Duke Nukem Forever in Production 428
An anonymous reader writes "Like that fungus under your keyboard, Duke Nukem Forever never really seems to go away. Well in the latest installment in unsubstantiated DNF rumors it appears that the game is finally in production. Via Joystiq "everyone's favorite vaporware is "in full production" according to George Broussard, co-founder of 3D Realms. In an interview with 1up, towards the end, Broussard chats about the status of Duke Nukem Forever, the unfortunately-apt title to the game over a decade in development."
I thought... (Score:2)
damn.. it's even slower development then I thought
Further bad news.... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Further bad news.... (Score:2)
Re:I thought... (Score:3, Funny)
They have UML, use cases, entity relationship diagrams, dataflow diagrams, and a requirement what makes the Bible look like a short story.
It's the waterfall development model of justice.
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Re:In other news.. (Score:2)
Re:In other news.. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:In other news.. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:In other news.. (Score:2, Funny)
Pink Floyd tour (Score:3, Informative)
read this somewhere (Score:5, Funny)
Re:read this somewhere (Score:5, Funny)
Re:read this somewhere (Score:5, Insightful)
In triathlons, DNF stands for... (Score:3, Funny)
So its still vaporware then (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:So its still vaporware then (Score:2, Interesting)
at that time they said they had maps, models of creatures and weapons ready but were porting the stuff to the quake2 engine...
i don't think it will be ready before 2666.
Forget "expectations of a ten year wait" (Score:5, Interesting)
Forget that -- I want to know why anyone expects DNF to live up to the standards of a *regular* game. Why would DNF be an exceptional game? Because it has the same name and possibly a few characters as an ancient game?
Sequels make sense when they're truly related to the earlier work. Bungie's Marathon series [wikipedia.org] was good right through the series. That was because the game design was still fairly new and interesting for the time, and the same team was working on the games. It was legitimate both to expect "more of same" from the same people, and that "more of same" would be a good thing.
But, while I'm not familiar with DNF development, I doubt that the same team is working on the second game -- and that's what makes the game good, the artists and musicians and programmers and writers. Even if it was the same collection of people, I'm not sure that a team that could produce "more of same" would be a good thing.
I've only played a little Duke Nukem 3D [wikipedia.org], but I remember that the game was mostly notable for its simple, crude humor and its ability to allow you to have simple interactions with objects. (And according to WP, the mundane environments, instead of Quake's fantastic ones.) None of this is exceptional any more. The only "edge" that I would expect DNF to have over any other modern game is that some of its marketing work will have been done for it -- people with fond memories of Duke Nukem 3D might remember the name and want to buy it. Possibly that means that a smaller percentage of the funding need be blown on marketing for DNF.
Other than that, there's no reason to expect that DNF would be better than any other new game coming out.
Furthermore, DNF has constraints on it that a new game does not. This is most commmonly visible (in an extreme form) in "video games of movies". Most people who follow the video game industry know that video games based on movies tend to review rather badly. Some of this is undoubtedly due to time pressure, but I would suggest that some of it is because the game developers are constrained to follow the movie and figure out ways to incorporate the movie into the game, instead of having no restrictions on their ability to do what is necessary to develop a good game. This restriction, to a lesser degree, is present in game sequels like DNF. (Plus, these video games based on movies have the same marketing edge that DNF can be expected to have, yet they are frequently pretty bad.)
So I just can't see why anyone would expect DNF to be a particularly good game any more than I would expect a modern remake of a classic movie to be any better than any other modern movie.
Sometimes it's nice to just let pleasant memories lie and go on to producing new, different ones...
Re:Forget "expectations of a ten year wait" (Score:5, Insightful)
Duke Nukem 3d was an awesome game. You can find legions of fans, and that's the reason why DNF is getting on Slashdot: we may have given up on the new game, but we all remember the joy of the old one.
Re:Forget "expectations of a ten year wait" (Score:3, Insightful)
Right, why would I want to play in a floating space station and moon base or explore L.A. and see animated hot chicks in movie theaters when I could traverse the endless green and brown hallways and lava pits in Quake!
I'll say it, even though I know it's unpopular--Quake SUCKED. I was never more bored by a first person shooter. People only liked it because of its online multiplayer. Other than that, Doom 2 owned it (especial
Only available on the Phantom! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Only available on the Phantom! (Score:2)
Re:Only available on the Phantom! (Score:5, Funny)
Mixed Signals (Score:2)
But then at the end, he mentions that they're putting together some gameplay and making sure the game feels right. In either case, it seems like a "wait and see" approach is the best way to go. After all, if it sucks after all these
Re:Mixed Signals (Score:5, Funny)
They were planning to do character models but decided against it at the very last moment, so they were almost being done.
Yes, guns are finished; they're through with the whole guns thing, had enough of them, they're finished, gone, out of the game.
Re:Mixed Signals (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Mixed Signals (Score:4, Insightful)
Not necessarily: the work is probably divided into the engine, the plot, artwork, character models etc. I can imagine all testing so far has been done with a wirestick guy (or a squirrel or whatever model they had available) and they can develop the models independently.
Re:Mixed Signals (Score:5, Funny)
This game is going to be a damn sight weirder than I thought.
Stuart
Mourning (Score:5, Funny)
A joke that has been a stedfast for many an aspiring Troll and Humorist alike .
Like BSD before it , Duke Nukem forever jokes are now dead.
We all hope for a swift passing into the land of the dead , Also we hope that Frist psot and Soviet Russia jokes to follow soon... to um keep you company in the land of dead jokes.
Re:Mourning (Score:2)
Don't say good bye quite yet. Just because they're saying it's being worked on doesn't mean that it'll ever be released. It's been "in production" for 10 years now.
Or more like...
it's been in production for so long that...
Re:Mourning (Score:2)
Re:Mourning (Score:5, Informative)
Whatever has been going on all this time, it appears that now there is a 12/31/06 date with money attached, with millions already being paid.
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?s
One other notable payment was the renegotiation of a $6 million charge due upon delivery of the final PC version of Duke Nukem Forever back in March 2005. The epic delay of 3D Realms' shooter has meant that $4.25 million of the final milestone payment has already been paid, alongside the promise of a final $500,000 upon the commercial release of Duke Nukem Forever prior to December 31, 2006.
from the previous story about Take Two's SEC 10K filing [slashdot.org]
maybe not worth the paper it's printed on, but this is way more detail than I've seen on this in years
Turn that frown upside-down (Score:2)
Re:Mourning (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Mourning (Score:5, Funny)
Netcraft confirms it. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Mourning (Score:2)
So I am in fact more reliable than Netcraft.
Heh? (Score:5, Informative)
Check it out for yourself, from Wikipedia. [wikipedia.org].
Development (Score:4, Funny)
Wrong article title (Score:5, Funny)
Duke's Chinese Democracy (Score:2, Interesting)
3d Realms, Guns n' Roses
the most expensive album NEVER made (they say) http://www.gunsnroses.us/chinese_democracy_ever.h
that'd be funny to have GNR new album for DNF soundtrack. or not.
Re:Duke's Chinese Democracy (Score:5, Funny)
WTF, Axl is gay??!??
Re:Duke's Chinese Democracy (Score:2)
WTF, Axl is gay??!??
Who cares about Axl... The Duke is gay??!??
Not this time (Score:2)
(note to self: bookmark this post to later point and say "I told you so")
This time it's for real (Score:2)
(note to self: bookmark this post to later point and say "I told you so")
New Vaporware Lists required (Score:2)
1. Duke Nukem Forever (also Duke Nukem Whenever, Duke Nukem If Ever)
2. Windows Vista (formerly Longhorn)
3. PS3
Google's Beta products are good candidates, they never seem to get released too.
When I was in gaming school (Score:4, Insightful)
However, that logic always seemed seriously flawed - if the past estimates on how much a project will cost were bad, what guarantee is there that the current estimates are good.
Seriously, what does 3DRealms (?) have to gain anymore? It's like a doomed government military project where they keep throwing good money into this black hole, never to see anything for their investment other than ridicule.
It makes the Daikatana folks seem professional.
Either way, 3D_Realms should just shut-up until the factories are actually packaging the CDs, or quietly kill the project.
Re:When I was in gaming school (Score:2)
Re:When I was in gaming school (Score:2)
Now tell me how many times 3D_Realms were at a juncture to ask themselves this question in the past and how much they would have saved if they didn't trust their own estimates of what it cost (because it'll always cost more than one thinks) and what they are gonna get for it will be lower than they think:)
They restarte
Re:When I was in gaming school (Score:2, Insightful)
Consider the following scenario:
You've spent 150 thousand developing a game, you need 20 thousand more to finish the game. The game has an expected lifetime profit of 70 thousand.
Do you cancel the project? Heck no!
Sure, you'll make a loss of 100 thousand if yo
Re:When I was in gaming school (Score:2)
Which in this case seems unlikely - the project has been restarted twice. I'm only wondering if the
Re:When I was in gaming school (Score:2)
Great! (Score:2)
Could be worth the wait.. (Score:2, Informative)
Guys, guys (Score:2)
NOOOOooo.... (Score:2, Funny)
This will lead to the end of the world as we know it.
I'm scared, really scared....
DNF will fail almost certainly (Score:5, Insightful)
because after all the delays, hype, anticipation
no matter how good the game is, hopes will be higher than it can deliver.
And reviewers will say: "Well, it might be the greatest game ever, but it wasn't worth the wait"
Expectations aren't that high (Score:2)
So I think it will fail due to obscurity, not hype.
Re:Expectations aren't that high (Score:2)
Maybe this is exactly 3DRealms' strategy to solve this embarassing delay: they only bring it out after everyone who remembered the original has died. Or they don't even release it at all...
Re:DNF will fail almost certainly (Score:2)
Re:DNF will fail almost certainly (Score:2)
What I'm hoping for is that the game, like the previous DN games, doesn't take itself seriously, and manages to capture the offbeat, humourour lacivousness that the earlier ones did so well.
If it does, it'll be a success, in that offbeat, humourous way that the previous ones were. They didn't break new ground, and they didn't have the lat
Re:DNF will fail almost certainly (Score:2)
DNF means nothing to most gamers since I doubt most have even heard of the original. Assuming the game to be any good it will sell in droves. If it sucks, then it won't. I doubt the collective memories of gamers of a certain age who recall the original will have much to do with it one way or the other.
After all, HL2 took an age and a half to arrive too *and* was plagued by deployment problems *and* hype / anticipation. Yet it still sold by the bucket lo
Too little too late? (Score:2)
- have they really been developing non-stop of have they hust been slacking?
- will the final product (if ever available) appeal to the public? If it is the elaboration of an idea and concepts of ten years ago, won't it be outdated from day one?
Incorrect punctuation (Score:3, Funny)
Duke Nukem - Forever in Production
Dupe! (Score:3)
You're 2 months early (Score:5, Funny)
System requirements (Score:5, Funny)
IBM PC Pentium 200 or higher
Windows 95 or higher
32MB of RAM
4X CD-ROM drive
Sound Blaster 16 or Compatible
Optional: 3dfx Voodoo 2
Re:System requirements (Score:2, Funny)
guess i'll have to upgrade...
Trivial to port to PSP (Score:3, Funny)
Those system requirements match the PSP rawther well. Should we be expecting a port? Or will 3DRealms downscale the design to the Nintendo DS in order to take advantage of the system's keyboard-and-mouse-like touch screen setup?
Fungus? WTF? (Score:3, Funny)
I fucking hate comedians.
Dazzling interview skillz (Score:2)
1UP: You know, that's something you guys have gotten good at now, and that's kind of cool, because like you mentioned earlier, there's Rise of the Triad, and I remember that well--there's a lot of people who, even if they don't know the game, know the personality or know the franchise by name, right?
um... what was the question?
Maybe they were waiting for nostalgia to kick in? (Score:2, Funny)
Overview of history (Score:2)
It's been in production since 97 or so (Score:2)
You all miss the point! (Score:5, Interesting)
Although we'll lose a good joke. But the joke might in the end be on us.
This is news? (Score:2)
when pigs fly (Score:2)
It would be appropriate if the new Duke Nukem had flying pigs,
phenixes rising from their ashes, vaporware enemies, and hm, well you get the idea.
"finally"? Try "still". (Score:2)
You know, I'm beginning to think that this inability of submitters or editors to actually read or comprehend the articles that they link to is deliberate. ZOMG, we're being trolled!
#18 (Score:2)
"And yet still people are asking: Where's Duke Nukem?"
Well they've got their answer now.
unlikely combination (Score:3, Funny)
Seriously I think Lucifer may have left the air-con on high.
JonoF's Duke Nukem 3D Port (JFDuke3D) (Score:4, Informative)
Notices
9 October 2005 - New release
http://jonof.edgenetwork.org/index.php?p=jfduke3d [edgenetwork.org]
Look, that's just a status update. (Score:4, Interesting)
They got the guns and monsters. That's like, 30% of the work. since the end of the design phase. Add to that maps (30%), engine (30%), piecing it all together (10%). Development phase is about 50% time. 25% for design and preparations, 25% for betatesting, bugfixes and release.
So given their current speed and progress (about 45% of the whole project) I predict DNF around 2018. That's a realistic date.
Straight from 3DRealms! (Score:5, Insightful)
Why, oh, why is a sucker born every minute?
Riiiiiiiight (Score:3, Funny)
[D.Nukem Voice] HOLY COW [/D.Nukem Voice] (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Anticipation... Anticipayaytion... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Anticipation... Anticipayaytion... (Score:3, Insightful)
I said a major network. Now, when Stargate came out, it was on Showtime, which is owned by Viacom, which eventually bought CBS. It later moved over to Sci-Fi, which is owned by Universal Studios, which was eventually bought by NBC. But it doesn't air on CBS or NBC and neither was in on the deals to bring it to their related cable subsidiaries.
- Greg
Re:Anticipation... Anticipayaytion... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Anticipation... Anticipayaytion... (Score:4, Informative)
Well that explains why you get to see Daniel Jacksons wifes tits and ass in the first episode*. I had never figured out how they slipped that one by the FCC, even the pre-Bush FCC.
* Next week Stargate S01E01/02 will be the highest traded file(s) on your favorite P2P network as 150,000 Slashdotters download it again to bask in the light that is Daniel Jacksons wifes bush.
Re:Anticipation... Anticipayaytion... (Score:5, Funny)
All species other than the Tau'ri (Humans from Earth) are stupid.
Think about it. How could a small secret organization become a major player in the universe in a matter of years? Why do Goa'uld soldiers walk around in big noisy metal uniforms that make them easy to locate and easy to see, yet provide no protection against even handguns? How come no one else has an iris?
The answer is simple: everyone else is stupid! After that, the absurdly predictable behavior of the Goa'uld becomes perfectly clear.
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Re:Anticipation... Anticipayaytion... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Anticipation... Anticipayaytion... (Score:5, Funny)
Wait, hold on a minute now...
Dumbass (Score:2, Insightful)
Careful with your capitalisation: (Score:3, Funny)
forever in production.
Re:Anticipation... Anticipayaytion... (Score:2)
BBC doesn't count. Mostly because they don't have the ratings department breathing down people's necks because they couldn't sell enough adds.
Re:Anticipation... Anticipayaytion... (Score:2)
you should have said :
"It will make Team Fortress 2 seem like your sister's Barbie doll with the head ripped off!"
Re:Duke Nukem Forever (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Duke Nukem Forever (Score:5, Funny)
Re:how to make a game (Score:2)
Re:False alarm! (Score:2)