Gaming on the IMAX 186
JavaTenor writes "The Tech Museum in San Jose, CA, is holding the 1st Annual MaxGames tournament on August 15, 2002. The final matches for each game will be held on the IMAX Dome screen, so if you've ever wanted to play Halo eight stories high, this is the event for you."
finally it pays off! (Score:3)
personally, i would rather play a god type game with that perspective... GTA, Warcraft 3, etc.
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Halo 8 Stories High (Score:5, Funny)
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Pong? Nope. Star Raiders? YES! (Score:3, Interesting)
Screw Halo! Imagine playing PONG on this thing
You may laugh, but that sure brought back a memory. Back in 1981 I was in college and working at the student union setting up for a concert later that evening when one of the building's directors wheels in this big, bulky thing and starts to roll down the 20-foot diagonal movie screen. Come to find out it was a new projection TV system. (Films were popular on campus, so the thinking was why not project videos, too?)
A lightbulb went off and I asked "What does it use for inputs?"
"Basically any NTSC source; there's antenna connections and RCA jacks."
Within 15 minutes' time, I'd hooked up my Atari 800 (*) to the projector and to the concert sound system (1000 Watts!) and started Star Raiders(**). The explosions were deafening, and when I launched into hyperspace, it sounded like a jet was taking off in the student union! Got to play for almost an hour until some students complained they couldn't study.
(*) That was a 6502 (8-bit) system. IIRC it ran at 2 MHz; had 8 KB of memory; display was in color and capable of 12 rows of 40 characters. It was pretty advanced at the time!
(**) Star Raiders was a killer app of the time. Many people bought an Atari 800 (or 400) just so they could play it! It was certainly a big factor in my decision.
Re:Pong? Nope. Star Raiders? YES! (Score:2)
Very similar, in High School, we had a projector that was in the Auditorium where we'd have study halls etc. Well, seeing as a few friends were going in over the weekend for play practice, we decided to show up early, and throw around some Street Fighter 2 on the big screen.
I was definitely in awe. Even though it was pixellated, and a little dim (not the best equipment, even for it's day), having Ryu and Ken as tall as 2 humans was sweet!
:O! (Score:2, Funny)
Re::O! (Score:3, Funny)
a new game, they can't do that!!!
Re::O! (Score:3, Funny)
shit, I can't believe I remember that movie
Best Quote from The Wizard: (Score:1)
Re:Best Quote from The Wizard: (Score:2)
Zelda 1 had warp whistles (Score:3, Informative)
The funny thing about the movie [The Wizard] was when the girl was telling the kid what to do when he played [a beta version of Super Mario Bros. 3]
She says: "Find a warp!" There were warp zones in the first three Super Mario Bros. games (SMB 1, SMB 2: The Lost Levels, and SMB 2: Mario Madness).
like she would really know where the damn warp whistle was ....
She says: "Use the flute!" Jimmy played a metric buttload of NES games to prepare for the competition. The puzzles in those games typically fell into cliché patterns [everything2.com]. It's not likely that he never touched Nintendo's The Legend of Zelda, which included warp whistles that even played the same tune.
What ticked me off with respect to the final round of that movie was how Jimmy got points just for warping to world 4 Giant Land. None of the Super Mario Bros. games give you points for warping. And the game didn't seem to have the concentration game yet. SMB 3 gives the player a concentration game (called "N-spade" by some players) after every 80,000 points; Jimmy finished with 81,520. Yes, I'm sick enough to remember that.
Re:Zelda 1 had warp whistles (Score:2)
I would not be surprised if the thing was still in beta when they filmed it.
Re::O! (Score:2)
Man I miss the NES days. Zelda, ExciteBike, throwing your controller through a window because you just fucked up the Top Gun carrier landing for the 750th time.
Re::O! (Score:2)
Hence the reason you should have been playing AfterBurner.
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Not likely to do you any good in your home though. (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Not likely to do you any good in your home thou (Score:1)
Re:Not likely to do you any good in your home thou (Score:1)
Actually.. (Score:1)
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IMAX... (Score:1)
Re:IMAX... (Score:1)
-J
Re:IMAX... (Score:2)
The only good iMAX films I ever saw were ones made by NASA for the iMAX at KSC.
Re:IMAX...Old Good, New Bad.. (Score:3, Interesting)
Without a doubt the older movies are far better then the current efforts. The first IMAX filmmakers had a whole new canvas to draw on and used their abilities to the fullest.
The very first IMAX film was basically a travalogue for Northern Ontario which isn't a place you'd normally go. (Too many mosquitos and not much else) But the makers of "North of Superior" made it visually spectacular with a great soundtrack and an eye for the small details of northern life that translated so well to the large screen.
It was a big kick watching it in a retrospective years later and seeing the same gasping reaction from the audience to the opening sequence...
The little opening titles transitioning to a small square in the middle of the screen with what looks like rushing water behind and a soft folksy acoustic guitar soundtrack that fades out.
Then...
BOOOM! The picture blasts out to fill your entire field of view and you find yourself in a plane skimming fast over a northern lake. Soaring up and banking to the left you fly towards sheer cliffs just missing the edge then violently bank to the right and dive down the other side of the ridge.
Absolute fscking magic.
Re:IMAX... (Score:3, Funny)
Heck, I proved that in a meeting just this morning.
Resolution... (Score:5, Informative)
I think IMAX is really cool, but things not designed to play on an IMAX screen don't necessarily translate well. The IMAX screen over at Navy Pier in Chicago does showings of various non-imax movies during weekends at midnight. So, some friends of mine and I went to see the Matrix there.
The problem is that it was filmed for being shown in a normal theater. So all of the quick cuts are just totally overwhelming on that screen. Furthermore, the images end up being rather grainy because the scale is so much bigger than is natual. And if you happen to see it on a dome IMAX, then you've got that as another impact on it. The sound was awesome, but man it's hard to watch.
Re:Resolution... (Score:2)
i have an 800x600 (might even be 640x480 i forget) projector at home and it scalls to 20' diagonal very playably...
Re:Resolution... (Score:2)
Anti-aliasing would probably make a notice-able blur, or whatever side-effects it has will be magnified. Anti-aliasing cannot tell the differences betwen lines that are supposed to be de-jaggied and those which really do represent sharp edges or angles. It takes a human do to that right.
Why not just do it in a regular theater? Imax is overkill for real-time computer-generated images. Sounds like the size is about hype and not an experience-enhancer.
Re:Resolution... (Score:1)
First "regular" movie I saw on an IMAX was Hannibal when they were showing it on the IMAX at the Metreon [metreon.com] in San Francisco (durring Hannibal's opening week). I was kinda surprised when the ticket ripping guy told us to go to the IMAX theater, and kinda wondered how it would work on the gigundo screen. Worked out pretty well IMHO. It didn't appear grainy or anything. The only problem was that since we got there late and had to sit near the front, it was difficult to focus on the whole screen. Also I noticed that they did only filled about 3/4ths of the screen. Still, when I went to see it again on a regular screen (what can I say, I liked Hannibal) it just didn't compare. I'm surprised that places with IMAXes don't show regular run movies more often.
Re:Resolution... (Score:2)
It's more common than you think. Out here in the East Bay, there is a theater that pretty much always runs a couple of shows per week of the most popular movie on the IMAX screen. So far this year I've seen LOTR, Spiderman and AOTC in "IMAX".
IIRC they scale the movie so that it spans the whole screen horizontally, leaving a black band at the top and bottom. Sort of like TV letterboxing.
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It's the Regal Hacienda Crossing 20 in Dublin. It's right off of I-580 just east of the the I-580 & I-680 interchange.
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you are right (Score:4, Informative)
check it out here [howstuffworks.com].
anyway -- playing games on that would be rediculously hard. the point of IMAX is so that your entire peripheral vision is occupied. except that in games etc, the part of the screen which is now at the far end of your p.vision actually conveys important information... so i would imagine this won't come out too well.
but it's all about the bragging rights afterall, i guess.
Re:you are right (Score:2)
We loaded quake, and it has the 180 degree profile and we were very surprised to see objects that weren't displayed on screen being displayed. All we did was tweak the GL viewport to get the display going. So.. Quake wouldn't work. Never know.. Halo may have perspective ratios setup for that.
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Re:you are right (Score:2)
I have a 23" viewable monitor, that due to my cramped computer area, is only about 18" from my nose while playing.
Aside from giving me a nice tan, I get waxed in shooter games because it doesn't give me any MORE peripheral vision, it just puts the same FOV out the edges of my REAL FOV - arguably, this is more realistic, except that shooters are generally tunnel-vison 90 degree FOV anyway.
Re:Resolution... (Score:1)
For folks in the LA area, the IMAX at Universal CityWalk shows visually spectacular movie releases on each weekend (so far I've seen the Matrix, Gladiator, Final Fantasy, Crouching Tiger, and Spiderman there) but don't go unless you are willing to deal with all the tourists and $6 parking fee.
Halo 8 stories high (Score:3, Funny)
A start.. (Score:1)
Maybe if the IMAX theaters are opening up to allow such 'adolescent' activities such as a video game competition, they'll start to broaden their selection of movies and relax their conservative death grip.
We can always hope anyway.
Re:A start.. (Score:5, Interesting)
Because of this I am absolutely positive that you could collect a full day's worth of complete "documentaries" that were not much more than a collection of helicopter/plane flights for no real reason other than to induce vertigo.
One documentary I know my whole family jumped at the chance to see was entitled "Speed". If I remember correctly, the first five minutes or so were computer generated tunnels which, of course, got faster and faster until people were practically passing out in their seats. They had cockpit footage in formula racers, jets, land-speed-record type vehicles, etc.
The most thrilling scene I ever saw in an IMAX documentary was the escape procedure taken by astronauts in case of a critical emergency on the launch pad. It involved strapping onto a line that's connected somewhere around the top of the shuttle and then zipping along into a net at ground level. It was completely unexpected in a fascinating documentary primarily dominated by shots of Earth from space.
Of course, none of this tops when I got a little older and started going to watch the midnight Led Zeppelin laser shows baked out of my mind, though. So I wouldn't worry about at least that theater allowing more adolescent activities. I mean
Re:A start.. (Score:2)
The last IMAX film was kinda slow and boring. It was something about caves. Why can't they put interesting MOVIES in IMAX format? It would be cool if they had filmed like the Matrix 2 in 35mm AND the IMAX format.
OK, so which were "good" IMAX Films? (Score:3, Interesting)
I saw the very first and subsequent 30+ IMAX films long before it became a common fixture at the local cineplex. (We're talking the 70's here)
There may be a bit of nostalgia but I recall the earlier films being FAR more entertaining than the current product.
"Siegfried and Roy"? Please.
"North of Superior" the first, remains my favourite. A mix of dynamic plane and helicopter shots with slow, almost lyric scenes from the North. The kids playing hockey on a snow-coverted street at twilight. The view from a tugboat pulling away from an ice-covered laker.
Last year we were able to watch "Silent Sky" which, while a bit repetitive, remains one of the most outstanding examples of aerial cinema ever produced.
And, although I've seen most of the Shuttle-filmed features, it was the docking scene in "Mission to Mir" that had me sitting there with my mouth hanging open. I haven't seen "Space Station" yet, though...
"If you live in the past, you are already repeating it." - Me.
Re:A start.. (Score:2)
Let me tell you something: Stereo vision + high res 70 mm film + round screen that provides peripheral vision = wow!
As I said, the movie visuals sucked. However, in the beginning (before they tried to get to the crappy plot) they had a camera dollying over an area of Canada where they were excavating fossils. The effect was startling because the stereo + high res film depicting a real place was
Won't this look like crap? (Score:1)
Aside from the geek "because I can" aspect (which I totally respect, BTW
Re:Won't this look like crap? (Score:4, Informative)
Quite possibly. IMAX movies use 70mm film because 35mm doesn't quite have enough resolution. IMAX movies also run up to 60 fps because at 24 strobing is far too distracting.
However, there is a far bigger problem to playing games on the IMAX screen: They video card (or the software) has to warp the video so that it'll look correct on the screen. It doesn't look right if the regular image is projected on the screen.
Why would anyone play this? I can think of a really good reason right now: peripheral vision. I depend on peripheral vision while I'm driving, I'd LOVE to have that capability in a video game. It'd definitely be an interesting experience.
Re:Won't this look like crap? (Score:1)
Although digital manipulation is always more fun, I suspect they have a lens that does this distortion for you. :-)
Re:Won't this look like crap? (Score:2)
Basically you'd need a 'fisheye' distortion filter for Quake.
Re:Won't this look like crap? (Score:2)
First use a high resolution digital film projector, like the ones Lucas thought were going to be so widespread that Episode II could be shown on them exclusively.
Secondly, if Bungie is involved they could easily modify the game to change both the width of the field of view and the virtual lens size (if necessary). These two changes if possible would truly take advantage of the size and shape of the IMAX screen.
Third, big hardware. I'm not talking about a GeForce4 4600, I'm talking a high end workstation card. Sure you might lose some of the more advanced effects but if the card supported the higher resolutions and good AA it would probably look better than trying to push a consumer grade card.
Of course keep in mind that this is mostly - pull the ideas out of my ass conjecture.
The Real Killer App (Score:1, Funny)
In 3-D! (Score:1)
GT3! (Score:2)
Too bad I live in Florida and don't have the money to fly over there to participate.
Arhh (Score:1)
Projections (Score:1)
OmniMax not IMAX (Score:5, Informative)
The sound system on the other hand features 6 channel 13000 watts of quad-damage (to your ears as much as your avatar) coming from 44 speakers.
Re:OmniMax not IMAX (Score:1)
Well, around here, the quad damage powerup is also known as the "shake the fucking house" powerup, thanks to my Klipsch Promedia speakers. I imagine the folks in San Jose will soon discover just how earthquake-resistant their building is.
OmniMax == IMAX Dome (Score:2)
Perhaps the IMAX folks have their fingers in the OmniMax market now, too.
screen burn in? (Score:2, Funny)
Just wait until the Tech Museum tries to charge you after you burn in [ht101.com] your game images on their projector!
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HD games for XBox. (Score:1)
Too slow... (Score:1)
can you imagine (Score:1)
I always have to take it to the next level.
1 screen = obsolete. (Score:2)
We all know that true 3l33t gamers will say something like "Screw Imax, monoscreen gaming sucks, I use a parhelia and I *need* 3 displays, does IMAX offers 3 screens gameplay? no! so it's already obsolete HA!".
I'm not sure this is a good idea... (Score:2)
For best effect in Quake-based games... (Score:5, Funny)
DOA3... (Score:1)
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What no Doom? (Score:1)
Xbox Games: Project Gotham Racing, Halo, Tony Hawk, DOA, NFL Fever
GameCube Games: Super Monkey Ball, Soccer Slam, SSX Tricky
PlayStation2 Games: Gran Turismo, Virtua Fighter 4
I remember playing Doom on a projection screen at work years ago (okay so the training room was empty and I was supposed to be setting up the network, but you've gotta 'test' these things somehow) and it was great
I agree with previous comments about how well these games will scale up tho. It will certainly be interesting to see which console (and game) ends up coming out on top in terms of eye-candy on screens this size...
It won't be full-screen (Score:4, Informative)
How Big is the IMAX Screen?
A: The IMAX theater screen is a huge wrap around dome. We'll be able to project the games onto an image about 40' by 60'.
Games Listed Don't Exploit {I,Omni}MAX Format (Score:3, Interesting)
Maybe it's just me, but aside from the resolution problems of blowing an NTSC display up to OmniMAX sizes, seeing Virtua Fighter $(N) on an OmniMAX screen just doesn't make me want to get up and check out the competition. NFL Fever? Please. The X-style games (Tony Hawk, SSX Tricky) and racing games (Gran Turismo) might possibly be interesting.
OTOH, if you want to get me to claw my way to the head of the line, all you have to do is set up nearly any of the Star Wars spaceflight games (Star Wars Starfighter, XWing Alliance, etc.). Crank the resolution to 1280 * 1024 * 32bpp and even on an IMAX screen it would look stunning. Go the extra mile and compensate for the spherical projection surface, and you could have a major spectator attraction on your hands ("Come ride shotgun in an XWing fighter as some of the best gamers on the planet go after the Death Star").
I've always wanted to experience a truly immersive space flight simulator. XWing Alliance on an OmniMAX screen would do it.
Schwab
fun with physics (Score:1)
Halo eight stories high. (Score:3, Funny)
on a regular TV.
I hope the theater has barf bags...
Re:Halo eight stories high. (Score:2)
At 8 stories high... (Score:2)
so if you've ever wanted to play Halo (Score:5, Funny)
No, not really
However imagine nethack at that size!
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Je Vais Vomir (Score:1)
Katie Couric (Score:2)
Re:Katie Couric (Score:1)
AH! I almost missed your title - your a sick bastard.
Fuck IMAX (Score:2)
laser goggles (Score:1)
Oh boy! (Score:1)
Super Sized Mame (Score:2)
Did a mini version of this (Score:2)
Man, I lasted about 3 minutes, and I thought I was going to puke. Staying as far from the screen as possible, I still had to move my head side-to-side to see all the action, and I had bad-ass motion sickness.
The resolution was actually pretty good, even for the 800x600 projector - no real pixelization. I wouldn't do it again, though. On an IMAX I bet it would be even worse.
no SSBM? (Score:1)
What about Super Smash Brothers Melee? Easily the best multiplayer title for the GameCube.
Why does The Tech close so early? (Score:2)
I don't know how many times I've been in San Jose for a convention, usually less than a few blocks from The Tech, but have been unable to go because they close at 6.
San Jose, the city that's alive way into the wee hours of the morning...
*sigh*
Hmm ... How will that work? (Score:1)
With a screen that large, they could easily project 9+ screens of gameplay. Might be interesting. I've always thought video/computer games should be available as a spectator sport. I guess that's one way to do it, although not the 'bring it to the masses' that I would hope to see one day.
If I were to undertake a project such as this, I'd set up a central larger viewscreen run much like spectator sports are today - with a director choosing which feed to show (first person views to 3rd person cameras placed around the level) with each individual's play screen lining the sides.
Do it Yourself (Score:2, Interesting)
I used to do this all the time (Score:3, Interesting)
For my last year of high school I went to a charter school that was housed in St. Paul's (as in Minnesota) old science museum. And lo and behold, they use to have an imax screen. The old imax theatre was transformed into the audiotorium and once a week we held gaming contests. We played all the N64 classics (goldeneye, mario kart, etc. etc.) and all the new X-box games on the huge screen. It was seriously a lot of fun.
The best though, was bringning in our own computers (the school's computers blew hard) and setting up Quake III tourney's, Counter-Strike tournmanets, TFC, and etc, on the school's network. The cool part was, if you weren't playing at any given time you could walk into the auditorium and watch the game spectator style on the huge screen.
Re:When you think GAMING, think IGN! (Score:2)
Re:Hm. I'll bring my dramamine. (Score:1)