Gamecube Finally Plays GBA Games 364
ytzombe writes "Gamespot News is reporting that for about 5000 yen an attachment will be available to play GBA games on the Gamecube. The serial port underneath the system will be the gateway to the device and will include a port to enable multiplayer games. This will finally allow me to play the Castlevania games without fusing my naked retina to the screen."
Metroid Prime (Score:5, Interesting)
Metroid Prime is INCREDIBLE. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Metroid Prime is INCREDIBLE. (Score:2)
Tomorrow, I'm going to go buy a GBA and Metroid Fusion.
I guess when this thing comes out I won't have to play Metroid Fusion on a wee-tiny little nearly invisible screen, which is fine by me.
Re:Metroid Prime is INCREDIBLE. (Score:5, Funny)
No word if this works with Metroid II or Super Metroid... Hopefully those stealthy code-crackers will figure that one out soon.
-Jayde
Re:Metroid Prime is INCREDIBLE. (Score:3, Interesting)
Hoping you have played MGS and/or FF7 when they were first released, would you consider your initial reaction to Metriod Prime to be similar? If it is really that good, then maybe I should seek out a GameCube for the same reason.
Interestingly, I also bought a DreamCast for only one game: Marvel vs. Capcom 2. Granted, that game is not nearly as cool as any of these other games we are talking about (I mean, come on, it is a fighting game), but it sure is addictive. Considering the arcade scene is pretty competitive down here in Orange County, I've probably spent more hours on MvC2 than any other game ever
Anyone else buy a console for just one game?
No doubt! (Score:2)
One of the most polished games that I have played for years. I can't believe that the little GameCube is capable of such breathtaking graphics.
Make no mistake... This is Metroid. Everything about it is Metroid, only in 3D. It is the most perfect transistion that I have ever seen a 2D platformer make. And there is *so much* story here too. It isn't an all-out frag fest like most FPS games. It is about exploration and puzzles. I think that the monsters are only in there to keep you on your toes.
This is a platform/aventure game in the first person. It is the perfect way to resurrect a series that many of us started playing about 15 years ago.
Re:No doubt! (Score:3, Insightful)
MP is the perfect transition from 2D to 3D.
I love the action of games like Quake3, but playing MP last night I remembered why the old school Nintendo games (Metroid, Zelda etc) were/are so addicting; you need to use your brain to figure stuff out. They are not just spray and pray games.
That is why I decided on the GC instead of PS2 or the XBOX, playable games. MP was the hook though, as were Madden 2002/2003 to a lesser degree.
Re:Metroid Prime (Score:5, Informative)
No, the article is about a way to play GBA games on your NGC sans GBA. Metroid Prime uses the link cable with the GBA to do two things -- beat Metroid Prime and link to Metroid Fusion, and you can play the game using Samus' new Fusion suit. Beat Metroid Fusion and link the two, and you can play the original Metroid on the GameCube. (I may have those reversed on what you have to do to get each, but those are the two things you get.) Since you need to have the Prime disk in the NGC to access these features, and you have to use an emulator disk with this peripheral, I don't believe you're going to be able to connect the NGC back to itself via the GBA link cable. It'd be kinda sweet if you could, but that would mean the peripheral itself would just be a GBA that sits under the cube and hooks into the cube's A/V outputs, which it's not.
You got it wrong. There is no "emulator" disc. (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Metroid Prime (Score:2)
A 3D metroid had all the markings of a poor crossover. However just like Mario and Zelda, Nintendo (& Retro) have shown they know exactly how to cross the 2D/3D barrier without taking away the essence of a classic game.
Re:Metroid Prime (Score:4, Insightful)
This is a troll .. There is full freedom of movement. There is nothing on rails like some XBox fanboys were trying to rumor. It plays at a solid 60fps in full 3D, and it is by FAR the best 1st person controlled game ever. Nintendo & Rare got the controls down so slick. Really, it is insane. You obviously haven't played it, and I will assume you're just upset you got locked out of the XBox Live because your modchip got you canned.
Re:Metroid Prime (Score:3, Informative)
But yeah, the controls are nice. Especially jumping.
The people who complain about the controls are people who expect it to be another Halo or GoldenEye. If you play it from the same frame of mind as you would play any other Metroid game, then the controls are perfect. If you play it expecting another Halo, then you'll hate the controls and won't like the game at all.
Re:Metroid Prime (Score:3, Informative)
Or you can just move the analog joystick in the direction you'd like to look... that always works for me. If you're referring to the manual aiming mode, then yes, you must press the R button and then use the analog stick. I'm not sure where you got 4 from though.
button mashing contests to shoot monsters first
Not exactly. Sometimes if there's a horde of beetles or wasps or something, then it does get frantic. But most of the time this is not the case. In fact, most of your time isn't really spent dispatching enemies in a frag-fest like most FPS. It's more like Metroid on the SNES, where you have to take out some creature roaming around on a platform you'd like to jump onto. Exploration and platforming are key to Metroid Prime.
you cannot look up or down and walk at the same time
This is true, but it hasn't been a problem for me. The jumping/platforming in Metroid is quite good and not nearly as frustrating as it normally is in a FPS-- probably because it isn't like most FPS.
just to keep the hideous hud from blinding me
You can adjust the HUD's opacity in the options menu.
Re:Metroid Prime (Score:2)
Which in turn means... (Score:4, Funny)
Lemme get this straight. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Lemme get this straight. (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Lemme get this straight. (Score:2)
Re:Lemme get this straight. (Score:2)
I would not say "completely" --- Keep in mind the most important feature of the GBA is that its portable.
Re:Lemme get this straight. (Score:5, Insightful)
A $44 attachment for a $70 unit to plug into your $150 console to play $35 games with the quality lesser than that of a 1990 era NES that sells for $20?
Have you actually played one? (Score:3, Informative)
If you can say that with any degree of seriousness my guess is the answer is no. The graphics are most definitely comparable to a mid-1990s SNES, the 16 bit one, not the NES (the 8 bit).
Besides, I think you're missing the point entirely; far too many modern games suck because they over-emphasize the importance of graphics. I'll take the old Final Fantasy games for the SNES over the newer ones any day for the simple reason that they were more fun. The graphics were usually pretty simple, but the story and game play were always unbeatable, and GBA has done a bit to bring that sort of game play back
Re:Lemme get this straight. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Lemme get this straight. (Score:2)
$41.34 American Dollars,
$65.53221 Canadain,
40.82965 Euros,
26.00493 Pounds,
$73.58498 Australian Dollars.
I like the new calculator in OS X 10.2
interesting... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:interesting... (Score:5, Funny)
-Kaplan
Yaknow... (Score:5, Funny)
You really should get that looked at. It can't be heathy.
Maybe this is only funny becuase it's so late on the East Coast of the US.
umm... (Score:5, Funny)
Hmm... I think someone isn't quite clear on the use of the word approximately.
Re:umm... (Score:2)
-Sokie
TV Adapter (Score:5, Informative)
Conversion (Score:5, Funny)
$40.85 USD
$5,000 Canad..Whoops, $64.61 Canadian
wow (Score:5, Insightful)
- oh wait I can just dust off the snes in the attic!
Re:wow (Score:2)
Compare the prices of new games for the SNES and the same games for the GBA.
A new copy of Breath of Fire for SNES will cost you at least $75 (on a good day) on eBay. It's also available for GBA for $30. New system buyers who don't buy old or used stuff just to be "retro" are better served by this adapter. For people who buy used, the SNES is probably the better system to have, but you won't have any new games.
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Re:wow (Score:2)
I already own both. I also like to own my games.
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Emulate carts you own with RIAA v Diamond (Score:3, Informative)
I also like to own my games.
Then only dump the cartridges that you have purchased. Format-shifting of non-encrypted media such as GBA games is your right under the RIAA v. Diamond precedent.
Video cards are expensive (Score:3, Informative)
Buy a Gravis gamepad an a video card that supports video out.
Let's see... Can you get a good gamepad (the Gravis GamePad Pro USB is too touchy on the SE diagonal), a video card with TV-out, and a $30 PC link cable [lik-sang.com] for under $40? thought so.
Even if you don't have a Cube, it's difficult to squeeze a good gamepad, a video card with TV-out and 3D acceleration, and a PC link cable for $190 ($150 for Cube and $40 for wideboy).
Afterburner (Score:5, Informative)
Or, if you're feeling particularly ambitious, you can install Triton Labs' [tritonlabs.com] Afterburner lighting kit.
Sure, you'll have to open up your GBA and do some (very easy) soldering, but if you're reading Slashdot, chances are that you either
A) Can solder in your sleep
B) Are smart enough to find someone who can solder if you're not up to the challenge, rather than fuck up your GBA by trying anyway.
The end result is worth it. Clear visibility in any lighting, even complete darkness! Sure, there's a modest drain on the batteries, but you'd get the same drain using an (inferior) external lighting solution. Plus, you can opt to install the potentiometer (included) to allow you to dim or turn off the light when not needed.
Sure, you can buy the attachment to play GBA games on the GC, but why? The main reason to buy a Gameboy is portability. If you want to play the games on a large screen, get an emulator.
Re:Afterburner (Score:2)
Re:Afterburner (Score:3, Informative)
Best thing I ever did to my GBA.
Re:Afterburner (Score:2)
That said, it's a fun little project/upgrade and really makes a huge difference to the GBA.
Format-shifting is not a crime (Score:2)
So the GC-Cube adapter will let them play games like Mario Advance leagally without having to get a GameBoy Advance or violating copyright law.
To play Super Mario Advance lawfully, you can buy Super Mario Advance and then
Cheap alternative? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Cheap alternative? (Score:2)
You mean Metroid Fusion is available for the SNES? And nobody told me!?!? I suppose next you'll tell me that the Zelda: Oracle games were available for the NES as well...
Thats exactly it.. Newer 2D games! (Score:2)
Not an unprecedented idea... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Not an unprecedented idea... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Not an unprecedented idea... (Score:2)
Sega also made a system called the Nomad that played Genesis games but was hand held. It came about pretty late in the life of the Genesis (it has 6 buttons on the controller) and was orginally a Toy-R-Us exclusive.
Re:Not an unprecedented idea... (Score:2)
I know of no adaptor to play the Game Gear games on the Genesis/Mega Drive. There was the Master Gear (a 3rd party product) that let you play Master System games on the Game Gear, and the Power Base Converter that let you play the Master System games on the Genesis. But I don't know of the converter that you are talking about. Any links?
You got it backwards (Score:3, Informative)
No, they had an adapter to let you play Master System games on the Game Gear. AFAIK, there is no Super Game Boy equivalent for the Genesis.
On the other hand, Nintendo released a "Super Game Boy 2" in Japan for the Super Famicom. Just like the original only with a game link port. It was released a little after Pokemon (go figure).
An alternative to a SNES (Score:5, Insightful)
Here'd be another neat trick, getting the SNES cartridges to work with the GBA with a smart dongle. Then you'd have the full monte.
Re:An alternative to a SNES (Score:4, Informative)
I forget the exact model number, but the SNES processor is a 16 bit version of the 6502 (the chip in the NES). The GBA uses an ARM processor (and also has a Z80 in there to run the old GB/GBC games).
Re:An alternative to a SNES (Score:2)
The SNES uses a 65c816, same as an Apple //gs, even clocked the same, IIRC (3.58 MHz).
Regarding the 65c816, there's an interesting anecdote involving the SNES, the Apple //gs, Mac OS, fabricated accounts of Zip disk intrigue within Nintendo, and legal action against emu coders, but that's a story I've told too many times already. :)
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Re:An alternative to a SNES (Score:2)
Re:An alternative to a SNES (Score:2)
I have to question this statement. Given that the GBA VDP has features roughly comparable to the SNES ("mode 7" on the GBA has to be simulated, though), and the GBA has a CPU roughly 4 times faster (3.8 mhz vs 16), it seems to me that the GBA is clearly the winner, in terms of raw performance. At least, IMHO.
Game Cube Web server then? (Score:2, Funny)
Required Beowulf Cluster line: Imagine a beowulf cluster of those...
Some quick thoughts... (Score:3, Insightful)
You know, the GBA has four controller ports on it, coincidentally the same number the GBA link cable supports...and a TV has enough screen real-estate for four GBA screens. You'd probably have to scale down the resolution a bit, so somegames could start to look rather nasty...but I bet it could be a decent feature for a lot of games.
The product will also come with a disc, presumably used to boot up the GameCube and prepare it for use with the peripheral.
LAAAAAAME. Extra hassle is never good, and in this case a user has to put in a disc (which can get lost or broken) and a game pak. Extra steps are never fun.
The unit will not have full compatibility with the entire back catalog of Nintendo portable software, but no specific incompatibility problems have been announced at this time.
Double LAME. I would expect the inner-workings of the GB series to be understood well enough to emulate perfectly.
It is not emulating.... (Score:2)
Re:Some quick thoughts... (Score:5, Interesting)
Not sure on the original Gameboy, but I'd guess 160x160. So yeah, you could fit 4 GBA screens on TV.
Nintendo hasn't released enough details to know for sure, but odds are that there's a full Gameboy Advance motherboard in the device. Super Gameboy was basically just a Gameboy motherboard in an SNES cartridge.
As to games that won't work... Any game that has a tilt sensor in the cartridge won't work. Well, maybe it will, but, i don't think you'd want to subject your GameCube to that torture. It's probably just games like that that have odd cartridges or require additional addons that attach to the Gameboy, and hence wouldn't physically be able to attach to the device.
Region coding? (Score:5, Insightful)
Since GBA games aren't region-coded and Gamecubes are region-specific, I wonder if this item would limit the region you could play your GBA games in?
Re:Region coding? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Region coding? (Score:3, Interesting)
You need to put a GameCube disc into the GameCube to play the games, so it appears that the Japanese Gameboy Player will only work with the Japanese GameCube and the US or European Gameboy Players will only work with US or European Gamecubes (respectively), but once you have a GameCube and Gameboy Player of the same region together, you can play a GBA game from any region.
Why didn't they just make both the GBA AND the GameCube region free?
Why Don't You Try... (Score:2)
Say goodbye to your TV de Advance (Score:2, Funny)
This device is a great idea. I'd even say that GBA compatibility adds even more value to the GCN than PSX compatibility adds to the PS2, because GBA software development is currently more active than PSX dev, and is therefore far more lucrative for publishers targeting new system buyers.
It leverages the strength of the GBA library to increase the value of the GameCube. As well as the GCN is doing worldwide, the GBA is doing even better. People who want to play GBA games on the go will still buy GBAs, but for those that just want access to the games without the portability factor, the GameCube becomes attractive as a means of access to both platforms. 2-D lives! :)
For those of us who had been using the TV de Advance system, this should prove even better. It's a good thing that I'd hesitated in ordering one of these GBA TV adapters (or the various knock-off versions), since the official Nintendo device will be cheaper, will be officially supported if it breaks, will not require any modifications to my GBA that involve replacing the rear case panel of my GBA with a piece of cheap-looking plastic, and will most likely provide a better image quality. Having seen a TV de Advance in action at a local import retailer, I've been largely unimpressed with the picture, even using s-video.
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Lucrative? (Score:2)
Afterburner is more use... (Score:2, Informative)
Should get an Afterburner internal screen light - makes the GBA screen look the way god intended....
Emulation or... (Score:3, Interesting)
It's probably like the SGB (Score:2)
The thing I'm interested in is if Nintendo have gone the emulation or addition route.
Probably hardware based, if they designed it like Super Game Boy. The SGB had a complete original Game Boy system with the LCD controller modified to stream the screen to the Super NES, plus some glue hardware and a Super NES ROM for controlling the special features.
They can't just emulate the ARM and the gbz80 because of one little problem: many games depend on custom hardware inside the cartridge.
GBA a bit underpowered....but still holding on (Score:5, Interesting)
Kinda off and kinda on topic (Score:3, Interesting)
5000
And then let the browser do the job. Either let it be, translate it to my choice, or give me both the original and in my choice in paranthesis.
Would be pretty simple, really, as long as you can grab a conversion table from somewhere.
Someone hasn't played them... (Score:3, Interesting)
If you bothered to pick up Castlevania: Harmony of Dissonance, you'd see that Konami has put some things in the game to combat the lack of backlighting. Large characters/monsters, some bright colors, lighting effects, spell effects that center on the character, and even Juste's "blue-shadow" all contribute a lot to making the game very playable when other games on the sustem aren't.
You still need decent light, but it's not a total eye-strainer. You can even play Harmony of Dissonance well in moderate indoor lighting, which is a feat on the GBA.
Still, I'd like to see it on a TV. That'd hopefully fix some issues with the crappy sound (which few people seem to bitch about, but which sucks).
get excited, this is great (Score:2, Insightful)
That's kind of confusing (Score:3, Insightful)
If so, then why didn't they build that functionality into the system to begin with? The gameboy already has a connection to the system, how hard would it have to have the gamecube access the gamboy game and pipe it through the GC and out to the tv?
Maybe it has something to do with it going over a controller port. In any case it would have been a neat feature to add if they thought about this ahead of time and could get it to work right.
Otherwise this is nothing new. The SNES had a cart/adapter which allowed you to play old gameboy games on your SNES.
Personally i never saw the point, except it's easier on the eyes which doesn't seem to justify the cost of buying one. I couldn't see people buying this adapter and buy gameboy games without a gameboy either. But hey, options options options!
Re:That's kind of confusing (Score:2)
Also, it's a lot eaiser to just put the GBA hardware sans LCD in a box and plug it into the GC than writing an emulator that is sure to play 100% of all GB, GBC, and GBA games perfectly.
Metroid Prime (Score:2)
(Obligatory) Penny Arcade Link (Score:2)
$41.10 in american cash (Score:2)
Feel free to use this. [x-rates.com]
NOT a serial port add-on! (Score:2)
NB: Emphasis on serial port was added by me
If you look at the unit, you can see that it most likely plugs into the high speed port and NOT the serial port. Which would also mean it would allow you to keep that broadbad adaptor in there. Smart and beautiful design if you ask me.
Re:blah (Score:2)
Re:blah (Score:4, Insightful)
Just my $0.02
Are you kidding? (Score:5, Insightful)
Correction: (Score:2)
All Zelda games I would rate a distant third, behind all Final Fantasy games. (Except Zelda 2, which is on my list of "What the heck where they thinking?" games, right next to Super Mario 2).
Re:Are you kidding? (Score:2)
Consider yourself owned bucko.
Re:Are you kidding? (Score:2, Informative)
Time to update your figures, bucko. Xbox has outsold the GameCube by 570,000 units in the US, and by 70,000 just in the last month. The Xbox's Japanese sales might be very shitty, but it has at least outsold the PS One there this year (267,800 to 201,900).
From NPD's October US numbers at http://mail.chartermi.net/~spartan85/NPD_UBS.pdf [chartermi.net]:
You were saying?
Re:Are you kidding? (Score:2)
Fanboy gibberish? His post was informative.
On the other hand, your waste of space excuse for a post was the true mark of fanboy. If you can't bother participating with facts or well informed opinion then just bugger off.
Re:blah (Score:2)
Are there *any* portable gaming units on the horizon?
Re:blah (Score:2)
but i don't see point in bringing them over yet. the original gb sold for, what, 10 years?
gba's got lot of juice and gamebase to suck from(snes) to go for couple of years imho.
Re:blah (Score:5, Interesting)
Why? Because they release an GBA adaptor to play good 2D games on your TV? Because they still make great games that are fun for both youngsters and adults?
What should Nintendo be doing? Should Miyamoto ditch his emphasis on gameplay and enjoyability and instead fill his games with T&A or tons of blood? I don't think so.
It is quite obvious that Miyamoto could make a better game with an abacus than Microsoft can with an X-Box.
The new Zelda looks 100% sweet. It is definately done in the tradition of the original NES Zelda:
A fun game set in a fantasy world that will captivate both children and adults. I don't see anything wrong with that approach at all. The cell shaded animation looks great, IMHO.
The Game Cube may not be doing the best in sales, but it and the GameBoy Advance has the most enjoyable games out there.
As for me and Link, we will be doing some serious princess rescuing this upcoming spring.
Re:blah (Score:2)
Plus this is Slashdot, aren't we supposed to be anti-MS? And anti-Sony?
Re:Zelda (Score:4, Insightful)
This is pretty ridiculous. Zelda has always been a "kids of all ages" series. Personally, I like the new look (which actually is more in the spirit of the original series than the rather generic look of the N64 Zelda games).
I think Nintendo's business model is stronger than ever. There are always going to be kids, and Nintendo is the only company that seems to have found the formula for producing games that appeal to kids as well as to many adults. The only difference is that they have broadened their focus to accept a few of the best teen game, like Resident Evil.
Re:woohoo (Score:2, Funny)
It's the godsend for oldschool 2D games on the TV. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Linux on Gamecube? (Score:2)
Why would you want to? You see, unlike Xbox, the GameCube is a console that has actual, you know, good games to play on it...
Ah, console flame wars. Just like the good ol' days on Prodigy and local BBSes.
Re:Linux on Gamecube? (Score:2)
Re:Linux on Gamecube? (Score:2)
BTW, the PS2 is 32MB of system RAM + 4MB video + 2MB audio. Remember that next time some weenie proclaims, "the Xbox has twice as much RAM as the PS2!"
Re:Linux on Gamecube? (Score:2)
Re:Linux on Gamecube? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:What the Hell is a GBA? (Score:2)
Re:What the Hell is a GBA? (Score:2)
I always thought that the fanboy backlash was silly, and that Nintendo should abbreviate the name of the Nintendo GameCube the most logical way, and simply refer to it as the NiGaCube.
Re:What the Hell is a GBA? (Score:2)
NOTE: This is intended to be only a joke, I mean no offence whatsoever. In fact, I am black myself.
But seriously, what's wrong with just calling it a GameCube? Everyone knows it is made by Nintendo. How often do you see somebody say/write "MS Xbox" or "Sony PS2"? Almost never -- there's no need to.
Cheaper than TV out (Score:2)
Why not try an emulator instead
Because this $40 GBA adapter seems cheaper than $200 PC video card with TV out or a $500 21-inch VGA monitor.
Loading... (Score:5, Interesting)
Why the heck couldn't they stick a freakin' CD/DVD in the N64?
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For one thing, N64 came out in 1996 and DVD Video came out in 1997 or so.
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For another, loading on the PlayStation takes up to 15 seconds or more, and Miyamoto claimed that such delays would kill the flow of a game. Note that "Super Smash Bros. Melee" for GCN never loads for longer than 4 seconds.
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Third, Nintendo didn't yet see how a CD-ROM could improve game play, given how bad the FMV games for Sega CD and 3DO were.