PS3 With 3.50 Firmware Jailbroken Without Downgrade 195
Khyber writes "Hackers: 2 Sony: 0 — that's the current standing score now that the X3 team have successfully performed a jailbreak on the official 3.50 PS3 firmware, allowing homebrew applications and more to be enabled. Here's a video of the jailbreak in action."
2:40 minues of my life I'll never have back again (Score:5, Informative)
This video is terrible. Don't bother.
Re:2:40 minues of my life I'll never have back aga (Score:4, Interesting)
It is pretty silly that he spends most of it wandering the menus for seemingly no reason. Could have easily shown everything that needed to be shown in like 30 seconds.
Re:2:40 minues of my life I'll never have back aga (Score:5, Funny)
So what does Sony break next? (Score:4, Interesting)
So I guess the real question now is what PS3 functionality Sony is going to cripple in the next forced upgrade to try to defeat this.
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So I guess the real question now is what PS3 functionality Sony is going to cripple in the next forced upgrade to try to defeat this.
Maybe they'll remove Home, Netflix support, Playstation Plus, PS Move, 3D BluRay, 3D Game support, Photo printing, Hulu support, MLB network, trophies, in-game XMB, facebook integration, recording in-game movies, uploading movies to youtube.
Oh wait, no, that's all stuff they've added. For free.
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Troll? Someone modded this comment as troll?
Sorry, Sony fans, I don't think pointing out the unpleasant truth of what Sony does every time there's a PS3 security breach (force an upgrade that makes your PS3s worse) is really a troll, unless you think the reality is so unpleasant you just can't internalize it without dying.
I own one. My Day one 60GB PS3 is far more functional than any you can buy now.
Re:So what does Sony break next? (Score:5, Insightful)
If I tell somebody that I'm going to smack them if they don't stop whistling, and they continue to whistle, who is the person at fault?
Scary analogy. Have you ever uttered the phrase "Why you make me hit you, baby?"
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Scary analogy. Have you ever uttered the phrase "Why you make me hit you, baby?"
It's interesting to see both sides using this argument while accusing the other side of the same thing:
You made me remove OtherOS because you hacked the console!
You made us hack the console because you removed OtherOS!
You can choose one for your "side", or you can tell the other "side" they can't use theirs. But no, you can't have it both ways. Not yours.
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O.o Well they didn't care when we ran emulators, or homebrew. It was when we had one guy bragging about copying $60 games and playing them (In a way that was easy for everyone else to do with a simple burned CD) that they got concerned. Am I supposed to pretend that he DIDN'T brag specifically about stealing the games, which is how console makers make up the loss in hardware cost
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The fact is Sony doesn't make money selling their hardware (they might make a bit now, but not enough to make up for their previous losses). They make money licensing and selling games.
Even with that, I think it's pretty obvious they had no problem with Linux and homebrew development, since they supported Linux on the PS3 for quite a while. It was only once pirates took advantage of it that they decided they had to lock it down. I guarantee you, if no one was copying and selling pirated games, this would
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praying that they'll make money in the long run so long as they use the law and regulations (A non-free market situation) to protect their locked down device.
Did you RTFA? It wasn't about regulations, it was about (failed) engineering attempts to lock it down. Capitalism, and all that... they have been trying to solve their problem themselves.
As you said, normal users notice no difference. And to the hackers... to quote Airplane (RIP, Leslie!): "They bought their tickets, they knew what they were gettin
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Yeah, that I totally agree with - removing a feature that *was* officially supported doesn't even seem legal. I guess they probably made users accept an indecipherable EULA that covered their ass that let them do it...
OH dear! (Score:2, Redundant)
What essential function are Sony going to remove from the PS3 this time then?
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In a cost saving exercise Sony noticed that controllers had more buttons than needed. New controllers will only feature one directional button. To use it press the button and point the controller in the direction you want to move.
4 years (Score:4, Funny)
Re:4 years (Score:4, Insightful)
no one was really trying that hard for 3.5 of those 4 years, until they started removing features "just because"
sony's other current gen console has been gang rapped so many times they even removed the disc drive
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no one was really trying that hard for 3.5 of those 4 years, until they started removing features "just because"
sony's other current gen console has been gang rapped so many times they even removed the disc drive
So what features did they remove from the PSP in order to cause people to gang rap it in the first place?
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so in answer to your question the feature that sony removed from the psp was quality software
Chicken, meet egg. It was cracked so no one bought games so no one made games so it was cracked so no one bought games so no one made games.
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So why was the DS cracked?
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I'm really just trying to understand all this. You've been very helpful so far, but there are a few other systems I'm not clear on with all this.
Re:4 years (Score:5, Insightful)
well the developing world is not buying 600$ consoles are they? (which is what it cost up till last year)
GPU Access? (Score:2)
So does this jailbreak actually let Linux installed as OtherOS run apps that can call the RSX and read/write the RSX RAM?
Jailbreakable on a PS3 with firmware v2.2 or v2.41?
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No but another poster here posted a link that showed another option that allows RSX access and access to the locked-down reserve SPE.
Not confirmed (Score:5, Interesting)
This is largely unconfirmed and most likely fake - and I'll tell you why.
Check out the very end of the video, the "game" exits and a message is displayed in the top right corner. See that message? Retail consoles don't display that, but Debug/TEST consoles do. Any Debug unit can be upgraded to debug Firmware 3.50 and play all the homebrew out there.
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Technically, that's what the "jailbreak" actually does, but the retail firmware is different to the debug firmware. This is why you can "enable" a bunch of debug options in the VSH but they still don't work.
If the video is legitimate, the more likely scenario is that they've found a way to install the 3.5 debug firmware itself, rather than "jailbreak" anything. But if this was the case, the dongle probably wouldn't be needed (unless you need to "jailbreak" the retail PS3 to make it accept the debug firmware
Re:Not confirmed (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm also suspicious of when he's scrolling through the system settings, and then raises the controller up in front of the camera. When he pulls the controller away, he's now in a different location. Anyone who uses debug/test stations knows there's several system settings in there that don't exist on retail units. It's almost like he's covering it up while he passes them.
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[citation needed]
Pick any 5 year old at random (Score:3)
out of a luddite village, hand them a 5 year old cell phone that can take video and they'll make a better video than that crap in 7.3 seconds.
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"better" not "the same".
Hahaha this reminds me of a comment earlier (Score:2)
one of you said "as long as razor1911 has anything to say about it, we will have game demos'.
this hackers : 2 sony : 0 business seems exactly the same format.
Hackers 2, Sony 0 (Score:2)
Hackers 2, Sony 0
Sony is playing defense only. Of course they don't score any points. On the other hand, they've limited the Hackers team to two points in five years, which is pretty impressive actually.
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Sony never limited us, we just never gave a shit until they pissed us off.
Try more along the lines of 2:0 in under a year.
Damned Pirates!! (Score:2)
Better get the world governments after them and shut this down! Start the smear campaign and DNS theft.
I win (Score:4, Insightful)
Me 1, Sony 0
If you don't buy from a company, you automatically win.
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It is a shame that Linux is being used as an alibi because (even If I was also mad that they removed linux support) we shouldn't be hypocrites why these hacks in the first place exist... . It even doesn't matter if a Sony product does support linux as the mantra on slashdot is that it is not
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I just wonder if this hack actually works, I remember trying the other ones previously, and they did not work as advertised. Followed the steps precisely and nothing. Wasn't the only one either.
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I imagine you've probably also been replied to many times that not updating "removes" other functionality. I'm not a PS3 owner but I've heard this includes using the PSN, playing new games, potentially playing new Blu-Rays, and of course any advantages that come with software updates. At least two of those are very easy to justify as advertised features (Games & Blu-Ray).
So either you lose one feature or you lose (at least) one other. I think the GP's comment applies perfectly, Sony cannot escape the
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That does not change the fact you have to choose between the ability to play new games/access PSN and the ability to run Linux.
I'd love to play GT5, but it requires FW 3.50 and I'm not going to upgrade from 3.15 until I see how the jailbreak scene develops.
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That's exactly what they did on the PS2, and there was no good reason to believe that they would do anything different.
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No, that's not the case. On the PS2 X actually had limited hardware acceleration. It ran Enlightenment better than the PS3 did, I know because I actually did it. You could also code directly to the metal for full access to the GS.
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Seriously, Sony isn't any worse in this respect than Nintendo or MS is.
Yes they are. They fooled customers into thinking they would support an open source environment and would be an affordable route to get a Cell-based computer. Then after they have gotten people to buy into their lies, they pull that support. I'm pretty sure that has a term... Oh yeah, bait-and-switch.
Grounds for a Class Action Suit? (Score:2)
HI --
If you guys are in the U.S., shouldn't you be able to file a Class Action Suit [wisegeek.com]?
I mean, I too am one of those who embarked in that ship of fools, thinking I was surfing the wave of the future with my 8 Cell processors.
It'd be nice to see an international Class Action Suit (like those with breast implants, etc.)
Not to mention they ruined YellowDog's business.
I fucking hate Sony. You don't do that to customers.
And, BTW, look how they marketed the PS3...such a lame way. What they should have done was set
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Sony are arguably worse, because they initially offered this option and then later made you choose which of the consoles features you'd like to keep.
You used to be able to dual boot with linux *AND* play games, however if you keep linux then no modern games will run anymore.
MS/Nintendo never offered the ability to run linux as a feature, and they still offer all of the features they ever did.
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You used to be able to dual boot with linux *AND* play games
Yep, that was awesome. Though, as you know, the partition schemes allowed were annoying. You either had 10GB to GameOS and the rest to Linux, or 10GB to Linux (not really enough) and the rest to GameOS. Couldn't split it in half like I wanted.
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Re:ok .. You are an idiot (Score:2)
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I'm also kind of interested in the hacking of it.
Can someone explain to me exactly what 'homebrew' is all about? Are people out there independently generating games for the units or is this just code words for being able to play copied game
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Basically, once you have full access, you have the ability to do whatever you please on the machine.
From running copied games to running your own code or other peoples code.
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Homebrew is a number of things:
- Dosbox. Running classic old DOS games on other hardware is phenomenal.
- Third-party web browsers that do a better job than the "included" browser. Most Opera ports to "closed system" consoles count as homebrew.
- Alternate OS. Sony's "OtherOS" linux implementation was a locked down, powerless mess that didn't give proper access to the video system. With the advent of homebrew now, actual, full-access Linux can be loaded to perform far better. I look forward to the day when I
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Can someone explain to me exactly what 'homebrew' is all about? Are people out there independently generating games for the units or is this just code words for being able to play copied games? What all can you do with one of these units, a Wii or a PS3 that has been jailbroken. Anyone have any good links to what all this can do for you?
No good links, but plenty of experience. I have The Homebrew Channel installed on my Wii and I modded my Xbox. Both platforms have original homebrew games, but they are few. Both platforms have tons of emulators, allowing you to play classic games. And both platforms have media players that permit you to use your console as... uh, a media player. In fact, mplayer has been repeatedly ported to the Wii. On the Xbox it's Xbox Media Center, which is now a cross-platform Win/Mac/Lin software, and it's fantastic.
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Well, it certainly isn't developed for the Xbox any more, there's just one guy making backport releases. And if it's an acronym then it is forever Xbox Media Center until they change the acronym, I don't care what they say.
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Homebrew == non-approved software.
Hacking the console for homebrew means letting the system run code that hasn't been signed by Sony. Some of this code is 'backup managers' that run iso files from hard drive, yes. Other stuff is other games, emulators for older consoles and other systems, anything you like really. Linux has been re-enabled this way too, though as yet there's no graphics support IIRC.
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Their main goal is to allow you to do what you want on your wii, like play SNES, N64, NES, etc. games on your wii,
Nintendo would call that "piracy."
I still say the term "Jesusing" would be better. Think of the parable of the fish and the loaves: "copying" a rom is literally creating something from nothing. Piracy is an actual act which takes something away from someone else.
If we all just started calling it "Jesusing" instead, think of how much sympathy we'd get from the fundie christian types too!
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I like this idea. Someone should make a short video based on it that could be substituted for the anti-piracy ads when you "Jesus" a movie.
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Uh, the last Nintendo update bricked some Wiis with the last version of the HBC installed...
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The one before last got rid of the HBC. I have it back now but there's another update needs to be installed to use the Wii shop.
We should follow the example of Stephen Colbert (Score:5, Insightful)
Why the hell is it called jail breaking when applying these modifications? It should have nothing to do with jail, and you're certainly not breaking it. I say, hence forth, we call it 'freedom upgrading'.
Re:We should follow the example of Stephen Colbert (Score:4, Funny)
I prefer to call it a 'Consumer's Rights Rebalancing'.
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Because by default with these appliances, they treat you as an imprisoned criminal, restricting your freedom. The spin you're trying to put on it is already the basis of the original term.
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Why the hell is it called jail breaking when applying these modifications? It should have nothing to do with jail, and you're certainly not breaking it. I say, hence forth, we call it 'freedom upgrading'.
That is too cumbersome. How about simply "freeing"? Simple, tells the story, has a few too many vowels in the middle for some people to figure out, but you can't please everyone. Barring that (pun intended) I propose "unlocking" for all forms of "jailbreaking" because it's something the average person can understand, they're familiar with locks and keys. The device is locked and you want to be able to open it and fool around inside.
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Call it "free entertainment" and try to be the littlest bit honest.....LOL homebrew. LOL backups.
LOL at the army that has bought thousands of PS3s. [cnn.com]
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Yes, but they run Linux, and probably continue to do so. The removal of the OtherOS feature was an option, PS3s dedicated to running as a Linux cluster have no reason to contact the PS Network.
Re:We should follow the example of Stephen Colbert (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't care if it is 100% "free entertainment". It is, always has, and always will be about freedom, liberty, and their crucial components, privacy and anonymity.
The PS3 is merely one small battle. The poster that said "Consumer Rights Rebalancing" had it right. This is very much about consumer rights, however, it should be about a larger issue. Rights all Americans, and free human beings, should have in cyberspace. That war is being fought with people largely ignorant of the whole affair or how important it is.
Let's face it. It would be far easier if the situation were explained thusly:
Sony, for the consideration of $600, and service fees, offers the consumer a PS3 entertainment console. There will be a Sony representative physically in your home at all times. Sony will decide what games will function, and what will not, at Sony's direct discretion at all times. All media, All software, All content is the direct property of Sony and can be altered or withdrawn at any time. Any services or features that were present at the time of purchase are not guaranteed to be present in the future. Attempts to remove the Sony representative from your home, or distract him from his official duties, in any way, is against the law and you will be prosecuted to its full extent. Guilt before innocence will be assumed in all cases.
Now, if you were offered that deal, would you accept it? No? Then why is DRM and protection mechanisms designed to take away your ability to peacefully enjoy your property any more acceptable?
I will stipulate that 100% of PS3 owners will commit copyright infringement. It still does not justify that Sony representative being in your house and your inability to actually enjoy the rights of property ownership over property you actually paid for.
The ends do not justify the means here. That goes not just for Sony, but for every manufacturer and content distributor. Stay. The. Fuck. Out. Of. My. Home.
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I have absolutely no problems with Sony/Apple/Microsoft/Nintendo locking down their consoles, and I have no problems with hackers trying to break the lockdowns.
Consumers have rights but what we forget is that so do producers.
I think that the DMCA makes a certain amount of sense from a producer's standpoint and in the console hacking field, it's often not wielded like a cudgel against independent homebrew developers. Which is why when it turns out someone was arrested and raided for modding consoles
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Consumers have rights but what we forget is that so do producers.
Wrong.
Like I said, the ends do not justify the means. Everything you said is irrelevant and an exceedingly poor justification for the violation of our rights, whether or not it is true.
Consumers have rights, but the just what are the rights you are attempting to deliver to the producers?
1) They can be in our private homes. Know what content we are enjoying at any one time, by virtue of the fact, they need to authorize it first. Our ability to enjoy purchased content is truly at their discretion. They go
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Wrong
Producers don't have rights? No copyright no likeness rights, no rights at all? Are you SURE of that?
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Sure? I'm positive.
In the context of your post, you are NOT talking about copyrights, but OTHER rights you clearly are willing to grant them.
Copyrights are temporary rights granted to producers. Nowhere in copyright law does it grant the holder the rights you clearly feel comfortable with giving them.
DRM is particularly outside of the scope and intent of copyright law as it grants permanent copyrights (which is not what was intended and harmful to society). Additionally, the enforcement and implementatio
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They don't want a truly free market, because no one forces them to use DRM and yet they do it on their own. You can whine about "tyrannical" legislation, however you're blaming only part of the problem. I don't think companies like Sony were lobbying against the DMCA...
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Really? You think Sony won't sue you for breaching of the EULA you agreed to when you bought the console?
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This (quite logically) resulted in a free-for-all situation: consumer-unfriendly DRM (as we would say these days), e.g. games released on floppies which didn't work at all for 10-25% of legal customers because of dirty tricks use
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Yeah..... no.
Tin Foil is about a conspiracy. Usually, when you walk into your home and find all of it missing, it involves some dude talking about Aliens, copious amounts of alcohol, and an abused anus in hazily recollected experiences aboard "space craft".
I am just passionate about human rights and the Constitution, and what a truly free and advanced society needs to operate. I have not mentioned anything about V style reptilians in the government, crop circles, Area 51, or the triumvirate that was heade
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I broke my wii for homebrew. Guess what I did. I made a simple game for my daughter. It had nothing to do with "free entertainment".
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I made a simple game for my daughter. It had nothing to do with "free entertainment".
Au contraire, it has everything to do with free entertainment, since neither you nor your daughter have paid anything for that game, and (hopefully) it keeps her entertained!
And while I'm sure that some Nintendo executive choke about it, there's absolutely nothing wrong about that.
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I guess in the since I created it myself it was free. I was thinking "free entertainment" referred to pirated games, because of the use of quotes and LOL BACKUPS after it.
Re:ok .. (Score:5, Interesting)
It seems a bit much that it took this long for the first successful crack to appear and now they're coming out so quickly.
Re:ok .. (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.ps3-hacks.com/2010/10/19/asbestos-running-linux-as-gameos/ [ps3-hacks.com]
Yes.
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Wait a second, we've got RSX access?
WTF why isn't this the bigger story instead of mine? Screw my story!
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The more likely explanation is that it nobody was really trying very hard previously, but now that Sony has taken away a lot of the initial functionality from the PS3 there's a lot more interest in putting the options back that the device was sold based on.
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It's probably a combination of that and the fact that it's easier to find holes once you've already got one. People can now look at a hacked PS3 (with the lower firmware) and examine it for other holes. Then they can try those new holes on the latest firmware.
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cause not that many people cared until sony started fucking around with its users, Its kind of like you buy a car with a decent stereo system in it, but one day GM just shows up and removes it while telling you to stick it up your ass
Re:Interesting scorekeeping (Score:5, Insightful)
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First hole? You mean the one where people paid $599 for something advertised as Linux-compatible, which turned out to be a bait-and-switch scam?
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How was it a scam? At some point Sony decided that too many people were exploiting the OtherOS feature for piracy, and made people choose between using the PS3 for Linux OR for games by disabling the feature in a firmware update the user could choose not to install, even adding a stern warning as part of the upgrade process.
I am sure they considered the effect of the decision on piracy numbers to be worth the nerd rage directed at them from the minority running Linux. (Who still had that option provided the
Re:Interesting scorekeeping (Score:4, Interesting)
At some point Sony decided that too many people were exploiting the OtherOS feature for piracy
You mean, zero? That's the amount of people who were exploiting OtherOS for piracy when Sony removed the functionality.
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Easy - the exploit done by Geohot (which was the basis for Sony's decision to remove OtherOS) was of the more academic kind. While interesting for security researchers - and most probably used by others later in creating the current crops of "jailbreaks" - there was no pirating back then and no ready made tools or software that could be used by consumers/pirates/aliens.
Feel free to research the topic if you disagree with my statement.
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How was it a scam? At some point Sony decided that too many people were exploiting the OtherOS feature for piracy, and made people choose between using the PS3 for Linux OR for games by disabling the feature in a firmware update the user could choose not to install, even adding a stern warning as part of the upgrade process.
Sony sold the PS3 with the following features advertised:
Then they come in and force the end user to choose between either (1, 2 and 3) or (4).
Now, even if you don't use Linux, the ability to run Linux has value for the consumer. It allows for re-purposing the PS3 as a high end mediacenter (with continual software updates) after it is EOLed as a gam
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Because they advertised that you could both play games and run Linux on it. And some foolish people wanted to actually do both.
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Wait for that core advertisement to turn into a bloody bait-and-switch lawsuit.
Then we'll be seeing the score Hackers: 2 Sony: 6 The people : $BILLIONS.
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this is only because speakers and pot cannot be downloaded readily. Although that soul be a wonderful thing.