Cuban Video Game Recreates Revolutionary History 199
Hugh Pickens writes writes "The Guardian reports that Cuban programmers have unveiled a new 3D video game that puts a revolutionary twist on gaming, letting players recreate decisive clashes from the 1959 uprising in which many of their grandparents fought. 'The player identifies with the history of Cuba,' says Haylin Corujo, head of video game studies for Cuba's Youth Computing Club and leader of the team of developers who created Gesta Final – roughly translated as 'Final Heroic Deed'. 'You can be a participant in the battles that were fought in the war from '56 to '59.' The game begins with the user joining the 82 rebels who in 1956 sailed to Cuba from Mexico aboard the Granma. Players then fight their way through swamps shoulder-to-shoulder with bearded guerrillas clad in the olive green of Fidel Castro and Ernesto 'Che' Guevara to topple 1950s Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista. The game lets you pick from three player profiles, one in an olive hat similar to the one Fidel Castro was known for, another wearing a Guevara-style beret and the last with the kind of helmet worn by the ill-fated Camilo Cienfuegos in many revolution-era photographs. Rene Vargas, a 29-year-old gamer who tried his hand at 'Gesta Final' when it was presented at a technology fair in Havana last week, says the graphics were surprisingly sophisticated. 'Bearing in mind the level of technical support there is in Cuba, it looks pretty good,' says Vargas. There are about 783,000 computers in this country of some 11 million inhabitants, according to government statistics from 2011. Private ownership of computers is low, but many Cubans access them at work, school or cyber cafes. 'We developed (it) keeping in mind the purchasing power and reality of Cubans,' says Corujo. 'It doesn't require incredible technological features.'"
Celebrating Mass Murderers (Score:2, Insightful)
Yeah Castro and his boy Che Che are real fucking heros. Che ran Castro's death camps and got off murdering people. HEROS!!
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You should take advantage of our amazing free enterprise system and create a counter-game called "Free Market: Chile"
I'm sure the thrilling scenes of political opponents being thrown from helicopters into the Pacific Ocean will take your breath away.
All in the interests of defending freedom of course
Show those Cubans what real freedom is all about
Re:Celebrating Mass Murderers (Score:5, Insightful)
This may surprise you, but actual history is distinct from freerepublic hyperbole.
Well, technically they were called labor camps.
But hyperbole? So we have a guy who fought for "freedom" and ended up being in power all his life. And passed that power to family members. I cannot say what it was like under Batista, but good grief! Castro couldn't have created a democratic system? He could have at the very least done a George Washington and been the first President. And then peacefully left office.
It makes me really appreciate the Founders of the US. There were so many opportunities to turn this country into another Western Hemisphere dictatorship shithole and they didn't.
Of course a democracy doesn't guarantee anything -see Mexico.
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Of course a democracy doesn't guarantee anything -see Merica.
FTFY
crikes look at how many "democracies" America has established against the will of the people that have turned ugly that's a far worse track record than Cuba. I mean Vietnam for crying out loud. Ho Chi Minh looked to the US for help breaking free of it's colonial status (like US/England) and then when they wanted to establish a govt of their own choosing .. war.
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We have a guy who took over a country that was tucked up worse than most of Caribbean, and actually made it livable for most of the population - more so than most of his (capitalistic and nominally democratic) neighbors. That doesn't make him a saint, but it does make him better than most other politicians who come to power in similar circumstances.
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"Candidates"? Lovely. Too bad all candidates were from the official party. Who were the opposition back in 2008 again?
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And you're deflecting my question. Again: how many non-party candidates did the 2008 election had?
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The number of political parties in Cuba is similar to the number of political parties in any other communist dictatorship ... one.
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It is, actually. Much worse.
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No idea - i'm not an US citizen. Though i'm interested on how the lack of democratic choices anywhere else justify the mockery that are "elections" in Cuba.
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Screenshots (Score:5, Informative)
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Graphics aren't terrible, somewhere between SWAT4 and Ghost Recon.
So where can I download it?
Play to loose? (Score:3)
I wonder if it has DRM? Is it FOSS? What does that mean in a socialist state?
Maybe the Cubans could give the game platform to Viet Nam, and they could come up with a plotline where you follow Ho Chi Min to his defeat of the imperialist US invaders. There's jungles and tropical climate in both situations, right.
In China, they could have the Long March MMOG.
On a somewhat more serious note, this is somewhat an exercise in jumping the shark. If you're at the point where you promote your history/ideology by turning it into a video game, it's ceased to be current experience, and has moved into the realm of cultural myths.
In the US, the number of people who have combat experience is dwarfed by the the ranks of the FPS gamers. The real experience of war has been eclipsed by the glamorized painless video version. It's likely that the sanitized version has displaced reality in the minds of a lot of people. This can't be a good thing.
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BRING BACK THE PONIES!
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America's Army was released free to the public. I would imagine this game would be as well, coming from the Ministry of Communications (which strangely does not have a website).
Cuba itself just hosted on IP conference. Here's the program [asipicuba2013.com], and here's a snippet of it:
Tuesday, March 19, 2013
9:05 - 10:30
Challenges of Protecting Intellectual Property on Social Networks (Software Industry)
Rafael Ortín, Marquez, Henriquez, Ortin & Valedon,
Slobodan Petosevic, Petosevic, Belgium
This says nothing about Cuban
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Obligitory grammar nitpick: surely you mean play too loose?
are the Tropico games banded there?? (Score:2)
are the Tropico games banded there??
Re:are the Tropico games banded there?? (Score:4, Insightful)
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No have no idea what the NAACP is, do you?
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was Call of Duty banned there? I thought I recalled hearing about a mission where you assassinated Fidel Castro...
That was the first mission in Call of Duty: Black Ops. You play a special forces team sent in with the failed Bay of Pigs invasion in 1961. The goal of the mission is to kill Castro, but you only end up killing a body double. (It's based on a real historical event, so they couldn't actually have him get killed.)
Che Guevara was a virulent racist. (Score:2, Informative)
I'm sure his fanboys will make excuses, but here are the words of Che Guevara:
"The blacks, those magnificent examples of the African race who have maintained their racial purity thanks to their lack of an affinity with bathing, have seen their territory invaded by a new kind of slave: the Portuguese."
"The black is indolent and a dreamer; spending his meager wage on frivolity or drink; the European has a tradition of work and saving, which has pursued him as far as this corner of America and drives him to ad
Re:Che Guevara was a virulent racist. (Score:4, Interesting)
Fanboi here. That's a passage from his younger diaries, when he had barely had contact with blacks and was certainly not politically defined as he would become later. He wrote that when he was about 24. Later, he wrote the following [marxists.org]:
It might be noted he later actually fought and bled in Congo fighting against Mobutu along Congolese revolutionaries.
That's not to say everything he did was right. He was a proponent of death penalty, something a man of his education (he was a doctor) should have abhorred already in the 60s. He heavily miscalculated the campaigns in Congo and Bolivia. But racist? No way.
Just what we need, more historical revisionism (Score:4, Informative)
Oh boy, I sure hope this game lets you blind fold and shoot people that didnt go along with the glorious Cuban revolution!
http://www.therealcuba.com/page5.htm [therealcuba.com]
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Oh wait, would that be a double standard I hear?
For who? Certainly not for the Castros who seem to have no qualms about shooting people in cold blood.
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Re:In other news... (Score:5, Insightful)
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When you have a combat boot crushing your throat, it doesn't matter if its a Left boot or a Right boot.
Re:In other news... (Score:5, Informative)
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"A revolution in which 58 men inspired a country of 6.5 million to throw out a dictatorial, postcolonial government?"
... and replaced it with another dictatorial, post-colonial government.
Am I supposed to be impressed?
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Potemkin indicators.
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Regardless of your political views, you should be impressed by Cuba's health indicators at least.
And if it is such a paradise why are people willing to jump on practically anything that floats to get the Florida?
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... and replaced it with another dictatorial, post-colonial government.
Sorry, nope. A "post-colonial government" in this context refers to the sort of government where the colonial upper classes break free of the control of the colonial power in order to retain power within their group. As a more recent example of the transition from postcolonialism, consider Zimbabwe, where Robert Mugabe got in on the ticket of dismantling the post-colonial land ownership structure, where pretty much every acre of the country was owned by a minority of rich white people. His regime has bee
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"My preferred adjective here would be "Stalinist", because it's not even communist ..."
I agree. That's why I wrote "wannabes". Nobody so far has implemented a true Communist government. They haven't even been good Socialists. They all get stuck at the "central government" part of Marx's theoretical "evolution" of society.
And it's easy to see why: once in power, the central government simply doesn't want to give it up.
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Just let it go.
A bunch of people murdered a corrupt government, kicked out foreign gangsters (with political connections otherwise they wouldn't have been so much stink from the USA for so many years), and being a bunch of murderers running a revolution a lot of other people got killed too for a few years afterwards. That's what happens with revolutions when you are revolting against people there and in
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To the best of my knowledge, my comment was simply factual.
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As the son of exiles and someone who knows many families who lost loved ones to the lack of due process, please stop your ignorant rants and stop reading 'Internet Facts' written by the same people that did the atrocities which are all too well known to those that actually lived through it. You are insulting the memory of many people who actually wanted a truly free and democratic Cuba, and were not afraid to speak out against what they knew even back then was just an exchange from one bad dictatorship to a
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You probably never grew up hearing about how great things were before Castro. You didn't grow up hearing about the stories and romanticism of pre-Castro Cuba.
What if we rebranded that as "pre-embargo Cuba"...? Can you be sure that the hardships faced in modern Cuba are the result of the leadership and not the outside world?
And you're of Cuban descent -- big deal. Your family were presumably in the privileged class for whom things were undoubtedly better. You're not going to listen to anyone not of Cuban descent? Fine. But remember, just being "Cuban" doesn't mean you understand everything and everyone in Cuba. I'm sure things are bad, but you can hardly ex
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Castro's revolution had its flaws but he never openly tortured or killed his fellow citizens
No, he left that to Che Guevera.
Re:In other news... (Score:4)
Castro's revolution had its flaws but he never openly tortured or killed his fellow citizens
That is flat out, 100% WRONG. One of my high school friends was from Cuba. Both his father and his uncle were tortured by the Castro regime because they didn't fight on the "right" side. They were lucky they weren't simply shot, but my friend's dad walked with a severe limp for the rest of his life. And Che was a murdering bastard who had a habit of shooting people he only suspected of not being loyal enough.
Know what those Che tshirts are good for? It makes it easy to spot complete morons.
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The status of PoW is very murky in civil wars. Do you want criminals to be protected from execution simply on the grounds they were arrested during a war? The crimes these people were accused of commiting happened before the war on an ongoing basis. They were commiting repeated crimes against the citizens of Cuba, and they were tried for that.
While you may argue that the trials were merely showtrials with a politically pre-determined outcome (I don't know enough on the issue to argue this one either way)
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"torture", "murder" ? Citation needed.
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It is allowed to think the Cubans have a lousy government, and simultaneously believe that the US should not invade them.
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The grandparent AC claimed the US was doing those things in Guantanamo.
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NP, it happens!
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fail. I didn't go to an American school.
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...and yes, I am comparing a REVOLUTION to ANOTHER REVOLUTION.
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He is comparing propaganda to propaganda. Although truth to be told you can't play as Nazis in American shooters so it would be only fair.
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It's quite shocking to see how much worse the opinion Nazis get is worse than those of Soviets. The latter put a great deal of effort into propaganda, and had a chance to continue it for half a century after the former got defeated.
Nazis were evil, sure, but if you look around, most wars in the history of mankind revolved around "our tribe is good, their is bad, they don't deserve to exist, their belongings/land are rightful loot that should be ours". Try reading the Bible, you have an outright order from
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Soviets were not "immediately disbanded" - in fact, they ran the country well into 1920s. Also, the electoral regime established by Bolsheviks favored urban areas (and hence factory workers) over countryside (and hence peasants) by a factor of five, and those identified as bourgeois were stripped of the right to vote, so it was not your typical one man one vote democracy. But then that was the whole point of "dictatorship of the proletariat".
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It's not so far-fetched. Dictatorship of the proletariat on one hand, dictatorship by the National Socialist party on the other hand.
Game engine? (Score:5, Funny)
Shame. The summary doesn't even mention what game engine was used. And you call this news for nerds?
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it was the one they used for Unreal 2003. >:]
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it does sound like an intresting video game premise, though. Lets face in, in American video games, far worst protagonists have been used. I would be intresting to see the graphics and the gameplay, and how the storyline is interpreted.(is it shear campy propaganda, or did they enhance it for media).
The irony is that few of them have computers, and the handful of people who will get to play this will be regime loyalists.
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oh, I figured on it being a ZX81 BASIC Frogger clone...
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oh, I figured on it being a ZX81 BASIC Frogger clone...
Considering their reputation for running 1950's automobiles, I vote Autocoder. Or maybe FORTRAN.
Re:In other news... (Score:5, Interesting)
Look you may not know this, but the Batista government was the bad guy, and was a puppet government propped up by the US after the Spanish American war...you know the one US started so they could get take huge chunks of spanish territory. Before those 82 rebels started their revolution Cuba had the following problems:
75% of rural dwellings were huts made from palm trees.
More than 50% had no toilets of any kind.
85% had no inside running water.
91% had no electricity.
There was only 1 doctor per 2,000 people in rural areas.
More than one-third of the rural population had intestinal parasites.
Only 4% of Cuban peasants ate meat regularly; only 1% ate fish, less than 2% eggs, 3% bread, 11% milk; none ate green vegetables.
The average annual income among peasants was $91 (1956), less than 1/3 of the national income per person.
45% of the rural population was illiterate; 44% had never attended a school.
Now they have a better Literacy, infant mortality and healthcare than the US. I would call that a pretty heroic tale.
Re:In other news... (Score:4, Insightful)
Uhh... Bullshit? It always amazes me that so many people are willing to credulousness accept "statistics" like that from total propaganda. You probably also believed that the Soviet Union was a massive economic powerhouse for it's people in the 80s, right?
Hint: People don't take leaky boats and swim across oceans to get elsewhere because where they live is just too wonderful for them to handle. Try talking to someone who's actually lived in Cuba and then escaped.
Re:In other news... (Score:5, Insightful)
Hint: My working colleagues did not leave the US because it was so great to live there...
Re:In other news... (Score:5, Informative)
Of course they are not as developed as the US, but that's true for most countries. Cuba has a relatively high HDI [wikipedia.org], according to the UN, not the Cuban government.
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People don't do the same thing to escape the wonderful capitalistic democracies of Mexico and various Central American states?
Re:In other news... (Score:4, Informative)
Cuba definitely does have better healthcare than the US, where 50 million people have none.
For instance, Cuba has two and a half more doctors per capita than the US [worldbank.org]
Oh, and here's another datapoint: the table shows literacy levels in Cuba being higher than the USA. [wikipedia.org]
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Dude... 50 million without healthcare.
You know which other first world country doesn't have universal heathcare?
None.
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50 million without health insurance, you mean?
Hard as it is to believe, you can get healthcare without health insurance....
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Ah, I suppose that would be the emergency-room-based healthcare plan, brilliant.
What's your problem? It's the most efficient, effective and humane method of healthcare known to man! Leave it all till it gets chronic and then the tumor is so big that it's really easy to find, you see?
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ER won't treat cancer patients or any chronic disease, also it's highly wasteful for the uninsured to rely on ER for general healthcare, prevention is much cheaper.
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It always amazes me that so many people are willing to credulousness accept "statistics" like that from total propaganda.
All available evidence suggests that your average Cuban is literate, doesn't lose children in infancy, and has access to medical care that international organizations routinely rate as highly effective and remarkably low-cost.
For what it's worth, my mother took several trips to the more rural areas of Cuba in the early 1990's, during the worst of the post-Soviet depression they went through, and the people she met were universally literate, fairly healthy, and had enough to eat. They felt safe enough from the government that they could crack subtle jokes at Fidel Castro's expense in private homes (and yes, they had decently confortable private homes). The core of their health care system was the village doctor who lived just down the block and not only cared for everyone who lived there but also promoted public health and sanitation. The Americans on the trip were not followed around by government minders or anything like that. As part of the same program, several Cubans came to the US, and several other Americans made different trips to Cuba over a decade.
The general impression I get: Florida is a paradise compared to Cuba. Cuba is a paradise compared to Haiti, Hondurus, and many other Latin American countries. GDP per capita tells a pretty clear story: US - $48,000 Cuba - $9,900 Haiti - $1,200 Hondurus - $4,400 (all numbers from CIA estimates)
The other part of the story: The US government and the Cuban exiles in Miami have been demonizing Castro's government for over 50 years, so it's hardly surprising that most Americans have a very warped idea of what Cuba is actually like.
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Health experts from all over the world, including the USA, have inspected Cuba's medical sector.
I've visited 2 health clinics myself (though I'm not a doctor).
Yes, they are that good, free for everyone and everywhere.
Why? Because in Cuba education is king and every other person is a doctor.
Not saying that the country doesn't have a lot of dark secrets, the health sector just isn't one of them. The US has more tropical diseases than Cuba. The #1 health threat to Cubans is the embargo.
That aside, Cuba is an u
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So the nepotic upper middleclass and people who took the chance to run was equal to 10% of the population? How many of those people where even Cuban for that matter?
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If they worked for Batista, or benefited from his ill gotten gains
Even in 1980, a couple of decades later? For example, 125,000 people left Cuba in 1980 when Fidel Castro allowed exile for a brief time. That's long after any Batista allies would have been purged from Cuba.
Re:In other news... (Score:4, Interesting)
they do have a lower infant mortality rate and a higher literacy rate than the US.
I see this statistic cited nearly every time the issue of Cuba comes up, but it's extremely deceptive. There are multiple reasons why the infant mortality rate for the US is higher, including a greater number of premature births, but one reason is that the statistics are calculated differently. In the US, where medical technology is very sophisticated (and very expensive, which is one reason why our health care system is so inefficient), many infants (usually premature) that would be considered stillborn in other countries can be resuscitated and kept on life support. Typically the survival rate isn't great anyway, unfortunately - but they are still recorded as "live births". So our mortality rate is effectively inflated compared to less advanced countries.
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When the Soviet Union collapsed they stopped buying Cuban sugar at subsidized prices. It was that massive economic crash that led to thousands of Cubans leaving crippling poverty. Their form of government doesn't work, they know that, that's why they are privatizing and moving to an open economy.
But do we know why it doesn't work? Remember that the USSR justified* their support as compensation for loss of trade due to the US embargo, and that with the fall of the Soviet Union, they went back to being artificially blocked from open trade. It is not possible to say beyond reasonable doubt that their form of government failed simply because of external intervention.
* Note, I say "justified" -- I'm not saying it wasn't in reality a means to buy military presence in the area.
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Now they have a better Literacy, infant mortality and healthcare than the US. I would call that a pretty heroic tale.
If Cuba is such a paradise, why did the government refuse to issue exit visas to its citizens for decades? Why did it even require exit visas in the first place, for that matter? Most governments don't use border controls to keep people in the country.
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That's a bit much. If we want to compare Jesus with any 20th century figure, you want to look at Gandhi. If we believe any of the speeches attributed to Jesus in the Gospels were true (whether we believe the miracles or not) then they are the writings of a genuinely humble* pacifist. This would also explain why Jesus never hitched up with the various revolutionary groups -- his philosophy left no space for militancy.
* Yes, I know that it seems weird to call someone who reportedly claimed to be the son of
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about the only thing I know about Cuba was the little spat about the Soviets wanting to place land-based nukes there in the 1960s, which almost resulted in me not being born.
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In part, yes viz. the 'clandestine' CIA-abetted effort. Has any evidence surfaced to support the idea that Soviet Union was aware of Mongoose, though? [I don't know; if they were, then that adds to their reasons, particularly for the tac nukes.] SU was also irked at US placing IRBMs in several NATO countries, particularly Turkey, so, gander and goose. From what I recall one of the benefits to SU from placing the missiles was to not only reassure Castro but also to be better able to keep him on a leash -
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Oh, ok. I don't recall coming across that tidbit in print somewhere, before now, of course. I do understand that lots of stuff supposed to be secret may be widely known and that too much of it is classified because "it's supposed to be secret" even when it's not, and that keeping things from the American public is big-time CYA and to prevent embarrassment to some, so TPTB can keep on doing whatever they wish to. I just never knew Mongoose was so widely known and didn't want to make the automatic assumpti
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It's a shame I can't read that since I block URLs for FaceBook's widget server. I forget exactly what domain, but it's not facebook.com. It's some other domain that serves widgets. The reason I do that is because the JavaScript in there was defective and would sometimes go into an infinite loop. I don't know if they ever fixed that, but my pages run more smoothly without these widgets loading. What's really crazy is that the user-facing aspect of it was simply a button. A button that needs to have ac
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I know without clicking the link that I'd be a moron to believe anything in it. You posted a fucking facebook link. You're a moron if you believe anything posted to a facebook link is true in the first place.
Could like to a trusted source, but I know its tainted already so the trusted source is irrelevant.
Its like posting 'proof' that black people are (insert racial remark here) and then as your proof, quoting the KKK newsletter. It just makes you look stupid.
Re:Glorious Revolution (Score:4, Insightful)
You realize when you say something stupid like 'Meruca' you instantly lose everyone in your listener group except the other idiots such as yourself with an axe to grind?
You lose any credence you had instantly and make it clear that you're not out about the truth or facts, you're out to promote your agenda.
If you actually wanted to spread truth, you wouldn't try to drag your own personal agenda into it. You end up letting everyone around you know that your 'facts' aren't trustable.
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Oh, I dunno. There are Americans and there are Merucans. Every country has it's delusional zealots, denialists, self-imposed ignorants. America is not unique in that aspect, we have similar folk in England. (Or Ing-ger-lernd!!! as they like to pronounce it)
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Every single cuban citizen who has to escape in a raft suffering 90 miles of sunburn while traveling a few miles per hour hoping you make it across the Gulf stream quickly so it doesn't carry you far enough into the Atlantic that no one ever finds you. The fact that people live there make the choice to ride a raft with THEIR KIDS in what is essentially their own personal death march should be enough to answer your question.
I use common sense and the actions of the people there to draw my conclusion. You're still trying to argue which political side is right.
10% of the countries population (roughly) has been so distraught that they elected a trip thats got less than a 1% chance of survival over staying and dealing with it.
We punish our soldiers when we find them committing crimes you speak of. Its well known fact (from those who escape the country) that the Cuban army on the other hand do commit those crimes ... and you yourself give an example of them doing so.
America has its own set of issues, but its hard to believe America and Cuba are even on the same planet, putting them in the same class just makes it clear that you have no concept of what you're talking about.
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Hopefully they'll truthfully portray the "freedom fighters" as also being cold blooded murderers who tortured, raped and killed innocent people as well.
That stinking murderer castro is one of them.
What, you mean just like the enthralling Abu Ghraib stage in Call of Duty 4?
Or the level in Ghost Recon 6 where you sneak in and kidnap an unarmed family in the middle of the night, then escort them on a plane to be tortured by a Middle Eastern dictator
Or perhaps the stage at the end of Medal of Honor where you play a British soldier charged with rounding up the Cossacks an Leinz to put them on trucks to the Soviet gulags. In particular, perhaps you are referring to the part where one of your fellow soldie
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You forgot the quotes around freedom.