Games Controlled By An Exercise Bike 323
Fidigit writes "I know that most people reading this won't be _that_ interested in exercise, but given there's tech with it ... What do you think about computer games controlled by an exercise bike in your house?
It sounds crazy, but it might just work." Update: 01/14 00:14 GMT by T : An anonymous reader points to another example of the same concept.
equilibrium (Score:2, Funny)
Re:equilibrium (Score:2)
Just wait until they come out with an interactive chin-up bar!
Slashdot really needs to cath up... (Score:4, Funny)
Wow, exercise bicycles with video games attached to them? I can't wait until Slashdot covers Rob the Video Robot!
Re:Slashdot really needs to cath up... (Score:3, Funny)
How many Slashdotters do you think have seen the inside of a gym in the past decade or so?
Re:Slashdot really needs to cath up... (Score:2)
I see them all the time. Search for 'uniform schoolgirls'. Heh.
Re:equilibrium (Score:2, Funny)
Been there, done that... (Score:2)
Know what would work? The 'Dance Revolution' game. (I apologize, the name escapes me...) That's already out and in stores. I think I could stand to exercise that way. Riding a bike, unless I'm actually going somewhere, is not fun.
It's called DDR... (Score:3, Informative)
Read more about it here [ddrfreak.com].
-Bryan
Re:Been there, done that... (Score:4, Interesting)
Or Downhill Bikers [klov.com]? I could see a row of these at the gym.
Re:Been there, done that... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Been there, done that... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Been there, done that... (Score:4, Insightful)
Um, it's a little more than just 'barely lifting your feet'. People who get into that game rarely stop without breaking a sweat. It'd certainly do me more good than the exercise bicycle that's covered in a protective layer of dust.
Re:Been there, done that... (Score:2, Informative)
As far as the bicycle gaming goes, I believe I saw a special VCR arrangement that would play at a video at a speed proportional to the speed you were pedalling at. This was about 10 years ago. I can't remember where I saw it, but basically, they would play a recording of a camera duct-taped to a bicycle.
Also, there's an arcade game called Prop Cycle where you are flying around on a winged, propeller-powered bicycle. You not only need to pedal a bicycle to control your speed, but you have to steer, pull up and down, and lean side to side (not sure about that last one, but it happens anyway!).
I'd take Prop Cycle over an exercycle any day!
DDR Freaks :-) (Score:3, Interesting)
Um, it's a little more than just 'barely lifting your feet'. People who get into that game rarely stop without breaking a sweat. It'd certainly do me more good than the exercise bicycle that's covered in a protective layer of dust.
DDR is now one of my three forms of exersize. (The other two: A membership to the gym which I use for weightlifting, but can't stand things like the bikes. The other is my wife. *Nudge Nudge, Wink Wink*) It's pretty easy to become a Code Potato, setting there in front of the computer not getting any exersize. Working for a computer related company during the day, and owning a game company at night does bad things for your physique ;-)
Anyway - it's a hell of a lot of exersize, even when you learn how to dance 'optimally'. When you start out, you're jumpin' all over the place, trying to get the beat, etc. Once you've got it, you tone it down a lot, but, you start moving faster and faster, picking more complicated songs to work with. I own my own home setup (modified some Playstation pads for use on the PC, and grabbed StepMania to use with it) rather than dump tons o' quarters into an arcade machine or buy a PS. Plus, and overweight 31 year old white guy tryin' to DDR is NOT a pretty sight. Luckly, it improves the more time you spend on the pads. (IE - less overweight, a little more coordinated. However, I'm still a 31 year old white guy lookin' like a dork ;-)
For anyone who's wondered if it works for weightloss, keeping you in shape, etc... I have no real clue. I assume it does. I work up a hell of a sweat, and have a lot of fun doing it. But I've also got a membership to a gym four blocks from here, so, it's hard to tell what makes the most difference.
But I will say this in general for the idea o' workin' out and how it affects your coding skills - I always feel sharper and can work a lot farther into the night after I've been going to the gym consistently. :-)
Paperboy! (Score:5, Funny)
Not news (Score:5, Informative)
This has been done several times before. For instance, there is this SNES/Sega/PC/whatever else you want bike [hypermax.com] which is basically a fancy looking controller and then there's this SNES specific bike, the Life Cycle [fitego.com] which I recall being issues in some back issue of Nintendo Power. I think there was even a Pacman-esque game that was supposed to go with it.
Re:Not news (Score:5, Interesting)
If someone made a quality piece of equipment that could enhance excercising indoors on a trainer, then that would definately be something - for the off-season.
Re:Not news (Score:2)
Re:Not news (Score:3, Informative)
I personnaly use a fluid trainer and spinervals videos [spinervals.com].
Re:Not news (Score:4, Informative)
It didn't sell very well, but mostly because it wasn't marketed properly. You still see the systems in a some fitness clubs (if you do, enter your name as "ronaye" to see an easter egg picture of my girlfriend at the time.)
The new system in the article is multiplayer, which should make it a little more fun. It didn't seem to have any feedback to make the pedalling harder, however. That is essential to making the exercise interactive.
I think systems like this will take off, once they're done right. I mean, plain exercise bikes are already a substitute for real biking, and those are accepted now. "Virtual" exercising systems are just trying to be a step closer to reality.
yo.
Re:Not news (Score:3, Informative)
Anyhow, once you have such a device you could do all sorts of things. Making the pedalling harder would be very simple. My initial plan was to hook it up to the open source version of TuxRacer and have it get harder when you go uphill. A simple version of a MarioKart type game could also be fun on multi-player. The interesting think is that if you had a control device it would be very easy to retrofi any existing LifeCycle to work with such a system.
Imagine a gym in which you can "race" against the person next to you or against a person across the country.
Nothing new... (Score:5, Informative)
Nintendo mats? (Score:5, Interesting)
I think this Reebok bike will become a clothes hanger just like any other exercise bike... unless they figure out how to require it for GTA Vice City play.
Re:Nintendo mats? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Nintendo mats? (Score:2)
Ever let your friend's little brothers play, then yank it out from under them? Heh.
Re:Nintendo mats? (Score:2)
Re:Nintendo mats? (Score:2)
I had an accomplice once. I was racing with my friend's little brother. Unfortunately, the house was a bit rickety so occasionally the thumping we caused would knock something over, thus earning the wrath of mom. So while I was racing, my 'accomplice' intentionally knocked over something in the living room. My opponent stopped with an "Oh shit, I'm in trouble look" on his face while I raced to victory.
Heh. Only worked the first time, though.
Re:Nintendo mats? (Score:5, Funny)
Power Pad (Score:2)
Does anyone remember those mats that you could use on Nintendo with games like Track and Field?
Called the Power Pad.
I really ought to figure out how to work with NES hardware and the Power Pad so I can port DDR to the NES.
exercise and video games (Score:2, Funny)
At You Local Gym (Score:2, Interesting)
Even cooler: an excersice bike with an internet terminal. There's nothing like burning calories while reading /.
Re:At You Local Gym (Score:2, Funny)
Been done before, and it wasn't popular. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Been done before, and it wasn't popular. (Score:2, Interesting)
DDR maybe? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:DDR maybe? (Score:2)
The only problem is that:
1) I strained my back by playing to intensively,
2) It has easily taken $40 away from me, and
3) The only PPP machine close to me is in Ann Arbor MI, and is about 1 hr away from where I live.
PPP is much better than ddr, because you use your arms, and not your feet. (I have no sense of balance, and would fall and lose while playing DDR)
Bicycling your way through Quake (Score:3, Interesting)
Definitly the best use of an exercise bike I've ever heard of, but I still prefer the kind that you can use as transportation.
I wrote one! (Score:3, Funny)
This has been around for a while.. (Score:4, Informative)
You can take a tour at the website to see if one is right for you...
Re:This has been around for a while.. (Score:2, Interesting)
CSA/ESSCO made an interface device with 5 PC games quite some time ago. It was a simple photoeye/reflector beam device with two button pads to strap to handlebars. It could be used with any equipment by aiming the light beam at any moving part, as the rate of pulses was all that was was needed for controlling the speed.
Oh, I see there is one on eBay [ebay.com] now.
Wow. OLD gym technology brought to your home... (Score:2)
Granted, I only tried one (some scenic thing biking around and racing others) but there were a couple others that I am sure were more "interactive".
This was a year or so after the birth of my daughter, which would make this FIVE YEARS AGO.
Is the poster of this story trying to stereotype the typical
Ring your bel... (Score:2)
It's been done - LONG AGO! (Score:2)
Check out this article [hypermax.com] for an example from 1995. For those of you who don't get out much, that's like 8 years ago.
I still think the idea is great, and that anything that can potentially better motivate fat americans to get their lazy butts in motion is a positive thing. It's just up to the marketing department to really get these things distributed to the masses.
-Bryan
Current Nintendo research in this area (Score:5, Interesting)
Anyhow, Nintendo is taking the integration of physical activity with video games to a whole new level... we're researching motion tracking in 3-D using purely computer vision techniques, and using no sensors worn on the body, like traditional mocap techniques require.
We've got some interesting preliminary prototypes of this technology, such as Swing Swing Revolution, like DDR, except you have to do swing moves, not merely hit the arrows with your feet, and Kung Fu Master, a remake of the venerable NES game, where you guessed it, need to do real punching and kicking.
We look forward to commercializing this and making Nintendo the first and foremost choice of overweight geeks everywhere!
Why use computer vision? (Score:2)
we're researching motion tracking in 3-D using purely computer vision techniques, and using no sensors worn on the body, like traditional mocap techniques require.
I am curious why you are spending time trying to develop motion tracking without using motion-capture sensors. I would guess that trying to develop a computer vision algorithm that can determine what the hell a fast-moving gamer is doing in real time and then converting that into inputs would be a mighty challenging problem. Is there some drawback to using traditional motion-capture approaches? I would think your research dollars would be more wisely spent by leverging off existing technology. Is the computer vision approach going to get confused if the gamer plays in a "noisy" environment like complex wallpaper and lots of furnature? Would the gamer be allowed to wear all black or would that also confuse the computer vision? I would think that requiring gamers to wear a few sensors wouldn't be that big of a problem. Or are the games going to be frantic that there's a danger of the sensors actually falling (or flying) off the gamer when s/he performs a fast move?
Just curious. Sounds interesting but it also sounds like it might take many years before it comes to market.
GMD
Bring back the Power Pad! (Score:2)
I'm sure you all know what Dance Dance Revolution is
Yeah. It's that knockoff of Nintendo's own Dance Aerobics for the NES.
All Nintendo needs to do to compete with Konami's DDR for Sony's hardware is re-introduce the Power Pad [everything2.com], adapt it to the GCN's joybus, rotate it 90 degrees anticlockwise, and publish "Mario Dance Party".
Re:Current Nintendo research in this area (Score:2, Interesting)
Recumbent bikes for your computer desk? (Score:2)
Are the game bikes recumbent? It doesn't seem like it. I think it would be easier to integrate them into the rest of your gaming environment if they were.
--naked [slashdot.org]
Better: Workstation with integrated recumbant bike (Score:2)
Re:Better: Workstation with integrated recumbant b (Score:2)
How'd you know I sha--oh...nevermind.
Better idea (Score:4, Funny)
Diabelch III, brought to you by Donutech. "Mmmm... Sprinkles..."
Prop Cycle (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Prop Cycle (Score:3, Informative)
When will people learn...... (Score:3, Insightful)
What is this, like, the tenth company thats tried to create a market for these things? People don't want em in numbers large enough to make neough money off of it.Yu'd think someon would have figured the whole lack of interest thing by now. Go away, and take your stolen idea with ya.
Somebody buy the guy a dictionary... (Score:2, Informative)
Anyways for a more sophisticated 'game' check out the computrainer, pricey but a lot of pros swear by it.
from m-w.com (snipped)
One entry found for peddle.
Main Entry: peddle
Pronunciation: 'pe-d&l
1 : to sell or offer for sale from place to place : HAWK; broadly : SELL
2 : to deal out or seek to disseminate
Main Entry: pedal
Pronunciation: 'pe-d&l
Function: noun
1 : a lever pressed by the foot in the playing of a musical instrument (as an organ or piano)
2 : a foot lever or treadle by which a part is activated in a mechanism
Function: verb
intransitive senses
1 : to ride a bicycle
2 : to use or work a pedal
transitive senses : to work the pedals of
I used to use a Bike WHile Gaming (Score:2)
Initially I found that I'd associate activity on the screen with my bike - I noticed that when I would get into a tight spot in a game I found myself pedalling a lot faster, as if it would help.
Anyway.... it eventually broke from overuse, most exercise gear isn't designed to do much more than sit in a closet after a month.
maybe a chance (Score:2, Funny)
Old idea (Score:2)
Not all it's hyped up to be... (Score:2, Funny)
Well, the company who was developing the software/technology to do this was pretty much clueless. They developed a custom 3D engine that looked worst than the original Doom (no 3d hardware, just software) with some ugly, ugly courses. Crashes were common and nobody ever used the bikes in our gym (we had a full gym for employees to use)
The hardware had problems too. You had to hook up magnets to your wheels and run wires from the bike to the computer to let it know how fast you were peddling... but the problem was that a lot of bikes weren't easily adaptable and you would have to pretty much hack the hardware to get it on the bike... and then the rotation speed would be off during races, etc. A memorable instance was a demonstration on Good Day LA between the 3 hosts - the 2 chicks and the old guy... well, they were racing and one of the hosts was going like 10x faster than everybody else... lapping the other hosts because of the hardware related problem. All on live TV - It was funny
Funny thing is that my boss had told me about this new tech they had been shown... using bikes for movement and plugging it into a PSX! He said they had been playing RoadRash. Over 18 months later it looks like they might have actually come out with the product.
Years ago (Score:2)
Namco's "Prop Cycle" (Score:3, Informative)
One example of an arcade game employing a stationary bike was Prop Cycle [namcoarcade.com] from Namco. You flew a pedal-powered flying bicycle around, running into balloons and flying through hazards to score points.
I thought it was whimsical and a lot of fun, but it never showed up at many arcades.
Schwab
Re:Namco's "Prop Cycle" (Score:2)
Re:Namco's "Prop Cycle" (Score:2)
I saw this compounded on the ferry to Vancouver island in stormy weather. Imagine trying to play this on a rocking, rolling boat.
Hello RRRRRrrrrrrrraaaaallphhhhhhhh....
Exercise Video Game (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Exercise Video Game (Score:2)
Advanced Calorie Counter (Score:2, Insightful)
Why not just buy a bicycle and ride it around? (Score:2)
I'll Tell You Why (Score:2)
Sounds geat, to a point... (Score:5, Interesting)
Applied to a, MMORPG this sort of idea could eventually lead to a skill advancement system based upon physical reaction time and endurance rather than mathematical formulas derived from levels and attributes. It could also enhance the gaming experience immensely!
Furthermore, if you included exercise benefits, people could ALWAYS find the time to play their favorite game.
More conservatively, using the human physiological responses to a gaming environment (excitement, endorphins, sustained concentration) could allow for intense exercise and fuel the desire to continue to exercise once the novelty has worn off.
In other words, I think it is a *good thing*.
Re:Sounds geat, to a point... (Score:2)
Re:Sounds geat, to a point... (Score:2)
Re:Sounds geat, to a point... (Score:2)
Arcade.. (Score:3, Informative)
There is a downhill bike game now, which is way fun. You get done, you're hurting.
Anyone ever see that two-person rafting game?
The horse-racing game?
The new motion-cap (I guess this is what you'd call them) games are WILD too -- there's this one that you stand in this one place and hold a gun - and to duck around corners to fire, well, you duck around a corner. If you need to drop to the floor to avoid gunfire, you drop to the floor. I didn't think it would be that much of exercise, but wow.
At home - I've fallen in love with DDRMax on the PS2. I have two of the hard dance platforms now -- it's the most exercise (aerobic) I've gotten in a long time. When my friends come over - it's turned on automatically - huge party hit. Mix beer with it, it gets really fun.
Ok - ramble stops now. I just love video games.
why not just go ride the bike (Score:2)
Competition at the Gym (Score:4, Insightful)
Anybody know of anything similar setup around where they live?
Games & excercise (Score:2)
Still, I'd trade it for a Concept 2 [concept2.com] any day.
saw a really old one at a hotel in Arizona (Score:3, Interesting)
Seen It Years Ago (Score:2)
This has been around for a long time (Score:2)
Fit geeks (Score:2)
Being boring and dumb won't be synonym to being fit anymore.
Jesus... (Score:2)
First, we invent the video game system, so you can get the thrill of sports without moving. Then, we pair it with an exercise machine... and you have a very expensive, not as good version of a bicycle... whatever.
A Better Idea (Score:2)
Real old news (almost ten years old...) (Score:2, Interesting)
http://www.atarihq.com/othersec/puffer/puff521.
that was fora 5200 videogame, but Atari intended to make models from the VCS to the 400 and 800 computers.
More info at http://www.atarihq.com/othersec/puffer/
I'll wait... (Score:2)
Already did that (Score:3, Insightful)
While it doesn't "control" a video game, it allows me to be right in front of my PS2 while pedaling. Hence, I can now play all those 100-hour RPGs and countless hours of Vice City while biking. The latter is especially fun, as you tend to pedal faster when there's a lot of tension going on in the game -- it gets the adrenaline pumping. I guess this is how I got to level 132 in Vigilante mode (the car flipped over and there was not another to be found... damnit!), and managed to pedal over 50 miles while doing it. Fun.
Wow, pre-nintendo bike powered cam (Score:2)
The Maryland Science Center had (may still even have) a bike that powered a generator which lit a few lightbulbs. There was a really simple closed circuit cam too. As you pedalled harder and faster, you lit the lights and the camera was able to discern more and more of your face.
The idea was to teach you about power and electricity. Pretty cool when you're only 5-10 years old.
I've seen these before. (Score:3, Interesting)
I don't remember the brand of the cycles, but they were pretty cool.
I'd hate to smell (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Isn't this old news? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:this is stupid (Score:2)
You won't get modded down for having an honest yet harsh opinion. What will get you modded down is a lack of reasoning as to why you think it's stupid.
I agree with you, it is stupid. But at least say what about it bugs ya the most.
*preach preach preach*
Re:this is stupid (Score:2)
Re:this is stupid (Score:2)
Sorry, don't see why it's funny. I was responding to his post.
Since you're going to troll, though, I suggest you look here at this post I made. You'll notice it's on of the early comments:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=50556&cid=5
I guess I could have been redundant and covered that in this post too just to save you from finding it funny. If my comment displayed sort of fault, I might.
Re:this is stupid (Score:2)
Oh well. Cheers!
Re:And this is new? (Score:5, Funny)
"tour" of famous cities + Disney parks, the speed of which varied by the speed I was pedaling."
Yep.
It was about as exciting as the movie Rollerball.
I bet these things would have been a hit if they played porn instead. "If I pedal backwards, she becomes a virgin!"
Re:And this is new? (Score:2)
I was thinking of porn as soon as I saw the story. Sort of like Jackass where you have a porn doll pretending to give you head as you peddle.
Some porn, one of those plastic vaginas, and 1 million geeks will lose weight.
Re:And this is new? (Score:2)
Damn I wanna be a beta tester.
Re:And this is new? (Score:5, Funny)
Bug Report 1821: Evidently problem with voltage regulator. Went into high gear, and received 3rd degree burns.
Bug Report 1822: Need to improve quality control at molding department. Metal support wire occasionally pokes through soft rubber parts.
Bug Report 1823: When movie-controller BSODs, evidently the pressure system gets locked on "Maximum".
Re:And this is new? (Score:2)
Bug Report 1824: Somebody hacked in and is now sending pictures of AnonV Jr. around the net with a mustache painted on it.
Re:Nothing beats a REAL Bike! (Score:2)
I live in LA. I've been hit by cars twice: once on a bicycle, the other time on a Honda scooter. Both times, it was someone who didn't see me, and was coming too fast for me to take evasive action. Both times I was following traffic laws, had right-of-way, was wearing red and reflectors, and was driving defensively (i.e., not trusting the cars to see me).
After the second time, when I was sitting in Emergency, waiting for them to clean up the road rash and put in some stitches, the medics were all busy with a guy on the next cot. He'd been hit on his motorcycle. The whole time I was waiting (probably only an hour, but seemed like several), I heard them give up on saving the guy's leg, and then his other leg, and then an arm
You don't know how chilling it is to be bruised and bloody, and listen to EMTs walk in to the neighboring area, and say things like "Good God, what happened to him?" and "Think there's anything salvageable here?"
I'll never ride a 2-wheel vehicle on an LA street again.
Re:Will somebody get this right? (Score:3, Interesting)
I don't understand why there hasn't been a sequel. That was one of the most ingenious arcade games ever made. I'd love to have a home version of it.