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Wii Outsells PS3, Blue-ray Outsells HD DVD 182

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njkid1, a regular contributor of GameDaily articles, passed us word that the Wii is handily outselling the PS3 in Japan. Famitsu parent company Enterbrain has figures showing that Nintendo sold 405,000 Wii units last month, while Sony sold 148,000 units of the PS3. While this is probably not something the folks at Sony are overjoyed about, they did have reason to crow this week. They've now announced that cumulative Blu-ray sales have passed the HD DVD format for the first time. Gamasutra has the word, from Sony itself, with some interesting supporting information. Most PS3 owners, it seems, have used their system to watch HD movies. Some full 80 percent plan to buy further HD titles in the future. This is further support for the VideoScan sales figures we discussed last week.
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Wii Outsells PS3, Blue-ray Outsells HD DVD

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  • Wow? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by realilskater (76030) on Tuesday February 06, 2007 @01:06PM (#17907652)
    Is it really surprising that something that costs less than half the price of a PS3 and offers a completely new style of game play is selling more units?
  • Some old slashdot post said it was illegal. Is there any truth to this?
    • by Aladrin (926209) on Tuesday February 06, 2007 @01:26PM (#17907948)
      http://www.gamefly.com/member/ [gamefly.com]

      GameFly thinks it's legal. I'm guessing their legal department made sure of it, first.
    • by Prien715 (251944)
      Renting games (for any console) is illegal in Japan, so you may have just misread the country.
      • by tepples (727027)

        Renting games (for any console) is illegal in Japan

        Are the return policies any better in Japan? For the players who are unlucky enough to buy titles that have a show-stopper problem that reveals itself in 5 hours, does it really cost the equivalent of $10 per hour to play games? Why do the nationals of Japan find this fair?

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by cxreg (44671)
      Some old slashdot post said it was illegal. Is there any truth to this?

      That's not even remotely true. Some old Zonk (read: FUD) post referred to a patent application by Sony which could be construed to mean that they were thinking about implementing copy protection measures which would prevent re-sale and renting, but no such claim was ever made in actuality.

      PS3 games can be played on any PS3, any number of times. They're even further in the "right direction" than I'd have guessed; you can download purcha
  • It makes sense (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Sciros (986030) on Tuesday February 06, 2007 @01:09PM (#17907700) Journal
    Given that there are no games to play on the PS3, it makes complete sense that people would be watching movies on it instead. There really has been nothing to push HD-DVD that much so I'm not surprised that Blu-Ray is winning in terms of sales. However, that may change as soon as less-expensive players are released that have more functionality, etc.

    In any case, those sales numbers are probably too small right now to bring them any significant returns. I'd wait a year or two before considering whether Sony made a mistake with Blu-Ray or not.
    • See: PSP and UMD.
    • by CastrTroy (595695)

      n any case, those sales numbers are probably too small right now to bring them any significant returns. I see articles every week saying BluRay is outselling HDDVD, or the other way around, they say that 80% of sales were BluRay, but they don't make any announcements about how many sales there were. I would like to know how many people are actually buying these discs, and I don't want units shipped. I would really like to know the number of people interested in BluRay/HDDVD. As it stands right now, I know

  • Just like DVD, most people's first DVD player was a PS2. I was not one of them, I had a standalone DVD player a long time before the PS2 came out and found myself quite disappointed with the DVD playback of the PS2 in terms of quality and usability/controllability. I will not be buying a PS3 anytime soon and do not have a HDTV to see the difference even if I did get one so I would not be buying BlueRay movies. I think that more than anything, this is curiosity since they have the console and have the cap
    • by sirwired (27582) on Tuesday February 06, 2007 @01:42PM (#17908222)
      Just like DVD, most people's first DVD player was a PS2.

      Where on earth did you come up with THAT? The PS2 was a good-selling console, but it didn't sell THAT well. According to the SanJose Mercury News, lifetime sales for the PS2 in the U.S., as of the end of 2006, was 37.1 million. According to Nielsen, DVD currently has 80% market penetration, and there are approx. 113M U.S. households. (according to the Census), meaning that 90.4M U.S. households have a DVD player. An unknown number of those may have purchased a PS2 AFTER they bought a DVD player. (That was the case in my house.)

      Maybe for the households that bought a PS2, it is possible (but not certain) that "most" of them had it as their first player, but that does not translate to the U.S. market overall.

      SirWired
    • by Steve525 (236741)
      Just like DVD, most people's first DVD player was a PS2.

      There were certainly many people for which this was true, but I wouldn't go as far as to say it was true for most people. Perhaps a more accurate statement would be that many of the people who bought the first PS2s used it also as their first DVD player, particularly in Japan where it came out earlier (and had fewer games). By the time you could easily get a PS2 (ie. after the 2000 Christmas season in the states) DVD players were already pretty commo
    • by ivan256 (17499)
      This is a common misconception.

      I bought a PS2 on release day. I got my DVD player for less than $100 months before the PS2 was even available. The DVD capability drove PS2 sales, not the other way around. When we look back on this year in the future, we'll see that the same ends up being true for the PS3 and BluRay (assuming BluRay doesn't flop).

      BluRay, HD-DVD players, and combo players will be under $200 for Christmas 2007.
  • by HappySqurriel (1010623) on Tuesday February 06, 2007 @01:11PM (#17907724)
    Obviously Blu-Ray has started to sell well after 1,000,000+ Blu-Ray enabled PS3 units ... The question I have is if Blu-Ray will continue to sell well over the next few months ...

    I really don't know, but I suspect that a lot of people who bought a PS3 to play games might have bought 1 or 2 Blu-Ray movies simply because they wanted to try the drive out; being that there are few places that currently rent Blu-Ray/HD-DVD movies buying them is the only option for a lot of people. In contrast, I suspect that anyone who has bought any HD-DVD player is likely a movie collector and will buy 1-2 movies every week (or two) for the next couple of years. The question is how big of an impact 1 PS3 will make towards sales as compared to one stand alone HD-DVD player.
    • Yeah, cause those 1M+ suckers got their PS3 cause of the games. Har, Har, Har.
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by KDR_11k (778916)
        They probably got it for the games they expected the system to accumulate. Many people seem to think that games that were exclusive to the PS2 will automatically have their sequels exclusive to the PS3.
        • by Babbster (107076)
          And if enough people get suckered into buy the PS3 over the 360 on that basis, then it could be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Hopefully, that doesn't happen and many of the titles currently announced as PS3 exclusives start migrating to the multi-platform method.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by drinkypoo (153816)

      Obviously Blu-Ray has started to sell well after 1,000,000+ Blu-Ray enabled PS3 units ... The question I have is if Blu-Ray will continue to sell well over the next few months ...

      The first 400,000 PS3 units came with a coupon for a free movie (ricky bobby.) The FA even alludes to this fact:

      "This high percentage is likely helped by the bundled Talladega Nights Blu-ray disc with the first 500,000 units of PlayStation 3. But even apart from that, 80 percent of those surveyed plan to purchase further Blu-ra

      • by miyako (632510)
        If this data is comming from a survey I took a while ago which had similar questions, it was a web survey that gets emailed to you when you create a playstation network account with the PS3.
      • by Aladrin (926209)
        The other poster is correct, the HTML spec says the q tag will 'render with delimiting quotation marks'. You might as well just type them.

        Or... You could use Slashdot's quote tag. It cleverly tells you about it below the submit button on every reply page.
      • why can't slashdot let us have like any sane site? HTML has these tags for a reason.

        And that reason is that the HTML spec developers thought that document authors would want to give more than half a second's consideration to the semantic structure of a document as it was being authored. Sadly, the WYSIWYG paradigm had already taken root, and authors found it easier to use the same vanilla quote marks they'd been typing in word processors for fifteen years than to learn about and use inline "q" tags.
      • The first 400,000 PS3 units came with a coupon for a free movie (ricky bobby.) The FA even alludes to this fact:

        The HD DVD for the Xbox had a similiar pack in for a movie.
    • by Mercano (826132)
      Netflix has BluRay and HDDVD discs.
    • by Trogre (513942)
      After seeing Blu-Ray vs DVD side-by-side on good quality TVs there is no doubt that I would be buying Blu-Ray titles over DVD without flinching if I didn't know or care about DRM.

  • Apparently being a loss leader for the PS3 software format isn't working out. I wonder if people who are into Blu-Ray buy enough movies to make a PS3 a good loss leader for that. Maybe Sony needs to make a $450 Blu-Ray player that they lose money on, but not as much as they lose on the PS3. (Or one that breaks even for them.)
  • by SuperKendall (25149) on Tuesday February 06, 2007 @01:18PM (#17907810)
    Yes there are units in stores now.

    However, PS3 sales are still somewhat lower than they could be, as evidenced by the lack of shipping units on Amazon. Any time Amazon gets a number of them to sell, sales surge - in-between that, third-party sellers list units for about $100 more.

    That said even if there were wide availability of the console the Wii would probably outsell it just because it's a lot cheaper. An interesting place to keep track is here [eproductwars.com] (look at core system sales lower in the page), though as noted the figures are a little unrealistic because they are based on Amazon sales.

    • by Lehk228 (705449) on Tuesday February 06, 2007 @01:26PM (#17907950) Journal
      bullshit, the PS3 is sitting on store shelves, anyone who wants one can get one at MSRP
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by CastrTroy (595695)
        They currently have 11 units online at futureshop [futureshop.ca]. I've been watching it for the past couple weeks, and sometimes they are sold out, but it's not hard to get one if you check a couple times a day.
        • by ArtDent (83554)
          Interestingly, in the 50 minutes since you pointed this out, they've sold 2 units.

          When I bought my Wii from Future Shop (using Wii Finder Canada & Check4Change, as described here [slashdot.org], they sold out of 100 units in just under 2 minutes.

          I think that's a pretty meaningful comparison of demand, right there.
          • I am not saying the Wii is not in higher demand - from all appearances that is certainly true.

            What I am saying is that sales figures for the PS3 (and the Wii) are constrained artificially by lack of consistent supply. I myself walked into Target the other day and saw two PS3's. They were not there the day after... the simple fact is that you can't draw any real conclusions from either sales figures compared to devices that are more consistently in stock and available for purchase at any time in any locati
    • by FleaPlus (6935)
      However, PS3 sales are still somewhat lower than they could be, as evidenced by the lack of shipping units on Amazon. Any time Amazon gets a number of them to sell, sales surge - in-between that, third-party sellers list units for about $100 more.

      It might be in short supply on amazon, but there's still other online stores who carry it at retail price:

      http://ps3finder.com/ [ps3finder.com]

      At the moment, you can by the retail box at Gamestop.com and circuitcity.com, and bundles at several other stores.
      • At the moment, you can by the retail box at Gamestop.com and circuitcity.com, and bundles at several other stores.

        At Gamestop it takes up to 72 hours to process an order, instead of the 24 other products take.

        www.circuitcity.com says it is "out of stock online"

        As noted, Amazon will not even sell you one directly yet, only sporadically when they get shipments and at those time PS3 sales spike.

        The PS3 obviously has some lingering supply issues, despite wider availability than it used to have. It's not as sim
    • by scot4875 (542869)
      However, PS3 sales are still somewhat lower than they could be

      And this is different than the Wii's short supply ... how, exactly?

      --Jeremy
      • It's not any different. I was just noting the PS3 sales figures were affected so; I did not mean to imply through omission the Wii figures were any different. Both sales are clouded behind a mist of low supply, though it's pretty obvious that right now the Wii is in higher demand in terms of pure numbers of units.

        Basically it's saying that right now, you cannot really gauge either PS3 or Wii sales against the 360 which does have a stable supply.
  • Bluray? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by MoFoQ (584566) on Tuesday February 06, 2007 @01:20PM (#17907842)
    I'm skeptical about those Blu-ray stats...just like the numbers that the MPAA cited for Canadian piracy (see /. post for Michael Geist from a few days ago).

    Plus PS3 has that blinking issue...maybe good for "3D" movies (ref to old vid cards that came with "special" LCD glasses).
    • by Thraxen (455388)
      That "blinking issue" only affected small number of TVs. I own a PS3 and have never seen it. I also haven't bought any BR movies, but I have rented several via NetFlix.
      • by MoFoQ (584566)
        I don't own a PS3 but I do have a TV that is affected by it (someone brought a PS3 to the lanparty....it blinked plus couldn't play DDR so it went back into it's box...and we Wii'ed for hours.)
    • Plus PS3 has that blinking issue...maybe good for "3D" movies (ref to old vid cards that came with "special" LCD glasses).

      The blinking issue that only people with 1080p televisions using HDMI have? Right, well apparently the problem is really HDCP handshaking [xbox-scene.com] and not the PS3 or the TV necessarily, and how does your 360 look with HDMI? Oh right, it doesn't have that yet. I bet you can buy a $200 add-on for it though, or just a whole new console [engadget.com] in 6 months. But believe the hype, the $400 360 has so much
      • by Thraxen (455388)
        Actually, my 360 running at 1080p via component has picture quality that is just as good as my PS3 running at 1080p via HDMI. Imagine that.
  • Apples and Oranges (Score:5, Insightful)

    by baptiste (256004) <<su.etsitpab> <ta> <ekim>> on Tuesday February 06, 2007 @01:24PM (#17907922) Homepage Journal
    While they are both game consoles, there is a big price differential between a Wii and a PS3. It makes sense that the Wii would sell more units. While it has a nifty controller, power wise it's on par with the PS2 which sold like gangbusters this past holiday season. Compare it to those numbers for a telling look.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by cowscows (103644)
      If the Wii and the PS3 are not a valid comparison, I don't see how the PS2 and Wii is any better. One is many years into its lifespan and has hundreds of games available. The other is just a couple months old and is selling faster than they can be manufactured. One has a tried and true tradition control scheme, the other has a new and very different control mechanism that nobody's familiar with. While the Wii certainly does not try to be the number crunching powerhouse that the PS3 is aiming for, saying tha
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by antifood (898331)
      Power wise it is much better than a PS2. However, you will not notice this fact going off the PS2 ports Ubisoft is shoveling onto the Wii.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Knuckles (8964)
      power wise it's on par with the PS2

      Dude, by now everybody knows that the PS2 had the worst hardware of last gen. Even Gamecube was better and Wii is twice as powerful as that.
  • Opinion (Score:2, Interesting)

    by 4g1vn (840279)
    I believe that the Wii, PS3, and 360 all have their respctive places in the video game industry. Wii: Great for a different experience, easy for eveyone to pick up and play, awesome for it's Virtual Console (my favorite part). PS3: Blu-ray player is a bargin, HDMI out, cheap downloadable games. 360: Decent libary, XBOX live is a great social sceen, quality controllers. BTW, I have the PS3 and Wii and love them both.
  • Does anyone really think that Sony would claim anything else? The article itself says that "this high percentage is likely helped by the bundled Talladega Nights Blu-ray disc with the first 500,000 units of PlayStation 3." I understand that the study itself is not from Sony, but from Nielsen VideoScan. Still, it's way too early to declare anything close to a winner, considering how many people actually own the proper displays (particularly in the US, but I bet the Super Bowl made a big impact on HDTV sal
  • My local Best Buy store has PS3s sitting on its shelf, and has had them in stock for some time now. On the other hand, there are people camping outside of the store every day now hoping that they will get Wiis in stock on that day... Some of these mornings we've had wind chill factors of -5 F or lower. I may be giving people in my area the benefit of the doubt in this, but I don't think this has to do with the console being cheaper; this behavior is not a symptom of being 'cheap' as far as I know.
    • by ivan256 (17499)
      Give it up. Just because you saw some PS3s on the shelf one time doesn't mean anything.

      The fact of the matter is that you're still more likely *not* to see a PS3 on the shelf than you are to see one available. You can find as many pictures of people playing in a pile of empty boxes as you'd like and it won't change it. When you can buy one online at any hour of the day without buying a bundle, then they'll be readily available.

      Also, the stores in your area suck ass if they make people wait out in the cold i
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by 0rbit4l (669001)
        PS3s are available now, online, from Circuit City [circuitcity.com]

        Also, you're too quick to dismiss the people-waiting-for-Wiis phenomenon. I talked to a Nintendo rep today at Gamestop. He claimed that places like Target and Wal-Mart are routinely receiving Wiis during the week and are holding them for weekend sales to coincide with their Sunday advertising circulars. He suggested that if you want a Wii, go wait outside one of these stores on a Sunday morning. The Target manager said the same thing. You can complain

    • I just saw 2 Wii sitting on the shelf at my BestBuy. This was this evening, so obviously nobody camped out there this morning. I think the supply is matching the demand where I live.

      Here is the BestBuy, if you live in the MD/DC area.
      http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=cat1209 1&type=page&allstores=no&mode=fromResult&storeId=2 65 [bestbuy.com]
  • by the computer guy nex (916959) on Tuesday February 06, 2007 @01:47PM (#17908318)
    .. that PS3's come with vouchers for discounts on Blu-Ray movies. A surge in sales is no suprise.

    What is left to be seen is if Blu-Ray can hold onto the market of gamers just "giving HD movies a try."
    • It's worth noting as well that Toshiba HD-DVD players come with a voucher for 3 free movies and the XBOX-360 HD-DVD add-on bundles the King-Kong movie...
  • People are buying PS3-s. More PS3-s than HD-DVD players. Because it's a Playstation.

    It makes sense for their investment (they can't choose, as with XBOX360), they'll buy at least one BR movie to try out "what it's about".

    But once the novelty wears off, one thing remains absolute: BR movies have worse DRM and way worse prices than plain DVDs, and only a little benefit in value (namely, higher resolution).

    I'm not trying to spin this as if Sony's success with Blu-Ray is fake, as there isn't any real reason for
    • But once the novelty wears off, one thing remains absolute: BR movies have worse DRM and way worse prices than plain DVDs, and only a little benefit in value (namely, higher resolution).

      Look at this from the standpoint of 90% of the market.

      WHat do they do with a DVD? They take the disc, and put it in a player.

      What do they do with HD-DVD/Blu-Ray? They take the disc, they put it in a player.

      You forget that normal CD's have pretty onerous DRM as well. But it's accepted because most people never see the limit
  • Dead cat bounce (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Generic Guy (678542) on Tuesday February 06, 2007 @01:58PM (#17908528)

    Even a dead cat will bounce once on its way down.

    The common perception about the VideoScan numbers is that a lot of PS3 owners used their "free Blu-ray movie" coupon, boosting 'sales' after Christmas. Especially since there doesn't seem to be anything else available worth doing on the PS3 device right now. This is in addition to a rather dry HD-DVD lineup in January. Let's remember, the first two weeks in January after Christmas doesn't necessarily set a trend.

    The VideoScan numbers for the third week in January, not reported in the article, already show Blu-Ray slumping down again, compared to HD-DVD.

    All this sounds vaguely similar to the narrowly-defined "Zune leads 30GB music player market in first two days of sales" reports we saw a few weeks ago. Much ado about nothing.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Thraxen (455388)
      But the comparison to the Zune isn't exactly sound. Zune is the system, BR movies are the software. I'm sure the surge at the start of January is due largely to the coupons, but there's no reason to believe that many of these people won't pick up BR movies in the future. The fact that the coupons alone were able to propel BR past HD-DVD in total sales is rather telling of the fact that HD-DVD is hardly leaving BR in the dust... not even close. At one point I was pretty certain HD-DVD would win out, but
    • Trend, not a bounce (Score:3, Informative)

      by SuperKendall (25149)
      Take a look at the longer term trends [eproductwars.com] - Blu-Ray is not catching up through any bounce, but from real and steady growth in movies and in players.

      These are numbers that show Blu-Ray consistently on top, for almost a month now - and continuing to grow. Don't forget the coupon still required you to spend money, it was not a "free" movie - and anyone even using that coupon is likley to buy more titles as well since they have it rigged up to play movies.

      The only people who really know how well either format are
    • The reason: it offers significantly more storage capacity.

      I am not interested in HD video, but I do hope that DVD-R/+R is replaced soon by a format with more capacity. From that point of view, HD-DVD just doesn't offer enough improvement.

      The format that "wins" the video market will get cheaper media in the long run, and for all computer users it is thus to be hoped that the format with the most capacity wins.

  • * Most PS3 owners have used the system to watch Blueray movies.

    I hope so, especially seeing that the US PS3 came with a free copy of Talladega Nights.

    * 80% of PS3 owners plan on buying/watching Blueray dvd's in the future.

    No duh? I hate to sound sarcastic here, but what's the sense in buying a $600 piece of hardware if you don't plan on using all the features. Everybody watches DVDs these days. I imagine if I had a BlueRay DVD player sitting there, I'd plan on buying/watching at bare minimum my FAVORITE
    • 80% of PS3 owners plan on buying/watching Blueray dvd's in the future

      That still seems low. If the player's already there, why wouldn't you want to pick up a at least few Blu-Ray disks? Even as a novelty.

      the US PS3 came with a free copy of Talladega Nights.

      Ah, that explains it.

      • by Thraxen (455388)
        If you don't have an HDTV there really is no benefit to buying BR over DVD. Well, unless you have an audio system capable of 5.1 or 7.1 PCM audio, but those people likely do have HDTVs. Anyway, if anything, I'm a bit surprised that the number is that high... it's definitely not too low.

        And, for the record, not every US PS3 came with Talladega Nights. Mine didn't. Unless I just got ripped off.
        • by ProppaT (557551)
          Possibly it was just the initial wave of PS3's or only the 60gb models. The movie was included in the box with my friends launch day PS3.
        • by Reapman (740286)
          The benefit is if you do buy an HDTV in the future, you'll have a movie that will make it (somewhat) worth buying. as apposed to buying it then.. why buy it on DVD when you can buy it (and watch it currently) on BluRay/HD-DVD, and be somewhat more future proof (or so goes the saying, if Blu Ray or HD-DVD dies then you can at least still watch them on your player, until it dies too)
        • by trdrstv (986999)
          If you don't have an HDTV there really is no benefit to buying BR over DVD.

          Then why would these people be early adopters of the PS3? I do agree with your statement however, and I'll go you one further.

          "If you don't have an HDTV there really is no benefit (Graphically) to buying a PS3 (or a 360) over an Original X-Box."

          Try it sometime. Take a game like Call of Duty 3 (which is on pretty much everything) and run it on a PS3 in 480i with the low-def composite cables it came with. Now run the Call of Du

          • by Thraxen (455388)
            I haven't tried that, but I would imagine the difference in polys alone would still be noticeable. DVD vs BR movies pretty much are just a difference in resolution when it comes to video display. Games are different. The difference in polys, textures, lighting, etc.. should all still be apparent to a degree even at lower resolutions. On the flip side is true as well... look at a game like Halo 2 that gets scaled up to 720p on the 360. Sure, it looks a bit nicer scaled up, but it doesn't look any where
            • by trdrstv (986999)
              I haven't tried that, but I would imagine the difference in polys alone would still be noticeable.

              It just isn't. If you have the capability of using a PS3 or a 360 on a 480i system, try it.

              The difference in polys, textures, lighting, etc.. should all still be apparent to a degree even at lower resolutions.

              They get blurred and obscured. Progressive scan can clean up a lot of that, but we're talking 480i SD-TV and and the truth of the matter is the extra detail is lost.

  • Hype Train (Score:2, Insightful)

    Ive posted some bias comments about the Nintendo Wii on Slashdot and Joystiq. Heres my chance to redeem myself. When a new technology comes out there is one thing that will help it stay and its called "Mass Appeal". The new technology has to find a way to reach the masses and be the next long lasting technological trend (such as vhs,dvd,mp3,joysticks). The Wii comes off to the general public as a family party game or something to help them exercise. Hardcore gamers are very different from the casual gamer.
    • There is insight here.

      The question for the Wii is, "Is it hype or is it substance?"

      It's the same question that was posed to the DS, and the answer was the latter. That is, however, no guarantee the same is true for the Wii.

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