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Good Online FPS Games/Servers For Beginners? 804

An anonymous reader writes "I have been playing videogames for years, but only recently got a DSL line in my house and so have never played any online games before now, as dial up was always too slow. Now that I have a fast connection, I want to get into online gaming, FPS gaming in particular. My problem is that Unreal Tournament, Counter-Strike, Quake and all the other popular games seem to be dominated by people using cheats, and by established clans of players who are a lot better than me. Are there any online FPS games or servers whose barriers to entry are not too high for the average player? I am looking for something that I can just connect to for a half an hour now and then when I am bored and can have fun with."
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Good Online FPS Games/Servers For Beginners?

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  • LAN with Friends (Score:5, Insightful)

    by DreadSpoon ( 653424 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:20PM (#8229234) Journal
    Honestly, just get some friends together on a LAN and play. It's more entertaining than playing with a mass of immature idiots online anyhow. ;-)

    It'll also give you the opportunity to build up those skills to get good enough to compete with the losers^wpros who spend all their time playing FPS games.
  • by Meridun ( 120516 ) * on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:21PM (#8229235) Homepage
    Why don't you try playing single player, or perhaps set up a LAN game filled with some bots while you bring yourself up to speed with the games?

    I know that the question specified "online", but if you consider yourself a beginner, then you probably need to practice some before you get online and swim with the sharks. Many of the current FPS games allow for single-player with bots, and the bots are often good enough to mimic real players, with the useful difference that you can adjust their difficulty. I know that my officemates and I practiced with Tribes 2 that way for several hours when we bought the game before we logged into the online servers, and it made a world of difference in our enjoyment.

  • Small and Simple (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Jailbrekr ( 73837 ) <jailbrekr@digitaladdiction.net> on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:22PM (#8229274) Homepage
    Give BZFlag a try. (Multiplayer CTF Battlezone)

    http://www.bzflag.org/

    Its small, simple, and a helluvalot of fun to play.
  • ArmageTRON (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Stavr0 ( 35032 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:22PM (#8229279) Homepage Journal
    FP Light Cycle Game (open source, multiplatform) just like the movie.
  • Re:LORD! (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Valegor ( 693552 ) * on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:23PM (#8229287)
    Lord may not be a first person shooter, but I rank it up there as one of the greatest games of all time.
  • Re:Well (Score:5, Insightful)

    by CompWerks ( 684874 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:23PM (#8229296)
    If you think there aren't any cheats that circumvent PunkBuster/Steam then you are't looking very hard.
  • Tribes (Score:3, Insightful)

    by AstrumPreliator ( 708436 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:23PM (#8229297)
    Try Starsiege: Tribes. It's an old game but people still play it. It's actually a pretty easy game to pick up, but damn hard to master. You will lose the first couple games, but thats going to happen in any FPS you pick up. Tribes takes advantage of the third dimension (jet pack) so it teaches you to lead properly and it gives you a good feel for hitting someone with a projectile. Once you get good at Tribes you're almost garunteed to be good at another FPS.
  • by FortKnox ( 169099 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:24PM (#8229300) Homepage Journal
    Find the newest game on the market. Most are all pretty much the same now-a-days, and if you want to get on a game that has no established game gurus, and no cheats, you need to get the bleeding edge game that no one has had a chance to master and/or crack.

    Honestly, any game someone mentions thats a bit older (like Enemy Territory) is a bit too complex for a 'fps newbie'. A fps newbie should get used to playing a standard deathmatch, and learning things like circle strafing... THEN get into a game that requires complex strategies and team play.... that's when things get really fun :-)
  • BF1942 (Score:5, Insightful)

    by dfj225 ( 587560 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:25PM (#8229331) Homepage Journal
    I would suggest battlefield 1942. You can hop in to a game quickly, and it uses punkbuster, so there is little to no cheating. BF1942 is not one of those games where people get insanely good and know every little inch of the map. Plus, if WW2 isn't your bag, you can always download destert combat for some modern action. I personaly like DC better than the original, but thats just me.
  • Re:RtCWeT (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:26PM (#8229352)
    There is a heirarchy of difficulty for a given game.

    1) The hardest servers will be fully patched to the newest version.

    2) Much easier servers are servers that were never patched. Many noobs here, young kids, etc that didn't play enough to want to patch, or don't know that a patch exists.

    3) Easier still is the demo version. Almost entirely newbs here, everyone at all serious layed out the $40 long ago.

    So, using Return to Castle Wolfenstien as an example,

    - The 1.4 servers are tough. Clans live here.
    - The 1.33 servers are much easier
    - The Wolf MP test beta is easier still.

    BTW Wolf has punkbuster. Just because someone gets constant headshots does not mean they are cheating. I can regularly dominate a match, but I also routinely get owned by peole who are simply phenominal.
  • bzflag (Score:4, Insightful)

    by BadBlood ( 134525 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:27PM (#8229362)
    http://www.bzflag.org/

    The game is like the old Battlezone game where tanks move around trying to simply kill each other. The flag part is where you run over flags and get different "power-ups" depending on the type of flag.

    It's cross-platform, simple, and the graphics are scalable such that it can be run on a variety of machines varying horsepower.
  • Re:RtCWeT (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Chip7 ( 587423 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:28PM (#8229375)
    Also, RTCW:ET uses punkbuster. It doesn't catch all cheats but does a decent job keeping the game fair.

  • by HappyFunnyFoo ( 586089 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:28PM (#8229381)
    If you are referring to UT2003, try GibGames.com port 2206 or 2225 for the more "skilled" players, or just connect to one of the countless deathmatch servers. Cheaters are rarely a problem; I encounter a cheater once in every twenty matches on UT2003. With Quake 3 your best bet is to only join servers with punkbuster enabled (this should have been obvious already) as it seems to stop cheating to some degree.

    Some inexperienced FPS players automatically assume that someone's cheating when they get smacked down, often repeatedly. 99% of the time it's just skill, in my experience. I often thought the same way when people would have 20 frags and no deaths. However, I now realize that it's just talent. I am not in any way saying that you are one of these people, it's just that cheating is a lot rarer on online FPS games than one might expect from reading this post.

    I have no experience with Half-Life: Counterstrike. This only applies to Q3 and UT2003.
  • Re:RtCWeT (Score:3, Insightful)

    by JuliusRV ( 742529 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:29PM (#8229402)
    Yes! It's fun, it's free (as in beer) and you can play it under Linux!
    But be prepared to get addicted... after a few days, your vocabulary will be reduced to the messages of the quickchat, as happened to the people in the video on this page (hilarious, a must see!):

    http://www.et.gamesunited.de/files.html
  • by Apreche ( 239272 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:29PM (#8229408) Homepage Journal
    Beginners should play single player first. Get yourself a copy of doom. Beat the game on at least hurt me plenty mode. Then beat doom 2 the same way. It doesn't take long. Then beat quake 2 single player on normal. Forget quake 1. Then beat half-life single player on normal. After that you should have amassed enough fps skill to rock the house.

    Play some good old team fortress classic. It isn't that popular anymore, but people still play. It will train you to apply your already existing fps skills against real players. Once you've got the multiplayer fps groove and the skills to avoid being called a n00b pick your game of choice. You can go for a slower paced lower skilled game like america's army, BF1942. A middle of the road game like UT. Or the high skill fierce competition games like CS and natural selection.

    There are lots of fpses out there, and one of them is right for you. But don't jump right into the online world like you're in the polar bears club. Remember, you're going up against guys like me who've been fpsing since wolf3d on dos and the game wont be fun for you if I frag you in two seconds every time. Go through the same skill building process we did. You have the luxury of not having to wait years for new games to come out, so take advantage of it.

    As for me lately the only fps I'm into is NS.
  • Re:RtCWeT (Score:5, Insightful)

    by NutscrapeSucks ( 446616 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:31PM (#8229443)
    I love RTCW:ET, but I wouldn't recommend it for the casual player.

    The maps are very large and there's a complex set of objectives which have to be accomplished. Basically, you have to know where to be and where to go or else you are largely going to be useless.

    I tried it with some friends of mine -- while in standard RTCW you could just bumrush the Map Room or whatever, these guys never really got the hang of ET and were always wandering around the wrong side of the map.

    The good thing about the games is that if you aren't the best FPS shooter, you can be a Medic or Engineer and just play defense.
  • Terracorps (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Spleen ( 9387 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:32PM (#8229455)
    Terracorps [terracorps.com] is an online armored combat game that does not have huge hardware requirements. This is a very simple shooter type game, anyone can play, but the strategy behind it can become incredibly complex. This game pulled me away from Quake III and C&C Generals.
  • Re:America's Army (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Gyorg_Lavode ( 520114 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:33PM (#8229474)
    Recommending America's Army is cruel. AA has a VERY steep learning curve. It takes a while to get the hang of working with teammates (which you really have to do), navigating the maps, keeping your head down, knowing the objectives, using the weapons correctly etc. For one thing, in AA, your weapon doesn't fire strait. If you machine gun someone who is a ways away, you'll be lucky to hit them once while they sight a shot and 1-hit kill you.

    That said, I think the person saying it's all about grenades isn't really fair. A lot of times you can't use them because of the close quarters and worries about killing a team mate. Also, once you learn the places the opposing team will most likely throw grenades blindly, you can avoid most of them. On most maps, teams will use grenades right off the bat and people will run strait into them.

  • "Easy" FPSs (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:34PM (#8229485)
    When you're first starting, it does seem like everyone is either cheating or is super-l33t.

    Couple of suggestions:

    1. Play BF1942-- fun and doesn't really require a great deal of skill (flying can be tricky tho)IMHO. Not a troll, just my experience.

    2. Read some strategy guides-- see the ones e.g. at www.csnation.net. When I started at CS, I plain sucked. I still suck. But there are a few really basic things that can really help (like sticking together, how to shoot the ak or when to use that 'nade).

    3. Play on clan servers with reasonably good players. I found that playing DoD or CS with people who could kick my a$$ made me much better after time. You just try harder as opposed to those pubs where people are screaming n00b or h4x all the time. :)

    4. lower the mouse sensitivity. I'm amazed at the accuracy improvement. Those nerves won't screw you up as much.

    5. learn the maps. Start an empty server or play on a lan and try to figure out the camping/sniper spots. That's how a LOT of kills are made, esp in HL-based games.

    6. Keep moving when shot at, stop when you shoot back. How often do you say, "WTF I WAS SHOOTING AT HIM???"-- quite possibly you were running at the same time.

    And I could go on. FPS, especially HL, require lots of practice. That should help a little.
  • Re:Well (Score:3, Insightful)

    by tricops ( 635353 ) <.moc.oohay. .ta. .1111spocirt.> on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:34PM (#8229492)
    Be that as it may, I don't understand everyone's automatic assumption that so many people are cheating.
    Granted, I know there are people out there who do cheat, but people have a tendency to blame cheating
    any time someone is much better than them. If it were anywhere near as bad as some people make it out
    to be there would be a ratio of like one person not cheating for every 3-50 who are. :-p
  • Natural Selection (Score:5, Insightful)

    by CeleronXL ( 726844 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:35PM (#8229508) Homepage
    Natural Selection [natural-selection.org] is quite good. It's a Half-Life mod that has an excellent player community - very few nubs, and almost zero hackers. Relatively complicated gameplay, but once you learn it, it is very fun.
  • Day Of Defeat (Score:4, Insightful)

    by DR SoB ( 749180 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:36PM (#8229518) Journal
    This is a half-life mod similar to Counter Strike, only 1000 X's better. It does not have the cheating issue's that CS has. I have been playing it since the release of Half Life, and it is amazing. Everyone that plays it with me is instantly hooked. I can't say enough good about this game. I have been a gamer since Sierra's earliest days (yes, I still have my original copy of Police Quest 1.).
  • by GoofyBoy ( 44399 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:36PM (#8229523) Journal
    > seem to be dominated by people using cheats, and by established clans of players who are a lot better than me.

    With any game this is going to happen. Its like playing football with other people, sometimes the other team is going to have big bulky guys and sometimes you are going to lose.

    Play and have fun. Its no fun losing 0-10 but thats why you have rotating maps and teams get mixed up. And you will get better.

    My suggestions:
    1. Learn the maps. Learn the guns.
    2. Follow another player. Do what they do. Talk in game to them. (use team talk)
    3. Try and play as a team. Say thank you. Joke around (Sexual jokes are welcomed. Homosexual jokes more so.)
    4. Enjoy the excitement with playing with pretty guns and the thrill of shooting them off.
  • leagues (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:36PM (#8229527)
    Actually instead of trying to find an obscure FPS to play, I think the real problem is that fact that the established FPS's don't have the concept of "divisions" like sports leagues do. I suck at soccer, yet I can play in a division 3 recreational league with other people who also suck at soccer and have fun. Maybe the next generation of FPS's will have such a concept if we are lucky. Then I can join a div 3 recreational Doom III league and have fun, instead of trying it out, getting fragged a million times and not bother to log on again.

    Just a thought
  • by Pxtl ( 151020 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:39PM (#8229576) Homepage
    Amen - not only that, but with LANs you can run all the most obscure mods you want. Before you say "who has a home LAN" - think it through, most geeks out there have a few old P166 boxen around. Anything above that level can run HL or Q2 - Voodoo2 cards are like $20 if you hunt for them. Just from keeping old computers around when they get replaced, I've got a 7-PC lan of computers faster than 166 at my family's house.

    If its an older lan (p133 and up) get Quake 2 for Superheros Q2, Weapons Factory, Transformers Quake 2, and Action Quake 2. And get BattleZone. Half Life if you've got Voodoos. If you get HL, don't be afraid to hunt for the more obscure mods - my fave mod for HL is an obscure little action/racing hybrid named Turbo. Very fast, very violent, very cheap.

    Good introductory games:
    UT - easiest deathmatch FPS ever. An endless supply of good mods exist, and unlike in HL you can mix and match them.
    Nerf ArenaBlast - UT for the kiddies!
    Cube - simple, but painfully fast. wouter.fov120.com/cube
    Serious Sam - easiest FPS to learn, no getting lost, no thinking - just shooting.

    The newer FPS games I've played have all been harder, faster games. UT2k3 lost the whole "Quake for newbs/girls" appeal that the old UT had.

    Oh, and BattleZone 1 is the greatest RTS/FPS hybrid ever.
  • by Mr. Underbridge ( 666784 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:40PM (#8229591)
    Why don't you try playing single player, or perhaps set up a LAN game filled with some bots while you bring yourself up to speed with the games?

    Because you never get up to speed playing maybe a couple hours per week, like the guy in question does. You play that infrequently, and you still get your ass kicked.

    Bottom line is he (and many of us!) want servers where one can be capabibility-matched, so as to have a fun and competitive game regardless of skill level. Basically the idea is to vent some real-life frustration without making the game a full-time job.

  • by badmammajamma ( 171260 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:41PM (#8229609)
    A lot of people think people cheat who just happen to be VERY good. When I first started playing UT2k3, I thought a lot of people were cheating. After I played it for 6 months, I realized I was very wrong. Some people are just exceptionally good players. Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean it's impossible or cheating.

    In any event, when I first started UT2k3 I was a n00b, but after several months of playing I became quite good, joined a clan, competed in ladders, etc. It just takes a long time to get there. Practice, practice, practice. You also have to learn how to tune your mouse, know what kind of mouse to use, have a good mouse pad for your mouse (logitechs are great mice but finicky with what pad you use), hotkeys, etc. Just get over the fact you're gonna get your ass kicked all over creation for a long time and you'll be fine.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:41PM (#8229614)
    Except when a teammate would rather shoot you and take your vehicle/launcher/etc than try to get their own.

    Many a game I've sat in hiding with a fuel-rod launcher, waiting for 'Red' to come around the corner, only to be 'naded from beind by some jackass who wants to take the launcher and look for trouble (sually dihin 10 seconds of taking it).
  • by Skweetis ( 46377 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:42PM (#8229622) Homepage
    I'm glad this was modded insightful. I actually find that I enjoy LAN parties so much more than online gaming that I usually don't bother with online play anymore. There are a few reasons for this:
    • All those latency problems disappear (unless you have a really crappy hub, or something).
    • It's easier to choose who you play with, important as FPSs are much more fun when players are evenly matched.
    • It's a social event. Get some pizza and beer, and enjoy yourself! (The beer may even help improve the skills :).
  • Re:Well (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Shalda ( 560388 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:51PM (#8229745) Homepage Journal
    That brings to mind the biggest problem with playing games online. People are weenies. That's why I've given up on the Internet and gone back to LAN parties.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:52PM (#8229753)
    I disagree. First of all, a good player in any one FPS is good because they have mastered skills that can be, more or less, universally applied to FPS games. Skills like good aim, effective weapon management, and clever tactics. I would think that these elite players of FPS games - those who seem to spend all their time playing - would tend to keep up on the latest games moreso than the average, casual player. In theory, most of the players of an older game would probably be those who don't spend enough time playing to warrant spending $50 on the latest and greatest FPS. Obviously this argument is invalid for the free FPS games, such as America's Army and Enemy Territory, although the large download sizes of such games might act as a smiliar barrier.

    That said, the cheating question is still a valid argument against older games, as the older a game is, the longer people have been trying to cheat at it.
  • by duran.goodyear ( 257083 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @04:57PM (#8229830) Homepage
    I'm a senior admin over at http://www.arsclan.net [arsclan.net]

    We have CS servers, NS servers, BF1942 Servers, an occasionaly other servers that pop up and vanish as popularities wax and wane.

    the community is where its all at though, we have a top notch admin team, who take cheating and general mis-behavior very seriously, and do an amazing job keeping the servers fun for all levels of players.
  • by Barbarian ( 9467 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @05:13PM (#8230047)
    Unfortunately, the same people that are modifying punkbuster or any other anti-cheat system have hundreds of cd-keys to play with. They always claim it is a keygen, which is usually false. What happens is they set up some irc bots to send people trojans who join irc channels (a good way to always target people who play the game in question), or they scan for open windows fileshares. As an example, there was a windows file sharing scanning program going around cable modems near me--you'd see it try to connect every 5 minutes or so from a different IP (all local cable modems in my city). I made a samba share to look like a windows directory and got a copy (and sent it to Mcafee and norton) showing that it was really a trojan/worm.

    Anyways, one day I decided to try connecting to the people scanning, and sure enough, they had open fileshares in windows, usually c:\. I probably shouldn't have, but I left a note in autoexec.bat followed by "pause". The other thing was, they all had Half-Life directories. I could have stolen their cd-key's if I wanted by copying their registry! I'm betting they all got duped by a "cheat program" that someone put out.
  • by endus ( 698588 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @05:14PM (#8230073)
    Well, since this reply is complete and utter nonsense, I wouldn't suggest listeing to it. Who would mod this up? It's total nonsense. Anyone who has played a game and paid attention to their ping for more than 5 seconds can tell you this is wrong.
  • Re:America's Army (Score:2, Insightful)

    by 74nova ( 737399 ) <jonnbell@gm[ ].com ['ail' in gap]> on Monday February 09, 2004 @05:17PM (#8230109) Homepage Journal
    as much as i love it, quake is a rocket fest. you can be a reasonably better but if you have any other weapon, you will lose against the rocket. sure, some people are pretty good with other weapons, but the rocket rules 99% of the time. i dont have a problem with this at all, however.

    that being said, i agree with everything else you said about AA. the realism is nice, but its nice to just be able to jump right into a game like enemy territory(which, for those not in the know is for linux as well)
  • Just jump in.. (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Gillious ( 723833 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @05:31PM (#8230335)
    It may seem frustrating at first, but the best route is to probably choose a game that's been around a while. The tribes series has always been my personal favorite. But go with whatever floats your boat. The thing about FPS games is that each game may have simalarities, but all "feel" diffrent. Just go with what game "feels" right.
  • by xihr ( 556141 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @06:00PM (#8230815) Homepage

    Although cheating is a serious problem on some servers, the fact is most claims of cheating are false. It's the beginners who see cheating when it's not there. They come from newbies who don't realize that although they think they are good, there are people much, much better than them. There's a hierarchy of tiers of player skill in FPS games, just like there is in life. Even people in the top tiers will get trounced by people on the even higher tiers.

    All the problems that come with people cheating can be eliminated simply by playing on a good, reliable, well-administrated server that you've come to trust. It can take time to find one, but it's worth the investment. In short, don't sell out Quake, Counter-Strike, and its progeny just yet.

  • by randyest ( 589159 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @06:06PM (#8230910) Homepage
    You have a good point, but I think you're jumping too quickly to a solution in the wrong direction, IMHO. You want servers filtered and segregated by skill level. I don't think this will work. Here's why:

    Intermediate-to-advanced players will surely occasionally hop onto a n00b server to shoot some fish in a barrel, take out some frustration, test a new tecchnique, or whatever. This will annoy and discourage players who are "expecting" to do well because of server skill settings.

    Some new players may even incorrectly assume that they don't have to bother with the (relatively high) learning curve of the controls and coordination required for most FPS games.

    A sort of Peter principle kicks in: as soon as you have one or a few games where you start to do much better than the preset skill level for that server, you have to move on. It would be hard to tune the system to choose the "break-point" at a proper time for everyone. If I get lucky and a wild grenade kills 10 enemies, am I ready to move on? A tough AI problem, for sure.

    The idea of filtering by skill quickly gets reduced to filtering by score, or at best aggregate average scores. This can work if you have a game with uniqie id's and centralized tracking [bftracks.com]. But then you'll need to account for multiple player for the same game CD, which allows for "cheating" the system by creating new "n00b" accounts.

    Even if you work around the problems above, note that score is really not strongly related to player skill. Scores are more a combination of relative player skills, the maps, and playing styles used in each game. Bad players can get high scores and good players can gwet low scores, especially in team games, depending on the class and role they are playing.

    In fact, some team-based mods are now actually not tracking individual player scores, but only team scores. This is to encourage more teamwork and less Rambo-style play. Some players get very high scores by baseraping with planes or whatever, yet still play poorly (by definition) because their team loses, and they don't help. If team victory is the goal, individual scores don't do well to promote it.

    The above emphasise the problems with determining "skill" in terms of segregating servers and enforcing the segregation, and it also leads into my suggestion.

    With class-based games, you have the option of focusing on 5 or 6 different skill sets / strategies. If you're not the best/fastest twitch finger in the West, consider playing classes other than assault/soldier and choosing not to run head-first into the front lines. Maybe you would be better playing medic, or engineer, or artillery support. I play a variety of classes (mostly in BF1942 [battlefield.com]), and each one is a very different experience requiring totally different skills and play styles. Please consider trying them all a little and see what you may have a natural knack for, and enjoy.
  • by Theaetetus ( 590071 ) <theaetetus,slashdot&gmail,com> on Monday February 09, 2004 @06:22PM (#8231150) Homepage Journal
    Beginners should play single player first. Get yourself a copy of doom. Beat the game on at least hurt me plenty mode. Then beat doom 2 the same way. It doesn't take long. Then beat quake 2 single player on normal. Forget quake 1. Then beat half-life single player on normal. After that you should have amassed enough fps skill to rock the house.

    Come on - the question was what games/what servers to play for the casual FPSer. Someone who likes to play to relax from work, but doesn't want to devote more than a half hour or so to a "session". With what you recommend, at a half-hour a day, you're talking months, if not years of daily playing to beat all those games (at that half-hour per day) before they can get online. That's of no use to the questioner - he wants to get online *now*.

    But don't jump right into the online world like you're in the polar bears club. Remember, you're going up against guys like me who've been fpsing since wolf3d on dos and the game wont be fun for you if I frag you in two seconds every time. Go through the same skill building process we did.

    He's not asking to go against you - he's asking "where do you and your ilk *not* play?"

    For another point, I really like multiplayer FPS games, but I really hate single-player FPS. I got the RTCW multiplayer demo, loved it, bought the game, played half (yes, half) of the first level on single player, and then never played single player again - just went multiplayer. I prefer playing against human, not computer AI.

    -T

  • by TyrranzzX ( 617713 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @06:26PM (#8231194) Journal
    If you don't want to practice and put in the time to get good(which tends to make you decent at a number of games when you get good at one), then stick to single player games. There's simply no way you're going to be able to go out and have a good time in FPS games without spending some time learning a game well. Expect to, especially when the game is as difficult as tribes, get your ass handed to you on silver platter for the first few months, and that's if you're putting in a few hours a night and you've got the talent. I know a guy in my clan who is 40 somethin years old, a retired marine and he's k3wl as fsck, but even after years of tribes he can't mid air a guy jetting up and down. He can do other things and be a sneaky bastard but he can't mid air people consistantly (last time I played with him, that is).

    There simply is no multiplayer FPS game that exists that doesn't have the skilled players and cheats and clans (whom almost all usually cheat to some degree, usually the highest clans either don't cheat at all or cheat like a mofo with custom stuff). That's the reality of it.

    With that said, there are some excellent single player games out there like morrowind (if you've got the super powerful hardware) or Deus Ex, Chrome, and a couple others. There are also some low-skill multiplayer games like planetside, halo, and everquest that are designed for someone like yourself, but obviously some have a monthly fee. (I'm taking this in comparison to high skill games like tribes, BF1942, and to a lesser extent Q3, UT2K3, Natural selection, etc).
  • Re:America's Army (Score:4, Insightful)

    by MrAngryForNoReason ( 711935 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @07:14PM (#8231834)
    If you are into the rush of not knowing where the enemy are or where the next shot might come from, you should check out Vietcong [vietcong-game.com]. Single player is a bit of a dissapointment but multiplayer is incredibly tense.

    You sneak through the jungle being as quiet as possible, making sure you stay in cover, going from tree to tree bush to bush. You don't hear anything, wonder where everyone is, then suddenly you come out from behind a bush and are literally face to face with an enemy. Its that split second rush where you both just crap yourselves and start firing. This of course pushes everyone else over the edge and suddenly the jungle just erupts with gunfire.

    It has the same problems as other games with griefers and people who don't take it seriously but if you get on a good server it can be very tactical.

  • Wolf ET (Score:3, Insightful)

    by mp3phish ( 747341 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @07:24PM (#8231946)
    Most people call this game Wolf ET, or just ET. Don't let the name fool you. It is full blown WW2 saving private ryan style FPS. Its awesome...

    Here are some quick tips for newbies:

    - Start out as a medic. You can revive people with the needle, and lay down health packs for other players. If you do this well, people will start to help you by protecting you when u get into trouble. As a medic, stay in the back or middle of the pack when you spawn so you don't have to fight first. Insted, play cleanup, and finish off the enemy and revive teamates. Reviving teamates is the easiest way to get a good score and get yourself on the scoreboard if your a newb (but don't let this fool you, most of the top players play medic regularly) Another good reason to start medic is that your health automatically replenishes, so you will live longer.

    - Learn the maps. All the maps have objectives. After completing the first objective, there is usually a second main objective. As a medic, you will be able to follow the better players around.

    - teamplay teamplay teamplay... This is the name of the game. Don't run off by yourself or you will die and have to wait for respawn. As a medic you start out with smaller levels of ammo. You will have to be nice to your teamates or they will not give you any ammo. Also, without medics, everyone dies faster. Without fieldops, there isn't enough ammo for the team. Without engineers, there is nobody to complete the objectives. This game requires teamwork. Cover the engineer while he is planting the bomb. stay behind as a medic so the guy in front of you will have a backup in case he gets ambushed, etc etc.. Teamwork is the name of this game (most of the teamwork is pretty straightforward so the basics should come naturally, this is the best part of the game and why most people play it) If you are in it just to get frags, ET probably isn't the game for you...

    - Try not to talk shit. Its probably OK to talk shit sometimes, but this game isn't like CS where 24/7 shit talking and unfair gameplay is tolerated. People doing lame shit will be booted by most server admins if they see it. This is also a good reason why its such a popular game for both newbies and hardcore clan players.

    - Since this game isn't like quake*, you only have 1 main weapon, not 9 of them. So it will be easier for you to learn your loadout. There is pistol, main weapon (usually sub machinegun) and then your special weapons (needle and health packs for the medic) This simplicity means you can learn the gameply much faster. The drawback is that you have to navigate the "limbo" menu before you can join the game. This is the hardest part for most newbies: just select which team you want to be in, and select which class you want to go (medic, fieldops, soldier, covert ops, engineer) and then select your weapon. Thats it! Jump in the game and start going

    - Try not to get frustrated when your respawn timer is high. That is part of the game and if everyone had instant respawn, the gameplay would be way less fun. It keeps people from doing rambo rushes and gives value to your life. One small problem is that the enemy might try to "spawn camp" you in which case the game is no fun. If you are a serious newb, try another server, or if you get better, kill the spawn killer and your problems are solved.

    above all, have fun. This game is awesome and free. Go download it ASAP!
  • by terminal.dk ( 102718 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @08:27PM (#8232644) Homepage
    Respawn really kills the game, people don't act realistic in any way, and uses bazookas all the time to blow themself up, sometimes killing someone else as well.

    Games without respawn is way better. A good current example is Rainbow Six. Start playing cooperativew games to learn. Mature gamers, friendly atmosphere. Have yet to meet coop cheaters. This game rocks.

    Otherwise go for strategy games, like some of the best out there. Myth II Soulblighter rocks.
  • Re:Website (Score:2, Insightful)

    by glitch23 ( 557124 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @10:10PM (#8233392)
    Go figure, never would have guessed that one. Good thing there is google.
  • by Scooter ( 8281 ) <owen@ann[ ]ova.force9.net ['icn' in gap]> on Monday February 09, 2004 @10:17PM (#8233429)
    First off - there's nothing wrong with dial up for online FPS play as long as you have a decent modem. I played Quake 2 in the Uk league for years on a 56K SupraExpress. Mileage varies with the game though - Half Life was always pants on a modem - but then it ran like a 3 legged donkey at the best of times. Broadband is, of course better though.

    Now then - what to play as a "casual" n00b? Don't play Quake. What can I say? Even Quake3 is way too fast to get any instant success as a player. Quake2 is even faster. (Before you all reply about the weapons, I mean the movement rate, not the firing and weapon swapping rate).

    For a more sedate level of play try any game based on the Half Speed engine - like Counterstrike, or Team Fortress Classic - a game you can play whilst eating your dinner and still do well.

    Similarly, RTCW (and the just as good - and free Enemy Territory) is quite a leisurely paced game with breaks (when you die) and it enforces teamplay. (teamplay in 4v4 Q2 for example requires active thought on the part of the team and it's leader - whereas in RTCW, CS and most team fortress class-type games, the whole map strategy is laid out with helpful neon pointers saying "this way to ye olde strategic objective").

    Another game I found quite relaxing is Jedi Knight II CTF - just don't waste time trying to foght people with those light up sticks - there ain't no substitute for a good blast^H^H^H^H^H rocket launcher at your side kid.

    UT/UT2003/U2XMP are not exactly lightning paced games either (you shuffle along like your pants are round your ankles) but boy are the weapons fiddly. You get all manner of sludge guns, explosive ball thingies and other wierdo stuff (although XMP is not so bad on that front and has vehicles too).

    I'm afraid I don't agree about the level of cheating. I know cheating goes on, but I rarely see any and I play most FPS games online. Sometimes, a high level of skill may seem like cheating. The Quake2 source code was released a while back so potentially, there are many hacked clients knocking about for Q2, so if you are feeling braver than your post would suggest, make sure you install something like "NoCheat" or "Biteme!" and play on a server that actively enforces using these client validators. The All Seeing Eye (ASE) is perhaps the best way of locating servers - http://www.udpsoft/eye

    I think if I had to pick one for a new player - it would be RTCW ET - free, runs punkbuster and is fairly easy to get some initial encouragement with.

    When you're ready for something quicker - try 3wave Capturestrike for Q3 - full on smack! smack! smack! fzsst! bang! whack! gameplay.

    Oh yeah, and just one other tip - in the words of Obi Wan Kenobi " Use the MOUSE Luke!"

    Pob lwc!

  • Re:RtCWeT (Score:2, Insightful)

    by mordicus ( 677405 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @03:28AM (#8235148) Homepage
    The good thing about the games is that if you aren't the best FPS shooter, you can be a Medic or Engineer and just play defense.


    I wholeheartedly agree.

    Even though the maps in Enemy Territory tend to be largish and without knowledge of a map's quirks and understanding the objectives you might end up wandering around waiting for someone to snipe you, a very good way of getting the hang of things is playing a medic.

    Just hang back, follow the ones that seem to know what they're doing, avoid fire and keep your syringe ready.

    Once you're starting to get the big picture, you might want to try engi or c-ops, just don't rush into fieldopshood - poor judgement with airstrikes is a sure way to get flamed :)

    ...and remember nobody likes a kamikaze panzer soldat.

    --
    dereksmalls@euroservers
  • Re:Oh BS (Score:3, Insightful)

    by vrai ( 521708 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @07:06AM (#8235920)
    How tragic is it that people put so much effort in to cheating in va ideo game. Hours spent trying to circumvent anti-cheat mechanisms! Hours spent acheiving the square root of fuck all.

    It's not even as if they gain any kind of kudos from doing it. I can understand why people like demo writers will spend days hacking out a visual effect that has no real use. At least they can garner some level of respect from others, if only for their technical skill. By comparision online game cheats are either hated (by gamers) or considered as sad as sad can be (by everyone else).

    At least they are sufficently lacking in technical/social skills that I'll never have to work with them.

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