Nintendo Drops GameCube Price to $150 343
DarkZero writes: "According to Planet Gamecube, Nintendo, as was expected, has dropped the price of the GameCube to $150. As the consoles currently stand, the GameCube is $50 cheaper than both the X-Box and the PS2, letting it retain half of its price edge on its competitors. Neither Sony nor Microsoft has commented on it yet, but Microsoft might decide to lower the price of the X-Box a little bit more in retaliation. Yay, competitive pricing!"
Wow Competition! (Score:5, Funny)
Holy cow! (Score:2)
A Fine Example (Score:5, Insightful)
Way to go!
Re:A Fine Example (Score:2)
Now, gasoline on the other hand.. don't get me started there.
What about games? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:What about games? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:What about games? (Score:2)
Huh? (Score:3, Insightful)
I have to admit that I highly doubt it... I'm sure microsoft set their current price-drop in line with expecting Nintendo to drop theirs to their current mark.
As far as I know, Gamecube can't play DVD's either, correct? That's an awesome value-added feature. I was on the verge of buying a DVD player myself as well, but ended up just picking up a playstation 2 and killing 2 birds with one stone.
X-Box plays DVD's as well, right? I think the $50 difference is reasonable.
Re:Huh? (Score:2, Insightful)
I would personaly buy a stand alone DVD player rather than a console for DVD playing. The players offer easier hookup, and don't require the purchase of a remote control, and they very cheap. I have a PS2 and would really dislike using it for my main DVD player. Just my 2cents.
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
Now I'm kinda glad I bought the stand-alone DVD player. Why?
The PS2's fans are LOUD. OK, they're not bone-jarringly loud, and I'm sure I could learn to ignore them, but there's nothing like having a full dolby digital + subwoofer set-up in your basement, and being able to hear a pin drop... With the PS2 as a DVD player (my roomie's used it before as such), there's just too much noise....
Re:What about component in? (Score:2)
Re:Huh? (Score:3, Interesting)
Used it to avoid DVD licensing costs, because a company like them couldn't afford to pay it. How quaint.
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
Microsoft should give XBox for free (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Microsoft should give XBox for free (Score:2)
Or maybe they could like integrate one game into it which looks visually pleasing, but gets boring within three minutes of play. Out of sheer frustration, people will buy games.
I hope such a thing will not happen. It's a good thing those consoles are a bit too expensive to just give away.
Re:Microsoft should give XBox for free (Score:2)
Microsoft _does_ give XBox for free (Score:2)
At least they've got $200 off deals with major retailers like BestBuy. (I just got an offer in the mail last week, BTW)
BestBuy & CircuitCity PS2 Prices (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:BestBuy & CircuitCity PS2 Prices (Score:2)
That being said, did you actually visit the stores, or just look at the Sunday ads? Those ads are printed weeks in advance...
News Update (Score:4, Funny)
Richard Head reporting from redmond WA...
Microsoft Announces Xbox Bundle to Compete with Console pricewars.
Microsoft this morning in a retalitaory move against Nintendo and Sony's attempts to undermine the sales of the Xbox has announced that they will not be lowering the price of the Xbox but will in fact be bundling it with several high quality applications.
Steve Ballmer in a private interview said, "The public has been clamoring for a killer app for the Xbox and we have decided to give it to them. As of today we will be selling Xboxes with free copies of Microsoft BOB for their PC and a special ported version of BOB for the Xbox. we are confident that this will crust the competition."
Sony and Nintendo represenatives were unavailable for comment.
Re:News Update (Score:3, Funny)
Sony and Nintendo officials have freed themselves of a thin egg coating and several inches of bread crumbs by "eating their way out", said one witness.
"We were having lunch when suddenly I was blinded by flying particles. I didn't know what they were, but it smelled like stale bread and some sort of Italian seasoning..." said a hysterical Sony developer.
After being treated and released, most of those affected said they would not press charges. "We know Microsoft did it, but we will fight a clean war, in the marketplace" declared Nintendo President Hiroshi Yamauchi.
*whoooooosh* (Score:2, Funny)
That was the sound of the B-2 Stealth Joke Plane soaring over your head, safely undetected.
- A.P.
Re:BOB a killer ap? hehe (Score:2)
Last time MS dropped their prices... (Score:5, Insightful)
Just a thought...
As much as competitive pricing is a good thing, I hope there's some margin left at the end of the day or this market will turn into a winner take all for whoever's got the motivation and money to stick it out.
Re:Last time MS dropped their prices... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Last time MS dropped their prices... (Score:4, Insightful)
They also continue to be interested in establishing a foothold in your living room so that they can blend your television (your eyes) into the .NET communication infrastructure.
The money to be earned from games will be dwarfed by the money to be gained by establishing a monopolistic control over real-time communications, which would seem to be Microsoft's current goal.
Re:Last time MS dropped their prices... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Last time MS dropped their prices... (Score:2)
-Microsoft in court
Re:Last time MS dropped their prices... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Last time MS dropped their prices... (Score:2, Flamebait)
Give away IE without paying more shipping/distribution costs. (Here, it will cost them $275 just to make the damn thing, and another chunk to ship it to all the stores.)
Threaten OEM's with reprisals if they didn't leave IE in and take Netscape out. (Here, if they go to Software Etc and threaten to them to take out the PS2's, they'll be laughed at.)
Install IE in every Windows machine by default. (Here, I don't see me getting an Xbox bundled with every TV purchase.)
I'm still comfortable with my decision to get rid of my Xbox until they produce more than one game (Halo) that I actually want to play. And by then, I'll get the Xbox for $99 and the games for $20.
Re:Last time MS dropped their prices... (Score:2)
That's because Microsoft doesn't make TVs.
However, you might get a PS2 bundled with every TV purchase.
Yet More (Score:3, Insightful)
Imagine, just imagine, if the OS market was like this. i CRINGE to think about how good our operating systems would be (think VR, 3d Interfaces that are common, everything you'd want from an OS)
sigh. I wish it really was the OS market.
Re:Yet More (Score:2)
Re:Yet More (Score:3, Informative)
The OS market has had more innovation and more excitement in just the past 4-5 years than in the 20 years previous to that.
Re:Yet More (Score:2)
However, Linux on the desktop does work. It's a bitch to correctly set up. However, most hardware isnt the problem anymore. It's permissions, software installs, things like that. If every piece software had installers like the one that Loki put with their games (ran graphical OR gui), then yes, Linux would easily be for the desktop. I'm actually running Linux continously (trying to get everything I need done in Linux).
As a sysadmin perspective, Linux rocks.
As a home deesktop user, Linux is way too hard.
Re:Yet More (Score:2)
Like Gillette... (Score:5, Insightful)
-S
Re:Like Gillette... (Score:2)
Re:Like Gillette... (Score:2)
Old ways of thinking (Score:2, Insightful)
On a different note, with the whole PS2/Linux thing, is their any possibility of seeing emulators (2600, NES, SNES, Genesis) comig out for it?
Re:Old ways of thinking (Score:2, Insightful)
I think the market can support multiple consoles, as long as "long lived" titles can get to better price points quickly. $50 is okay for a game (same as what I pay for PC games, on average), but I've ended up buying -- and enjoying -- games that were cheap. A $25 or 30 risk is much lower than a $50 risk (hence my discovery that Super Monkey Ball was such a riot to play!).
Wow, and this is stifiling innovation? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re: Wow, and this is stifiling innovation? (Score:2)
Yeah, until they dominate this market as well, then the innovation that we care about will stop and other innovation, like controlling living room entertainment and pricing, will begin.
You're exactly right... (Score:2)
He or she cannot decide between more than TWO desktop OSes right now; Mac OS X and Windows (XP, 2000, etc), and then there's the fact that a Mac will cost about $1500 to the PC's $900...
So if you like pricing, innovation, quick to market, etc... you too should support *some* kind of action to restore competition in all the markets Microsoft has a monopoly over.
Now more in-line with British prices (Score:2)
Given the historical trend of consoles costing more here in Britain than in the US, I think this is more of a price re-alignment than a cut.
Less widely reported, but of interest to people looking for a cheap gaming experience, Sony dropped the UK price of the PSOne to 49 UKP, did something similar happen in the US?
Nitpicker (Score:2)
Re:Now more in-line with British prices (Score:2)
Sales tax/VAT (Score:2)
once you take off the VAT from the UK price, it comes out as about $58.
Re:Now more in-line with British prices (Score:2)
Re:Now more in-line with British prices (Score:2)
Like a poker game with no limit (Score:5, Funny)
Nintendo (holding 4 aces): I'll see your $1 and raise you $2:
MS (holding jack-squat): I'll see your $2 and raise you A MILLION BILLION DOLLARS.
Sony: Fold.
Nintendo: Fold.
MS: Mwahahahahahaha.
You poker sense is wrong (Score:2, Insightful)
So although a royal flush is considered the "highest" hand, 4 aces is effectively just as high since they can't exist at the same time.
Re:You poker sense is wrong (Score:2)
Incorrect. The most popular form of professional poker these days is Texas Hold'Em (the form also played on Yahoo! Games). Since you have to make a hand from both your own private cards and the cards on the table, you could both be using an ace that's on the table.
I'm not surprised by this (Score:2)
Besides, Nintendo's greatest strength is its own internal software development group. There are a big number of potentially great games coming out for GameCube from Nintendo coming out later this year that will really drive GameCube sales.
Re:I'm not surprised by this (Score:2)
I would have figured they'd have one of these 3 out already.... Kinda makes me want to hold off even more, until it hits the 100$ mark
MS needs a new EULA... (Score:4, Funny)
By opening the packaging that contains this X-Box, the user agrees that he or she will not purchase a competing console, play games on a friend's competing console, or even look for more than five seconds at a competing console when walking through a store. Furthermore, by plugging in the Microsoft X-Box, the user consents to any and all changes that the Microsoft X-Box may implement in the user's household, including the notification of Microsoft corporate headquarters in the event that a competing console is detected in the household, and the neurological reprogramming of any of the user's offspring to become better Microsoft customers.
That ought to help good ol' MS take its rightful place in our homes and lives.
Super GameCube Advance (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Super GameCube Advance (Score:4, Funny)
but what you'd really want is a beowulf cluster of these running linux and connected to your yopy!
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Microsoft could bundle DVD kit instead (Score:4, Insightful)
Because the price gap between the Xbox and Gamecube is now just $50 dollars, I think consumers on the fence will be looking beyond just the price and more towards the things the consoles can do. And with the DVD kit, the Xbox wins the features competition, not necessarily because people would actually use the DVD features; but just because people like a bargain.
Re:Microsoft could bundle DVD kit instead (Score:2)
Re:Microsoft could bundle DVD kit instead (Score:2)
Re:Microsoft could bundle DVD kit instead (Score:2)
Re:Microsoft could bundle DVD kit instead (Score:2)
However, DVD playability in consoles is a big deal for the millions of parents who are buying consoles for their kids. They may not know much about the great games or the technical aspects of the consoles, but they do know that they're buying the console as a way to keep little Jimmy and Julie occupied, and if they can go play their Disney DVDs in their rooms and not in the den, even better.
quoting Yoda: (Score:5, Funny)
No, wait, maybe he was philosophising on something else...
Wow! (Score:2)
Makes Sense.... (Score:2)
The only thing it has is Nintendo's games, which still aren't shipping.
Re:Makes Sense.... (Score:2)
What more do you want? You still have to pay to use the DVD player on the XBox by buying a cartridge. (from what I've heard) Even then, the quality and playability of games on the GameCube slay the XBox. Hands down.
Save the extra money you'd pay for an XBox, and buy a nice new Philips DVD player. They are down to like $100 now anyways - plus you can play VCDs and get a decent remote. The XBox would make a nice DVD player, if you wanted one the size of a microwave on your entertainment center.
Pat
next, microsoft will announce (Score:4, Funny)
Unusual situation for MS (Score:2)
I don't suppose these are monopolistic practices since neither Sony nor Sega controls the gaming industry by themselves. Together they are evidently quite a force. BTW, I'm not commenting on the legality of such moves as IANAL. Although I do find it interesting when:
Re:Unusual situation for MS (Score:2)
Have you payed attention for the past 15+ years. Game consoles drop in price after a certain amount of time, in fact, most electronics do, in fact, most products do, amazing huh? But now since Microsoft is involved it's a big conspiracy? The console makers were just waiting for someone to make the jump first and then they all follow, c'mon enough already....
Re:Unusual situation for MS (Score:2)
Previous to this, the console makers were wary of lowering their prices in such a fashion. They were somewhat like the airlines in that they wouldn't often engage in serious price wars.
Are you people all on crack?
I worked with a guy who once said "Just because nobody agrees with me doesn't mean I'm going to give in". What a PITA. Maybe other people have a point. Maybe not, but it's probably worth considering - 'ya think?
I still love my gamecube (Score:4, Informative)
Most people's opinions of consoles after a purchase depend almost completely on what games they bought. Most people with a gamecube purchased Star Wars: Rogue Leader and maybe Waverace or something to that effect, perhaps with no extra controllers.
To me, buying a good game library is like designing a game (but with far fewer decisions): you need to have a cohesive strategy, or else you risk having a boring console. For me, it was multiplayer gaming. Satisfied, I am.
If anyone thinks that Nintendo's laid it's cards out on the table, I think they're gonna be surprised. The future shows a lot of interesting things: Mario Party 4, a new Mario Kart, a new Zelda game, a new Starfox game in the vein of Zelda64, something from Squaresoft in the way of Final Fantasy, Super Mario Sunshine, Bomberman (this month), more Resident Evil games from Capcom, Mario Golf/Tennis and of course, Metroid Prime, which is being developed by a friend of mine who is nothing more than completely convinced that it's going to be the game of the year.
price vs quality (Score:2)
So they were screwing me 3 times.
No way I'm gonna trust them. If someone screws you once, it can do it again.
Oh well, probably this is easier to me since I don't like consoles. But still, does anyone else with a brain noticed that?
OT: Recommendations? (Score:2)
Re:I had a friend (Score:5, Informative)
Re:I had a friend (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not quite that easy -- Nintendo also has tons of cash, because of the success of the GB/GBA; they're actually quite good at making money, even if they lag a bit in the hype department. Microsoft could probably do it if they bled money like mad for a long time, but I'm not sure even MS is that crazy.
All the players in this war are strong, and I think they're all in it for the long haul. And remember, Nintendo, unlike MS & Sony, doesn't do anything else except games -- they can't afford to lose.
Re:I had a friend (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:I had a friend (Score:2)
Actually, Nintendo was losing money on each GameCube sale when it was at $200. With no new manufacturing changes and a new price drop, they are now losing at least $60-$80 on each GameCube sale, if not much more.
Nintendo is selling a console at a loss for the first time. The only one that's actually making money on each console sale is Sony, because they make their own hardware instead of buying parts from third parties.
Re:I had a friend (Score:2)
Nintendo has never lost money on the Cube. MS was estimated to be losing $60-$80 per system at launch -- it's anybody's guess how much they are losing now, with (presumably) reduced manufacturing cost fighting against a $100 price drop.
And, while I don't have figures for Sony, I believe you're mistaken about them as well. They were certainly losing money on the PS2 at launch time, they may well be again after the $100 drop.
Re:I had a friend (Score:2)
M$: Halo. I dare you to pick another exclusive X-Box must-have currently on the shelf.
Sony: GTA3, Maximo (maybe), Metal Gear Solid 2. I'm not much of a PS fan, so it's hard to say what's good out there right now.
Nintendo: Star Wars: Rogue Leader, Wave Race, and let's not discount Mario, Zelda, and Metroid which are all on the schedule. Of course there's also Pokemon (for the kiddies), the Sega exclusives (ie: Sonic), and then the Rare games...I could go on and on.
You get the point. Nintendo is never going to lose. They have a core market which will keep them in business for a long time. Not to mention the European launch: 400,000 units sold through in 3 weeks. Wow.
Re:I had a friend (Score:3, Insightful)
Let's not forget that Nintendo is also quite good at making GAMES, which is the whole point of this business. Who cares which hardware is better, which system has the best GAMES?
Exactly! Give the man a goddamn prize!
I've got a coworker who's got an Xbox, and keeps telling me about the specifications of the thing. I keep asking him, "So what games can I get on it now?"
"Get Halo!"
"And?"
"And... NHL 2002?"
I'll probably get a PS2 first (DVD and games together, so I can finally ditch Windows), but the Cube is cheap enough that I could probably get both now. Super Smash Brothers rocks my world.
And on a side note, I always thought it would be a cold day in hell when a Sonic game was available on a Nintendo system. I'm starting to feel my age. :)
Re:I had a friend (Score:2)
I have a PS2, cause, you know, final fantasy, but when it came time to decide whether to get a box or a cube, i looked things up and down, and the fact of the matter is, i *will* play zelda, and i *will* play mario. Call me a fanboy, or just call me a guy who loves quality games, but the fact is that N's franchises guarantee it a spot at the table. Crappy release schedules and the occasional feeling that nintendo thinks i'm 12 years old aside, there will always be three or four games a year that i absolutely *must* play which are nintendo exclusives.
As for MS, there's halo, and....halo. And since i finished that, it's only good for multiplayer, in which case MS has sold one box to four guys. That's a lousy model.
Add to that the fact that parents know it and love it, and in many households, they're buying the games, and nintendo's not getting forced out by anyone.
Re:I had a friend (Score:2)
Nintendo's in the hardware market for good - they know the rules (hell, they made the rules). Microsoft is the one in trouble - they're losing major cash at $199 - another price cut would make the Xbox a major drain. Add that to the fact that there aren't any really stellar Xbox games other than Halo and you've got a next-gen Dreamcast wannabe...
Re:I had a friend (Score:2)
From CNET Article: [com.com] "Nintendo, which launched GameCube last November, has shipped more than 4.5 million systems worldwide."
Oh yeah they're gonna get pushed right out with numbers like that! And don't forget, as others have said, Nintendo has Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, and Gameboy. They ain't goin' nowhere!
Re:This is perfect (Score:2, Informative)
Reviews [videogamereview.com]
More reviews [happypuppy.com]
Guess what? [gamereviewers.com]
What? [gamezone.com]
Reviews! [allcube.com]
All good resources.
Re:This is perfect (Score:2)
to save people some time though:
1. Resident Evil
2. Super Smash Bros. Melee
3. WWE Wrestlemania X8
4. Star Wars: Rogue Leader- Rogue Squadron 2
5. Sonic Adventure 2 Battle
6. Legend of Zelda
7. Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II
8. Mario Sunshine
9. Spider-Man: The Movie
10. Bloody Roar: Primal Fury
GameCube has some good titles, and unlike the dreamcast there isn't a chance in hell that the Big N will drop development, anytime soon.
Although if the PS2 is $199 as the article implies, it's better short term, as many good GC games won't be hitting shelves until christmas.
Besides, they've finally got a good modchip (daughter-card) for the PS2 v5 or v6 boards here [unet.net]
Re:This is perfect (Score:2)
Most of the games in it have two buttons. Move & Do. And the main game only has one of those. The main game plays kinda like Marble Madness, but a lot more fun.
Plus, It is funny as hell to watch drunk or stoned people play.
Re:This is perfect (Score:2, Insightful)
If price is your main criteria, I've got a nice 1st generation nintendo system you might be interested in. Or maybe this used Playstation sitting over here.
The games are the main thing you should determine the games system on.
-Dubya
Re:This is perfect (Score:2)
[I have to type something here because the lameness filter is stupid]
Re:This is perfect (Score:2)
Resident Evil... (Score:2)
You might also want to check out Star Wars Rogue Leader, Tony Hawk 3, 007, Spider Man (goofy camera controls though), and Pikmin.
A lot of folks seem to like Super Smash Bros as well... but that game was a bit too much for me. Too many colors and flashing lights.
Re:Yeah capitalism! (Score:4, Insightful)
> GameCube. Really, that's about as much as I'm
> willing to pay for a non-upgradable piece of
> hardware that will be obsolete in a year...
You mean something that's usually non-upgradable and obsolete in a year like, ohh, a video card for a PC? Some of the fancier graphics cards cost more than a console!
Unless things get *really* lousy in the console market, video game consoles have a staying power greater than a year. Even the *Dreamcast* was around longer than a year!
Consider the Playstation. There are still games being released for that old beast.
Are you the only one blind to the fact that a PS1 (Score:2)
There are several things that make a console:
Good price (check! Cheaper than a GBA)
Good software (check! Fun games, both old *and* new)
Good availability (check! The old PSX library plus PS2's PSX compatibility means lots of games available)
Graphics and sound are not enough for a good game experience
Re:Yeah capitalism! (Score:2)
> quality of the Playstation?
Apparently, you're blinded by *something*...
> The only benefit the thing had in it's time was
> the storage medium allowing tons of crap to be
> stuck on a CD.
You're surely thinking of the SegaCD, which was probably the pioneer of "stick a bunch of junk on a CD-ROM and sell it". Granted, the SegaCD had a few good games (Lunar, Lunar:EB, Snatcher, etc.), but much of what was released for that system was FMV garbage.
The nice thing about the Playstation was that it had a whole lot of games that *weren't* just "shovel junk onto a CD". Ridge Racer, Tekken, Raiden Project, Namco Museum, etc. (to name a few of the earlier titles).
> If Nintendo wasn't so strict with its
> blood/gore/mature rating crap...
Ahh yes, Nintendo. Nintendo wasn't *any* competition to the Playstation {Remember - Nintendo's then-current console was the SNES) until the N64 came out - which was long after the Playstation hit critical mass. And then the N64 came, with its very limited group of expensive (compared to Playstaiton) first-run titles - of which about the only hit was Mario 64. No wonder the Playstation dominated!
Re:Yeah capitalism! (Score:2)
You want to talk about obsolete within a year, PC hardware is by far the worst offender in this case. I basically biult a new 1Ghz system about a year ago, maybe a little more, and while it wasn't state of the art, it was still up there. Now it's half as powerful as what I could get now, for less than what I paid for the 1Ghz chip and motherboard back then. Nevermind the fact that there have been _2_ new top-of-the-line nVidia graphics cards released since I built this computer. Consoles are bargains in comparison.
Obsolete (Score:2)
Re:Yeah capitalism! (Score:2)
Date: 1579
1 a : no longer in use or no longer useful
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=obsole
That doesn't seem to apply to the Playstation.
Re:Refunds.... (Score:2, Funny)
They all do! (grin)
1) Ask for refund of $50 + tax.
2) Be denied.
3) Say, "I'd like to return my [PS2|Xbox], it doesn't work with my TV."
4) Recieve money
5) Turn right around and re-buy a PS2 at discounted cost, making sure refund-denier observes said activity.
6) Cease purchasing from location.
Simple!
Brandon
Re:Refunds.... (Score:2)