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With $8.6M In Kickstarter Funds, Ouya Opens Console Pre-Orders 218

Posted by timothy
from the ok-yes-I-want-one dept.
Chameleon Man writes with an excerpt from PC Mag: "Early this morning, the Android-based Ouya console ended its run on Kickstarter with nearly $8.6 million in user donations. In recent weeks, the company has secured a number of content partners for the device, but now it's time to see if Ouya can really deliver. Interested buyers can now pre-order an Ouya on the company's website. In the U.S., one console and one controller will cost $109, one console plus two controllers will be $139, and one console and four controllers will be $199. All orders include a $10 shipping charge." Adds Chameleon Man: "Here's to hoping that an open-source console can gain a foothold in an already competitive market."
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With $8.6M In Kickstarter Funds, Ouya Opens Console Pre-Orders

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  • not a bad start at all.

  • Why doesn't the text talking about preordering actually link to the preorder page rather than to a blog to drive up their page hits? Lame blog spam is lame.

  • will it replace my apple tv (with Plex, which is my only use for TV these days)
  • Are these going to have open GPU drivers or not?

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Desler (1608317)

      Unless they are going to pop out of thin air, no.

    • by BobNET (119675)

      It's an Nvidia Tegra 3. That should answer your question.

    • by Tapewolf (1639955)

      Are these going to have open GPU drivers or not?

      No, it's an nVidia GPU. For the most part it will be running the Android drivers. For Linux... who knows. I dunno if Nouveau supports the Tegra yet, but even if it does, performance is liable to be a bit feeble.

  • by Adrian Lopez (2615) on Thursday August 09, 2012 @04:20PM (#40937253) Homepage

    I asked developers whether Ouya will run games sold outside the official store (without having to root the device, like with to Android's "unknown sources"), but they never replied. Until they do, I don't consider this a particularly open console.

    Have we reached an era when even those who advertise openness won't release commercial platforms that aren't like walled gardens?

    • While I agree with the general question about how "open" this device is, you don't have to root your android to install apps from unknown sources; that's one of the main selling points over ios in the first place!

      • "While I agree with the general question about how "open" this device is, you don't have to root your android to install apps from unknown sources; that's one of the main selling points over ios in the first place!"

        That's what I meant. Android allows this by default, but will Ouya?

        • That's what I meant. Android allows this by default, but will Ouya?

          I should clarify: "allows this by default" meaning it allows you to enable "unknown sources" unless the device manufacturer decides to disable that feature.

          Sometimes I wish Slashdot had an edit button.

    • Ticking 'unknown sources' doesnt give you root. It just tells the device to allow uncertified programs. You are still not at root user level permissions, merely changing the device from 'run only signed' to run 'signed and unsigned'. There are apps i can get directly from google Play that I cant run on my google Nexus 7 because it requires root, which for some strange reason requires a 3rd party tool to get access to.
      • by h4rr4r (612664)

        So then run the fastbook and flash a su apk. What is the problem?

        • Could you provide some links? I figured i would be able to do it on-device like my Palm Pre Plus. Enter the konami code and you were in dev mode. Once i saw it was something external i kind of tuned out, having no framework to know if it was trustworthy or not. Why isnt there a clear, documented instruction from google on how to do this?
        • by s73v3r (963317)

          Last time I checked, all the methods for root on the Nexus 7 ended up wiping the device in the process. I'm happy enough with stock that even backing up what little I do have on there doesn't seem worth it.

      • by Applekid (993327)

        What 3rd party tool? That's the android SDK, and you can just build and push whatever tools you want. Certainly more convenient running Busybox but by no means required.

    • by guises (2423402) on Thursday August 09, 2012 @05:19PM (#40938121)
      Have they advertised this as an open console? I didn't get that impression at all. Do we know that they aren't going to require a signed OS? Will I be able to run my own ROM? I haven't been able to find that information.

      Actually, I can't understand why so many people are behind this. Both from a gamer's perspective and from a developer's this seems like a non-starter. Open platforms can sometimes overcome the lack of a customer base by virtue of their openness, but we don't seem to have that here. It's underpowered compared to other consoles, the 30% cut that they want for selling games through their store is huge - I've never heard of Nintendo or Sony taking more than 20%, though Microsoft jacked up their cut on XBLA after a while - and that plus the small potential customer base means there's no financial reason to develop for this thing.

      I also somewhat resent their business model. They're funding development of their product through donations, at no risk to themselves, and then demanding 30% of all sales. That's rent-seeking if I've ever seen it.
      • by Applekid (993327)

        Have they advertised this as an open console? I didn't get that impression at all. Do we know that they aren't going to require a signed OS? Will I be able to run my own ROM? I haven't been able to find that information.

        You're right, at least in that we only have their words that it will be open. Ultimately, it's a preorder, sight unseen, and nobody that has a working unit is willing to talk about these details. It's no different from Makerbot selling their 3D printer, claiming it's open source, without releasing any source until they finish building and shipping the first batch. At least in that case, we now know they lied: only cherry picked documentation is available and "source" released is the software equivalent to s

        • by batkiwi (137781)

          What do the angel investors know that the 63K that donated don't?

          The angel investors don't want a console, they want a profit. A LUCRATIVE profit, given how many companies typical angel funds invest in to get a "hit" one.

          As one of the 63k people backing ouya, I did so:
          -to buy a console
          -to back the idea

          If all that comes of it is a few NES emulators, an FPS or two, and a youtube client then I'm happy enough with my $100 spent. Or if it starts a huge new console wave then I had one day one!

          Either way I'm not looking for $500 out of my $100 investment, which is at a very l

      • by s73v3r (963317)

        I also somewhat resent their business model. They're funding development of their product through donations, at no risk to themselves, and then demanding 30% of all sales. That's rent-seeking if I've ever seen it.

        I find this model to be a lot better than most angel or VC investors who demand that the business make a profit even if it means fucking over those that helped make the business possible.

    • by tlhIngan (30335)

      I asked developers whether Ouya will run games sold outside the official store (without having to root the device, like with to Android's "unknown sources"), but they never replied. Until they do, I don't consider this a particularly open console.

      Have we reached an era when even those who advertise openness won't release commercial platforms that aren't like walled gardens?

      Given everyone who buys one gets the SDK thrown in, there probably will be the option to do it. If not, there'll be a root for it within

    • by Narishma (822073) on Thursday August 09, 2012 @06:54PM (#40939171)

      I asked developers whether Ouya will run games sold outside the official store (without having to root the device, like with to Android's "unknown sources"), but they never replied.

      They replied in Reddit's AMA [reddit.com].

      Q: Is sideloading separate .apk flies to install apps not in the ouya store something that is possible without having to root and lose access to the ouya store?
      A: Yes, we will allow installation of your APKs.

  • Nope (Score:3, Insightful)

    by TheSpoom (715771) <slashdot@@@uberm00...net> on Thursday August 09, 2012 @04:29PM (#40937373) Homepage Journal

    Show me a physical prototype, running actual software, connected to an actual TV (in HD), and then we'll talk.

  • by gman003 (1693318) on Thursday August 09, 2012 @04:34PM (#40937459)

    I have to admit, I'm probably going to get one of these eventually, if everything goes right.

    But that's the key - it has to work. It has to have at least two games I want to play that I can't play elsewhere, it has to function as a half-decent media player, it has to, you know, actually exist as a physical thing.

    Right now, there's just too much a chance of this never even being released for me to pre-order. And even if it does come out, there's a large chance that it won't have any good, interesting games come out.

    Now, if it does come out and live up to its promises, I'll buy one. No problem there. But I'm just still too apprehensive about it to commit to it until it's solid.

  • The video on their website is pretty cool. It shows them making the controllers by hand, out of wood. Talk about craftsmanship.
  • by markdavis (642305) on Thursday August 09, 2012 @05:16PM (#40938073)

    If it had access to Google Play Store *AND* another market for even more souped-up games (or even some exclusive stuff) it would be irresistible. But from everything I have seen/heard so far, it will probably be limited to some proprietary marketplace with much less selection and potentially much higher priced stuff.

    You might ask what is the point for full Google Play Store access? These:

    1) There are countless thousands of games, right off the bat
    2) There are countless thousands of LOW PRICED games
    3) There are many thousands of FREE games
    4) Anything YOU ALREADY PAID FOR on Play will run on the Ouya too
    5) You might want access to some apps that are not games
    6) You might want to do all this in the comfort of your chair, using a great controller, a great sound system, and a great display

    Without full Google Play Store (or maybe even Amazon Marketplace) support, I don't expect this thing to be anywhere NEAR as attractive as it would be with it.

    Also quite possible it won't have analog sound out, making it not possible (or difficult and expensive) to connect many people's audio/visual systems.

    • Google Play Store is only for devices certified by Google to meet the Android Compatibility Definition Document, and I'm not aware of any desktop or set-top profile in the CDD for ICS or Jelly Bean. I'll admit that my information may be out of date, in which case in which version did Google add a set-top spec?
  • Controller Markup? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by TheAngryMob (49125) on Thursday August 09, 2012 @05:25PM (#40938207) Homepage

    Anyone else notice the odd markup on the extra controllers? It's $20 per controller when you go from one to two controllers, but $30 per controller when going from one to four. Are they going to sell controllers separately or if you buy the 1 or 2 controller box, that's it, no adding on?

    • Anyone else notice the odd markup on the extra controllers? It's $20 per controller when you go from one to two controllers...

      You may want to check the summary again:

      one console and one controller will cost $109, one console plus two controllers will be $139

      • Quite so. I could swear it said $129 for the plus 2 controllers, but it does indeed say $139 for 2. Either my bad or they fixed it. Ce la vie.

    • Remember that the idea is to give the organization the startup funds to do what they are trying to do. You get rewards, but funding them is the goal. As such generally the higher the tier, the less you get for your money. After all it wouldn't do much good to collect $5000 for a project, but give out $6000 in stuff, you are in the hole there.

      So as you move up it is usually more about giving them more because you want to see the project succeed, and getting some small things as a thank you, then getting "you

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  • Is anyone else not psyched about this?

    I mean, I really don't know which way this project will go - it could take off like the Wii did, or it could flounder around after it launches - but am I the only one not caught up in the hype?

    We saw, after a month of *very* aggressive advertising - mostly through paid-for sites like Tech Crunch - a console that has "sold" about 58k units (tracking only the customers that contributed money for the minimum to get an Ouya console). This is in an industry where we constant

    • by tepples (727027)

      Where's the "killer app" here that is locked into the Ouya?

      Any game that needs a physical gamepad and doesn't have a big experienced publisher backing it. Or are there sales figures for tablet peripherals like the iControlPad?

      • by s73v3r (963317)

        Again, what's the "killer app"? None of the games that fit that criteria would be considered a killer app unless it was actually any good.

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