Activision Sues Star Trek Over Franchise Decay 93
Thanks to an anonymous reader for pointing to a press release announcing that Activision is suing Viacom for breach of contract over the Star Trek game license. The article summarizes Activion's complaints: "..through its actions and inactions, Viacom has let the once proud Star Trek franchise stagnate and decay", and furthermore that "..a continuing pipeline of movie and television production, and related marketing, is absolutely crucial to the success of video games based on a property such as Star Trek." Activision has terminated the contract agreement, and looks to recover damages and advances from Viacom - according to a Dow Jones story, "..the initial license agreement included $20 million in advance royalties and warrants, with additional payments to be based on game sales."
It sounds like a legitimate gripe. (Score:5, Insightful)
Let's see a show of hands for everyone who thought Nemesis was the best Star Trek yet?
[crowd remains motionless]
The likely problem I see is that damned corporate pride. There are all kinds of fun things to do in the StarTrek universe still. The Viacom execs. must have convinced themselves that "StarTrek is dead and we have the ratings from Nemesis to prove it."
I certainly hope someone at that company has the balls to say Nemesis sucked because we made it suck, and shop for a decent script for a new movie.
Re:It sounds like a legitimate gripe. (Score:2)
If the Voyager series makes it to the big screen, its going to take a LOT of hardcore action & space fight scenese to get me to go to it anywhere other than the dollar cinema.
Re:It sounds like a legitimate gripe. (Score:2, Informative)
I can just see the movie now: In the 24th century, a new paper-pusher has come to StarFleet Command...
Hey, it can't be any worse than Nemesis...
Re:It sounds like a legitimate gripe. (Score:3, Insightful)
Neelix left behind? YAAAAA! Admittedly, I stopped watching Voyager.
I've seen a couple of the news series' episodes, despite my loathing of Scott Bakula. The hot Vulcan chic is the only reason to tune in, and even then the coldness of her character (yes, I know Vulcans as supposed to be that way) makes one lose interest.
Nemesis blew. The Scimitar was a cool ship, but not cool enough to rescue the movie.
Re:It sounds like a legitimate gripe. (Score:1)
Just because you put someone in a catsuit that looks more like bodypaint does not make them hot.
She's just there so Brannon Braga has a 'hot model' on standby for when his relationship with Jeri Ryan breaks up.
Besides, she is the worst excuse for a Vulcan yet... and that is counting the racists Vulcans from DS9 who sucked at baseball.
Want to see a hot Vulcan? Saavik. (Both of them).
And a good looking woman on Bermanprise? Look no further than 'Hoshi Sato'.
And don't even get me started
OT: Patrick Stewart through with Star Trek (Score:5, Interesting)
I certainly hope someone at that company has the balls to say Nemesis sucked because we made it suck, and shop for a decent script for a new movie.
A few weeks ago us.imdb.com had a brief blurb stating that Patrick Stewart had formally decided that Nemesis would be his last Trek. He said he was bitterly disappointed with the poor reception of the film and he thought it was actually quite good. Apparently he's pissed off enough that he's vowed never to do another Trek. He said that he was sorry that it would have to end on a low note but that he had lost all interest. Sorry I don't have a link.
GMD
Re:OT: Patrick Stewart through with Star Trek (Score:2, Informative)
Link [yahoo.com]
Re:OT: Patrick Stewart through with Star Trek (Score:2)
One would think he'd take extra care to make sure that the next movie (if there is a next movie) was damn good, as to not duplicate Nemesis's's's poor performance.
Re:OT: Patrick Stewart through with Star Trek (Score:2, Insightful)
The same can be said for Insurrection. I really liked that movie (though alot of people didn't), it and nemesis were more like episodes than movies.
Re:OT: Patrick Stewart through with Star Trek (Score:2)
(I don't doubt you - i read the bit on IMDB and other places as well)
Re:OT: Patrick Stewart through with Star Trek (Score:2)
It looked good, the acting and direction were good, the script was good, the editing was good...
oh yeah, pulling a major villain out of your ass just plain sucks.
Re:OT: Patrick Stewart through with Star Trek (Score:2)
Strange, in this article [trekweb.com] he is advocating another one.
Re:It sounds like a legitimate gripe. (Score:3, Funny)
I certainly hope someone at that company has the balls to say Nemesis sucked because we made it suck, and shop for a decent script for a new movie.
Viacom exec 1: Nemesis sucked because we made it suck.
Viacom exec 2: Nemesis sucked? But everybody thought the script was so good when we used it for Wrath of Khan.
Viacom exec 1: You're right. Maybe we went too far back.
Rick Berman
Re:It sounds like a legitimate gripe. (Score:2, Funny)
Duh!
Re:It sounds like a legitimate gripe. (Score:5, Funny)
(Lightbulb on!)
I'd pay full price and buy a LARGE popcorn and LARGE soda just to see an officially licensed movie which combined Star Trek and Planet of the Apes.
Wow.
They'd resurrect MST3k just for this one movie alone...
Re:It sounds like a legitimate gripe. (Score:2)
Yeah, Berman and Bragga together are the touch of death. How many shows have you seen where nothing actually happens that weren't wrtten by Bragga? Who the hell are these guys sucking off to keep their jobs?
The best thing Viacom could do to revive the franchise is get rid of Berman and Bragga! There have to be plenty of good idea people around the Star Trek universe who can bring in and produce more fresh ideas. You have the Star Trek book lines, plenty of fan fiction, Game writers, altern
for a good Trek movie, get the script... (Score:5, Interesting)
This past weekend my wife and I went to "Bend It Like Beckham," a wonderfully fun movie. At the same second-run theatre we saw that Matrix2 was there already, and XMen2 had been playing for a few weeks.
I'm convinced that it's a general problem with American business. First off, IMHO they believe that "business" is more important than other factors like talent and originality, and that a good manager can manage anything into profitability. Second, I don't really believe that they're even good businessmen, because a good businessman is willing to take a risk and make it work, or accept the consequences of failure. It's perceived as less "risky" to follow a franchise than to try something original, hence the collection of sequels and comic book adaptations.
Gee, these sound like the same problems hounding the music industry - promoting "safe" rehashes of the same old stuff.
But of course it's not really "safe", because movies are bombing and music sales are down. Oh wait, we can blame that on Internet piracy!
The real issue is that it depends on what you mean by the word, "safe," and not in a Clintonesque way. There's "safe" in the media boardrooms and meeting rooms, and there's "safe" in the marketplace. These days, there's little correlation.
Actually, "safe" in todays marketplace should mean taking risks, and that means that sometimes you'll bomb. But is that any worse than today's sequelmania? Consider that today's sequelmania is producing dismal results, is a bomb or two really that bad when originality will probably also bring some HITS?
Plus, as others have said, big budgets and special effects do not necessarily correlate with a good movie. "Bend It Like Beckham" looked pretty cheap to make, as did "The Full Monty" of a few years back. Good writing and good acting are much more important.
Re:for a good Trek movie, get the script... (Score:2, Interesting)
TMR and TPM (Score:2, Informative)
I guess a Fan and his money are soon parted.
Re:for a good Trek movie, get the script... (Score:1)
Re:for a good Trek movie, get the script... (Score:1)
When I say "Go outside the US," I guess I'm being unfair to the writers. I suspect if US execs went outside the US looking for scripts, they'd manage to find the same kind of stuff they find inside the US.
You've made my point, better.
Re:for a good Trek movie, get the script... (Score:1)
Neither of my examples was a 'great' movie, but both were good movies. Maybe they weren't that spectacular, but neither did they have giant budgets. Neither were "Hulks". (Which I want to see, as soon as it gets to cheap-seats.)
On a different vein, it's not so much any particular aspect of
Re:for a good Trek movie, get the script... (Score:2)
Re:It sounds like a legitimate gripe. (Score:2)
Best Star Trek overall? Nope. Wrath of Khan seems to be unbeatable.
Best Next Gen movie? I'd raise my hand there - based on the fact that it seems to have the fewest plot holes out of the four. Neither Generations nor First Contact should have made it anywhere near production if anyone had a clue what they were doing - I am unable to enjoy either one of them because the plot holes are utterly ridiculous.
Meaning I ca
Re:It sounds like a legitimate gripe. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:It sounds like a legitimate gripe. (Score:2)
[crowd remains motionless]
Funny, everybody I know *loved* Nemesis. It was truer to the original Star Trek, which was a simple fly-around-and-blow-things-up type of show. The newer Star Treks have turned into namby-pamby self-important soap operas. If the special effects hadn't gotten so amazing in recent years, the god-awful scripts would have killed the show a long time ago.
Here's a clue: shows like Star Trek are su
Re:It sounds like a legitimate gripe. (Score:1)
The script as written did not suck. It's just a shame that Stuart Baird decided that in order to turn a 3 hour script in to a 2 hour movie he had to chop out all of the parts that made the movie a Star Trek movie, instead of Generic Sci-Fi Action Film #470423.
The biggest gripe I had with the film was not that it was a bad film, it wasn't IMHO, but that Baird's amateurish editing left us with events going on in the background that just occurred with no exp
Ok....? (Score:5, Insightful)
And Activision wants Viacom to continue to invest in a less-than-profitable franchise so Activision can continue to ride their coattails & sell a few games?
Lame.
Re:Ok....? (Score:2)
Re:Ok....? (Score:4, Insightful)
Viacom probably doesn't care much about the Trek franchise any more, because it's part of that big white elephant known as UPN. Paramount started UPN because it had a theory that studios should own networks. (Same theory that made Disney buy ABC and Time-Warner start The WB.) I've always suspected that they cancelled TNG, despite high ratings, just to get out of syndication contracts that prevented them from moving the show to a network.
Now Paramount is part of Viacom, which owns CBS. They'd unload UPN if they could, and they're not going to give it much attention in the meantime. But if they could be forced to spare some attention for this tiny part of their empire known as Star Trek, they could make some changes that would bring the fans back.
Re:Ok....? (Score:2)
You're right. But the suits at Viacom are so far removed from the fans (hmm, sounds like the RIAA eh?) that they'll never realize this and ST will go away.
In the long run, they're only hurting their pockets and the pockets of the cast & crew (as well as robbing us of what was once a great series..)
Alright viacom! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Alright viacom! (Score:2, Funny)
Quality of Games (Score:4, Funny)
Riiiiight.
Re:Quality of Games (Score:1)
Re:Quality of Games (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Quality of Games (Score:2)
Elite Force a lot of people seemed to like...
Armada 1 and 2 were both a lot of fun.
Bridge Commander was great...
What games are YOU talking about?
Sue Rick Bermen! (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Sue Rick Bermen! (Score:1)
And don't forget Brannon Braga, he's equally bad.
They're the Beavis and Butthead that managed to turn Trek into one of the worst series on TV -- even Andromeda (with 'Hercules' Sorbo) is better.
And before anyone starts with 'Berman was hand-picked by Roddenberry as his successor', that is an urban myth started by Berman himself.
Star Wars anyone (Score:5, Funny)
Mesa thinks de star wars franchise jumped the shark a long long time ago.
StarTrek died the day it turned it into SF (Score:4, Insightful)
It died the day they turned it into Science Fiction.
"What must have happened is a shift in the space time continuim" yawn
It must be a non story because there's nothing on here [wilwheaton.net] about it
All a big shame because I was really looking forward to being Nelix' apprentice and learning to fry insects in the MMORPG. Maybe I can be a space gardener instead!
Re:StarTrek died the day it turned it into SF (Score:2)
Personally, I like Enterprise. I also think Next Generation was a good series, mostly due to Patrick Stewart.
Voyager did suck horribly though, which I think still attributes greatly to the lack of interest in Trek these days.
Re:StarTrek died the day it turned it into SF (Score:1)
Seriously though, I was a trek person only through STtNG and the original (reruns), mostly because they actually clicked, damn good casts, good plots, characters you liked, and a small dose of comedy.
DS9, Voyager and Enterprise lacked all of these elements. I hated EVERYONE in DS9, the captian rocked, but his spawn and the worfling took up too much of the show. That and the silly little war stuff, w
Re:StarTrek died the day it turned it into SF (Score:2)
Re: Preposterous (Score:4, Insightful)
Re: Preposterous (Score:5, Informative)
Also, please explain the concept of a loosing team. I am familiar with teams that lose games, and are hence labled 'losing teams'. Maybe the two terms are related?
Re: Preposterous (Score:1)
Am I right?
More proof, (Score:5, Insightful)
Sheesh.
Re:More proof, (Score:2)
...you didn't just compare Star Trek to the Mona Fucking Lisa, did you?
Activision should sue Interplay (Score:3, Insightful)
That's not to say that low sales are wrong, but Activision should realize that it acquires a highly profiled franchise, which will not appeal to the same number of people as games like The Sims or the Command & Conquer series.
Re:Activision should sue Interplay (Score:3, Interesting)
After the terms of the agreements ended, Activision made a concerted effort to consolidate the franchises and bought the rights to the entire world of Star Trek.
Re:Activision should sue Interplay (Score:2)
Re:Activision should sue Interplay (Score:2)
I'm one of the many ticked off Mac users from the Star Trek: 25th Anniv. game where they kept promising and promising the Mac users would be able to do battle with the PC users. Same game, different versions. They'd release a patch for one, and then not the other. When they released a patch for the other, it STILL had them out of sync. They had a message board on the MacPlay site. It was a bloodbath. They had to shut it down because we were raking them over the coals. Don't ev
What they should do (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:What they should do (Score:2)
It would take a few years, but in the meantime, nobody has to worry about an odd-numbered movie farking everything up!
And doggone it, if they ever do
They Are Alone... (Score:5, Funny)
Activision sues Star Trek? (Score:3, Funny)
Guys, can you change the title to something that makes sense?
Amazing! (Score:3, Funny)
I are flabberghasted!
Re:Amazing! (Score:2)
Re:Amazing! (Score:3, Insightful)
So since /. has adopted this idiosyncracy of the British, how come they don't include an extra U in certain select words, e.g., colour? For that matter, why isn't a truck a lorrie, a subway a tube and a television a telly? Shouldn't they be substituting C for S in a select number of words, e.g., defence?
Obviously I'm too senstive to this whole affair of what
Re:Amazing! (Score:2)
The Slashdot editor (myself) who wrote the post is English. Hence you will occasionally see Anglicizations (Anglicisations?) in my posts. This was actually one I wasn't aware of, and I'm going to try to viciously staunch it, as I have those poor 'U' characters - sentenced to death to save frenzied typing from Slashdot pedants the world over. Slashdot is, indeed, meant to be an American English zone, and I'll be doing all I can to strive for this important goal.
It's 'lorry', btw.
Re:Amazing! (Score:2)
Sorry if this is actually very common, I don't usually spend any time in the games section.
Re:Amazing! (Score:1)
Did it hurt when they removed your sense of humor?
Re:Amazing! (Score:1)
Not as much as when they took out your sense of sarcasm!
Re:Amazing! (Score:2)
Ah, but you say "Activison sucks, they are evil" not "it is evil".
Your english teacher is wrong, as evidenced by how people talk about sports teams.
"The Celtics *are* going to win this year" not "The Celtics is going to win this yea
Re:Amazing! (Score:2)
Ok, so I didn't realize that this was how they spoke in another country. I love the assumption that because I didn't know the specifics of another dialog, that automatically makes one some ignorant American.
It's also perfectly logical to look at a company as being a single being, so try not to sound so snotty, ok?
Re:Amazing! (Score:2)
Activision = one company
one company = single entity
single entity = singular
singular form of verb = is (not are)
Let me guess, you are stuck up nerd right?
New Star Trek Icon suggestion (Score:3, Funny)
Wow... just as I enjoy it. (Score:2)
Whaddaloadacrap! (Score:4, Insightful)
In other words, they are suing because DS9 and Voyager ran for "only" seven years apiece.
I call Shenanigans right there.
Re:Whaddaloadacrap! (Score:2)
We never really heard anyone talk seriously about an eighth season just because their contracts ran out. Too bad. The 3rd season was when it really started to pick up. So maybe they owe us for seasons 1 and 2?
Re:Whaddaloadacrap! (Score:2)
Consider the steaming pile of manure that was season 7 of TNG. The only really stand-out of that season was "All Good Things". Would the legacy of that show have been better served by cutting it off at 6? Possibly so.
Similarly, would DS9 have gone downhill had it stuck around? I say yes.
However... (Score:2)
Chris Mattern
Activision's big enough and ugly enough... (Score:2, Interesting)
And then they could stop sueing and we could stop tuning into more disappointing episodes (hoping against hope that this will be the turnaround episode were something fun happens).
Trek is Dying (Score:2)
Dammit, I'm a doctor, not a video game publisher! (Score:2)
From the publisher's point of view, you can see the attraction of a well-known franchise. Here's Star Trek, with legions of fans. The publisher, being a bean counter first and foremost, isn't really disposed to thinking, "I wonder what makes ST work," or "I wonder if we can translate what makes ST work on TV and in film to games," or "When are people going to get tired of this ST st
Too bad Khan is dead (Score:2)
Or better yet, make a Cocoon 3 where all the Star Trek cast members are revitalized by alien pods in a pool.
I still like Star Trek . . . (Score:1)