Doom III Takes E3 Awards 201
Talinom writes "This has just simply gone too far. CNN has a story that tells how the video game Doom III by id Software has won the "Best Of Show" award at the E3 convention about one year before its release. Does this mean that Duke Nukem Forever is overdue for its "Game Of The Year" award?" The awards site is E3Awards.com. I don't see how they can give an award called "Best Action Game" to something that doesn't exist as a playable game, but then again looking at the past awards I see Neverwinter Nights won in 2000... in 2001... and in 2002.
What? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:What? (Score:1)
It was in gameplay/graphics/sounds/everything the same as the original Doom, but they charged you for the 2 in the title!@
Re:What? (Score:4, Funny)
With sarcasm.
Re:What? (Score:1, Funny)
Re:What? (Score:1)
Re:What? (Score:3, Funny)
Yep! And it was called "Doom II". Doom 1.1 would have been a better name for it....
Re:What? (Score:1)
Re:What? (Score:4, Funny)
I was implying that Doom 2 wasn't much more than Doom 1 with extra levels. It's the type of thing that comes to mind when you add more processing cycles to your cognative process.
Re:What? (Score:3, Funny)
I'd mod this as (+1, Burn) if I could
Re:What? (Score:1)
Lol!!
Moderations would be more entertaining if they used more adjectives.
Re:What? (Score:2)
You must not watch That 70's Show. So here is the dictionary definition:
n.
The fire settled down to a steady burn.
Re:What? (Score:1, Offtopic)
Re:What? (Score:2)
Re:What? (Score:2)
At least be polite about it.
Re:What? (Score:1)
Re:What? (Score:1, Flamebait)
"What did you have for breakfast this moring? Carnation instant Bitch?"
"BURN!!!"
LOL!! Idiot moderation!! (Score:2)
Isn't it amusing that some dumbfuck moderator thought that explaining what the slang term 'burn' means is hateful?
"Oh no!! People will get heated up over the turm 'burn'!! That's as bad as saying Microsoft 0WnZ!
Heh that cost me a karma point or two, but it was funny!
1.1 (Score:1)
Marathon was a better game overall, but Doom II still grabbed some fans for this.
Oh man, Legend of Zelda! (Score:1)
push this rock over a little bit before I go up, up the mountain ahead!
?sp
who cares (Score:2, Funny)
>>overdue for its "Game Of The Year" award?"
Who cares, Never Winter Nights is now in stores!
Re:who cares (Score:2)
Review of Doom3 was just posted ... (Score:1, Redundant)
This is idiotic. I am a huge Doom fan and cannot wait. I salivated over the 90 meg movie. I have promised myself a top of the line PC when it comes out.
Well, now I am safe
This is nuts.
"Watching programming legend John Carmack manipulate the lone marine through the claustrophobic corridors, it was easy to get caught up in the revolutionary steps embodied by the technology on display." I thought the whole idea behind games was so that PEOPLE could play them.
Re:Review of Doom3 was just posted ... (Score:1)
I finally have an excuse...
Oh, yah, and a DVD drive...
:)
Comment of the Year Edition (Score:3, Funny)
Since every game that so much as hits the shelves gives itself a "game of the year" award, the answer is yes. Next question.
Reply of the Year Edition (Score:1)
hits the shelves
... and Satan rides to work on a snowplow?
E3 becoming irrelevant? (Score:4, Insightful)
I prefer getting my game news from sources that refuse to give a verdict on a game until they've had the final shipping version out of the box and played on it for a few days, at least.
Re:E3 becoming irrelevant? (Score:5, Insightful)
After all, Xbox won best hardware of 2000.
And before everyone goes off saying Doom III wasn't playable, it was playable behind closed doors. Or at least playable by John Carmack.
Re:E3 becoming irrelevant? (Score:5, Insightful)
For useful gaming reviews, stick to magazines and web sites. My personal favorite is Computer Gaming World, because of its more mature approach to a subject that tends to be dominated by adolescent superlatives, trash talking, and an ingrained sense of style over substance.
Re:E3 becoming irrelevant? (Score:1)
So, with this in mind, "Best of Show" is just an "impression" award - and that's all it's ever intended to be. Quite simply, this award can't be given on gameplay, because for the most part, what's being shown is in the early development stages, so gameplay hasn't been finalised.
not best game - "best in show" (Score:3, Insightful)
to quote:
"The buzz generated by this early show made Doom III the indisputable 'must see' of E3 2002"
of course, the stupid statement then does call it the best 'game of show' dammit... just ignore that bit.
Re:not best game - "best in show" (Score:1)
stupid stupid... moronic...
go about your business, nothing to see here.
Metal Gear Solid 2 (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Metal Gear Solid 2 (Score:1)
Besides, the coolest thing about E3 was the fact that Trent Reznor was walking around, not Doom3.
Excuse me? (Score:3, Insightful)
Did you ever play doom?
now, second point.
Do you code? If so, and the technological achievement of that engine doesn't impress you?
E3 is noisy, E3 is loud, E3 is hype. But this is doom3.
and you my friend, are no carmack.
Re:Excuse me? (Score:2)
DNF - *THIS* year? lmao (Score:1)
Are you on crack? Wasnt DNF supposed to be released back in -98 or something?
Deserved (Score:1)
Re:Deserved (Score:1)
Re:Deserved (Score:3, Interesting)
And nobody start in on how Id does the engine, and leaves the games for other people. They DO release games, and if they're willing to put them on store shelves they (and you) damn well better be prepared to accept criticism.
Duke Nukem Forever (Score:5, Funny)
Does this mean that Duke Nukem Forever is overdue for its "Game Of The Year" award?"
"Duke Nukem Forever" is not the actual name of the game. It's the expected date of release.
Re:Duke Nukem Forever (Score:1)
Re:Duke Nukem Forever (Score:1)
You mean I've been waiting for Battlecruiser all this time for nothing?
Jaysyn
I dont mean to bitch (Score:1)
It seems that all you have to do to win BOS is turn up with a non-playable demo and wow a few critics, Its like giving a goldern globe for a preview or teaser.
The point of E3 is to demo games which are going to be released this year, normally around september and not things still a good year away from going gold
Cheers thanks for letting me get that out of my system
BTW, I'm not dissing ID or DOOM just E3's brain dead award system
Re:I dont mean to bitch (Score:1)
Lighten up.
Re:I dont mean to bitch (Score:1)
E3 Awards is just another web page... (Score:5, Informative)
It's just like every magazine having its own Best of E3 list. I mean come on, a game I made made it on one of the lists, so trust me it's not seen as a huge accomplishment.
It's called a "show" for a reason.. (Score:2, Interesting)
I see the logic here. (Score:4, Funny)
Yeah, I see the logic here. Let's apply this to women.
The Olsen Twins are hot. Okay, they're 16, but hell, they're hot. Their buns might not yet be fully cooked, but they're due for release in two years, and I can already say that those puppies will be bouncy and full of fun.
So what if Doom isn't finished? It's like a barely underage girl. You just know they'll be even hotter in a year or two.
Re:I see the logic here. (Score:1, Funny)
Maybe in your case it's another beer or two. Perv.
You're wasting your time, believe me (Score:1)
Spent hours collecting pictures, trading shots and insider info - you wait and wait for that next tasty shot, showing a closeup, details you hadn't noticed before, trading little facts, sneaking in backdoors for preview pictures, leeching underground sites before the man shuts them down...
...and 3 years later you come out of jail just to find out the buns cooked, and came out stale. Not to mention your wife left you and you have to move to a new town. They were right, when I told them I was just thinking about their potential, it was a bunch of a useless crap.
I mean, when I say 'their', I mean 3DRealms and Duke. And Doom III. Right.
For everyone who's saying awards don't matter... (Score:1)
On the other hand, when people stop talking about a game, demos stop being shown, and awards stop being won everyone forgets that the game even exists. Anyone want to tell me where Team Fortress 2 is?
this is an appropriate use of the award (Score:3, Insightful)
What exactly is the problem here? I would understand this story if it was about Doom3 being awarded 'Game of the Year', but it's not; it's being honoured as having the most impressive preview out of all the thousands of games out there, and I don't see how anyone could find fault with that.
Now if only... (Score:1)
Yawn (Score:1, Troll)
The first one was only fun because it was new.
Please just let the series die.
And these awards mean what? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:And these awards mean what? (Score:2)
Fair enough. I'm not into the twitch twitch twitchity twitch yet-another-first-person-shooter.
Legend of Zelda (Score:1)
Re:Legend of Zelda (Score:1)
Oh well, having Zelda appear as best console, runner up best of show (next to DOOM III) and best adventure would have been overkill. I'm sure there is some attempt to get as many different games named, than have one game win as many awards as possible like they do on telivised (sp?) Award Shows.
Can somebody please loan Michael a clue....... (Score:5, Informative)
Here's a hint -- you WON'T see Neverwinter Nights again as a candidate for "Best of Show" next year. Next time, be sure to think before you post..........
Re:Can somebody please loan Michael a clue....... (Score:2, Insightful)
You can't tell me that a buyer from a major retail outlet isn't going to look at those results and not think twice about ordering some more SKUs of product. Hype? Sure, but it does have a purpose, contrary to what the original poster and Michael might think.
Re:Can somebody please loan Michael a clue....... (Score:1)
This whole topic is so far off base. The whole point of E3 is for companies to show off games that aren't yet available. "Best game of E3" by definition means "Best game Shown at E3...at which none of the games shown are yet available, because its a trade show..focused on games..that aren't released yet"!
Every day Slashdot sinks to new lows...
don't you mean (Score:1)
um, what about "game of the years" instead?
summary cribbed from Penny Arcade (Score:1)
We've already said what we were going to say regarding Doom III, but seeing it garner the accolades it has just makes me want to say it again louder. There's no game there. There's nothing to comment on from a play perspective, save a few minutes of visual and auditory presentation - like a Future Crew demo writ large. I'm not saying it's going to suck or rule. Maybe id will be the ones to make a real game with their technology again. What I'm saying is that there's nothing to actually know about it. Promising? Okay, you can have "promising." Here you go. Best of show? Not on my watch. What the hell show did you go to?
Hype sux (Score:2, Insightful)
It's actually kind of cool - like when Resident Evil came out for Gamecube, I had no idea that it was in development. Once I found out, I read some reviews and bought the game and it blew me away. I suspect that if I had been caught up in the hype (assuming there was hype for the game) it may not have lived up to my expectations.
Even worst is when you do get caught up in the hype and the end result not only doesn't live up to the hype, but totally blows. Pool of Radiance: Ruins of Myth Drannor did that to me. That's why I never buy a game or watch a movie until I see a few reviews for it anymore.
Still... (Score:1)
I've got one word for you: Advertising. (Score:1)
Jynx
"What do you mean? Of COURSE I know everything!"
Does it matter? (Score:3, Informative)
Well, as a member of the gaming media (I'm an editor for RPGFan.com), I can tell you that E3 is and will continute to be a valuable assest for everyone in the business.
Really, "Best of Show" awards are just fluff. The real nitty-gritty of the show happens on the floor, when thousands of industry folks get to play and see every upcoming game for the next year (or three--depending on the publisher.)
Sure, people give awards as a way to highlight certain events, but that's NOT what E3 is about. I can assure you that people play more than the highlight titles, and it helps the gaming media--and industry as a whole--get better aquainted with upcoming product lineups and emerging publishers/developers.
As long as E3 continutes to be a place for the gaming trade to go and look at a pltehora of upcoming products, it serves its purpose well.
Just my 2 cents...
-Jayde
Re:Does it matter? (Score:2)
Re:Does it matter? (Score:2)
Wow! Now I'm a part of the gaming media too!!!
Re:Does it matter? (Score:2)
The point of E3... (Score:1, Insightful)
It's a show in which publishers show the games off to retailers, so that the retailers know which products to be buying and hyping in the next year.
Of course, the nature of the media and the net in particular means that gamers themselves are very interested in what goes on, but don't forget why the show is there.
NWN won in 2001 because... (Score:2)
Especially for OS X and Linux. Uh.. oh.. wait...never mind.
doom was so popular at e3 that... (Score:1)
Well... (Score:1)
Um... (Score:5, Informative)
ID was approached by some of the people giving the awards during E3 concerning the awards ceremony. They were told that the game could not qualify unless it was in playable form during the show. ID saw this as a really good PR opportunity and DID let the game be shown in playable form... behind closed doors and your entry was based on a lottery system. Look on Kazaa, there's about a 10 minute video that someone took when they smuggled a camcorder into the room (against ID's wishes)
Re:Um... (Score:5, Informative)
The majority of people did not actually sit down and play the game itself. The programmers made a hasty developer build and were showing people diferent levels. The game was being played (by one of the developers), so people could see. The programmers would open up a map, drop in the enemies that are supposed to be in the level, and run around and let people see how the game is coming along. There were VERY few people that actually sat down at the keyboard themselves, but over the course of E3 about 5-10 people were allowed to play instead of just watching.
can't wait (Score:2)
anyway, i'm holding off any video card purchases until this beast is released.
your aim is off good sir (Score:3, Interesting)
However, it is my understanding that 'Best of Show' literally has to do with presentation at E3. meaning that I could go there with a proof of concept, a few screen captures and wireframe models but win if I displayed my booth in a fantastic way. At least that is the way I have seen it in the past. Sort of like how there is 'Best Picture' and 'Best Actor/Actress' awards.
Re:your aim is off good sir (Score:2)
Tell me about it! Just today I was looking at the Amazon page for Grand Theft Auto 3, Gameboy Advance version. It's got a 4.5 star average rating with almost 20 reviews... and it's not even out yet!
Huh? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Huh? (Score:1)
In order to compete a game must have been shown in playable form. Playable form is defined as the ability for the judge or a developer to manipulate the game in real-time running on its native platform. Games which were only demonstrated via videotapes, screenshots, rendered movies, concept art, sell sheets, press kits, EPKs, or any derivative thereof were automatically disqualified from consideration in the major award categories. However, non-playable games were still eligible for Special Commendations in Graphics and Sound Design.
(from www.e3awards.com)
I got this reply when I mailed them regarding if Doom III was playable:
Actually, Doom III was playable at the show. It was shown in playable format to the judges and others behind closed doors at the Activision booth. We do have a rule stating that games must be playable. The video shown in the theater was not eligible for this reason, but Activision did show playable code and it passed eligibility.
Thanks
Rob
Doom III got people excited (Score:4, Interesting)
Even so, Doom III is currently all about rendering. It looks really nice. The lighting and shadows are amazing. It's going to up the bar a couple of notches for everyone else. But is it a game? No one really knows yet. And we don't know if there's any innovation there besides the rendering engine. It takes a dozen or more people to make a modern game (50 or more for big titles), and there's usually one person writing the core rendering code. Everyone else works on the game side of things. So don't make the mistake of equating rendering with gameplay.
Re:Doom III got people excited (Score:2)
Re:Doom III got people excited (Score:1)
Remember Doom? (Score:2)
Missed out again (Score:2, Flamebait)
"... [Neverwinter Nights] is destined to be the more-addictive-than-crack game of 2001. - Aaron John Loeb Chairman, Game Critics Awards"
I miss out on all the good games. Oh well, I should be able to find it in the bargin bin by now.
YEA BABY (Score:1)
"... Leave it to Trent Reznor, frontman for Nine Inch Nails, to meet and exceed that challenge. Reznor's richly textured 5.1 channel soundtrack literally rocked the theater, forming an important part of the ever-so-impressive multimedia assault that was DOOM III..."
you may recall trent from quake, he wouldn't put his seal on it if it was shit.. now i need to save for a gf4 i'm afraid
Re:YEA BABY (Score:1)
Re:YEA BABY (Score:2, Informative)
Those "issues" Matrox is afraid of [H]ard|OCP revealing might be something like lack of vertex and/or pixel shaders... which are currently the only efficient way to do bumpmapping.
However, this is only speculation, since, after all, no one has seen a Parhelia for themselves though and gotten a chance to play with it extensively. Who knows? The Parhelia could be a GF4Ti-killer (not likely, but it's nice to hope
Re:YEA BABY (Score:2)
According to the information circling the net about the Parhelion, it should have vertex and pixel shaders. Vertex shader should be a DirectX 9.0 version, and the pixel shader should be 8.1 or a little better.
My guess is that they didn't want, or weren't authorized, to give Hard-OCP a copy of the board with DirectX 9.0, so they wouldn't be able to see all the neat things like displacement maps anyways. And I doubt they're writing any DirectX 8.0/8.1 drivers... so it wouldn't be useful to Hard-OCP anyways. I wouldn't sweat it.
Re:YEA BABY (Score:2)
Doom III rant (Score:4, Insightful)
My concern is simply this, I have seen A LOT of Id bashing these past few weeks since E3. Frankly, the PA guys aren't helping much with the whole "I wish they would make a game out of the engine sometime" attitude. They have that opinion, and although I tend to disagree with it, they are entitled to it. I am more concerned with the HORDES of end users who take this idea and treat it as biblical law rather than thinking on their own. I agree Id does not have a truly working full game out yet. H-ll, I am sure they are nowhere near done, but just because the graphics are amazing and it is an Id release, does not necessarily mean that this game will be plotless. Doom III is the first Id game I can think of where a WRITER (from 7th Guest and 11th Hour) was hired for the team.
I have a theory regarding successful companies and end users opinions regarding them. It seems fashionable to hold successful, established companies in low regard. While us readers of Slashdot bash Micro$oft, we at least have A LOT of material to work with. (I think of the hundreds of security loopholes, system crashes, and restarts over the past few years I had to deal with.
In closing, I would say that this demo deserved the award it got, does this mean the game will rule all when it is released? Not necessarily, I only saw less than 7 minutes of gameplay. When comparing this to the 29 hours I spent on RTCW, this seems trite indeed. However, this demo did give me a glimpse into the future of gaming technologies, something I hold dear to my heart. I want to know that through this recession, through this war on terrorism, through the Colombine tragedy, and in this post dot com world, that somebody has the ability to be creative, talented, and gutsy enough to push the envelope and change the industry for the better. Did Id give me a great game? We will find out when it is released. Did Id give me hope for a bright future for games? I would say a resounding yes.
Re:Doom III rant (Score:2)
My understanding is the PA guys did watch the demo, and they thought it was a standard DM FPS.
I don't care if its playable or not, but just adding prettier graphics to a DM FPS is crap. The gaming community doesn't want that, they want SUBSTANCE. Innovation is about to get a second wind in the gaming industry (and I mean innovation in game play, not graphic engines). Just watch.
Thought it was spam (Score:1)
No screenshots, no videos, just a little blurb.
The big deal? (Score:1)
Excuse me, did I miss something here? (Score:2)
And Doom III was demoed at the show.
And, one might presume, the most interesting PC game there.
So how exactly is it odd for it to win? The award isn't for best thing you can buy in the shops, it's for best thing exhibited at the show.
I'd guess at least 60% of the stuff at E3 isn't out yet. That would be rather the point of E3, wouldn't it?
There were better games at the show (Score:1, Interesting)
Republic : the revolution is an original and far more interesting looking game, and that was also shown at E3.
Still, maybe DOOM III had a bigger bar tab for journalists. Essentially its Doom I with better graphics. Hardly reason to buy a whole new PC just to play it is it?
Doom3: Now with more lens flares & colored lig (Score:3, Informative)
(taken from: http://www.ridiculopathy.com/news_detail.php?id=5
Vaporware Doom Sequel Wins Coveted E3 Hype Award [ridiculopathy.com]
LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA- On Tuesday, officials from the Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3) awarded Id Software's Doom III its "Best Game For Any Platform Ever" prize. In an effort to remain true to the spirit of the game development industry, they announced the award several weeks after the expo itself had closed.
"Anyone can develop a decent game these days," said industry observer and mother's basement dweller Randall Smudgeworth. "It's a far, far tougher thing to talk up a product that doesn't even exist in playable form yet, to work your potential customers into a froth and yet have nothing to actually sell them."
Taking a page from the Myst III: Exile playbook, Id plans to ship a product by Christmas, even though a stable build of the product won't be possible until Q2 2003.
Lead developer John Carmack told reporters that his company has its priorities in order. "We're hoping to release a completely crippled game, something that not only doesn't work but also does some permanent damage to your PC if it's at all possible. It's a goal we're very committed to right now."
Even if the company blows the fall 2002 release timetable, it may not do much damage to the company financially. Recent earnings reports indicate that Id's primary business model is now built around distributing screen shots for upcoming titles to various gaming websites.
"As a company we are 100% focused on meeting our screenshot deadlines," said Carmack. "E3 is just more proof of how important that is."
The following is an excerpt from the company's strategic mission and vision, printed in their 2002 annual report:
Carmack used the press conference as a platform to formally announce that Doom III screenshots will soon have multiplayer capabilities, including a Team Fortress mod due out later this summer.
Also contributing to the industry buzz is the return of Trent Reznor to design the game's soundtrack. During the development of Quake Reznor's Nine Inch Nails were selling out arenas. Now that Reznor spends most of his days playing games in an effort to avoid working on his never-to-be-completed orchestral album, he says that he's only too glad to lend his work to Id's never-to-be-completed game.
With the big win at E3, Id's Doom 3 now joins the illustrious ranks of the mega-mucho-uber hyped Daikitana, produced by former Id designer John Romero. The long-delayed and buggy first person sword fighter set the bar very high for other vaporware games to follow. Carmack admits that he's a bit worried that Doom III may not generate enough glowing pre-reviews and non-playable demos to put them over the top.
"I only hope we can live up to all of this. If we're really lucky the game will never come out and people will continue to adore us. Thankfully for John [Romero] everybody loved Daikitana."
Re:doom |||? (Score:3, Funny)
10 Swig of beer
20 puff of cig
30 click click click click
40 goto 10
:)
Huh? (Score:1, Redundant)
Definition:
Trade Show : "An event at which goods and services in a specific industry are exhibited and demonstrated."
In this case, the industry is the gaming/entertainment industry and note that it mentions nothing about excluding products in development. Just because a game isn't finished doesn't mean it isn't better than most of the half-assed titles out there now.