Super Scrabble Players Have Unusual Brains 142
An anonymous reader writes "Being a competitive Scrabble player apparently warps your brain, in a good way, according to researchers at the University of Calgary in Canada. At the high level of the game, players quickly judge whether words, or possible words are real based in large part on their visual stimuli — not an inherent knowledge of the word or its meaning. 'These findings indicate that Scrabble players are less reliant on the meaning of words to judge whether or not they are real, and more flexible at word recognition using orthographic information. ... Competitive Scrabble players are visual word recognition experts and their skill pushes the bounds of what we previously considered the end-point of development of the word recognition system.'"
Cause and Effect? (Score:4, Insightful)
Does being a competitive Scrabble player warp your brain, or are those with warped brains more likely to become competitive Scrabble players?
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I think it's a little of both, but mainly the former. One adapts to their environment, and playing Scrabble requires you to see words differently than most. Similarly, if you play enough Game! [wittyrpg.com] you'll start seeing puns in everything!
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One adapts to their environment, and playing Scrabble requires you to see words differently than most.
Indeed. The development of this ability in hardcore Scrabble players is similar to the Tetris effect [wikipedia.org].
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I know one champion Scrabble player is Sal Piro, who is also the president of the Rocky Horror Fan Club. He's a neat guy, in the Guinness Book of World Records for having seen the same movie the most number of times.
There's a certain mindset there.
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I do find the notion that this is a 'good' development(outside of the environment of scrabble, where it is obviously useful) sort of interesting. When I am reading, the most pleasant, fastest, and most engaged state is when the words becom
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Although interesting, that Stroop Effect online test has to be one of the worst examples of an experiment I've ever seen!
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That would depend on your [C][A][T][H][A][R][I][N][O][S][I][S] and your [S][U][B][L][I][D][U][P][L][A][R][I][E][T][Y].
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*WHOOOSH!*
Definitely Effect. (Score:3)
Having read "Word Freaks - : Heartbreak, Triumph, Genius, and Obsession in the World of Competitive Scrabble Players" you can see how the author starts with a writer's perspective on words, and through his attempts to become a competitive player he alters his brain. Towards the end of the book he is seeing anagrams everywhere and words become separated from their meanings...
"Jaxqiz" (n): An unlikely word that is only useful for playing scrabble with.
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Which makes 99% of music more interesting.
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I'd like to know where this world you live in, where 99% of music is more interesting if you analyze it more deeply, is at. Here where I live, listening carefully to all of the pop music released for quite some time now just makes me start screaming for the head of the guy who invented Autotune. The background music at some places nowadays makes me wish for death if I accidentally slip into careful listening.
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Sure, a lot of all music is derivative, and most of it won't su
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If you're having trouble hearing the raw Rihanna edge, check out this cover [youtube.com] for a comparison. Notice how much trouble the girl in the cover has dealing with the repeated sequences (where it has the same phrase over and over with different words). In the cover it just falls flat. Rihanna on the other hand manages to drive throu
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If you're having trouble hearing the raw Rihanna edge, check out this cover [youtube.com] for a comparison. Notice how much trouble the girl in the cover has dealing with the repeated sequences (where it has the same phrase over and over with different words). In the cover it just falls flat.
Wait, what? Were you aiming for +5Funny? The linked performance is actually quite good, sure the song is not as "powerful", but this *is* an acoustic cover. The "power" you think you hear from the original is from the drum machine. This vocal performance surpasses the Rhianna version by far.
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The most important difference between them is what they are communicating. Rihanna is communicating with her voice exactly what the words say. She wants to have sex and she wants to feel a certain way. Ellie Goulding is communicating that she wants to feel that way, but she also wants 'y
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In the cover it just falls flat. Rihanna on the other hand manages to drive through and the repetition only makes it more powerful.
[...] she uses auto-tune.
Doesn't that defeat your entire argument? If Rihanna uses Auto-tune, how can she be said to have any singing skill? Auto-tune takes vocals sung out of tune and bends them to the nearest true semitone. So a person can sing consistently off key and Auto-tune will make it sound perfect.
All her songs are perfectly in tune, can't you hear that?
So aparently you can hear that. And you state she uses Auto-tune. What makes you so certain the original
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Do you really think the only thing about singing is being in tune? Who hasn't heard a technically perfect singing performance that was just boring? More obviously, compare the difference in singing between Mandy Patkin and Andrea Bocelli. Both are in tune, but sing quite differently.
Every piano is tuned by a technician. The smallest baby can play perfectly in tune. Does that mean no pianist has skill more than a perfect baby? Singing in tune isn't everything.
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And sir, if you can't feel the intensity of 'Love the Way you Lie,' you're emotionally dead inside. What other song captures so well the emotion of murderously disfunctional relationship? If that's not your thing, that that's fine, but the craftsmanship is undeniable.
Of course its undeniable - she didn't write it, so yeash - there is a lot of talent behind it, but not hers.
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You sir, are either a troll or an idiot. For your sake, I hope troll.
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You live in a world where more than 1% of music gets less interesting if you analyze it?
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Yes; I haven't heard a song on the American pop charts for over a decade now that I really enjoyed hearing. And a significant portion of current pop music, easily >1%, uses processing such as autotune-as-effect that drives me batty if I notice it. I used to review audio equipment, I notice fake sound processing, and that particular case I can't stand it. I'll happily listen to older voice processing as effect equipment such as a vocoder [wikipedia.org], something about this latest variation puts me on edge.
And the an
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So you made autotuned pop music interesting by analyzing it here. Because otherwise it's pointless shite.
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Speaking as a seasoned Scrabble player, I think you mean "definately."
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Speaking as a seasoned Scrabble player, I think you mean "definately."
You must not be very good at scrabble.
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Unless he can convince other players his words are real words, in that case he would be good... [R][D][Y][Q][W][L][U][Z][L][Y] good.
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Speaking as a seasoned Scrabble player, I think you mean "definately."
You must not be very good at scrabble.
GP's error is almost as funny as the traditional spelling/grammar mistake when being a spelling/grammar Nazi here.
triple word score (Score:1)
couldn't help myself
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like computer games become boring once you miss the magic and see exactly how the so called AI works, it becomes just a bell'n'whistles machine.
so, "for the good" here forgets that ignorance is a bliss.
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A bit like learning to roll a kayak, or shoot hoops, or juggling five balls, or programming in assembler, or most things on hack-a-day.
Not at all essential for day to day life, but challenging and fun. And just occasionally you will gain an insight that makes it even more worthwhile.
Or maybe on a kayak trip you might even meet a six foot six basket-baller of the opposite gender who likes somebody who is good with his [juggling] balls and finds computer geeks interesting.... ... but then again the odds are a
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I hate crossword puzzles. Most of the time the answer is about some damn show that I never even cared to watch.
Super Scrabble's Player Name? (Score:2)
The player's name wouldn't happen to be Abby Normal... would it?
So they know how to read. (Score:2)
It's been a long time since I've had to see words as individual letters to understand them, even if they were unfamiliar.
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This isn't about understanding how to read a word; it's about instinctively knowing whether or not a particular group of letters is a real word, without having seen it before or knowing what it means.
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Exactly,
There are expert level players from various Asian countries who have a basic grasp of english but they sure know what is and is not a valid string of letters to play.
I used to play in tournaments and even have been to the open National tourney but was never that good. My wife is good but she doesn't like tournaments anymore but she can make the letters just dance in her head in half a second for what will take me 15 seconds of shuffling the tiles around on the rack. At that level the definition is j
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O rly?
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You should be cautioned, I't's more than education, and it can't be auctioned to the highest bidder.
(A top scrabble player would have a smile now - hint: look at the nine letter words).
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"cautioned", "education", and "auctioned" are all anagrams of each other.
It would be a Scrabbler player's wet dream to have an open 'o'+'n' on the board, and 'a', 'c', ‘d’, ‘e', 'i', 't', 'u' sitting in your tile rack... especially if it was on the bottom row so you could get two triple word scores
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Too many low-scoring letters.
Scrabblers' wet dreams are words like quixotry and zymurgy.
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"cautioned", "education", and "auctioned" are all anagrams of each other.
Yah...thanks...I'm not a top scrabble player, but I got that. ;) I questioned the significance of them being 9-letter words because I assumed that a top player would not be playing someone who had left an open 'on' / 'ion' in a vulnerable area of the board. I almost said as much in my original post. I thought perhaps I had missed some even more obscure gambit known only to "top players"! :)
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And some of the people on the tv show where (Score:2)
And some of the people on the tv show where where unusual as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoA1yer-CWI [youtube.com]
What nonsense. (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:What nonsense. (Score:4, Insightful)
How is recognizing a valid word without knowing anything about it useful, outside of Scrabble and similar contrivances? I watched Word Wars [wikipedia.org] some years ago about competition Scrabble players, and let me tell you, these are not smart people. They are people who have dumped all of their lives and meager talents into memorizing all the "valid" seven character patterns in English. They don't know meanings, they are not particularly literate, they just know what pattern of characters is valid and what pattern isn't. I don't think this is particularly praiseworthy, and to try to look at it physiologically as a special positive aspect seems to me to be in denial of who these people really are what limited abilities they truly have.
Being a phenomenal scrabble player is notable in exactly the same way as being a phenomenal sprinter is notable. Good sprinters have also dumped all of their lives into figuring out how to run the fastest under very constrained conditions. Their ability doesn't help them outside of it. By your argument, we should ignore almost all record setters, as the elite in a field are often those who disregard all else.
Instead, we are amazed by sprinters going faster today then medical science previously thought possible. I am amazed by Scrabble players specializing their brains beyond what was thought possible. Whether the act of such dedication to anything is healthy is debatable, but the results are amazing.
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What society needs are innovators, analyzers, synthesizers, and creative minds. Not near zombies who can sort character strings and nothing more, or obsessive musclebound athletes most of whom achieve very little of substance once their physical exploits fade.
I encourage you to also watch Word Wars and see w
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Or maybe he has, and thought that was the world he wants to live in?
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Word Wars was a not very exciting documentary about tournament Scrabble produced by a tournament Scrabble player, mostly about his layabout friends on the East Coast. He picked bizarre personalities on purpose.
I play tournament Scrabble, decidedly not at the expert level, but I can tell you that while we're all a quirky group of people, for the most part there is a good mix of educated professionals amongst the guys that have to bunk 4 a room at a tournament because they can't hold a job lest it affect the
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What society needs are innovators, analyzers, synthesizers, and creative minds. Not near zombies who can sort character strings and nothing more, or obsessive musclebound athletes most of whom achieve very little of substance once their physical exploits fade.
Athletes do serve a purpose in society; entertainment. Just the sheer magnitude of sports coverage on TV should make it clear that athletes enterain a lot of people. And seeing as you are reading and commenting on Slashdot about scrabble players - something without any obvious merit to society - surely you will understand the value of entertainment.
Top scrabble player provide some entertainment to other scrabble players. In this sense they like the athletes, but for a much smaller group of spectators.
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Entertainers/athletes are overpaid when they earn their promotors/teams less money than they cost.
If it takes simple minds to pay their wages... simple minds have just as much right to be entertained as anybody else.
Any other reason to call somebody "overpaid" is just jealousy.
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Your criticism wasn't just with the "moral value" (taste) of something, it was with the price ("overpaid").
Note that I didn't talk about this socalled "moral value"; there's simply no argueing taste. I only commented on the "overpaid" part, which is effectively a result of the market.
It could be argued that the price is affected by your personal taste, since you're not creating any demand. If sufficient people shared your taste, these people wouldn't get paid at all instead of being "overpaid".
p.s. Ad homin
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P.S. If you think 'homeslice' is ad hominem, you might want to look into what it means [urbandictionary.com] first.
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At what point did you read the article suggesting that these skills were useful or implied "smart"? Saying that players are better at word recognition than researchers thought was possible is not implying word recognition has any particular value.
Re:What nonsense. (Score:4, Informative)
I'm a graphic designer, it comes in very handy. At work I catch a lot of mistakes that would have otherwise gone to print. Sometimes while quickly glancing at a page, incorrect words will just stick out to me, even without directly reading them. Sometimes we get medical terms or other words I'm not familiar with and the computer spellchecker doesn't have either, and I usually have a good hunch one way or the other.
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My wife is almost OCD about spelling. Sometime it seems instinctive.
She missed her calling, should have been a proofreader.
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what the hell are contrivances?*
besides 19 points
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So you are upset by the throwaway "in a good way" in the summary?
I think it at least partially means "in a way that aids the playing of Scrabble" as opposed to "in a way that makes it difficult for them to function in society".
The existence of the correlation is certainly interesting, if they can demonstrate that it is a training effect and figure out how it happens, it might be possible to apply that understanding to training for other tasks (there are shades of the focused from "A Deepness in the Sky" her
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Causation? (Score:2)
A new respect for players (Score:4, Interesting)
Pro's are constantly analyzing the board and thinking about their opponent's next turn as well as their own next turn. On every possible turn they think about stuff like not leaving words that can be hooked with an 's', not leaving a rack with duplicate letters or a rack with too many vowels or consonants, not leaving words open to be played next to premium locations, when to play or keep Q's and blanks, how to be the first one out, and a bunch of even more complicated stuff. Oh, and don't forget that they still have to find all the words that can be made from their letters and the open locations on the board. Memorizing the better part of 180,000 words seems like the easy part.
The fact that pro's can do all of that in their head is pretty amazing. I have no problem saying that the top scrabble players are equal in their ability to chess grandmasters.
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Lots of 'not's there.. sometimes it's a good thing to leave those things open - to open up the board, and get an opportunity for yourself from your opponent's next play. I've seen boards shut down to a stalemate by adhering to those 'not' rules.
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Have you tried a game search algorithm? It seems like you have the move-generation part handled, and a static board evaluation function should be easy to write.
-- 77IM
Another reported trait (Score:4, Funny)
Apparently being a super Scrabble player renders a person unable to reproduce.
Or was it "unlikely"?
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The real question... (Score:3)
The real question is: is your in-law aware of their resemblance to the the gardener, the mailman and the poolboy?
maybe next they'll figure out (Score:1)
that musicians hear sound differently. Duh.
Taking away from other brain capacities? (Score:3)
We've all heard of the research showing that London taxi drivers have one part of their brain enlarged by their work.
More recently, research shows that this comes at the cost of reducing their memory for other things:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sciencetoday/2011/0609/1224298636027.html [irishtimes.com]
Becoming a super-specialist in a very narrow field, such as a Scrabble master, might have the same effect.
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This may be so... I have heard an friend talk of a leading theoretical physicist who needed help from the university cafe staff to get the select the correct change to pay for his lunch.
I wonder if he had transcended numbers completely?
Tips for becoming a decent scrabble player. (Score:2)
2) Memorize all prefixes and suffixes.
3) Onomatopoeias are acceptable. (brr, brrr, kapow, whoosh, ooh, aah, etc) Basically most any "word" you will find used to verbally illustrate physical action in a comic book.
4) Familiarize yourself with words that contain a high number of vowels and consonants along with those that contain either no vowels or consonants. (aalii, cwrths, etc.)
The above basic tips will come in handy, and
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For instance, in scrabble, using the X (8) points on a triple letter score (played in both directions) will net a minimum base score of 52 points. An example of this would be a combination of AX, XU, AT.
<pedant>50 points.</pedant>
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More usefull in real life would be some poems
I think that I shall never see, /. post that tastes like brie.
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What about that old TV/television series? (Score:2)
I wonder watching that old TV/television game show version show these too!
Really??? (Score:1)
Super Scrabble Players Have Unusual Brains?
And Super Chess Players have usual brains? Of course I haven't read TFA, but really?
Cromulent not cromulant (Score:2)
I am kicking myself for posting this but....right now one of the tags on this story is the work "cromulant". That's spelled "cromulent", people!
Visual thinking (Score:2)
What's not well appreciated yet is that the human brain is mostly visual [wikipedia.org], and so is human thought [amazon.com]. It's also the most powerful way to organize memory [litemind.com]. The primacy of "The Word," of language-type coding, diverts us from this reality. Yet linguistic meaning is based on image schemas [wikipedia.org] which are predominantly visuo-spatial. However, there is some evidence that in humans some aspects of linguistic thought have been brought into rough parity with the visuo-spatial [wikipedia.org] in terms of dedicated support in the brain.
Same as spelling? (Score:2)
In other news (Score:2)
Expert Tic-Tac-Toe players are very good at recognizing Xs and Os.
Amazing (Score:1)
Bingo.
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People who put more importance on how the words are spelled then[sic] on their meaning are actually at a disadvantage.
I wonder how many of them are compete[sic] poets.
...but can they put meaning beyond that of the words with[sic] resorting to anagrams and the like.
On[sic] interesting thing is it does prove that words are[sic] definite pasterns[sic] to them.
Captain Irony says: "YOUR HILARIOUS!"
Seriously though, if being a great Scrabble player is what they strive for then whether or not they can write gripping spy thrillers or complex technical documents is completely academic. Their brains are better able to spot patterns than most people's. If this were a story about 100m sprinters whose muscles were "better" than those of "normal people" would you be saying "Yeah, but can they run marathons?"?
There are people (evidently) who are incapable of stringing
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would you be saying "Yeah, but can they run marathons?"?
Yes and I frequently do. I find it hard to believe that there is a situation where being able to run 100m in less than 10 seconds is a survival skill. But then I'm an advocate of letting the Olympians use as many drugs as they like to see what the human potential is (and what we can do for our soldiers when we colonize other planets), so maybe I'm not the best person to be actually answering your rhetorical question.
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I find it hard to believe that there is a situation where being able to run 100m in less than 10 seconds is a survival skill.
It seems to me that running 100m in less than 10 seconds could be a great survival skill - akin to climbing the nearest tree in under 10 seconds - as we haven't always been at the top of the food chain.
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I'm an advocate of letting the Olympians use as many drugs as they like to see what the human potential is
All you would prove is how many people would be happy to either kill themselves or else seriouslyu reduce their life expectancy in order to win a medal. There is a point at which the human body can't be ushed any further without damage. Given enough drugs, you'd end up with people finishing the marathon on bloody stumps.