Nintendo To Cancel Weather, News, and Other Built-In Wii Apps In June 175
damn_registrars writes "Nintendo has announced that at the end of June it will be canceling the services of several of the channels that are built in to the original Wii, including the Weather, News, Everybody Votes, and Mii Contest. This will also affect the WiiConnect24 services, though should not affect the Wii shopping channel. They added: 'Exchange of Wii messages on the Wii Message Board, exchange of Mii characters on the Mii Channel and message/data exchange within some games will be disabled.'"
#dealwithit (Score:4, Insightful)
this is the future of gaming if the publishers get their way.
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#DontCareAboutConsoles_andTheirShittyDRM
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#ShameThisBehaviorIsntLimitedToConsoles
Re:#dealwithit (Score:5, Informative)
this wouldn't have happened if Sony had been harmed by removing OtherOS.
Why is that? This is more like Sony turning off the servers for $multiplayer_game than it is them removing OtherOS.
Not saying it's right, only that it is a different scenario.
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One was the removal of an advertised feature of the console. The other is the removal of an advertised feature of the console. That's how it's similar.
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For a car analogy, radios and tires are both advertised features of cars. But if car companies discovered that they could remove the radio after purchase and get away with it, and after years of doing so, one car company decides to remove the tires, and causes a huge outrage, I cannot see that having an impact on future radio removals. On
did people really use them? (Score:5, Insightful)
i had a wii years ago and after setting these up out f curiosity i never used these services
the GUI for anything but gaming is pretty limited by the controller
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well the thing is what is puzzling me is that aren't they still supplying these services for the wii-u? how much can it cost them to keep electricity going on the apps??
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Yes. As in, "If you still want these services, go buy a Wii U." I'm reminded of when Microsoft cut off the original XBox from XBox Live.
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Yes.
More like no.
The apps were already unavailable in the Wii U's backwards compatibility mode
So unless they are floating around somewhere in standard Wii U mode, they are not providing, and according to TFA, have never provided, those services for the Wii U.
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Except that was because the Xbox was holding back Xbox Live development - all for the thousand or so people (900 of which were playing Halo 2, the rest a few other games). At the time, that meant the other hundreds of thousands on Xbox Live suffer because they're stuck with the original Xbox's limitations.
Plus, it came after many years after the Xbox360 came out - until then, Microsoft worked around the limits of the original Xbox. Heck
Re:did people really use them? (Score:5, Interesting)
I had a surprisingly good time spinning the globe and looking at weather around the world, and zooming in and out and learning a little geography along the way. I spent a good amount of time with it, to be honest. That was the great thing about it -- it was just a really nice 3D-ish/VR-ish globe that you could zoom in and out of, like Google Maps, and the weather was a hook or a bonus. That said, the Wii has spent the last few years in a kid's room so I haven't been on it much since the first few months after Christmas all those years ago.
The apps are already built and they just need a source of data -- I wish they'd partner with Yahoo or someone and keep them going. The older kid just moved out and the Wii just made its triumphant return to the living room. I'm genuinely sad about this news. I'm not, like, all broken up about it, but it's like when a show you like gets cancelled, or when the lead singer of a band dies.
Re:did people really use them? (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm genuinely sad about this news
My kids will be crushed, especially with the Mii contest going away. The spend as much time inventing and sharing Miis as they do playing the games.
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I had a surprisingly good time spinning the globe and looking at weather around the world, and zooming in and out and learning a little geography along the way. I spent a good amount of time with it, to be honest. That was the great thing about it -- it was just a really nice 3D-ish/VR-ish globe that you could zoom in and out of, like Google Maps.
I did the exact same thing. I used to zoom all the way out until you saw outer space and stars behind Earth, then I'd spin the globe around like Superman.
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I noticed that if you hook up the classic pad, you can control the pointer with the thumbsticks.
If you were put off by the GUI interface's pointer requiring you to aim the wiimote at the screen, this might alleviate the developer strain involved.
Considering that the Wii is totally a hacker's paradise now (threat of new, crippling firmware is basically officially over) and that it has good USB2.0 ports on the back, and a fairly mature homebrew toolchain, I would think that this is the starting shot to see lo
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I never used them, but now they're the most important thing in the world! ;)
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Sure, but this is the beginning of the end, and not just for the Wii but for the 360 and PS3 as well. For now it's just some data channels, but soon the servers for online multiplayer will go and so will the DRM servers for all the games you bought through the various online stores. Maybe they will be kind and let you continue to play them offline, but if your Wii ever dies you won't be able to re-download the stuff you paid for.
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You can't do that now. Nintendo game downloads are tied to the console, not an account.
If your Wii dies and you don't want to lose the games you bought on it, you have to send it in to Nintendo for repair. Same with the DSi, 3DS, etc.
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I never used them beyond the first couple of days that they were brought online. The novelty was fun but it quickly became a hassle to fire up the system and TV (and then wait for the app to launch) to check the weather forecast that I can have in a matter of seconds using my computer. I think the weather application only updated itself every 8 hours, which is kind of useless with Weather Channel always being right up-to-date.
Re:For that matter... (Score:4)
I'm just anecdotal evidence, but I have always seen plenty of WiiU boxes on the floor at my local Best Buy. I don't think sales have been as brisk as they've hoped, and I personally believe there intentionally poor distribution to cause the illusion of shortages to defend the poor sales. Anyone who wanted one could pick up a phone and discover there was a stack of them here.
I recall when the Wii was released, no matter who you called, nobody had it.
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I recall when the Wii was released, no matter who you called, nobody had it.
Not just right around launch time, but for over a year.
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They need some games. If Nintendo can come out with exclusives like Mario Kart and Zelda and Super Mario Galaxy for Wii U, then it will start to take off. Right now, the only great game is Mario. Everything else is just OK to poor.
They may succeed yet if Microsoft and Sony continue in their game console missteps, but I'm betting that Ouya takes off in a big way.
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I just wish it was not a half baked platform. The big display remotes should be seperate screens so that Mario Kart would have the Big TV a overhead display and the remote is your driving display, or, status information control display with a 4 split screen on the big TV..
Re:For that matter... (Score:4, Informative)
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Lego City Undercover is an absolutely fantastic game that's WiiU exclusive.
There are some other good games, but most of them are multiplatform, so they're not a reason to get a WiiU.
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Nintendoland is very good. ZombiU is very good. But I agree, more good games are needed.
Translation ... (Score:4, Insightful)
Since nobody actually uses these things, we're turning them off.
Back when I had a Wii, in order to get these network services, you essentially had to set the device to never turn off. And that was something I deemed as pointless and a waste of power.
And, really, who needs to get the weather and news on the Wii?
But, somehow everybody seems to keep acting as if the game console is going to become your internet hub.
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and then you got the idiots who are saying that Nintendo is dying and closing up shop as a result of cutting these services... that I 100% agree nobody uses. Articles like this just bring out the trolls.
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It's Slashdot -- there's always trolls, it doesn't matter what the article is. :-P
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Ya I've been posting on here for a bit, I'm just saying that at least at the time of my posting that the trolls out numbered any legitimate posts like... 5 to 1?
They didn't load the wording... but the editors excluded oh say the reasons for the cancellations completely, and... those that RTFA would know that at least for now this is a Japan ONLY move. Headers / summaries / articles like this are a cancer imho, and just the editors demonstrating they can herd the sheeple through fear and rage.
Anyways, I'll
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Ya I've been posting on here for a bit, I'm just saying that at least at the time of my posting that the trolls out numbered any legitimate posts like... 5 to 1?
That's pretty much the internet in a nutshell. Or, more realistically, life in general.
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Since nobody actually uses these things, we're turning them off.
Back when I had a Wii, in order to get these network services, you essentially had to set the device to never turn off. And that was something I deemed as pointless and a waste of power.
And, really, who needs to get the weather and news on the Wii?
But, somehow everybody seems to keep acting as if the game console is going to become your internet hub.
They're just glorified RSS readers. How much does it really cost to maintain them? How many new functionality changes are they expecting? Are we planning to discover a new type of weather or something?
It smacks of Nintendo being a little bit of a tightwad over it, especially considering that anyone going out of their way to use a Wii to get this information is more aware of it and more likely to play a game on it, too.
Re:Translation ... (Score:5, Funny)
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Well, the contrary point is the Wii is now 6+ years old, which means they're starting to wind it down.
Nintendo is hardly the first company to do that.
Apple dropped support for the original iPad after barely 2 years (much to my nuisance), people find themselves with phones that don't get updates any more, the Sega and Amiga platforms don't really exist any more, and I'm sure lots of video games have stopped working when the company pulls the servers.
Technology ages, companies decide they don't want to spend
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Sega stopped because they didn't have the money to continue, which is completely different.
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Back when I had a Wii, in order to get these network services, you essentially had to set the device to never turn off. And that was something I deemed as pointless and a waste of power.
And at least some models suffered from the disc drive spinning constantly when it was in standby mode and burning out, so you didn't want to leave it on with a disc in. Really made the power button on the remote useful.
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Back when I had a Wii, in order to get these network services, you essentially had to set the device to never turn off. And that was something I deemed as pointless and a waste of power.
I own two different White Wii consoles and neither has needed to be left on continually to use these services. You can power it down completely and you'll get the weather and news in 1-2 minutes at most after powering it back up.
That said, the Wii is the most power efficient console on the market by a long shot. The Wii uses much less power when fully running than the XBox360 or PS3 use when idle. In fact IIRC the PS3 uses more power while sleeping than the Wii does while running. If you want to ca
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Hmmm, if this [wikipedia.org] is DLNA, then I'm not interested.
I'll handle my own digital files without help from Sony thanks, because Sony won't have been interested in what I want, just what they want. And I don't care what Sony wants, not even a little.
And when XBox 360 started to put ads in games and the home screen -- my XBox got disconnected from the internet and will never be connected again. It sounds like I w
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Um, DLNA is, specifically, for working with your own digital files.
Example:
PS3 as a MythTV frontend due to MythTV's ability to act as a DLNA server
PS3 streaming video files from a PC if you have a PC-based DLNA server such as MediaTomb installed
(less common case) - Bring an Android device with some media to a friends' house, fire up Skifta on it, and serve up that media to a friend's PS3.
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PS3 as a inferior MythTV frontend compared to a $39.00 Raspberry Pi.
No thanks, I'll buy the superior Raspberry Pi for media consumption from MythTV and XBMC.
If you've already bought a PS3 to play PS3 games (Score:2)
PS3 as a inferior MythTV frontend compared to a $39.00 Raspberry Pi.
If you've already bought a PS3 to play PS3 games, then its inferior MythTV frontend costs $0.00 extra. A Raspberry Pi, on the other hand, costs $39.00 extra plus shipping.
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That and the fact that the PS3 supports more formats than the RPi for playback, not counting the fact that you can play games on it. Plus RPi doesn't do Netflix or Amazon Instant Video.
Stuck at a desk (Score:2)
If I want to watch YouTube, I have other devices which still connect to my network.
Are these "other devices" connected to displays the size of a living room TV, or are they stuck on a 19-23" desktop computer monitor? I'm told [slashdot.org] there aren't a lot of people willing to hook a PC up to a TV. Or has this changed recently?
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Several of them can display onto my 55" HDTV, some of them have their own display. There's shockingly little on YouTube or anywhere else I'd need on something bigger than my 24" computer screen, but if I need to I can.
If I wanted to, I could probably buy a long HDMI cable and display my computer to that screen as well.
I have no idea
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Audience members' use case for viewing works (Score:2)
If 19-23" is good enough for the user, then probably. If not, they've probably hooked it up to a larger display.
I've noticed a correlation: a small monitor for small budget works and a large monitor for large budget works. Producers of large budget works tend to have more marketing money to get into the walled gardens (BD and Netflix for movies, console app stores for games) supported by devices marketed for connecting to large screens. It's easier to view small budget works on PCs, but PCs are generally not marketed for connecting to large screens.
Why does somebody else's use case for media consumption matter to you?
Somebody else's use case for viewing works would matter to a producer
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Of course the console makers want that to be true, because they all want an internet connected device to be a gold mine of revenue.
But, ask yourself, if it was successful and profitable, would Nintendo be closing this service?
This to me sounds like either usage of the Wii is declining so much nobody uses it on the internet, or the actual usage of the Wii us just as good as ever, but
Letter from Nintendo (Score:2)
Dear Loyal Customers,
Fuck U
Waaahaa!,
Nintendo
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Are you saying you use weather, news, and everybody votes? I get that there must be somebody who does, but do you?
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My kids sometimes like everybody votes, but it'll hardly ruin the Wii for them when it's gone.
Weather App (Score:1)
I liked the weather app on the Wii....
But, how odd when you still have the Wii console on sale in retail store shelves and you're ending support?
It seems like they are pulling the plug a bit early.
Life in a connected world (Score:3)
I've sold my wii probably 3 years ago I wasn't playing it but those were features that I once enjoyed. I'm disappointed that as a console reaches it's end of life that the company can just go and switch off services for it. I know these are added features that don't hinder game play but it still seems like they are taking something people have paid for away. I realize that online services can be costly but this disconnection seems premature. The WiiU only came out at the end of last year and 6 months later they are starting to abandon services on the previous one. That's a shame. In this case I think how Microsoft supports it's products is better. Give it and end of life time frame like their OS's get. Maybe I missed the news but it seems rather abrupt to me and rather soon after the release of the WiiU.
More Information (Score:5, Informative)
Who referenced Nintendo's "Japan" website: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/support/information/2013/0412.html [nintendo.co.jp]
And that website in English: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nintendo.co.jp%2Fsupport%2Finformation%2F2013%2F0412.html [google.com]
Welcome to the cloud (Score:5, Insightful)
I see various posts on here talking about how nobody used those features, or how this is normal EOL, or even berating Nintendo for doing this. But this is not an issue specific to the Wii, Nintendo, or even to consoles in general. This is the future of cloud based computing combined with locked down devices.
As long as we allow the manufacturers of devices (whether it be a gaming console, a tablet, a phone, or even a desktop PC) to control what software we run and what services we connect to, we do not own the device. The manufacturer does, and they can (and have repeatedly proven they will) remove features at their whim.
Unfortunately people haven't learned from the many, many examples in the past, and they keep lining up to thrown money at companies who are actively hostile toward their user base. Until that stops, nothing will change.
If you want ANY feature on a device, you better be sure that you have enough control of the device, and of the service supporting it, that the manufacturer can't remove it, because if they can, they will. It's only a question of when.
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If you don't have the source, you are giving up control. That might be worth it to you, but you should know what you are giving up.
Re:Welcome to the cloud (Score:4, Insightful)
It's only a problem with software that doesn't live in your butt [github.com] if that software requires you to phone in, or has an auto-update feature that you can't disable. Otherwise, while sure you might not have complete control over its behavior, you *can* at least guarantee that it will always have the *same* behavior... why I don't like software that silently auto-updates, instead of at least prompting.
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Um no, its a problem with ALL software. However cloud apps are the worst as they measure lifetimes in months and are not depending on the os becoming obsolete for the application to be obsolete.
While I agree with your sentiment, open source software, to a non developer (read 95% of people) is just as useless. If oracle decides to stop supporting mysql, how is a non programmer supposed to find and fix security problems for instance? So any non program
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If oracle decides to stop supporting mysql, how is a non programmer supposed to find and fix security problems for instance?
They can pay a programmer. If they can't afford it, they're probably programmers using mySQL anyway.
Now, you may say it's too expensive to pay a programmer. And indeed, the options are more limited for non-programmers. But the options available in your scenario are MUCH nicer than for a closed source project, where options might not exist at all.
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That's a nice political soundbite - but it's bullshit in this case. Even if you had the source to the weather app... you don't have the servers it pulls data from. Even if you have the server code - you almost certainly don't have a license from the companies providing the data.
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Irritating (Score:2)
It is irritating to hear of companies doing this because basically they do it just to disrupt someones routine. These services cost the company very little to operate as they were being run on a cloud where where they consume insubstaintial resources and only when the services are actually used. Its hard to believe they will save anything from this.
How Much Does It Cost? (Score:2)
I miss the days of having consoles that didn't have retroactive feature loss.
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I miss the days of having consoles that didn't have retroactive feature loss.
I can't think of an internet-connected console that didn't have that fault. And of course you can still use the Wii just fine without these features, they have no impact on game play whatsoever.
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Lets say it costs 1 dollar.
That is 1 dollar less that they can use for something else.
If it costs $1 to keep this story off of Slashdot, engadget and joystiq then it's worth it. If it costs $10 million, not so much. That's why knowing the cost of this service would be helpful.
"Nintendo to cancel weather, news" (Score:5, Funny)
For a moment, I seriously wondered whether they could do that. But if anyone could cancel the weather, and the news, it'd probably be Nintendo.
Netflix will still live on...? (Score:3)
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I use Wii Fit - great exercise program.
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Netflix, Amazon Instant Video, Hulu Plus, and all the others like them. And it's nice that the Wii uses less power than the XBOX # or PS# units.
Even the old Wii with the non component video cable is good enough video quality to be enjoyable on my 42" TV. $5 or so later after I get the component video cable I expect it will look even better.
If some day this Wii dies due to heat death or a bad cap or something I'll look at a roku or similar and I'll look at the Wii U. Considering we already have old Wii games
One Nice Thing About the Wii (Score:2)
Soooo... anything important? (Score:2)
The cynic in me would say "Gee, why not the shopping channel? Guess everything but 'buy more crap' gets the axe", but then again, yes, that's pretty much it. Shopping channel may make a dime or two, but the rest ... who needs it? Weather channel? Flip the TV channel over to the one that is actually relevant for you, where's the need for a weather channel on a Wii? Same goes for news and the rest, you can't even argue that you lose anything that you didn't already have in another way, essentially, it was sur
Meh (Score:2)
Used in some hotels to run lobby screens. (Score:2)
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There's a simple answer to that.
Most weather sites have "stickers" and embedded options, and Wunderground even have an API for custom coding. The answer is to host a webpage somewhere and use the Wii's built in Opera browser to display the info from a custom page. You could go cheesy and just use an already made applet, or several from various sources, or make a custom page overall.
I'm actually going to miss this function, I didn't use it much and it showed nearby cities, but not mine., but I did use it o
Simple Solution (Score:2)
Re:So essentially on June 28, 2013..... (Score:4, Insightful)
Or, you know, people could still use it to, oh let's see ... play games?
I doubt that the networking features are the most used aspects of these consoles.
Re:So essentially on June 28, 2013..... (Score:5, Insightful)
Not antiquated, just different from yours.
I won't connect a game console to the internet, because that brings absolutely no benefit to me that I've been able to discover.
The XBox and EA have shown me the future of network connected gaming consoles, and it involves advertisements and DRM.
I don't play any on-line games because I don't want to, because I have no need to have my ass handed to me by a 9 year old, and because I only game a little.
You can feel free to provide an advertising platform, an opportunity to monetize all aspects of game play, and have EA tell you how and when you can use your video game, not to mention the trove of personal information they probably tie to your online account.
But they've already demonstrated that networking quickly turns into a negative feature. I'm not paying full price for a game and paying for my internet connection so they can put ads into the game console. I value my privacy and peace a little more than that. MS and EA already showed me that it's all about them and maximizing revenues, not giving me the best gaming experience.
In fact, I don't believe a single one of my friends has their XBox of PS3 connected to their network. Either because they've got modded consoles, don't want to see ads, or don't play games online.
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Yes, because of a few fluff features that weren't often used being disabled, the Wii is a boat anchor.
Sure.
Right.
It was already doorstop if you didn't care about the games that were on it, which is the primary point of the damn thing. This doesn't change anything.
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They're removing services for an outdated and redundant console- this is far from closing up shop (in fact, based on the article, the shop is specifically left open!)
Currently and regrettably, they're following the same trend that many publishers are- with the new and improved version out, they're shuttering the old one. Who needs all this on the Wii when the Wii U is out? Thankfully these functions were little more than a novelty anyway rather than an actual game, but this is the reality of the world we li
Re:Is Nintendo starting to close up shop? (Score:5, Insightful)
Outdated? You could still buy a new Wii through normal retail channels in 2012 (maybe you still can). Less than a year of support is the standard now? That's shameful. Not that I know anyone who uses a wii for news and weather, but still.
Re:Is Nintendo starting to close up shop? (Score:5, Informative)
The voting was fun though.
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Agreed! My daughters spent more time voting and drawing Miis than they did playing the games.
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The replacement Wii-only compatible hardware coming only plays Wii games. It's a Wii-lite with no online component, that is the motivation for canceling the Wii services. Otherwise, they could have just left them running as "lite" versions of the data they push to Wii U.
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Unless I've missed something recently, this Wii-lite is only sold in Canada so far. The standard Wii with full online access is sold everywhere else, including in Canada alongside the new Wii Mini.
Re: Is Nintendo starting to close up shop? (Score:3, Interesting)
Part of me wonders if this is because these are the exact features the Wii U doesn't support in its Wii mode, so it removes a reason someone might replace their broken Wii with a new Wii instead of a Wii U... but I also wonder how many zombie-Wiis are out there, downloading weather and new Miis every night, even though they haven't been turned on in years. It
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You can buy a lot of old crap in the stores after the new ones are announce. I can go out right now and get a new mobile phone plan with a Samsung Galaxy S2, new, not refurbished. That phone is no longer supported. Not only is a it's successor on the market but it's about to become obsolete too.
Why anyone would go and buy a Wii knowing full well the Wii U was just getting released and then EXPECT long term support is beyond me. It really is outdated in every sense of the word.
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Why anyone would go and buy a Wii knowing full well the Wii U was just getting released and then EXPECT long term support is beyond me. It really is outdated in every sense of the word.
Because not everyone knew full well a new Wii U was coming out. You are by definition of this site a technical person, therefore you tend to keep up with trends in the tech market. You knew a Wii U was coming, but the average Joe who picked up a steal of a Wii on sale back at Christmas for his kids because he couldn't afford it earlier in his job as a laborer is not going to be thrilled about this.
I tend to agree with others here; this is expected and normal behaviour... but only a few months after the rele
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I'm sorry but Joe Average can not conceivably think that a 6 year old device won't be replaced shortly. Joe Way-Below-Average maybe which also explains why someone wasn't able to afford the single cheapest console on the market for 6 years. But no normal person has been screwed by Nintendo here.
Not to mention that they dropped support for something that is incredibly minor in the nintendo universe. Seriously I've used the weather app once, out of curiosity. No one buys a wii just so they can watch the weath
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Thankfully these functions were little more than a novelty anyway rather than an actual game, but this is the reality of the world we live in now. We can't keep servers running forever for outdated things- and the difference between this and what EA usually does is, these services were up and around a lot longer, heh.
Ok, I know we're not originally talking game servers here, but your comments about the world we live in brings up a point. We need to work more on peer-to-peer tech. Not to pirate these always-online games, but to push the cost of running a game server onto the users. If each player pays a little bit in CPU, disk space, and bandwidth, a currency they're already willing to expend just playing the game in the first place, then as long as there are people playing, there will be servers. Of course this won't ha
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It's funny that there are plenty of legitimate gripes about the Wii U, but you fail to mention any of them.
--Jeremy
Re:Is Nintendo starting to close up shop? (Score:5, Informative)
You are interested in a Wii U yet you call the Wii outdated...
You do realize the Wii U is simply a Wii with 720p and a overpriced external screen that does nothing except show you what is on the TV.
By which you mean a Wii with a better CPU and GPU, 1080p, and an external screen that can act independently of what's shown on the TV [wikipedia.org], right? I know, I know, it's a common mistake to get absolutely everything wrong. Must be your crippling Alzheimer's.
Bro, do you even troll?
Re:Is Nintendo starting to close up shop? (Score:5, Funny)
You do realize* the Wii U is simply a Wii
With an updated CPU and GPU and a lot more RAM.
with 720p
1080p.
and an overpriced
Says you.
external screen that does nothing except show you what is on the TV
...or anything else the system wants to show, and is also an input device.
I was going to get one until I realized it offered nothing at all over the Wii.
It may not offer enough for you, but it's just being churlish to suggest that that equates to "nothing." You sound like Grandpa Simpson when he said that a fax machine is nothing but a waffle iron with a phone attached.
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the only thing I've heard about wii-u from my gamer friends is that if you post enough dick picks on a drawing multiplayer game you'll get a ban. it's seriously lacking in titles that would make it worthwhile.
and for some reason, I've yet to see a game graphics wise that could not have been a wii title.the display in the controller would be fun if it supported more than one(the vmu's in dreamcast was great for party games!).
one peculiar thing about the wii-u though: WHAT THE FUCK DOES THE OS NEED 1 GIG OF R
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and for some reason, I've yet to see a game graphics wise that could not have been a wii title
Oh you mean like apart from the basic release titles? Maybe you have rose coloured glasses on or you just don't remember but the Wii was incredibly underpowered. Sure you could make Super Mario Wii-U run on the Wii content wise, but without the high def graphics, environmental lighting, or any of the other eye-candy that makes it look different from it's predecessor.
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I honestly thought he died back in the 90's.