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After Riots In France, Macron Partially Blames Video Games On Violence (npr.org) 108

President Emmanuel Macron is partially blaming video games for the spread of violence in France following the shooting death of a teenager during a police traffic stop in a Paris suburb last week. NPR reports: "It sometimes feels like some of them are experiencing, on the streets, the video games that have intoxicated them," Macron said in a press conference on July 1. He added that protesters are using Snapchat and TikTok to organize themselves and spread "a mimicking of violence, which for the youngest leads to a kind of disconnect from reality." Concerns that video games promote shootings, massacres or rioting are now about half a century old; it has been traced back to the 1976 release of Death Race, an arcade video game which put players behind the wheel of a car to mow down humanoid figures for points. The argument gained renewed traction in the 1990s with the release of much more realistic first-person shooter games. It is an old bogeyman that politicians have latched onto in the wake of horrific tragedies. But it has become less common as troves of studies have largely concluded there is no causal link between video games and violent behavior.

Christopher Ferguson, a professor at Stetson University in Florida who has studied the impact of such games on the public, said he is surprised at Macron's comments. The president is 45 years old and belongs to a generation raised with video games, so "seeing him mention this is almost anachronistic," Ferguson said, sounding perplexed. "The evidence is very clear. Whatever may be going on in France, whatever violence is occurring, it certainly is not due to violence in video games." Decades of research, especially long-term experiments spanning decades, have consistently found "that playing violent video games, do not cause even prank-level aggressive behaviors, let alone violent crimes," Ferguson said. He also noted that the overall violent crime in the U.S. dropped significantly between 1993 and 2020, the same period during which violent video games soared in popularity.

And it's not just in the United States. A 2019 study out of Oxford University determined that early violent video game playing among British teenagers does not predict serious or violent criminal behavior later in life. According to Ferguson, if video games were the cause of rampant violence, then countries like Japan, South Korea and the Netherlands, which consume more violent video games per capita, would be rife with bloodshed. "Instead, they're three of the most peaceful countries on the planet in terms of violent crime," he said. "You could wave a magic wand and take all these people's video games away, and that's not going to have any effect in any way going to help their lives and reduce their aggression," Ferguson said. So why do politicians turn to the familiar refrain? Ferguson said it is a way for elected leaders to shift the blame away from failing government policies. "It gets people talking about the wrong thing. They're thinking about video games. They're not thinking about gun control or whatever inequalities are happening in France," Ferguson said.

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After Riots In France, Macron Partially Blames Video Games On Violence

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  • Qix (Score:4, Funny)

    by Joce640k ( 829181 ) on Friday July 07, 2023 @08:34PM (#63667051) Homepage

    I was a Qix addict in my youth. This new causal link explains a lot of things.

    (also Sinistar, is that a bad combination?)

  • by Blightor ( 5895752 ) on Friday July 07, 2023 @08:38PM (#63667059)
    I mean I cannot blame the people for this.

    Using special powers to reject the democratic vote of parliament during peacetime on a matter than clearly isn't what the people want either, had created what we all should expect to see - A rejection of law and government by the people.
    • yes and it's utterly racist and islamaphobic to blame the 'new french' for any of this.

    • by Bruce66423 ( 1678196 ) on Saturday July 08, 2023 @04:29AM (#63667619)

      But it is untrue to say that 'special powers to reject the democratic vote of parliament during peacetime' is undemocratic. The legislature COULD have voted down the package of pension reform, but its members chose not to.

    • Or maybe it's because of decades of systematic racism & abuse? There's even a 1995 award winning film about the situation, starring a young Vincent Cassel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

      But yeah, you could blame video games... but since zombie games, films, & TV shows have been all the rage in recent years, I'd expect at least a few incidents of the protesters devouring the police.
    • Why do you specify "during peacetime"? Is it okay for a president to do something like this when the country is at war?

      If so, maybe think about why that is. Is it because voters don't think rationally when the stakes are high? And then: do you think that the stakes are not high in this case? Stakes can be pretty high during peacetime. Just look at Brexit. Or how the US contemplates suicide every time the debt ceiling comes up. Would it be okay for the president to overrule congress if they decided to des
  • Contrarian opinion (Score:5, Interesting)

    by rmdingler ( 1955220 ) on Friday July 07, 2023 @08:40PM (#63667067) Journal

    I don't begin to suggest that violence in video games desensitizes people to violence in the Real World, but analytically, it doesn't likely make people more attuned to courtesy and uncommon decency, either.

    I know for sure every young man was trying to box outside the theatre after watching the 1st Rocky movie. I remember when carjacking & school shootings didn't exist, and then someone did one with full media coverage, and there were many more to follow.

    Everything I needed to know, I learned in Kindergarten. Monkey see, monkey do.

    • Unless someone goes on a shooting spree. Then it’s never video games.

    • Long before school shootings, there were school bombings. [smithsonianmag.com]

      School shootings get a lot of publicity because they are horrifying and of course we really, really hate it when kids are hurt. That's exactly why shooters pick schools, to hit us where it really, really hurts. That, and the relative lack of armed security in such schools. But, the cold hard truth is, death by school shooting is a vanishingly small cause of death in the USA. The numbers are so low, that "school shooting" doesn't even show up [wikipedia.org] in co

      • I think you took the bait and didn't notice the hook. I don't think there's that much that can or should be done about school shootings that isn't already done. The idea of yet another restrictive law or regulation every time there's a shooting is ridiculous. I think we are way past the point of diminishing returns and into the territory of causing more harm than good with meddling.

        Violent crimes will never completely go away, and those people who think they can eliminate them are selfishly profiting off

      • by Creepy ( 93888 )

        True, and long before the game Postal, there were postal workers going "postal" to murder coworkers. I've been playing Murder Macron in His Place of Work and having extremely dark thoughts, maybe I'll car bomb his house.

        And damn, if you don't get sarcasm, please, please take 5 minutes to look up the word. Up until a minute ago, I wasn't sure if Macron ran France or Canada. Sorry, I forgot, you are that important.

    • I don't begin to suggest that violence in video games desensitizes people to violence in the Real World, but analytically, it doesn't likely make people more attuned to courtesy and uncommon decency, either.

      What about action movies?

      • by fazig ( 2909523 )
        It's really that Dungeon & Dragons game that the kids play. I turns them into Satan worshipers who listen to rock music!
    • Carjacking was only formally identified as a crime in the USA in 1992. I can remember seeing carjacking in US black and white gangster films. I can't imagine it was a 1990s invention.

      Everything I needed to know, I learned in Kindergarten. Monkey see, monkey do.

      Anyone who believes this really should read up on Albert Bandura's work on observational learning: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] tl;dr - It's waaay more complex & we see that the vast majority of people who grew up around violence reject it outright because they also grow up with the consequences.

      An alternative expla

    • There's no question that we our influenced by the media which we consume, but how exactly we are influenced is more complicated than just imitating what we see. This is the principle problem with finger pointing by politicians, they need something simple which they can turn into an easy talking point. A slogan for people to chant. Anything with greater complexity than can be expressed in a Twitter post is unsuitable.

      Let me offer a suggestion: there is a problem with violence in our media (including video
  • The Civil War in France [youtube.com]

    If diversity is a strength, why do things always get objectively worse as a society is made diverse?
  • Bad Title (Score:5, Insightful)

    by YetAnotherDrew ( 664604 ) on Friday July 07, 2023 @08:59PM (#63667089)
    "Blames Video Games On Violence" means violence caused the video games. That was not Macron's assertion.
  • by ndsurvivor ( 891239 ) on Friday July 07, 2023 @09:03PM (#63667095)
    All Macron has to do is to give an example on how the system failed the people in the past, how things are not "perfect" at the moment, how things will be better in the future. How there will be some corrective action taken. I think that is what people want to hear, it is what I want to hear.
    • Macron is a sick joke. Whatever happens, he blames the people. Pandemic? Lock and track them instead of asking them to help. Pension? Have them work longer instead how improving the working conditions. Violence? Point the finger at video games instead of changing life in the projects. There's a pattern of tragic social illiteracy here, fueled by the uttermost arrogance.
  • by sinkskinkshrieks ( 6952954 ) on Friday July 07, 2023 @09:21PM (#63667127)
    Macron, thet neoliberal buffoon, conducts himself as an armchair amateur social psychologist absolutely brilliantly. He will solve all of the world's problems including climate change by requiring all video games to express only toxic positivity. What a genius!
    • Neoliberal buffoon... You have no idea what you are talking about...
    • by UpnAtom ( 551727 )

      You're a rare left-wing anti-Macron guy, unless you live here. And you don't sound like you do.

      Most of Macron's difssenters are French. They can't really explain why they don't like Macron -- it's mostly French politics to hate the incumbent.

      He's the only leader who tried to create the peace a lot of you left-winger's go on about.

      France is an outlier in terms of rioting. It's a socialist paradise if you're white, straight etc yet they riot about 5x more than any other country. The rioters are generally

  • Responsibility (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Retired Chemist ( 5039029 ) on Friday July 07, 2023 @09:24PM (#63667129)
    Anything to avoid taking responsibility for the way he and his predecessors have screwed up. A combination of unfunded and undertrained police and governments unwilling to stand up to violence is the cause. There were no video games when the first French Revolution happened. He can always hope to be luckier than Louis XVI and get to keep his head attached.
    • There were no video games when the first French Revolution happened. He can always hope to be luckier than Louis XVI and get to keep his head attached.

      If there had been video games the famous saying would be "Let them play video games!"

  • He's right. Kids shouldn't learn about violence from video games. They should learn it from the government. Right and proper.

  • He probably learned it taking some geriatric pipe from putin. Seriously this guy is an empty suit. He has an almost perfect record for getting a situation wrong. How can anyone read the room so badly and still get elected?
    • by Pieroxy ( 222434 ) on Saturday July 08, 2023 @04:39AM (#63667629) Homepage

      How can anyone read the room so badly and still get elected?

      Simple. The competition was worse.

    • by dddux ( 3656447 )

      What I will never be able to get is how the f all these airhead politicians get elected, and why is such big majority of people still so gullible, even after seeing politicians do everything but keep their empty promises. Anyone can make a sweet speech to attract the voters, but the only thing that matters is what they do after being elected. Having said that, what is completely, insufferably incomprehensible is when the same airheads get elected twice. I mean what about "fool me once - shame on you, fool m

  • The only thing ever found in actual studies is the opposite effect.

  • And it's ... drumroll ... video games!

    Not a failed decolonization, not stuffing people into projects on the periphery of cities, not using them as cheap and expendable labor, not giving them zero chance for an upwards social mobility, not having them deal with perpetual racism, not ...

    What you have here is not too different from what the US was facing and still in some part is. It's the same racial problem the US has. These people are not some sort of immigrant who "have no right to be here". What you're de

    • And it's ... drumroll ... video games!

      The classics never go out of style.

    • by peppepz ( 1311345 ) on Saturday July 08, 2023 @02:43AM (#63667525)
      It's not that I agree with Macron or disagree in general with your comment, but I think that you're simlplifying too much.

      Not a failed decolonization, not stuffing people into projects on the periphery of cities, not using them as cheap and expendable labor,

      In Europe only the rich live in city centers. Most people live in the periphery. The cars and the shops that the protesters are destroying belong to people who live in the periphery as well, and probably it was everything they had managed to build in a life of work.

      What you have here is not too different from what the US was facing and still in some part is. It's the same racial problem the US has. These people are not some sort of immigrant who "have no right to be here". What you're dealing with is people who came from the former colonies to France when France decided to abandon them. And these people are French. They always were. They came to France and back in the 60s when France had a need for cheap labor (like most of Europe), they were very welcome. They were stuffed into housing projects that were quickly slapped together at the periphery of the cities (after all, who wants to deal with "those" people as neighbors, right?), in housing that was even at the time substandard and which saw little, if any, improving.

      They were never taken by force into France as animals and made to work for free to build France's economy, as it was done to African Americans. They came to France by their own will, looking for a better future. Their colonies weren't "abandoned" by France, it's them who rejected to be part of France, and rightly so.

      These people were pretty much left alone by the state, barely accepting their existence.

      France has a generous welfare state, it's no neoliberal paradise.

      • France is a very special case in Europe. People in the French colonies were French. They were not forcefully taken to France, but they were forcefully made French. This had a nontrivial effect on the general sentiments towards the people in Africa, and of course, hey, if I'm French already anyway, I can as well go to France proper which is, and there's very little arguing here, more developed than any of their colonies were. Especially if you were already working for a French company, staying wasn't really

  • "After Riots In France, Macron Partially Blames Video Games On Violence " Yeah, there's violence in France, so people... create video games?
  • Christopher Ferguson, a professor at Stetson University in Florida who has studied the impact of such games on the public, [...] So why do politicians turn to the familiar refrain? Ferguson said it is a way for elected leaders to shift the blame away from failing government policies. "It gets people talking about the wrong thing. They're thinking about video games. They're not thinking about gun control

    ...in a nation (France) that makes it difficult to impossible for its citizens to possess firearms. I guess the American professor thinks the problem is that French gendarmes shouldn't be armed with handguns. Could he possibly be suggesting that "gun control" is a failed policy to reduce deadly violence? /s

  • by oldgraybeard ( 2939809 ) on Friday July 07, 2023 @10:28PM (#63667255)
    Politicians worldwide idolize themselves for any success, even when they had nothing to do with it. And they run like a purse snatcher from their public failures.
  • by Tailhook ( 98486 ) on Friday July 07, 2023 @10:29PM (#63667259)

    Culturally enriched.

    Apparently they're no longer enjoying it. Must be the video games.

  • by christoban ( 3028573 ) on Friday July 07, 2023 @10:43PM (#63667275)

    IT's OK. The title clearly states he's blaming video games on violence, not the other way around.

  • by Huitzil ( 7782388 ) on Friday July 07, 2023 @10:53PM (#63667291)
    As the French government expands surveillance to allow for emergency spying across the board, it begs to ask the question. Who is the one making decisions that are more akin towards a simulation in which NPCs are meant to be reigned in at all costs in order to re establish peace and order? It appears to me that the one who has been playing too much Tropico 4 is Mr. Macron.
  • And they're asserting dominance over the working class. You're seeing this happen in multiple weak democracies like France and United States because the younger generations have been screwed over massively and the older generations who made out all right are about to age out of politics.

    So you going to see an increasingly large number of incredibly stupid things like this along with other authoritarian measures in a desperate bid to hold on to the power that they've built up over the last 40 years.
  • Racism exists whether you ask on the census or not.

    French "universalism" - which believes that the French language/culture "civilizes" people - is idiotic.

  • but it's an easy target! See! Games = violence! Easy!
  • Politician don't want to accept the facts that it's their fault with their policies and trying to blame video games, AGAIN ! I'm 66, happily retired and started playing Pong and have played numerous violent video/computer games and NEVER once has that led me to violence !!! Like I said, BULLSHIT ! Same goes for smoking marijuana....all it did was made me very chill and gave me the munchies and NO brain damage !! BS !!
  • 9 out of 10 cunts agree they are not the problem.

  • No, it's not video games.

    From the outside (and I am outside both France and the US), the situations look very similar. Both have large groups of people who - for whatever reason - have formed insular subcommunities. In the US, the obvious group are the urban blacks, who have completely failed to join mainstream society (but there are others as well - look at the homeless camps). In France, the obvious group are people who immigrated from the Middle East or Africa to France (or whose parent did), and have f

  • I am fairly sure that they didn't have video games back then. As I understand it, the proletariat was unhappy with the government's management of social and fiscal issues.
  • Oh, because I thought what caused a mass outbreak of riots is the police shooting an unarmed teenager after stating that they would shoot him even though he was driving AWAY from them. Odd how Macron seems to have missed that point as being the cause of the riots.

  • We aren't allowed to even think or mention real reasons, so I suppose that video games will do as well as anything else ...
  • France only has a population of about 68mil, so allowing the immigration of Millions of North African/Muslim immigrants has created a huge population of people that do not integrate at all with the rest of the country. No amount of democracy or police action will fix this cultural divide.

  • A huge population of fighting age illegal immigrants coming into the country.
    From a generally radically Islamic background.

    This shit was ALWAYS going to happen.
    The French have ONE chance to fix this.

    If they don't, they quite simply don't exist anymore.
    In its place will be the Islamic nation of Frankistan.

    Mobilize the army.
    Round up these insane people. Imprison those who've injured or killed people.

    Eject those of rioting and minor property damage from the country.
    If they're not sure where they went? Pick a

  • Who still listens to Macron? Experience has shown his speech is not connected to reality. It is not even a good hint about what he is going to do.

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