Friday April 19, 2002 @01:33AM (#3371328) Homepage
    It seems that they keep a low profile. "Microsoft" is mentioned only in small letters.

    I think their adverts are not that subtle either: one of them runs along the "nice way to die" line. Maybe a 240 volts escaping through a programming hole?

  • by LordArathres ( 244483 ) on Friday April 19, 2002 @01:34AM (#3371335) Homepage
    I wonder if the components are integrated inside, or can you start ripping things out. At $200 It might be worth it to start selling the stuff inside for money. Anyone out there know?

    Arathres

    • Re:Cheap Hardware (Score:3, Interesting)

      by cyr ( 571397 )
      Everything is integrated on the motherboard (CPU, GPU, RAM...).

      The harddrive and DVD drive are more or less standard components with slightly altered firmware.

  • EU regs? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by olman ( 127310 ) on Friday April 19, 2002 @01:38AM (#3371356)
    I thought I read that you can't dump a product on market in EU. That is, they can't sell it for less than the manufacturing costs. Apparently Xbox had at least an extra 100 on the price. For the new cost (299) it'd be almost worth it just for a DVD player.
    • Re:EU regs? (Score:2, Informative)

      by Ryu2 ( 89645 )
      You need to buy a DVD accessory (about US $30) to have DVD playback functions. It does not work straight out of the box, like Playstation 2.
    • Re:EU regs? (Score:4, Informative)

      by BlackGriffen ( 521856 ) on Friday April 19, 2002 @02:18AM (#3371518)
      M$ was already selling at a hefty loss (for some reason $100-$200 dollars comes to mind, but I'm not certain). This is standard practice in the console industry, though: sell the console as a loss-leader to make up profits in software royalties. Sony does it. Nintendo does it (though to a lesser extent). They were already basically dumping the XBoxes, and now they're trying to avalanche them.

      Hopefully they get sued, and are forced to sell at cost >:).

      BlackGriffen
      • Re:EU regs? (Score:4, Informative)

        by perky ( 106880 ) on Friday April 19, 2002 @07:15AM (#3372437)
        The anti-dumping regulations are there to protect nascent european industry from foreighn competitors segregating markets and dumping excess capacity. Consequently your comment makes no sense at all. Europe doesn't have a console industry to protect, and the cost of Xboxes is now comparable with other geographical regions, so it is not possible to argue that the practise is dumping.

    • Re:True (Score:4, Interesting)

      by CyberDruid ( 201684 ) on Friday April 19, 2002 @05:22AM (#3372041) Homepage
      I am quite certain that you are not allowed to sell for less than manufacturing costs in the EU.

      A few weeks ago, I read an article about MS wanting to cut the prices on xbox, but that EU threatened to take them to court if they did. Now, just a few weeks later, they do it anyway and not a single word about that law is heard. I smell some heavy lobbying.
      • That's strange: every mobile phone shop in the country must be breaking the law by selling phones for less than their manufacturing cost. You are talking absolute nonsense. Why would the european union sue MS for selling Xboxes cheaply? What european industry would be protected by such a move?

    • Re:EU regs? (Score:3, Interesting)

      "That is, they can't sell it for less than the manufacturing costs"

      What, you mean like mobile telephones?
      • Re:EU regs? (Score:4, Insightful)

        by jpatokal ( 96361 ) on Friday April 19, 2002 @09:59AM (#3373181) Homepage
        "That is, they can't sell it for less than the manufacturing costs"

        What, you mean like mobile telephones?

        In a number of EU countries (like Finland, home of Nokia [nokia.com]), it is illegal to subsidize phones with forced long-term subscriptions. This is not quite the same thing, but the net effect is the same: phones are sold at full price. Oddly enough, this actually increases competition, as hopping between operators is much easier.

        Cheers,
        -j.

    • Re:EU regs? (Score:2, Interesting)

      by prefect42 ( 141309 )
      As far as I am aware, the anti-dumping legislation in the US is far more significant than elsewhere. I believe in the US though, anti-dumping laws only affected foreign companies. Yet another interesting US law that seeks to protect US business through block out clauses. Seems like the free market americans can't cope with their foreign counterparts...

      jh
    • I thought I read that you can't dump a product on market in EU

      Wrong, there is nothing wrong mith low prices (even if below manufacturing costs. There is sometihng wrond and illegal with the technique called dumping. That is sell at very low prices to drive the competion out, and then to raise prices. The raising of prices is illegal and dumping then thus illegal but just low prices is okay, as long as you keep them.
    • Re:EU regs? (Score:2, Informative)

      by AndrewRUK ( 543993 )
      The relevent bit of RU law, regulation 384/96 [eu.int] states that "an anti-dumping duty may be applied to any dumped product whose release for free circulation in the Community causes injury." (article 1(1))

      And injury is defined as meaning "material injury to the Community industry, threat of material injury to the Community industry or material retardation of the establishment of such an industry." (article 3(1))

      And dumping is "A product is to be considered as being dumped if its export price to the Community is less than a comparable price for the like product, in the ordinary course of trade, as established for the exporting country." (article 1(2))

      So, one way or another, the price drop is probably OK. Now, 299 is not much below the US price of $299 (according to this [yahoo.com] it's $266.17 as I write this) so whether dumping is happening is questionable. And also, given that selling below cost price is standard practice in the console industry, I would be doubtful as to whether the price drop causes injury, as defined above. And of course, there would need to be some EU console manufacturers (or at least, a fledgling industry) to hurt before anything could be done.
  • by Matt2000 ( 29624 ) on Friday April 19, 2002 @01:39AM (#3371364) Homepage
    Actually, J Allard the head of MS' digital entertainment division (in charge of xBox) stated in a wired interview prior to the unit's release that he wanted to move prices down fairly rapidly, "to get the retail price to $100 as quickly as possible." [wired.com]

    This may be a little faster than they had hoped to lower the price, but MS knows it's gonna take heavy losses to get the market penetration required to start making serious money on the software.
  • At least.. (Score:3, Informative)

    by dr_labrat ( 15478 ) <spooner@g m a i l .com> on Friday April 19, 2002 @01:42AM (#3371378) Homepage
    The users that were overkeen and bought one before the price cut (I think there were eight of them) wil be compensated:

    "Those who have already bought the console at the higher price will, luckily, be compensated. Anyone who already has an Xbox, or buys one before April 25th, will receive two free games and a free controller"
  • by I Want GNU! ( 556631 ) on Friday April 19, 2002 @01:44AM (#3371387) Homepage
    How to kill Microsoft

    Step 1) Earn $400 billion
    Step 2) Buy 1 billion X-boxes and use them as computers, without buying any games
    Step 3) Watch as Microsoft begins to collapse upon itself since it loses money on each unit!
    Step 4) Tell all your buddies that Microsoft is dying and that they should switch to the superior Linux OS
    Step 5) Play Tux Racer
    Step 6) Repeat step 5

    You have completed the six step program. Microsoft is now dead! Have a nice day!
    • unfortunately, intel and nvidia's production capacity would ruin your plan :( Laws of supply and demand would net a very healthy profit for MSFT.

      it was noble tho...
    • by Anonymous Coward
      What is it with Tux Racer??

      I attempted to play Tux Racer and I got bored pretty quickly. I got through maybe one full hour of gameplay and didn't even make the cut to get an icon in my gnome panel.

      Now, I have SSX Tricky for PS2 and thought it would in no way inspire me but I became addicted because of the great soundtrack, the hidden courses, the various players with different physics depending on board, etc... If Linux advocates *insist* on claiming that Tux Racer is on par with games that could be obtained via the consoles then they're smoking some of that Hawaiian shit that my friends have all supposedly sampled with their girlfriends in Canada.

      The best way to advocate Linux is to say, "This is what it's capable of..." but if you put Tux Racer into the hands of a 19 year old telling them, "don't look at the EVIL Microsoft Borg-ware, look at this great game!" then you, my friend, are soon to be extint.

      ~~~~~~~

      You know what scares the hell out of me? You know what keeps me up at night? The fact that 30 years from now, these kids will be running things. These kids will be modding my posts on slashdot.
      - Michael Sims
      • Depending on where in Canada, that Hawaiian shit would be schwag. Then again though, on average, the common stuff from BC (beasters) is usually the lowest form of dank around. Time for me to shut up and goto bed.
    • Bah, if I can get Step 1 completed, I won't bother killing Microsoft, I'll buy myself a small third-world country. :P
    • by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 19, 2002 @02:24AM (#3371538)
      You can break down Step 1 into three steps.

      1) Give software away for free
      2) ????
      3) Profit!!!
    • Step 5) Play Tux Racer
      Step 6) Repeat step 5

      You have completed the six step program. Microsoft is now dead! Have a nice day!


      Since we have '6 GOTO 5' how can we complete this six step program?
      Oh, wait I forgot, Linux is so fast it can complete an infinite loop in 5 seconds :)
    • Lots of people think this frequently. But you have to realize that this actually helps Microsoft. 1) A negligable amount of people will do this 2) You add to the marketshare count, needed to get titles and 3) You give them greater economies of scale -- thats the biggie. Its actually beneficial to them :).
    • You are really sad.

      Yeah I know this is a geek-oriented site but - for the love of Jehovah or whoever - quit bitching about MS. They came up with a great product at a cheap price that is now even cheaper.

      If any multi-millionaire was as grim as you are and actually bought all these X-Boxen they'd be idiots. I'd rather they gave the money to charity rather than spend it on a beef with BillG.

      And who mentioned Tux-Racer? Listen, I love the idea of Linux as much as the next geek but how *average* is that game? And thats the best they can come up with?

      Grow up guys!(you are all guys, aren't you??)

      - seany.
    • Reminds me of the Steve Martin bit "How to be a millionaire and pay no taxes":

      1) First, become a millionaire
      2) ...
  • This is $100 cheaper than the US version. What's to stop Americans from getting a PAL --> NTSC converter and ordering one from Australia? Are there any other differences? Is the DVD playback just region [AUS]? If so, maybe there's a mod to get around it?
  • by dylan95 ( 307651 ) on Friday April 19, 2002 @01:51AM (#3371421) Homepage
    > it would be a handy thing in the living room if it ran a real OS.

    Why would it matter what OS it runs? If it used Linux instead, it wouldn't suddenly have more functionality. It wouldn't suddenly have the ability to open your curtains or turn on your coffee machine. It already does what it's supposed to do: play games.

    No console game player should ever care what OS their game system uses.

    (I wonder if the Indrema never came to light because they expected gamers to manually mount the DVD drive before playing each game.)
    • What the reviewer meant is that at those prices the Xbox could be used as a really cheap computer (or maybe even a webserver). for those uses OS matters.
  • They must be desperate to make sales, their already selling these things at a huge loss. It seems like
    microsoft is beating a dead horse with this one; nobody's really buying them, and their's shit all for games
    compared to the competition, even fewer worth paying for. I for one am glad to see them failing, the more
    markets left open to fair competition the better. But, like most other markets microsoft treads on,
    they'll probably keep trying til they get it right, and if history has taught me anything.. they will,
    eventually; IE was a piece of crap until version 3, windows 95 was terrible, etc. Afterall,
    they have billions and billions of dollars to throw at the problem.
    I really hope the justice department can get their shit together and do something soon.
  • I've been planning on buying a GameCube for quite a while now, infact I pre-ordered (May 17th launch in Australia, I don't want one enough to spend $AU1000 importing, blah blah etc) several months ago.

    As far as I recall, the launch price for the GameCube in Australia is going to be $399. Whenever I've told people that price, then compared to the $799 Xbox, people would be shocked. Then they'd realise they could get a GameCube and a couple of games for the same price as a gameless Xbox. I know first-hand of a couple of people that have held back and waited for a GameCube because of this.

    All well, there'll be two interesting things to observe from this: Nintendo's reaction, and early Xbox adopters' reactions.

    I wonder if Nintendo will drop their GCN launch price now? To be honest, I don't think they have much of a choice if they want to remain competitive. As for the Xbox owners: They get what they deserve! Err, seriously though, I bought a Nintendo 64 on March 7th 1997 (a week after the launch in Australia) for $399. 3 months later, the price dropped to $299. Nintendo had a very quiet promotion of "free game for early adopters". It's where my copy of Mario Kart 64 is from.

    I wonder if Microsoft will do the same now?
  • by smallstepforman ( 121366 ) on Friday April 19, 2002 @02:05AM (#3371476)
    If I were Michael Dell or Ted Waitte (Gateway), I would be on 'red alert', so to speak. Microsoft are literally giving hardware away and establishing themselves with a box in every living room. An XBox upgrade kit in the future (with a USB keyboard and mouse, maybe throw in WindowsXBox and a lite version of XBox Office) and suddenly you have proprietry hardware running a proprietry OS. Future versions of desktop Windows will have terrible driver support or hardware crippling commands for Dells and Gateway, making them seem slower, while uncrippled Xbox drivers will run at normal speed (which will seem very fast for normal users).

    Microsoft are positioning themselves to be a hardware company, muscling Dell and Gateway out the PC business. The next M$ monopoly will be on PC hardware. A one stop solution, so to speak - Microsoft will supply the OS, hardware and software.
    • Reminds me of another fruity company that I support... what's their name again?
    • OK now, cut that out. April 1st was a few weeks ago. I get the feeling, however, that you aren't joking.

      These products serve vastly different markets. Putting a keyboard and mouse on an XBox does NOT make it nearly as versatile as a PC. Set top boxes have tried that several times and failed. Why?

      Where's my XBox? In the living room.

      Where's my PC? In my office.

      When I'm surfing the web or writing an email on my XBox, nobody else can watch TV.

      I also don't have as much privacy, and I don't have anywhere convenient to put the mouse or keyboard.

      Get it?
      • These products serve vastly different markets. Putting a keyboard and mouse on an XBox does NOT make it nearly as versatile as a PC. Set top boxes have tied that several times and failed. Why?


        Where's my XBox? In the living room.

        Where's my PC? In my office.

        When I'm surfing the web or writing an email on my XBox, nobody else can watch TV.

        I bet these distinctions don't matter quite as much to the masses that use their PC as an overpowered AOL terminal. Microsoft is in an *excellent* position to, er, position, XBox as the central household "computer appliance" (and they've even hinted as much).

        XBox IS nearly as versatile as a PC because it is made out of commodity PC parts! Games are just bait to get it in the living room. Then they integrate internet connectivity, and TiVO capabilities, and BLAM, one-stop computer appliance monopoly. It also is a great way to wedge in their new "software-as-service" concept. Once you have your XUniversalBox, whaddya gonna do if you need upgraded software? You think every schmoe out there is gonna crack open their XBox just to upgrade software ("wait, we can't do this, it's an 'appliance', it'll void our warranty")? No, they are going to shell out a fee, and download the newer software from MS.

        Of course, get enough of these in the hands of geeks and this could backfire horribly for MS 8)
    • so what your saying is that MS wants to be like Apple, only crappy.

  • This price drop has brought up something that always made me curious as an aussie gamer. The hypothetical "what if" is about to be answered..

    The problem for the average aussie gamer, is that titles/consoles that are sold here are basically sold in USD prices, converted to local currency.. i.e. That $40US game will be released here at ~$80AUD. However, the average aussie wage is the same (or less) in AUD than an equivalent job in USD..

    So the aussie gamer is effectively paying "twice" as much for games with his hard earnt cash..

    i.e. Two kids working at mcdonalds say, are bringing home their $8/hr local currency for 20 hour week.

    The US kid, $160 USD buys them 4 games. The Aussie kid, $160 AUD buys them 2 games.

    Of course the best solution for the aussie gamer would be if they sold the title for an equivalent local amount.. But if that was the case, then wouldnt everyone overseas just turn around and import/mail order stuff from these countries where the local dollar was weak. You'll already see people pondering about doing this exact thing in the comments.

    Will this establish a driver for more "affordable" gaming prices in Australia, or will it just provoke a massive mail order business by US folks looking to score their gaming at cheap rates..

    I'll be looking on with interest
  • Microsoft will start shipping xbox's with every copy of Windoze sold and claim that it is an integral part of the operating system and that it is to the users benefit to have xbox functionality be a part of the OS. A bunch of states will whine about it, but when push comes to shove, they'll "force" M$ to donate 1 million xbox's to schools ensuring a bountiful supply of users in need of software (which actually does show a nice profit).

    Also, M$ will announce that the next version of xbox will use their new operating system called Unix# (that's Unix Sharp, not Unix Pound, or Unix Waffle, or Unix Tic-Tac-Toe, or Unix Number). Unix# will be just like Unix, but much better for end users and developers as it will make their lives much easier. Differences include forcing all shared libraries to have the .dll extension, changing the path seperator to the backslash, and creating home, professional, server, advanced server, way super duper advanced server, and ludicrous speed server versions of the OS (though through some packaging magic, all versions of the OS will ship on a single cd).

    In the meantime, Bill Gates, who is personally funding xbox from his personal "play" account, is forced, due to weak sales, to postpone the purchase of the country of Belize until the next fiscal quarter.

  • The price drops in the UK and Europe are the most important... there's like 300 million people here and like what, 5 in Australia?

    This announcement comes only a few days after news reports came out saying it was obvious that Microsoft wasn't going to make their sales targets. I don't know WHAT the hell they were thinking at first putting the price up so high in Europe, the economies here are much, much weaker than in the U.S. Almost no one can afford 450 for freakin' game machine.

    There was no real reason for the prices to be that high, especially since they're making the XBox's in Hungary, not a place known for its high labor costs, hey?

    I read that Microsoft wasn't probably going to lower prices in the U.S. until Sony does, but it seems that Microsoft is looking at the numbers and not the competition (at least in the rest of the world) so maybe they'll get a clue.

    Has anyone hacked this bad boy with Linux yet? Then to me it would be worth the price of letting a Microsoft product into my home.

    -Russ

    • by danny ( 2658 ) on Friday April 19, 2002 @03:06AM (#3371660) Homepage
      20 million in Australia, so yes, it's less significant than Europe (even though Australians probably buy more of this kind of thing per capita).

      Danny.

  • by 90XDoubleSide ( 522791 ) <ninetyxdoubleside@hailmail . n et> on Friday April 19, 2002 @02:23AM (#3371537)
    If they're willing to go that low in Australia, I wonder what they have in store for Japan, where they have yet to institute a preice drop and where the XBox is being outsold by the PS1!

    Week 4/8-4/14, Japan Hardware Sales

    * PS2: 55,000 units (total this year: 1,323,000)
    * GBA: 31,000 units (total this year: 969,000)
    * GameCube: 10,000 units (total this year: 510,000)
    * PS1: 3,000 units (total this year: 74,000)
    * WonderSwan: 2,000 units (total this year: 11,330)
    * Xbox: 1,800 units (total this year: 169,000)
    * Dreamcast: 1,500 units (total this year: 12,000)

    (from IGN [ign.com])

  • M.A.M.E. port (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Superkind ( 261908 )
    Anyway, M.A.M.E. is in the progress of being ported [otakunozoku.com].
  • They have sufficient cash in the bank to practically give them away. Reports indicated that they expected to lose, what, a billion or something in the first year?

    All it's gonna take is a couple really GOOD games, not Halo-good, but 'Legend Of Zelda' good. If they can hit that sweet spot, things will change.

    The hardware is certainly there, as if the software/OS. What I think is holding them back is that developing for a PC takes a slightly different mindset. I doubt some companies already heavily invested in Playstation gaming want to move over to XBox. Given the length of release cycles in PC games, I doubt the big PC game makers (Blizzard, etc) can even reasonably expect to get the game out. Besides, most PC companies don't have the mindset, either; they seem to sell lately on the idea of multiplayer, and expansions. The console market seems small, I would suspect.

    Dunno. What's it take to develop on the XBox? Can I just pick up a copy of Visual Studio .NET and check "build XBOX exe"?
  • Spam faxes (Score:5, Interesting)

    by child_of_mercy ( 168861 ) <johnboy AT the-riotact DOT com> on Friday April 19, 2002 @03:02AM (#3371647) Homepage
    I've had two spam faxes in the office today (we never get spam faxes here, so thats significant in itself)

    The gist of them is that if I sign up for an MSCE course I'll get a free X-Box

    It shows every sign of a truly desperate company trying to shift stock, and certainly makes it look like the X-Box is a tacky trinket.
  • Microsoft couldn't do anything else.. it has to fight it's way up to Sony which is number 1 overall. People who own PS1 consoles now will probably not buy the Xbox just because their current games aren't compatible with it. If they buy the PS2 they have a new gaming console, new games AND they can still use their old games without having their old console.

    Microsoft can only aim for those who do not own a console allready or those who want a new console and their is no "upgrade" for their current cosole and it's games.. and those are few. The people who did not buy a gaming console in the past are most likely not going to buy one now just because Microsoft is the manufacturer. Those who do will most likely ask around their friends to see what they use so they can swap games etc..

    Microsofts best bet is "giving away" the console at very low prices hoping that people with less money to spend will choose their Xbox. Not because of the games, not because of the Microsoft tag and certainly not because of the fact that it is "superior" to other consoles..
  • Innovation (Score:5, Funny)

    by Cam Wheeler ( 145226 ) on Friday April 19, 2002 @03:13AM (#3371684) Homepage
    "With a fast CPU, wizzy graphics card, ethernet, DVD and TV out"

    A game console with tv out? Amazing, it's bound to sell like hotcakes with innovation like this.
  • by ApheX ( 6133 ) on Friday April 19, 2002 @03:15AM (#3371687) Homepage Journal
    1.) The idea that the Microsft would turn the Xbox into a PC? Do you know how hard they have worked to make sure people _DONT_ perceive the Xbox as a PC? Not only would this piss off hardware vendors but it would land them in legal trouble instantly. I don't care what arguement you may have - you will _never_ see the XBox performing as a PC.

    2.) XBox as a DVR (or TiVo type device). Well, considering there currently isn't a TV input for the XBox I dont think this will happen. I suppose they could feed video via ethernet over broadband but this would be insane. Again, the changes of MS doing something like this is next to nothing.

    3.) Chances are if the XBox does fail - its dead. Yes Microsoft has put tons of money behind the Xbox but that doesn't mean they have to keep supporting it if its a loser. Look at UltimateTV - Microsoft put a lot behind that and while they are still providing support for their existing customer base they certainly aren't pushing the product anymore.

    I own an XBox, a PS2 and a Dreamcast. In every market some products win, some fail - not everyone can win. The Xbox hasn't even been out a year yet and everyone is expecting its demise - I would have to give the product at least a year from now to more properly speculate what its life will be like. Only time will tell. The best we can hope for if the Xbox fails is that by some grace of god M$ gives regular users what they need to 'hack' the box. Fat chance.

    As for the MS Hate talk:
    While Slashdot is website built for a community -the boring, redundant "M$ Sucks, M$ is Evil" rhetoric gets really boring, redundant and repetitive. Yes everyone has an opinon but the "Me too!" posts suck - Everyone knows you hate them so shut up already.
    • "1.) The idea that the Microsft would turn the Xbox into a PC? Do you know how hard they have worked to make sure people _DONT_ perceive the Xbox as a PC? Not only would this piss off hardware vendors but it would land them in legal trouble instantly. I don't care what arguement you may have - you will _never_ see the XBox performing as a PC."

      Of course they don't want it percieved that way, there OS distributers(getawat, Dell, etc...) would drop a brick. No tts a game console. that will, coincedently, be turned into a computer, once it is in a few million homes. MS will be like "Hey we sold a game console, now are customers want a more robust operating system, we're just meet customer demand..."

      Even if this wasn't there original plan, In a desperate move for somebody to save their ass, I can see it going that way.

      "2.) XBox as a DVR (or TiVo type device). Well, considering there currently isn't a TV input for the XBox I dont think this will happen. I suppose they could feed video via ethernet over broadband but this would be insane. Again, the changes of MS doing something like this is next to nothing."
      I wonder if they could use the USB 2.0 port to do that(with adapter, of course)? I tend to agree with you, but if your a company, and your contracted to produce a million units, and your not successful you:
      a)go out of business. Not going to happen with MS
      b)Buy out the contract
      c)Find another use for those products sitting in warehouses costing you money.

      If then X-Box failes, which it is, I would think thet'll go for C.
      As for the MS hate talk, hate talk, if you don't ignore it, it will just ruin your day. Beside someone has to tell the newbies that MS sucks. ;)
  • by Zarathustra.fi ( 513464 ) on Friday April 19, 2002 @03:17AM (#3371697)
    Hoorays for lowering the price of the Xbox unit itself, but what about the games? As a PC gamer enthusiast, the relatively high price of Xbox games at around 100 euros makes me think twice before buying this...thing into my living room. Sure, it's also a DVD player, but most of all, it's a game console, obviously.

    I mean, what fun is it, if I have to think about my budget for the whole month when buying a game? I don't want my game buying decision to be a well-thought, rational financial decision, but instead I just want to think whether this game will be entertaining me enough in order to justify the amount of money I'm giving away for it.

    The high price of the games takes that fun away, and atleast for me, the Xbox remains on the shelf at the local store, waiting for those game prices to come down.

    And really, don't start with that piracy thing and how it really justifies the high price. It doesn't.
    • I mean, what fun is it, if I have to think about my budget for the whole month when buying a game? I don't want my game buying decision to be a well-thought, rational financial decision, but instead I just want to think whether this game will be entertaining me enough in order to justify the amount of money I'm giving away for it.


      Absoblimminlutely!

      I've bypassed the last couple of generations of consoles because I seriously grudge paying £70 for a game. Even £40 or 50 is too high. My Gameboy (original, big grey brick style) has a stack of about 40 games built up mainly over a couple of years when it was new. Thats about £1000 worth of games for a bloody handheld. Why did I spend that - because if I fancied a game I'd spend 25 quid on it and if I got a couple of weeks of fun out of it I was happy.

      But popping into the games shop you don't just splash £70 on a SINGLE game. I can score a decent amount of charlie for that!

      make games £20 again and I'm right back in the market!
  • According to this news report [yahoo.com], Microsoft expects to sell 3.5 to 4 million units of Xbox, instead of previously planned 4.5 to 6, by end of June this year:

    Microsoft said on Thursday it expected to ship a total of 3.5 million to 4 million Xbox video consoles by the end of June, a drastic scaling back of previous expectations of 4.5 million to 6 million units, due to weak sales in Japan and Europe.

  • by Kris_J ( 10111 ) on Friday April 19, 2002 @03:50AM (#3371778) Homepage Journal
    If the also brought the price of the games down to A$29.95 then I'd cave in and buy one. It's easy to resist a cheap console when the games are so damn expensive. I think I'll drop by a pawnbroker on the way home from work and see what the average price for a secondhand Xbox game is at the moment...
    • Prices are cheap. I remember buying games for the Sega Master System for $40-50 over 12 years ago. Today they're still the same price and the cost of developing games is incredibly higher than it was back then.

      Buy 1 or 2 games that you can play for months (like Super Smash Brothers) and the price isn't bad at all.

      On the other hand, new consoles are relatively expensive compared to the $100 Nintendos of the 80's but the prices come down eventually.
  • Sony's Response (Score:5, Insightful)

    by quantaman ( 517394 ) on Friday April 19, 2002 @03:53AM (#3371790)
    It will be interesting to see what Sony does in response. It's seems clear that they will drop prices in response but the question is how much. The way I see it Sony basically has 2 options. First they can drop their price a bit. Keep their profit margins and try and wait it out hoping the X-box doesn't get too big. Or they can respond with their one big price cut and try and hurt MS bad enough to force them out of the market for good. If Sony is able to force MS out of the consol market that is a huge boon for them because that destroys their major competition, right now Sony is very established in that market and I dno't see them giving any ground without a big fight. MS on the other hand has a lot of cash in the bank (I heard someone say it could run for another 10 years without another dime of revenue?!?) and they have a lot of other interests involved with the sucess of X-box (MS in the living room), it will be interesting to see how far MS decides to stick it out. I think the question is how far will this price war go, I can't see MS dropping the price much more but they are ruthless. If Sony doesn't do something big I think X-box is here to stay, MS ain't cashing in their chips at this point and there will be some very heavy competion in the consol market. It will be very interesting to see what kind of response Sony makes to this price cut. We could end up with anything from a Sony-MS split in consols to a corporate game of chicken.
    • How come sony dropping the price to edge out microsoft is a huge boon, but microsoft dropping them to beat sony is them being ruthless? You see this constantly on slashdot. Sure MS dont stick to standards, dont have the most superior product, etc etc. In the end though their loyalties lie not to "the industry" but to the share holders. I dont think at any stage microsoft should be sitting back going "what is the best thing I can do for the IT world today? oh not release a new OS because this one is just dandy!" they should be going "get a new OS out faster, we need to keep our share holders happy". Yes it's not ideal, but it's simply intelligent business practice and they deserve every cent they can squeeze out of people. Nobody has any right to complain, we drive the market. Dont like the product, dont buy it. If it's a success, bad luck you were in the minority. Want to do something about it? All the whining flaming trolls on here who hate MS should buy up as many shares as they can and influence the direction of the company. I sincerly doubt many of you would maintain your stance were the outcome going to affect your own back pocket* *please dont take as a dig to the initial poster, just a criticism of the ever increase MS hate fud on slashdot of late.
  • by DarkHelmet ( 120004 ) <mark AT seventhcycle DOT net> on Friday April 19, 2002 @04:32AM (#3371874) Homepage
    You know that "X" that's on the Xbox? In Australia it's detachable. So not only do you get the Xbox for the nice price of $200 USD, you also get two nifty boomerangs that can help you impale your much smarter neighbors who used their money to buy Playstations and Gamecubes.

    Now you get their systems too. 3 systems for 200 dollars... Score!

  • People who have already bought an X-Box (or won one in my case - I'm not that stupid) can get two free games plus an extra controller (see http://www.xbox.com/uk/news/0025.htm [xbox.com])

    Trouble is, of the games on offer, you're certain to already have at least one and the others might not really appeal (speaking as someone who took Amped back to the shop and got his money back).

    The games are:

    Halo
    Rallisport Challenge
    Project Gotham Racing
    Amped
    Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee
    Dead or Alive 3
    Bloodwake
    Fuzion Frenzy

    Still, it's probably worth getting them just to use as coffee mats - it costs M$oft money and that can only be a good thing...
  • GNU/Linux to run on this thing?

    I'm not super programmer, but I'd be quite happy if some kid (or adult) somewhere figured out how to make one of these a nice little computer system.

    After all, a $200 computer for the parents and a happy smile (for taking the cost out of Gate's pocket) would make a happy, happy man. (Is there something wrong when you feel joy at another man's loss?)

  • Buy a Dreamcast (Score:2, Interesting)

    by potnoodle ( 571291 )
    It's still the best gaming experience money can buy, and the graphics hold up quite well in the face of PS2 & xbox (with the only regret that Sega never released a proper soccer game). Shame that these wretches who call themselves game distributors don't get it and stop taking kids for complete morons with lame games (yes, that's you, Oddcrap) when for a fraction of the price of that 1970's VCR with a green X on it, you can play 4 player Power Stone 2 or Rez or Bangai-O. Ah, but you have to like games more than ripping people off... tough choice!
  • No Brainer... (Score:5, Informative)

    by SJ ( 13711 ) on Friday April 19, 2002 @11:34AM (#3373792)
    I can tell you exactly why MS has dropped the price of the XBox here in OZ.

    They are shit-scared of the Nintendo GameCube. Nintendo has been running a HUGE marketing campaign here in OZ. There about about 4 or 5 commercials for the GameCube every night on all three major TV stations. Not to mention Print and Radio. I have seen a total of ONE TV commercial for the XBox. The GC isn't even due til May 17th!.

    Guess how much the GC is going to be when it is released. Yep... AUS$399. Funny that.

    (This is also completely ignoring the fact that the XBox is so damn big, and the controller is just wrong.)

    To be perfectly honest, I would love to see Sony and Nintendo drop their prices to AUS$199. This would basically wipe the XBox off the face of the planet.
  • by egomaniac ( 105476 ) on Friday April 19, 2002 @12:42PM (#3374243) Homepage
    One thing I find interesting is that I've repeatedly heard the argument that Microsoft can just throw money at XBox until it succeeds. The whole first-iteration-sucks but the third-one-will-be-good thing Microsoft is famous for.

    I don't buy it.

    The XBox looks likely to fail. It's getting its ass whipped everywhere but America, and even here the GameCube has started to outsell it despite no strong releases on the GameCube side. When Resident Evil, Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Eternal Darkness, and Star Fox Adventures hit the GameCube (supposedly all this year), Microsoft will need to have some damned strong support on their side to survive just in North America. And, barring some big surprises being revealed at E3, it doesn't look like they have too many great games coming, at least not that will stand up to Zelda and Mario. In any case, no matter how they do here, I think it's very likely that Japan, Europe, and Australia are lost causes.

    Suppose they do fail utterly -- they have to discontinue the XBox because people aren't buying it. Now, this is Microsoft, so of course they go back to the drawing board and release the even-more-powerful XBox 2. Twice as powerful as the Playstation 3, say, and a bit cheaper. Sounds great, right? Microsoft can just keep shoveling these things into the market until one of them sticks, the same way they've done with everything else.

    Well, no. Firstly, Microsoft's first-party games won't support the XBox 2 by itself. Nintendo is the only game company in the world that can pull that trick off. So the XBox 2 will need third-party support in order to have any games at all, and without games nobody will buy the system, no matter how powerful it is.

    Even after the XBox failure, many PC game companies might be willing to port their stuff to the XBox 2 for a quick buck. But can you imagine *anybody* developing exclusive software for the XBox 2, after the complete and utter failure of the XBox? Well, it's not impossible, but the XBox 2 would have to have a lot going for it in order to attract any third-party game companies. The Japanese third-parties, in particular, would be unlikely to touch the thing after the obvious failure of the first. They're leery enough dealing with the first one, and only tremendous work on Microsoft's part got any Japanese support at all.

    I'm well aware that Microsoft has deep pockets and can afford to buy game companies outright in order to force them to develop for the XBox 2 -- but that's not the point. They've already bought Bungie, and shovelled money at others, and it doesn't seem to be making a hell of a lot of difference. They need to fix the problem *now*, or it will be far, far more expensive to try to salvage the XBox 2. Microsoft isn't stupid -- they are perfectly well aware that unless they succeed now, it will be *really* expensive to try to make a comeback.

    In my view, if the XBox fails, it's all over for Microsoft's game console business. It will be really tough to buy back consumer and third-party confidence after the fiasco that looks to be shaping up.

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