War Game To Use Troop-Filmed DoD Footage 80
Thanks to Yahoo!/Hollywood Reporter for the news that a new videogame will incorporate exclusive raw video shot by U.S. troops stationed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Liberia, and elsewhere. The PC action title, called Kuma:War, launches next February (there are screenshots available via Blue's News), and intends to allow you to "play the news" with a CNN-style filmed introduction to each real-life themed game level - the article explains: "players could get a first-person perspective experience of what it was like to rescue Army Pvt. Jessica Lynch or participate in the raid that killed Uday and Qusay Hussein - staged authentically, right down to such details as the type of grenades that were used in the mission and the exact location of the snipers."
More video? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:More video? (Score:2)
I bought a copy of MGS2 a while back from ebay (once it got cheap...) I had rented the game once, but since had deleted my save file. Well, tell ya what, playing the game again was downright annoying until I got to the same point that I was when I rented it.
There's almost no replayability because of all of the information they cram into the cutscenes... Kinda like a scary movie. It's only good once through....
Just like real life? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Just like real life? (Score:5, Funny)
Extra! Includes the chance to kill Mustapha! (Score:2)
Re:Extra! Includes the chance to kill Mustapha! (Score:3, Insightful)
I could make a case for either way... it would nice to finally have that answered.
=tkk
The news already plays us... (Score:2)
I hope not. There are plenty of fictional video games out there already. I'd like one like this to be somewhat based in reality.
Make it realistic.. (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Make it realistic.. (Score:1)
Re:Make it realistic.. (Score:1)
What we won't see (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:What we won't see (Score:1)
Re:What we won't see (Score:2)
I agree that soldiers must protect themselves, but it is clear that there were a number of incidents in which they just did not run the checkpoints competently and their incompetence put them in the position of having to shoot unarmed civilians because they had not bothered to get things right when they set up the checkpoints.
Re:What we won't see (Score:1)
Re:What we won't see (Score:1)
How much detail? (Score:5, Funny)
So you're saying I could do everything including silencing key witnesses, faking injuries, inviting Fox News along for the ride, and paying off a military officer to take part in a massive madia fueled fabrication?
Jeez, forget Doom. Where do I sign up?
Re:How much detail? (Score:2)
Cool... maybe we can get chicken hawk backroom introductions to the missions too!
Jessica Lynch! (Score:5, Interesting)
The saddest part is jessica's claim of not remembering anything about the ordeal. I'm sure she was ordered to simply say that. This is a shame, and an insult to the doctors who so cared for her during her stay.
Re:Jessica Lynch! (Score:2)
Obviously the Gov't played up the Lynch rescue, you'd be a fool if you didn't.
But...
the Army shot at the vehicle carrying Lynch, because they didn't know she was in it, or what it was doing.
But there's more (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:But there's more (Score:2)
The mainstream media isn't making her out to be a hero. It's been mostly a 'yay, she's okay!' kind of deal.
And the reason it's getting so much exposure is beacuse it's a pretty interetsing to people. I mean, christ, she's my age! And have you seen the pre-war photo of her, in cammies and aga
Re:But there's more (Score:1)
Re:But there's more (Score:1)
She's America's little sweetheart, that's the extent of it. It's sickening.
Re:But there's more (Score:2)
I think you're confusing the Purple Heart for the Medal of Honor.
Re:But there's more (Score:1)
Re:But there's more (Score:2)
I can (as opposed to can't) wait till she writes her book, or whatever. That'll hopefully clear some things up.
Re:But there's more (Score:2)
Dude. What the fuck is wrong with you? If any American gets attacked any time for any reason they are instantly heroes. It's in the fucking law.
I'd also like to take this opportunity to honor all those brave brave auto mechanics, fixing our cars for exorbitant prices in our
Re:Jessica Lynch! (Score:2, Insightful)
Just to clarify, was that the Iraqis or the Americans?
Remember, it's only a war crime if they have chemical weapons, fund terrorism, detain without applying the Geneva convention, use non-uniformed special forces, order assassinations of other heads of states and parade war dead for the media. If we do it, it's patriotic.
Re:Jessica Lynch! (Score:2)
That's what the British SAS sometimes does, BTW.
yay! clusterbombs and napalm! (Score:1)
i sure hope there is a 'kick the prisoner in the head' option or some such!
f64 : can i throw up now, please?
Saving Private Lynch! (Score:1)
Extra points if the blanks you're firing makes your ranger buddy in front of you jump!
And, maybe we have realistic muscle flexing in front of the cute Iraqi nurses?
Realistic AI like that'll add some time to the dev process..
That's why we haven't found Saddam and Osama! (Score:5, Funny)
They claim not to have found Saddam and Osama because they're keeping the film secret to make a surprise ending for the video game!
"Want to know what really happened to Saddam and Osama? Buy the game and find out!"
[ I also hear there's going to be cheat codes that allow you to find the weapons of mass destruction on the final level.]
-Peter
Theyl find saddam (Score:2)
sounds good... (Score:3, Funny)
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Unlike Arnett.... (Score:1)
Not unlike the rest of his "journalism" then, eh?
A new low... (Score:1)
Re:A new low... (Score:3, Interesting)
Very good point, wish I had mod points for ya. I don't think people would be very happy if someone made a mod where you had to take planes hostage and crash them into buildings (although I have to admit, a mod like that would
the reference to the Iraqi war and the others too (Score:4, Insightful)
Money MONEY! ... but from the article
Kinda makes me wonder...the Iraqi war that hasn't been justified yet (remember the justification was some WMD and now the experts say the trailers were for producing hydrogen) and here you have people cashing in on the tragedy again in the form of computer games. Sure it was great for CNN and MSNBC and other agencies - great business
A subscription component keeps the action up to date with events in the real world (news - Y! TV). The initial PC game, due out in February, will come with eight to 12 missions in a traditional retail package for about $40. After that, players can choose to download an additional mission every week for a monthly fee of about $10.
Does this sound ethical? Isn't this promoting war in a way?...also from the article
The first title will include missions based on actual happenings in Iraq, Afghanistan (news - web sites), Liberia (news - web sites) and Korea. The game's missions will allow for both single-player and multiplayer experiences, which will vary depending on the actual events that are being re-created in the realistic, virtual worlds.
Sure Sure you are re-enacting history but wtf - who needs to re-enact war really and these kinds of wars....? Ok Afghanistan was justified but I see Liberia above and Korea - is it North Korea - does this mean North K is gonna be "liberated"? Also when i say these wars have to be justified, seriously apart from the innocent civilians, don't the americans care about losing their soldiers? How sad would it to be lose your only son, to lose your husband...lose a father...Jeez mod me as troll or flamebait but making money off these kinda wars(Iraq) is in my opinion unethical besides being bullshit.
Hrmm.. (Score:2)
Hrmm, what am I talking about, it's the US..
Re:Hrmm.. (Score:1)
I don't know about this (Score:2, Flamebait)
But this is kind of twisted. Its just not right to be playing games based on the life and death situations that our military is facing this very moment. I'm not going to have fun taking down an Iraqi insurgent with my simulated M-16, when a very real soldier or Marine is doing the exact same thing on the other side of the world.
Now, with games set in the past (like, at least ten years ago) or games set in a hypothetical future (like the Rain
Aside from the moral problems... (Score:3, Interesting)
Anybody else get outraged at the audacity of that pricing? I'm sorry, I will NOT pay $10 a month for a new fucking level. This isn't even a MMORPG. This would be the equivelant of asking people to pay $10/month for a new mod for halflife or bf1942.
And what if you signed on after a few missions had been released. Does the $10 entitle you to all the old missions? What if you don't want a certain months mission, do you still have to pay for it? Aside from the fact that charging a large fee for a new mission is insulting and will not work, I think what would stand a better chance is charging a VERY LOW fee, like $1-$2 per new mission. That way you could get the ones you want, and avoid the ones you don't want. But fact is, with every other FPS game out there (that will always be a step above this made-for-marketing crud) giving free updates and levels away fairly frequently, and extensive modding communities, this game won't stand a chance.
200 vs 4, someone is going to yell "TEAMS!" (Score:4, Funny)
Stick with www.americasarmy.com.
Poser Outrage (Score:1)
I personally have only seen the last one and only because it was shown in school and I would be tested on it.
Please keep your inconsistent poser activism speechs to yourself. You can surely get karma points other ways, eh boys?
Re:Poser Outrage (Score:1)
Re:Poser Outrage (Score:1)
So it comes back to you defending your actions of participating in one insensitive act while condemning another. Hyposcrisy!
Re:Poser Outrage (Score:1)
Because as time passes, it's less painful to the people who were affected by it. I'm sure when Otzi the caveman died it was a tragic event to some one. Are you saying that you feel pain for when Otzi died? Please.
If you killed some one to save your mother, but condemned killing in general? Would that be hypocricy? Probably.
But if you wouldn't be save your mother in order to avoid being a hypocrit, not only would you no longer have a mother but you wou
Re:Poser Outrage (Score:1)
I should be and will be blunt. How many 10 year olds go out to see Schindler's List alone on a Saturday? How many 14 year olds see Titanic the whole of their summer? But when this game comes out, you can be sure these kids would download the demo from the internet if a demo is available or get a copy from godknowswhere and start fragging and learning some history - oh yeah - little Tommy playing this game gets the impression that all Iraqis, NorthKoreans and all Afghans are terrorists - oh yeah no innocent
Re:Poser Outrage (Score:1)
Re:Poser Outrage (Score:2)
People profiting from other people dying is really bad indeed. Movies such as the Schindler's List attempted to highlight the work of a man who had humanity in his mind. Titanic was about a love story - sure they made money and people cried but the point is with your assumption everything on earth could be reduced to person A profiting from person B's death. Like a son waiting for his father to die - an young executive waiting profiting from his CEO's death - events that occur no matter what. NOW, movies t
Re:Poser Outrage (Score:1)
if someone suggested an "America's Greatest Executions" TV show, would you be so quick to defend it?
Furthermore, I doubt that this game will encompass the type of critical thought and self awareness that would be required to redeem it. Perhaps if you could play from both sides of a conflict
Re:Poser Outrage (Score:1)
Re:Poser Outrage (Score:1)
so if i know anything about any human history, and found it intriguing, i'd be a hypocrite to object to the game?
titanic and saving ryans privates don't matter. they're fictious, and are not made more real because they are using historical events.
the critique of this game, as i see it, is basically that it will be showcased as a "real" simulation of events because it will be so closely integrated with what's shown on the tv that those kids (or adults, for all i know) playing it might not see
Re:Poser Outrage (Score:1)
I saw Titanic (a girl friend made me do it years later) and Saving Private Ryan. Neither of those movies are historically accurate recreations. I mean, the Titanic was a horrid love story that was made up. The setting attempted to be realistic. I believe Schindler's List also tried to be accurate (as accurate as anything from Hollywood anyways). These are movies telling stories that many peopl
Hrmm... (Score:1)
The previously recorded video will make it look REALLY realistic when your troops find weapons of mass destruction!
I don't get it (Score:1)
Real life war! (Score:2, Funny)
Just like it was when the US army did it.
"... a new videogame will incorporate exclusive raw video shot by U.S. troops..."
I can see it now: "US invades Germany, Russia, Iran and France for video game sequel footage."
Re:Real life war! (Score:3, Funny)
Do they mean me re-playing the news or we hear about "WMD found", "terror trailers", "children's prisons" and the "the noose is tightening" in headlines and then retractions, corrections, clarifications and caveats on page 32 under the fold?
=tkk
Interesting nonetheless (Score:1)
Seeing how this is a more "mainstream" title than previous attempts, I will be
Re:Interesting nonetheless (Score:1)
(Personally, episodic games would make me as happy as a million rats dying, but opposite-style [doublefine.com]. That might have to do with how repetitive, and filler-filled I think most games are, or it might just be that a short attention span was the reason I liked ICO [icothegame.com] so much.
Re:Interesting nonetheless (Score:1)
Speaking as a small-scale developer, episodic is not on my holy grail list. Innovation is there, originality is there but looking down the list I just don't see episodic gaming anywhere.
I think you may be thinking of large-scale corporate developers looking to decrease any and all risk by cashing in on existing 'proven' (in their eyes) ideas.
{rant}Now speaking as a human being, I find it pretty disturbing that executives are so
Bleh (Score:1)
Oh, I guess that's what teh army recruiters are counting on.....
Hmmm