



GTA To Appear On Xbox and Gamecube In 2004 94
AvantLegion writes "According to this IGN article (which, in turn, is cited from Yahoo! via the Investor's Business Daily), the Grand Theft Auto series will debut on Xbox and GameCube in 2004. A month after the next GTA game is released on PS2 (thus completing Rockstar's exclusive contract with Sony), the Xbox and Gamecube versions of Grand Theft Auto III and Grand Theft Auto: Vice City are supposed to hit the streets. No one is safe."
Progress? (Score:2, Interesting)
Taking a Golfer's club and beating him to death with it? Using a prostitute for health?
It's sad that gaming has descended into the most degrading human activities possible. Kids play these games by the boatload. Sad.
When I was growing up, I was playing Donkey Kong and maneuvering around some barrels. Now kids are getting their knob shined from some $5 slut.
This is progress?
Will GTA4 include realistically rendered STDs?????
Re:Progress? (Score:2, Interesting)
As for the violence, that's the norm in games, movies, tv, books, music.... our culture.
Re:Progress? (Score:5, Insightful)
Another thing that's amusing this is that if you don't know what prostitution is, this game won't teach you.
Here's what happens:
- Pull up to a prostitute (who, btw, only looks like a prostitute because we're aware of what they are and how they stereotypically dress. To a child, she's just woman dressing up slightly fancier than other women.)
- She gets in the car.
- When you get into a secluded area, the car will shake. However, there's no movement inside the car. Turn the camera around, switch to 'cockpit view', do anything you can to peek inside and you see two people sitting in the car on their own side.
I find the media's attention to the prostitute aspect of that game ridiculous. It's okay to show 'Girls Gone Wild' commercials on TV, but we need to pick on GTA3 because we can sensationalize it and scare those parents out there who have no idea what the game is really like.
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The GTA series of games (3 and up, anyway) is for adults. They have an M rating. They are not for children. When my nephews visit me, they are not permitted to play my GTA games. We rent a Spyro the Dragon game or something like that if they want to play a video game.
If more kids are playing adult-oriented games today than they did in the past, that represents a deterioration of our society's parenting skills. It is not a deterioration of the gaming industry.
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I was playing Leisure Suit Larry too. Adult content aside, that game really improved my typing skills!
Exactly! (Score:3, Insightful)
Exactly! This is what people need to realize. It isn't the responsibility of the game devs, govnernment, or any group to censor games, movies, songs, etc. It is the responsibility of the parents/legal guardians to ensure that the children in their care aren't watching/doing/liste
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Yeah, I remember the part when Larry beat the shit out of the cop and stole his gun... use the gun to shoot the brains out of the creep who stole your drugs, and then run over the prostitute after receiving her services.
Oh wait, that wasn't in Leisure Suit Larry...
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And that movie came out, what, in the mid-seventies?
The thing is - it wasn't intended for kids. And neither is GTA3.
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The pimply faced gamer is something of a myth. They can't afford games and the computers to play them for the most part.
When you looked at the game, it was probably obvious to you that it wasn't meant for girls to play. So then, why is it not just as obvious that it's not something for a child to play? Seems like if you noticed one thing, you would have noticed the other, right?
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2) I saw a study on one of the major gaming sites, and kids *are* playing this game by the ton. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
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Parents have the right to watch their own little monsters. They do not have the right to tell others that certain games are evil just because they can't control their kids.
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now think about this, if your a Parent and your kid comes home, just having bought "Debbie Does Dallas", are you gonna stand for it?
now, what if your Kid comes home with GTA3 or GTA Vice City? games that are clearly labeled as Mature. it is the Parents job to know what their children are watchin
Re:Progress? (Score:5, Interesting)
What exactly is the harm in that? I've played GTA3 from beginning to end. I think it's fine for ages 13 and up. Despite what the media's made it out to be, it's really not that bad.
One of the chief complaints about the game is prostitution. They fail to mention, though, that if you don't know what a prostitute is when you play the game, you won't suddenly find out. The peak of it's graphic depiction is a rocking car. Look in the window and you see two people sitting there staring into space.
Another complaint is about being able to kill innocent people, and then making money for it. Fair point, almost. You can kill people if you like, but that's really your choice. It's not the goal of the game. (besides, wouldn'it be MORE twisted if the game didn't respond to people getting run over or hit with a bat at all? What kind of message would that send to children?) It doesn't help you in any way. If anything, this aspect of the game game teaches you a sense of right and wrong. If you beat somebody up, the cops will come get you. If you resist the cops, more of them will come. Before you know it, the entire city is against you. There's something to be said for reality here. If I kill somebody, my freedom is over. The 'money' you recieve from killing somebody is probably more a reward for taking the risk, rather than a reward for killing somebody. You have to kill a LOT of people before you can actually do anything with the money. It's kinda like getting paid 50 cents to piss off the cops. There's no benefit to murder, it only makes the game harder.
One of the other complaints about GTA3 is giving kids the urge to steal a car and try to outrun the cops in it. There might sort of be a point here. GTA3 lets you steal a car and then you can take a run at outrunning the cops, all while pulling off stunts etc. The level of physics of this game makes it seem easier than it'd really be, i.e. if you jump over a hill with your car and land on the roof, it doesn't collapse the car and kill you. Instead, if it rolls onto it's tires it can keep going. Yeah, on the surface, I can see that bothering people. However, when you play the game, you find out just how scary a police chase can be. You see, as mentioned before, this is a simulation of a city. There's all kinds of random elements that you just cannot always account for. No matter how good you are at this game, getting away from the cops is a flip of the coin that usually doesn't land in your favor. You ever see those police chases videos that Fox used to run? This game is very much like that. All it takes is for somebody to pull out in front of you to wipe you out. If this game teaches you anything, it's not that it's fun to outrun cops. It's that if you value your life at all, you're much better off being a good citizen. You'll live longer.
My biggest complaint about the media's attention on this game is that it's plain as day that they haven't actually spent any time playing the game. The news would have a much more detremental affect on your child than GTA3 would. They don't really understand what it's about, instead they take screengrabs and sensationalize it. As a result, people who have no interest in the game see these screengrabs and develop strange ideas about what it's about. You know that old saying "The camera never lies?" It's completely untrue. Cameras always lie. The entire point of a camera (or in this case, a screenshot) is to tell a story. Take a screngrab of the character from GTA3 clubbing a little old lady to death, and the story that gets told is that the game is about a guy running around killing innocent people.
I would advise anybody to not get their parenting tips from places like CNN or Donahue, especially when it comes to video games. Instead, seek the opinion of somebody who's actually played the game and can tell you what it's really about.
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If the media'd leave it at that, then I wouldn't be ranting now.
For the record, this topic is exactly the reason I won't vote to put Joe Liberman in office. He pulled this shit with Mortal Kombat and Night Trap back in the early nineties. I'm not convinced that his attacks on those games was anything more than an attempt to gain political power by raising an issue parents are ill-educated about. However, that's strictly my opinion.
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Yeah. Next time a pair of flashing lights appears behind me, I'm going to look for a token on the ground with a police badge on it. That'll get them off my back. Failing that, I'll pull into Maaco where they'll instantly paint my car and the cops won't recognize me. Heh.
"Plus the goal of many missions is to kill people
Re:Progress? (Score:2)
Bad from who's perspective. In the phone missions, you kill people because someone is willing to pay you to kill those people. Doesn't that make you bad also? In other missions, you steal tanks from the army, you intimidate jurors by threatening physical harm, and a lot of other things.
I think most people, even teens and younger can separate games from reality. But to assert that you do
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I didn't assert that. What I said was that it was blown out of proportion. The entire point that I was making was that this game was unlikely to turn people/kids towards becoming criminals. It'd likely have the opposite effect.
"The whole thrill of the game is that you are doing bad things and getting away with it. "
Not exactly. Nobody'd bother finishing th
Re:Progress? (Score:1)
There's no benefit to murder, it only makes the game harder.
I must disagree with your logic here. You're saying that everyone plays the game to go through the missions as easily as possible. I for one, have only played GTA3 to blow up as much shit and kill as many people as possible. That's why I think the game's fun. Yes, I'm a grown man, and know that is
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Now that I'm done splitting hairs..
"This is a console game. In other words, it is much more accessable to everyone"
Uhm.. Howso?.. I mean sure, there's the case of older brother or dad or mom or whoever leaving the game out or something, but hey.. Maybe the adults should pay some freaking attention to what's going on in their house.
Other than that.. Have you seen the
Re:Progress? (Score:1)
And if they are borrowing it from a friend, the parents should be keeping up with their kids enough to notice - I mean, a PS2 is a DVD player. If a kid is borrowing GTA3 from a friend, they could just as easily borrow a XXX movie from a friend. Parents need to keep up with what their kids
Re:Progress? (Score:5, Insightful)
This is insightful? Don't like it? Don't play it and don't let your kids play it. The rest of us will make up our own minds. The game didn't sell millions of copies cuz people hate it you know.
Go figure that
Now instead of replying, go ahead and mod me down.
Re:Collapse of the American empire (Score:1)
Has a fair amount of violence, but unlike GTA, violence is considered a bad thing, even if it's sometimes necessary.
In GTA, violence is about the only thing you can do.
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Actually, it is progress. (Score:1)
As the other posters have said, you're looking at the wrong line. Regardless of the platform, this game is rated M. It's not for children. Sometimes I feel as though I'm in the minority in believing that these ratings should be meaningful and enforced.
A child cannot go and watch some rated R film without a parent/guardian, the same child should not be able to
Re:Actually, it is progress. (Score:1)
Not that this has too much of an effect... Usually the kid goes and gets the parental unit who comes into the store, buys the game, and chews out the minimum-wage slave clerk for not doing his job by selling the kid the game.
Some cities/states want to make this a law, though I don't really see how it'll prevent 10-14 year olds from getting a hold of M-rated games... All they have to do is get someone to buy the game for
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Lets be honest, the morality in the GTA is deliberately skewed. The games are amoral. They are designed that way. The "punishments" for behaving "badly" are the richest rewards in terms of the game's escapist agenda (re: shooting down police helicopters and hijacking a tank - w00t!). However IMHO, the only r
mmm, pointless violence. (Score:2)
Gimme a RPG/strategy game with a real plot over this anyday.
Re:mmm, pointless violence. (Score:2)
About all I can tolerate nowadays are RPGs. Really looking forward to Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic and Deus Ex: Invisible War. Those will RULE!
Re:mmm, pointless violence. (Score:2, Interesting)
GTA3 is much more like an RPG than half of the RPGs that are out these days. The plot works, first of all. It may not be incredibly involved, but it's consistent and enjoyable.
The simulation aspect of the game is remarkable, and I'm eagerly awaiting Vice City on the PC to see any improvements. I've played the game most of the way through, and had a blast without the stereotypical senseless maiming and killing.
On the other hand, when I do act out in violence,
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I can understand you not liking it, but the 'short attention span and are easily amused' comment is not really what makes these games appealing in the longer-term sense. What makes this game unique in contrast to
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Maybe Rockstar could do a strategy spinoff of the GTA series, where you're the mobster (forget his name... it's been a year since I last played), assigning missions and such. Hmmm...
you must not have played it (Score:2)
It's really quite a complex adventure game.
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Re:mmm, pointless violence. (Score:2)
What most people see when they watch people play GTA3 is people running around doing all the extra things that are NOT part of the main game. The jumps. Weapon cheats giving anyone a sniper rifle, stinger, with basically unlimited ammo. Health cheats. Getting the army out after you then reducing your wanted level with a cheat, then stealing the FBI cars
Re:Ummm didn't Rockstar sign some sort of... (Score:1)
But I've already played GTA III (Score:1)
Now, Vice City for the cube, that will be cool.
I dunno. I'm still more excited about SSX 3 [planetgamecube.com] for the GC.
Re:But I've already played GTA III (Score:2)
I'd be excited... (Score:3)
Hopefully Rockstar won't be dumb enough to sign another exclusivity contract, unless it's with the platform I already have, then it'd be okay.
Re:I'd be excited... (Score:2, Insightful)
Also being limited to the largest user base cant be too bad. especially when your the main reason for increasing that userbase
music to my ears! (Score:1)
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If anyone has any info, I'd still like to know exactly why. Will Nintendo's next platform be out by the time DNF comes out? ( ;
Framerate (Score:3, Interesting)
Blurry tracers (Score:2)
I have absolutely no idea why they made motion blur the default for Vice City. It gave me a headache before I managed to work out how to turn it off.
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Me, I just want a good game. Some people, however, are real snobs in the graphics area - see anyone who buys a high-end graphics card on the first day it's available.
Re:Framerate (Score:1)
Things are never that simple. The GC and Xbox ARE more powerful than the PS2 pretty much across the board, but it comes down to optimization and the like.
There's no reason that Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance should run so poorly on GC and so much better on PS2, but that's how it does.
However, let's take into account that the PC version of Vice City runs far superior to the PS2 version, given a decent
Re:Framerate (Score:1)
Coming out a few years after the game's initial release means that they're going to have to do something to pretty them up.
Your Power Pill [levelupdesign.com]
Re:Framerate (Score:2)
The world looks much nicer if you do.
Probably not an issue (Score:1)
I have read articles suggesting that Rockstar North (then DMA Design) didn't even need the Renderware source code, they had a working test version up within a week.
FYI, you can turn off the tracers (Score:1)
Huh? (Score:1)
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According to Nintendo's web site, there will be a Grand Theft Auto 3 coming out.
BUT FOR THE GBA!!! [nintendo.com]
Very interesting.
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It's about damn time! (Score:1)
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With Sony exclusivity ending... (Score:1, Interesting)
I know Sony was almost unwilling to let go this exclusive rights on the PS2, but to ROCKSTAR, hopeufully will open up the market for them and bring some innovation.
MSFT's XBOX can hopefully get ROCKSTAR to consider a network option with MSFT's XBOX LIVE!. On Nintendo's Gamecube it can consider the connectivity with their portable system, GameboyAdv
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Can't wait for multiplayer a Liberty City Surviver mod. (If you haven't listed to in game radio in GTA3, you wouldn't understand...)
Cool (Score:1)
Broader Platforms (Score:2)
I first heard the news about multiple platforms at GameTab News [gametab.com]. Here are all the related GTA stories [gametab.com].
${ $GTA[3] }{'vice_city'}[2] (Score:1)
But honestly, doesn't a story like this leave a bad taste in anyone else's mouth? That a big gaming story is the re-release of a two-year old game that's already sold like a buzilliathon copies for the system with the 80 % marketshare?
Shouldn't this article really be entitled, "publi
Re:${ $GTA[3] }{'vice_city'}[2] (Score:1)
Anyways, most people only buy one console. If the contract runs out on a popular game, it would only make sense to port it to other consoles in order to get additional sales - especially if the work required was negligible.
Unfortunatly, too many ports end up being inferior to their original. Grandia 2 on the PS2 looks worse than the Dreamcast version, for instance.
However, other ports tend to
Speaking of IGN (Score:2)
It says that this is a rumor. (Score:1)
Re:It says that this is a rumor. (Score:1)
This is still a rumor, but it's not a very surprising one. The contract ends when the next GTA game is released,
More games for my SexXBox (Score:1)
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