Square and Disney Team Up for Kingdom Hearts 152
jaredcat writes "Ever wonder what would happen if the incredibly creative talents of Squaresoft and Disney got together? Well I never did, but that didn't seem to stop them. The first joint production of Square and Disney, Kingdom Hearts, was just released in Japan. Its an RPG with a Square CGI, a Square story, a Disney sense of humor, and Square and Disney charectars. If the opening movie is any indication of what's to come when Kingdom Hearts becomes available in the US, its going to be the best thing to hit the PS2 since, well, Final Fantasy X :)." Very positive review. Gotta admit, I'm intrigued.
Update by J :
Check out
this review too, with a ton of screenshots, from
the GIA:
"By all rights [it] should be an awkward, conflated mess... instead, it's an epic piece of crossover fanfiction."
TheGIA (Score:2, Informative)
Just checking (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Just checking (Score:4, Funny)
This is Sunday. Disney isn't evil on Sundays.
Re:Just checking (Score:3, Funny)
Next Sunday, Disney is the spawn of Satan.
Re:Just checking (Score:2, Funny)
Disny is *always* evil. (Score:2)
Re:Disny is *always* evil. (Score:1)
Re:Disny is *always* evil. (Score:2)
On the other hand, Disney deleted anuses and genitalia from animals since they started circa 1930, because it was the custom of the day not to acknowledge publicly the existence of sex. This has nothing to do with virtue, and you may rest assured that people did make sex in those days. Otherwise the few remaining humans would be facing the certain extintion fo the race by now.
Cloud/Squall/etc/etc (Score:2, Funny)
Oh no.. (Score:1, Funny)
Oh no no no...
Before anyone gets too excited: (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Before anyone gets too excited: (Score:5, Funny)
Learn the Slashdot doublethink or stop posting. Please.
-- Fuckin' J'raxis. Yeah that's right. Fuck.
I'd mod you up as +1 insightfull (Score:1)
I do wish slashdot, as a community, wouldn't fawn over entertainment pieces such as this. These type of posts always seem kinda shallow for a "geek" community. Not that the entire world should be design patterns and aglorithm analysis... but what do I know....
Re:Before anyone gets too excited: (Score:2, Interesting)
I own nearly all Square games that made it across the Pacific but this is one I won't picking up because all I'll see when I'm playing it will be "you've done it..you're one of us...Disney 0wns j00 now.."
Gawd, couldn't anyone just tell me (or lie!) it sucks as much as Evermore?
Re:Before anyone gets too excited: (Score:2, Interesting)
Voice Acting and More (Score:5, Insightful)
- Many of the side charectars, shop keepers, etc., in Kingdom Hearts are well known Disney charectars or charectars from past Squaresoft games. For instance, Donald Duck is the chief magician to the court. Cid from FFVII runs an items shop. Even Wakka from FFX makes an appearance.
- The Disney voice acting and animation seem to be authentic. i.e. Donald Duck moves and sounds exactly how you would expect him to. Check out one of the movies where he enters the throne room and says good morning (in Japanese), and runs into Pluto. The camera angles and the voices look like they are right out of those old Disney cartoons that we all grew up with.
Last but not least... Make sure to check out the opening movie. Its ABSOLUTELY AMAZING, and 10-times better than any FMV from FFX, which is saying a lot as FFX FMVs look 10-times better than any CGI DVD I've seen.
Re:Voice Acting and More (Score:4, Funny)
Yeah, I especially like the scene where the Seven Dwarves dance around the rotting corpse of Fair Use, gleefully kicking at mouldering bits of flesh, singing:
Ding Dong, consumers are sheep,
Their rights are dead,
They'll eat what they're fed...
It's so life-like it's practically photo-realistic.
Re:Voice Acting and More (Score:2)
Re:Voice Acting and More (Score:1)
Yeap (Score:2)
Uh? (Score:1)
Characters?
Re:Voice Acting and More (Score:1)
Slashdotted! Naturally. (Score:2, Interesting)
The Gaming Intelligence Agency has a short write up [thegia.com] on it.
Also, you can see a movie [rpgamer.com] at rpg Gamer.
The CGI looks incredible. It is weird having Final Fantasy characters mixed in with Goofy and Tarzaan, though.
I wonder what inspired this?!? It looks cool (visually), and Square does tend to make great games, but what were they thinking? What is Disney up to? Why not just a Disney character RPG? This is an odd marriage. Then again, Street Fighter v. X-Men worked well. I saw some screen shots. The Alice in Wonderland parts look great.
Re:Slashdotted! Naturally. (Score:2, Informative)
Kingdom_intro.mov [stanford.edu]
Isn't a Disney sense of humour.... (Score:4, Insightful)
True to Disney or gimmick? (Score:1)
Obviously Disney must have had huge control on how their characters were used but this still smells of gimmick
The damning quote from the review
If you're going to have a game/book/movie/whatever with famous characters in it then the work ought to have some reliance and relevance to those characters. Don't just drop them in to make a quick buck.
Yeah
only 5 views! (Score:2, Informative)
Re:only 5 views! (Score:2)
There'd be lawsuits, but they'd look really cool, with, like, rendered hair on the judge's funny wig.
> IGN won't let you view more than 5 screenshots/movies per day unless you pay for their "IGN Insider" subscription service. So choose wisely!
Actually, mixing Disney with software development would probably result in something like that, plus prison terms for people who exchange screenshots amongst themselves after viewing them. (And even longer prison terms for people who write web browsers with "Save Image As..." buttons.)
Too bad, this RPG sounds like fun. But I'd sooner gnaw off my own testicles than give Eisner my money.
a mirror in case it gets /.'ed (Score:3, Informative)
Kingdom_intro.mov [stanford.edu]
Disney (Score:5, Insightful)
I can't believe as an EDITOR (the founder, no less) of
I don't care how "great" this game might be. It's Disney, therefore I'm not buying it.
Re:Disney (Score:3, Insightful)
I am not putting another dime in Disney's pocket so they can turn around and lobotomize my PC. I don't care how 'cool' or 'l337' their product(s) are, they're not getting my dollars.
Re:Disney (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Disney (Score:1)
if that kind of attitude were to prevail, we
might eventually be FREE from coporate
control
Re:Disney (Score:1)
Opening Shot (Score:1)
Re:Opening Shot (Score:1)
Doesn't seem so cool (Score:4, Interesting)
Mod away, I just thought someone who reads at -1 might want to know
By the way, I am a Square/RPG fan and I do own a PS2 so it's not like I'm biased against it for some weird reason.
Creepy... (Score:2)
Later stages in final fantasy games have always gotten weird yet fun as your characters begin to get increasingly demi-god like powers. It's kind of fun when your characters have abilities challenging even the power of imaginary legends.
But introduce Disney characters into the equation, and it gets seriously creepy for some reason. The alchemy of psuedo-religious legendary power, and 50-year old irreverent cartoon characters does not sit well in my stomach. Snow white as a stained glass icon, revered as a revelation once seen, is like seeing coke machines being installed in the carved-out mouths of the easter island heads for tourists.
Not that I'm a religious person - I'm agnostic for the most part - but it still feels all wrong.
:^)
Ryan Fenton
Re:Creepy... (Score:2)
Now think of how people will consider the Disney characters in one or two hundred years time, given a constant marketing budget and various image changes.
Scary, isn't it?
Ever wonder.. (Score:5, Insightful)
The CBDTPA!
*sigh*
Uhhh (Score:4, Interesting)
Excluding Metal Gear Solid 2 [gamespot.com] and GTA 3 [gamespot.com] which, if I remember correctly, were much better received critically and sold more than FFX.
Final Fantasy has basically become watching a DVD with a broken pause feature: you have to intermittantly hit a button to get the movie started again.
Freedom Force [myfreedomforce.com], on the other hand, is as close to a pen-n-paper RPG experience you can get. Exciting, personal, and thrilling. Oh and replayable. Another classic from Crave/Looking Glass.
BTW Kingdome Hearts does look cool though. It seems Sony is going to try and take the demographic they don't have: the kids from Nintendo.
Re:Uhhh (Score:1)
Re:Uhhh (Score:1)
At least this will be an easy game to boycott for me, as I still have FF 7,8,9,10 and lord knows how many other playstation 1 rpg's to get caught up on first, if I ever feel the need :)
Re:Uhhh (Score:2)
Re:Uhhh (Score:1)
Re:Argh! 500MB movies (Score:1)
For me huge used to be 4MB of MP3, when the format was just starting to get popular.. I used to download songs at college and then PKZIP span them across floppy disks to get em home.
Ugh.. floppy disks.. horrid horrid things.
Disney Humor (Score:4, Funny)
You mean the sense of humor that says "You vill vatch our product, und you vill like it, or you suffer penalties under federal law."
Is that the sense of humor you mean?
Boycott squaresoft (Score:2, Informative)
Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest was bad enough... (Score:2)
what is an RPG? (Score:1, Insightful)
If I go to the movie store and see that they split up the store for my convenience into action, drama, comedy and horror, then I know I can usually find the movie I want based on that. Sure some movies will seem at first glance to be cross 'genre' but what is the point of the movie? Would I find superman in the drama section? Would it make sense there? It had drama types of themes sometimes, but perhaps comedy is where it belongs.
The point is that roleplaying game (RPG) is supposed to tell a potential customer 'Hey, I am a game that allows you to immerse yourself into the character and make that character do what you want it to do. I don't force you to fit some predefined role, thus forcing YOU to do what I want you to. I give you freedom, much like you would if you were roleplaying in a small LARP or such in which you 'play the role' by bringing it alive through word and deed." Dragons, magic, elves and the like do _NOT_ make a game an RPG, anymore than a game that is set in modern day or in a science fiction setting is not a RPG simply because of the lack of said dragons and elves. (nanotechnology seems the 'magic of the future' however).
I played many a Final Fantasy game and enjoyed it, however that does not mean it is an RPG simply because it modeled the look and feel of some CRPG's at the time. Recently the trend has grown so that the 'console style RPG' really means a movie. Notice that I didn't even say interactive movie, as that trend is to decrease interaction and control more and more until you basically have a sort of adventure game like the old Dungeon Lair game. Perhaps a 'choose your own adventure' book, but with only 2 to 3 very limited, static and predifined choices available at any time. You might soon notice that you were obviously being steered into the conclusion they want you to be at.
So, please understand this before having a terrets type of reaction, jumping up and saying 'RPG'. That is silly and helps no one. Call it like it is, if you feel like you have to 'sell it' then that is an indication that you are justifying your actions and choices and perhaps should stop being a social slave.
Re:what is an RPG? (Score:1)
If you really want to get technical you should keep in mind that computer "games" really aren't games at all due to the limited number of outcomes possible. To be correct you should call them "computer puzzles".
Re:what is an RPG? (Score:1)
Re:what is an RPG? (Score:1)
Oh, you meant computer RPG.
Re:what is an RPG? (Score:1, Insightful)
Levels, experience, endless battles against odd colored gelatin products.. Those do not make a roleplaying game.
Equipment.. Your character's power.. How much money you have. It's all irrelevant.
In a true roleplaying game, you are nothing. You will never be anything. You will die, and no one will care. The world will not stop, it will move on without you.
Simply put, the only thing that matters in the end is the story.
How do you win at a roleplaying game? You've won, if, many years from now, over a few pints of Guinness, a short graying man with an eyepatch looks at you and says, "Remember the Little Wooden Boy?"
But it's Disney, (Score:1, Insightful)
which we all know is evil..
Or maybe our attention span is really short.
The hypocrisy! (Score:4, Insightful)
One day, Slashdot publishes a story about the CBDTPA, saying how horrible it was, and how they hope that Senator Hollings gets voted out.
The next day, Slashdot publishes a story about a collaboration between Square and Disney, with Square everything except a Disney sense of humor and characters from both.
Now, I'm willing to give Taco the benefit of the doubt. Maybe both Disney and Square are in bed with Hollings, so it makes sense that they're working together. However, he then says, "Very positive review. Gotta admit, I'm intrigued." Aside from the fact that any game with a "Disney sense of humor" and Donald Duck as the court's chief magician is bound to suck, Taco is endorsing the very company who bought a senator to make a law to outlaw open-source!
<sarcasm>Maybe the CBDTPA isn't that bad after all. You won't have your PS2 Linux kit, or Linux anywhere for that matter, but you'll have all the Square-Disney collaborations you could ever want!</sarcasm>
Slashdot is "News for nerds, stuff that matters", right? Well, you're faced with a "difficult" decision. Which matters more: Linux or Disney?
Re:The hypocrisy! (Score:1)
Slashdot's job is to report on all aspects of what's going on in the techy world. Yes, we're all pissed about the regulation going on in congress and the companies supporting it... but that asside, this game looks to have INCREDIBLE potential. I've been holding out on getting a PS2 thus far, but between GTA3, GT3, FFX, and now this new Kingdom Hearts... wow.. I think I may have to buy one.
Sorry for the little side tangent. But I guess the message I'm trying to conve is don't shoot the messenger (In this case slashdot)
Re:The hypocrisy! (Score:1)
Slashdot users seem to care more about the product than the politics. And that's fine, and I respect that, but in that case Slashdot isn't the forum for me.
Re:The hypocrisy? (Score:2)
Of course he can't explicitly tell us to pirate it or else he'd get sued, but did you see him tell us to buy it either? No. Plus I'd say that the
Not to sound like a flame, but do you need everything spelled out for you?
Bad Tactics, Bad Strategy (Score:2)
This is bad strategy because: If you support the illegal copying of disks, then you are providing ammunition that will be used against you in the legislature.
Avoid and disparage the evil ones. Do not do anything that will benefit them in any way. This means do not advertise their wares as well as do not purchase their products.
Support the good companies. Purchase software from them, and advertise their wares. Use the "Powered by red hat" sticker that came inside your CD box. If at all acceptable, use the bumpersticker. Or Mandrake (I presume that they have a similar sticker). Or, if you like SuSE, support them. (I dislike their proprietary installer, but compared to most companies they count as good guys.) If Debian is your distribution, perhaps you should buy and wear a Debian tee-shirt, or whatever they have available.
And join and support the EFF. And the ACLU. They seem to be relatively quiet on this front, from what I've noticed), still, if their attention can be caught they could be a powerful friend, and their goals are generally compatible.
Who? (Score:5, Funny)
So this time they didn't use someone else's story, or make a sequel? Oh, wait, they reused characters originally drawn decades ago.. never mind.
While we're at it, anyone see the McDisney ads at Walt Donald's World? "Disney, 100 Years of Magic"
Now unless they count baby Walter's used diapers as "Disney Magic" I don't see how they can reach back to 1902. But I suppose anything's possible when the Marketing Dept. is involved.
Then again, I suppose the 79 years since 1923 isn't quite good enough for the boredroom "executives" who's only creative contribution is the fragrance in the conference room after the catered lunch of Mexican food.
I still think someone ought to make the following movie:
"REVENGE OF DISNEY"
Starring Jackie Chan as Walt E. Disney
A story about a victim of mistaken identity arriving at the very gates of the "Magic Kingdom." Looking around, he sees his own name and only the outline of his beloved character's disembodied head plastered over every flat surface in a display of wanton greed so profound that the enraged cartoonist vows to carry out a one-man campaign to wrest control of the entertainment behemoth from its corporate masters.
Following scenes of frantic, moving, dubbed speeches, gripping courtroom drama, and an action-packed chase through the back hallways of a cineplex on opening night, the film culminates in a spectacular 45-minute "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon"-esque kung-fu fight scene in the Disney Corporation's board room as the screaming, elderly, bandanna-wearing animator defeats the entire company's senior management single-handed.
The film ends with Disney, having liquidated the company, and placing its entire portfolio in the public domain, opening an art school with a record $800 million endowment, then retiring to a life of drawing one of a kind cartoons for children in the park.
Truly an instant classic.
Heh (Score:2)
Re:Who? (Score:1)
movies, schmovies (Score:1)
Re:movies, schmovies (Score:2)
How about those 15-minute breaks of scripted animations, blackouts, trasforms, and tons upon tons of clicky-text, with little bits where you get to walk your character across the screen? Those parts where the screen goes all black and theres another buttload of badly-translated slow-moving click-boxes while you wait for your character to wake-up or start dreaming.
That's why the rest of us keep our gaming and storytelling separate. The story telling in RPG videogames is fscking annoying. For pity's sake, you're on DVD & gig disks now - no text allowed anymore, it'd better be well done voice with no more freaking clicking. Even playstation didn't have much excuse (there were 1-disk PC RPG's that were all voice instead of text).
I think Square is very talented and competent at storytelling and computer animation - and I think their skills are wasted on RPG videogames. If they'd made a real Final Fantasy movie (one that was cute and magical, like the FF games) - not a wannabe American Sci-fi movie, then they'd be where they belong - in cinema, in television, in OAV's - not freaking click-fests.
Waitasec... (Score:1, Troll)
But what if I set it to Japan time?
Posted by CmdrTaco on Monday April 1, @2:50AM
Nice try.
Granted, it was posted to IGN on 27 March, but not Slashdot. I'll believe it when it's still there on 2 April.
Yay Disney! CBDTPA!!! (Score:2, Redundant)
Oh, but I'm a troll no doubt for not gobbling up everything those enemies of freedom toss to me.
NO! (Score:1)
Note for WebWasher users viewing this page (Score:1, Offtopic)
Re:Note for WebWasher users viewing this page (Score:1, Offtopic)
To each his own.
Disney + Square = Square is out of the dumper... (Score:2, Insightful)
Okay, Square lost a HUGE amount of money on that movie, so teaming up with Disney might have boosted their money supply a bit, and the game might actually appeal to younger kids and big kids alike.
You never know, this game might be good, but remember, I did say might, so don't hold me to it...
-=J=-
Re:Disney + Square = Square is out of the dumper.. (Score:1)
(one that they pretty much blatantly ripped off for their widely praised FFT).
I've been a fan of Square games for a loong time, but I get the sense they're developing more and more giant-corp mentality like Disney. Maybe it's a vision of things to come. I never believe a second that Square is doing this just because of their "financial" crisis.
so much for that (Score:2, Interesting)
Interesting blend (Score:1)
Why? (Score:1, Interesting)
Oh, and a unanimous certanity that the kid hero is going to turn out to be Mickey in the end, since the mouse was very conspicuous by his absence in all the bits they were showing.
This is the sort of game where you wonder if the history of making the thing might not be more interesting than the actual game itself. Who approached who with the idea of 'Let's make a game that jams together the wholly-alien styles of Square and Disney together, with lots of fannish references!'? Who's paying money to who? Who's publishing it in the States: Disney Interactive, Square, Sony, some un-named party to be named later?
Meanwhile, Treasure is working on no less than three different Tiny Toons games. Sigh.
Opening Movie... (Score:2)
Umm, maybe I'm in the minority here, but that was possibly the lamest game intro I have ever sat through. Maybe the game itself is good, but as I watched the intro, I just kept finding myself asking 'wtf is this?!?!' over and over. Is falling in the ocean over and over until you find the hidden underwater Disney shrine the point of the game? wtf?!
Leave It To Slashdot... (Score:2, Redundant)
Way to go guys. Not only are most religious and polotical leaders hypocrites, but so is a huge group of the geek archtype.
Re:Leave It To Slashdot... (Score:1)
Re:Leave It To Slashdot... (Score:2)
It's amazing that you can brush this agenda off like that. You realize that you won't <condescending>get to play your cute little games</condescending> if the general purpose computer minus copyright protection becomes illegal. You might want to become aware that what the government does affects all of us no matter how distant they may seem.
Re:Leave It To Slashdot... (Score:1)
Re:Leave It To Slashdot... (Score:2)
Nothing.
Of course, we won't be allowed to write them, since the licensing fees will be carefully balanced to close the market tighter than a bass drum in a thunderstorm.
But that's ok. Right?
Re:Leave It To Slashdot... (Score:1)
Title (Score:3, Funny)
Even More Info (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Even More Info (Score:1)
Disney and the DMCA (Score:4, Informative)
or buy something advertised on ABC, you are
placing a vote in favor of the DMCA.
Taco, (Score:1, Redundant)
Err... (Score:2)
Re:Err... (Score:2)
Don't forget the Peter Pan sequel too. One writer, guys. Just one. You make million$ a day, and all you need is ONE WRITER to come up with something original. ONE.
Makes me gagging, dry-heaving sick.
I hate it when two people team up on me (Score:3, Funny)
Oh Kingdom.
I've been coding X *and* win32 in one application today, it has turned my brain to Emmenthal
Hmmm.... (Score:1)
April First (Score:1, Redundant)
Re:April First (Score:1)
Re:April First (Score:1)
Re:April First (Score:2)
none of the shots come from FF11 previews, and there's no way in hell they could have done that animation from the limited children's 3D software put out by disney
too weird (Score:1)
CBDTPA/DMCA/Whatever (Score:2, Insightful)
The reason these laws exist or will exist is that many people, including many slashdot readers, have been pirating music, software and movies like hyperactive baboons for quite some time now. The establishment wouldn't care about DRM or anything like that if all people did with mp3's was to rip 'em and listen to them off their hard drives. But abuse of fair-use privileges has provoked this response. Evil corporations have the right to defend their own intellectual property. That's the law, and it makes sense.
There's no use now in whining like spoilt children. Your own (or your peers' own) actions are directly responsible for the current situation. Tough luck.
Re:CBDTPA/DMCA/Whatever (Score:2)
riiigght... thats pretty funny. Or are you an April's fool?
Re:CBDTPA/DMCA/Whatever (Score:1)
It is probably inappropriate to support Disney in (Score:2)
Remember that Disney is the real backer of the bill formerly known as the SSSCA.
I have been recommending against every Disney product that I encounter whenever any reasonable opportunity presents itself. It's usually quite easy to find good reasons to be against them. Flat characters, shallowness, etc. and I will use this. But if it seems at all appropriate, then I will also mention the way Disney has been spreading political corruption (I consider the purchase of Senators to be political corruption!). And I will mention that the copyright laws have been continually extended specifically to keep Mickey Mouse covered by the copyright law.
And I will particularlly display clear distain for the artistic quality of the Disney works. They merit it, too. Some of the older ones were decent, I suppose, but none of the recent ones were worth the price of a ticket to a rerun. At best they are an expensive version of lonely-hearts columnist. And that's their high point. The characters are flat. The coloring is unskilled. The plots are either missing or stolen. I suppose that the action is usually smooth, and there are a few nice details, but that hardly makes up for the rest of it.