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Metallica Guitar Hero Release Has Higher Quality Than CDs 102

Last week Metallica released a new album, Death Magnetic, on traditional CDs as well as downloadable content for Guitar Hero III. Fans quickly noticed that the sound quality on the CD version was noticeably below-par, thanks to the recording studio's decision to sacrifice range for loudness. However, the tracks released for Guitar Hero III made no such sacrifice, as proved by Mastering Engineer Ian Shepherd. NME found an audio clip comparing the two tracks. This comes alongside statements from Activision claiming that Aerosmith's recent venture into Guitar Hero is generating more success for the band than their actual albums.
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Metallica Guitar Hero Release Has Higher Quality Than CDs

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  • Re:Well... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Ethanol-fueled ( 1125189 ) * on Friday September 19, 2008 @09:10PM (#25081055) Homepage Journal

    "...studio's decision to sacrifice range for loudness."

    That's retarded. Loudness is no good if it sounds like it's coming out of a tinny radio, which is what too much compression and limiting [harmony-central.com] can do. They apparently did such a poor job of it that the Cd signal was clipped! They certainly forgot what good "metal" is supposed to sound like.

    Knowing Metallica, they probably cranked out a half-ass 10-minute session in the studio and had their "mastering" engineeer Pro-Tool the hell out of it, cut-and-paste style. Then they laughed, high-fived each other over beers, coke, and their solid gold Ferraris as they continue to be out of touch with reality.

    And yes, in case you all were wondering, their new album most certainly does SUCK. Listening to Metallica is like having banged the prom queen in high school only to see her become a queen of the 300-pound welfare sort :(

  • by sleigher ( 961421 ) on Friday September 19, 2008 @09:59PM (#25081391)
    I was in a band and engineered many of our records. One of the things we do is compare our recordings to those of other bands on spectrum analyzers and such tools to see how levels and frequency ranges compare. WAY too often we put in other bands records and they are off the top and are clipping all over the place. The problem is that the industry sets a sort of standard for loudness and you kinda have to follow or your record sounds quiet. When it comes to metal you really have to be loud because of the whole in your face obnoxious aspect of the music. It sucks because those who are sensitive and can hear this hate it.
  • by Cow Jones ( 615566 ) on Friday September 19, 2008 @10:21PM (#25081571)

    This is such a sad topic. On the one hand, I think that there's nothing wrong at all with raising the average volume of an album when you're remastering. The early CD releases were often lacking in volume, because the mastering engineers were doing the exact opposite of what they're forced do these days. Back then, a single very loud snare hit would automatically lower the maximum volume of the whole album, because the engineers didn't want to introduce artificial compression. That's the reason why old CDs sound a little muted. Thank god, that changed, and they soon started to use moderate compression by default when mastering to CD.

    But what we have today is just bizarre. Nobody can tell me with a straight face that the newest Red Hot Chili Peppers CDs sound good (ignoring the music here). There's more clipping than music on those discs. I really *really* hope they're keeping all those original recordings safe, because there *will* come a time when quality will trump loudness again. Maybe we'll even get lucky soon, and Replay Gain will go mainstream. Here's hoping...

  • by Mprx ( 82435 ) on Friday September 19, 2008 @10:26PM (#25081593)
    Yet people recorded metal in the 80s with high dynamic range and it sounded perfectly "heavy". The loudness war has ruined most modern music for me, and even older music is being destroyed in remastered versions. Untrained listeners might prefer the compressed sound at first, but it's tiring to listen to for more than a few minutes. This is especially true as you get older. If you're concerned with standards, there's a new standard in planning at http://www.turnmeup.org/ [turnmeup.org] . In the case of less mainstream music your fans will likely be more knowledgeable, and understand it sounds better if they turn it up themselves. Higher dynamic range could make you more popular and help you stand out from your overcompressed competitors.
  • by NereusRen ( 811533 ) on Saturday September 20, 2008 @01:34AM (#25082711)

    I was chatting with a Harmonix rep at their booth at PAX. He mentioned that the Paramore song is really compressed/limited on the CD (in the sense of lack of dynamic range). No surprise there. I asked him whether that affected their game at all, and he said that since they got access to the master tracks and mixed it themselves, not really. I'd expect the same is true of almost any Rock Band or Guitar Hero track.

    That was great to hear, because the loudness war [youtube.com] sucks. There have been a number of albums that I would have liked listening to, but can't stand because of the loudness war. They sound the same all the way through, and the drummer sounds like he's playing in the other room while everyone else is standing too close to the mics. A drum hit, during the brief moment it happens, should be much louder than the rest of the band! Instruments shouldn't get quieter when other instruments start playing! Blech.

    Interestingly, I was listening to the Rock Band 2 setlist to get to know the songs I'd never heard (downloaded mp3s), and one song in particular stood out as being very well mixed with great dynamic range. I don't really like the music of Modest Mouse, but it was definitely a pleasure to listen to Float On just for that. They earned a bit of respect from me that day :).

  • by Jeff DeMaagd ( 2015 ) on Saturday September 20, 2008 @04:15AM (#25083299) Homepage Journal

    I've seen people explain that the real reason why SACD and DVD-Audio sounded better than CD is not much about the higher sample rate and bit depth, but because they don't use dynamic range compression on the SACD or DVD-Audio.

    I think there have been recording standards all along, the problem is that no one abides by them. I think one standard is to record standard dialogue at -12dB of max.

  • Re:Well... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by unfunk ( 804468 ) on Saturday September 20, 2008 @04:23AM (#25083319) Journal
    Actually, yes. Load and Reload are a pair of excellent albums.. just because they're not balls-out thrash metal doesn't automatically disqualify them from any quality races.

    As I've said many times (just not here..), if any other band had released those two albums, they would have been hailed as musical geniuses.

    St. Anger, on the other hand... no thanks, I burned my CD of that (literally) and purged the hard drive the MP3s were stored on.

    ...and for what it's worth, I think Death Magnetic is a pretty good album (aside from the name), and The Unforgiven III is one of the best songs Metallica has ever written... it's just a shame they decided to give it such an awful name.
  • Well Said. (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Grog6 ( 85859 ) on Saturday September 20, 2008 @11:38AM (#25085201)

    These asshats only get my pity...

    1. Fire your main talent. (Dave Mustane)

    2. Use the cheapest transport company, drive insane hours, and kill a popular bassist off.

    3. Alienate your fans by being corporate suits instead of the hard-core guys you image portrays.

    4. Put out a series of albums that confirm how much you've lost it, and can't write music anymore. These albums were only bought by fanboys, afaik.

    Somewhere, there should be a 'Profit' step; I'm not seeing it from here...

  • by Tacvek ( 948259 ) on Saturday September 20, 2008 @05:28PM (#25087795) Journal

    My question is why do we only have one volume knob on most devices?
    We always should have had a volume knob, and a compression knob. The common folk would quickly learn that the volume knob does what you think it does, but the compression knob brings the softest sounds closer in volume to the loudest, when you dial it up. It is not too hard for the average person to figure out.

  • Re:Concerts (Score:2, Interesting)

    by EotB ( 964562 ) on Saturday September 20, 2008 @10:24PM (#25089713)
    That is very much dependent on the particular band. A local NZ band, Blindspott, was always incredibly good live, very similar sound to their CDs (which are also very nicely mastered). Most recently I went to an Iron Maiden concert in Brisbane and it was fantastic. Their playing was spot on and sounded perfect. That said I've also been to a bunch that sounded terrible...

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