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Anonymous Denies Sony Claims of Disruption, Credit Info Theft 275

Posted by timothy
from the singular-or-plural-dammit dept.
An anonymous reader writes "Yesterday, in a letter to Congress, Sony detailed the steps they were taking to resolve the issues that have been plaguing them since the PlayStation Network and SOE online components were hacked, claiming to have found evidence linking the crime to Anonymous. Now, Anonymous has responded."
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Anonymous Denies Sony Claims of Disruption, Credit Info Theft

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  • Re:Derp (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Lysander7 (2085382) on Thursday May 05, 2011 @06:30PM (#36042670)
    Also, Anonymous is more than a well-known public entity. Many are trolls, whiteknights, immature children, and sophisticated hackers. I know, as I'm one of them. Not just a casual 4chan lurker, I mean the Anonymous underground. I don't agree with the hackings, but just because Anonymous officially denies it does not mean their word is to be trusted, or that it wasn't a member doing it independently of the organization.
  • Re:Derp (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Lysander7 (2085382) on Thursday May 05, 2011 @06:34PM (#36042716)
    No, but it can't be discredited either. Are you saying we should just take Anonymous at their word simply because they deny it? I'm not saying Sony's response or initial security wasn't pathetic, because it was, fact still remains it was *probably* Anonymous, especially when looking at the timeline of events.
  • Re:No they havent (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Ruke (857276) on Thursday May 05, 2011 @06:39PM (#36042762)

    This brings up some interesting questions about the Anonymous collective. If some Serbian hacker who wanted credit cards, and does not participate in any of the IRC/BBS/etc that "Anonymous" hangs out in, claims to be Anonymous, is he? Do you need to hold any of the (loosely defined) common values that Anonymous tends to, in order to be properly considered Anonymous?

    I understand that the implication in this case, however, is that some members of Anonymous are claiming that this was done by a person or group who would not self-identify as Anonymous; rather, this person or group merely wants to make it look like the loose-collective "Anonymous" performed the hack in order to shift attention away from themselves and towards others who would self-identify as Anonymous.

  • Re:Derp (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Ruke (857276) on Thursday May 05, 2011 @06:45PM (#36042802)

    While the DDOS-attack does seem like it was very likely Anonymous, the credit breach doesn't quite seem their style. Anonymous tends to be in it to make Sony look bad - if they had stolen 100 million PSN accounts, I'd expect to see 100 million PSN accounts up on The Pirate Bay pretty quick. I'd expect a statement bragging about how easy it was, how lax Sony's security was. I wouldn't expect for-profit identity theft. Stealing credit card info seems a step or two above "doing it for the lulz."

    I could be wrong. It would definitely be wrong to put Anonymous above suspicion; they have a motive and and the ability. It just doesn't seem like their MO.

  • Re:No they havent (Score:3, Interesting)

    by anomaly256 (1243020) on Thursday May 05, 2011 @06:48PM (#36042836)
    call them whatever names you want, they've still done a lot of good work bringing to light corruption and lies our governments feed us. The means might not justify the ends but I dare say they do..
  • Re:No they havent (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Nethemas the Great (909900) on Thursday May 05, 2011 @07:17PM (#36043126)

    If you want to understand Anonymous you need to watch the Ghost in the Shell anime. Anonymous is a seeded attempt at the "Laughing Man" of the series.

    With respect to this case, the entire body of evidence linking Anonymous with this intrusion is nothing more than a single file that Sony "claims" to have found on their system. Even "if" this file actually existed, and was found rather than "placed" by Sony employees, it's is analogous to finding a business card on the bank floor after a heist has taken place.

    Regardless of who actually penetrated Sony's systems, there is a serious issue that doesn't seem to be getting the attention it deserves. Sony wasn't minding the shop. Independent researchers informed Sony of their vulnerable systems and Sony ignored them. If a very attractive girl decides to strip naked and run around inside a men's prison should the girl not be at least partially responsible for anything that happens to her. Now in the case of Sony it isn't much different, except for them they aren't just opening themselves up for abuse, they are opening up everyone of their customers whom entrusted them with their exploitable financial data.

  • Re:No they havent (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 05, 2011 @07:37PM (#36043276)

    If they did any good it was purely a side effect that occurred while they were getting their lulz.

  • Re:Derp (Score:5, Interesting)

    by mentil (1748130) on Thursday May 05, 2011 @08:21PM (#36043616)

    It gets stranger. According to their recent updates for the SOE hack, the hackers used 'sophisticated means [...] to cover their tracks'.
    Why go to a lot of trouble to cover your tracks, yet purposely leave a file implicating Anonymous? Either the access was done over a period of time, and the tracks were covered to keep continued access (not something I'd imagine Anonymous would care to do), or the evidence was left to divert investigators away from the real source of the hacks.
    Leaving behind a calling-card then letting Anonymous make 2 statements (one when the PSN outage first began) that they weren't responsible, without releasing a counter-statement claiming responsibility and acting on behalf of Anonymous, suggests that this person is either so on the fringe of association with Anonymous they have no contact with other members, or they're trying to pass suspicion/investigative efforts/blame to Anonymous.
    Any way you look at it, you can't blame the greater body of Anonymous.

  • Re:No they havent (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 05, 2011 @09:11PM (#36043860)

    "If you want to understand Anonymous you need to watch the Ghost in the Shell anime. Anonymous is a seeded attempt at the "Laughing Man" of the series."

    And you need to re-watch it. The name "Stand-Alone Complex" comes from the fact that there was no Laughing Man. All the "Laughing Man" attacks were all actually inside jobs, corporate attempts at scamming insurers and securing government bailouts. They were all "copycats" for which there never really was an original.

    Anonymous isn't trying to recreate "Laughing Man" here, Sony is, and for the same reasons.

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