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Warp Pipe On Linux, Mac Versions, Future Plans 24

Posted by simoniker from the further-down-the-warp-pipe-hole dept.
Thanks to the Warp Pipe website for recent updates announcing downloadable Linux and Mac OS X Alpha/Beta versions of their GameCube tunnelling software, following the release of the Windows Beta a couple of weeks back. The Internet-play enabling LAN hack already works for Kirby Air Ride and Mario Kart: Double Dash!!, and the Warp Pipe site also notes that "development on our next release is coming along nicely. New versions (Windows, Mac, and Linux) will support [latest LAN-compatible GC title] 1080: Avalanche."
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  • How does Warp Pipe differ from a basic VPN? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Leknor ( 224175 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @03:25PM (#7672021)
    How does Warp Pipe differ from a basic VPN?

    • Answer, etc. (Score:3, Interesting)

      by the morgawr ( 670303 )
      I see no reason VPN wouldn't work as well. It might even work better, since you don't have to do anything to the packets.

      However, these games were designed for the low latency of a LAN, I'm not seeing how they manage to work all that well over the internet.

      Also isn't warp pipe the idiots who put their stuff on sourceforge and then tried to say it wasn't open source? Or was that some other group?

      • Re:Answer, etc. (Score:1, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward
        Yes it's those idiots. It's also the same idiots who accused one of the big XBox tunnelers (looking to put in GC support) of stealing their code. Of course at the time there was no code, the only thing of value was a paper about Kirby's datastream, which he said anyone could use. The program also runs like shit (the initial computer to computer connection, to setup for starting your GCs/etc, fails at least 1/3rd of the time for absolutely no reason)
      • What VPN's can you run under Linux and OSX and Windows?
    • It searches for other cubes with a TTL of 1. So it is un-routable in the traditional sense. Something needs to take the packets and encapsolate them while ignoring the TTL.

      It is also probably hyper optomized for latency instead of reliability.
      • So... a normal linux based VPN plus one or two NetFilter rules to mangle the TTL of the packets from the GC should do the trick?

        If so, it sounds like a HOW-TO that is in language a Windows user can understand and that describes how to use Knoppix bootable CD to create the VPN plus what to type for netfilter should do the trick.
        • Sounds like it should work to me.

          I did not examine anything though. I am just reposting what the people working on the project said about why a standard VPN would not work.

          I would also imagine that it is optimized for low latency more then a typical VPN though.

          If I were doing a project like this I would try to make it something like VPN over UDP as a start, but I don't really know.
  • For anyone who's tried it: how is it? How fart away was your partner?

    • Re:Well, how is it? (Score:5, Funny)

      by Scyber ( 539694 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @03:37PM (#7672164)
      2 bean burritos and one beer away.
      • (i'm the original parent) - that's an hysterical typo, imo. I'm always one to laugh at myself, so good job Scyber...

        (for the record, i had originally typed it much nicer but quickly - so I then got one of those stupid "20 seconds" warnings and the original post was lost. I just retyped it quickly in the 1-line form you see there. "t" is next to "r," and the rest is history...)

    • Re:Well, how is it? (Score:4, Informative)

      by Paladine97 ( 467512 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @05:25PM (#7673709) Homepage
      I've played it several times. Here's my setup - I have a Linux based server/router and I forward port 4000 to my Windows machine that runs Warppipe (thank god I can run the Linux version on my server/router now instead). I have a cable modem with 3 MBps down and 256 Kbps up.

      Finding an opponent can be challenging. Right now you have to post your IM name in the WarpPipe forums and wait for somebody to IM you, or you can actively IM people in the hopes of finding a game. Fortunately I found a person who lived in the same city as me and was using the same ISP (Cox). So that is about the best situation you can hope for right there. We connected and played, and it was good. It was NOT FULL SPEED by any means, but it was more than acceptable. Probably 20-25 fps. Played a little rough but again, acceptable. It's fun. More fun than playing against the 'cheap' computer opponents. Next time I play I will use the Linux version in the hope that the decreased latency will help.

      I also tried playing with several other people in various areas and it was awfully slow. I was looking at 5 FPS MAXIMUM.

      So in conclusion, it's fun if you can find somebody close and on the same network. Otherwise, hope you have at least 512 Kbps upload for you and your opponent, and try it out.

  • Why trust it? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by DAldredge ( 2353 ) <SlashdotEmail@GMail.Com> on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @03:50PM (#7672344) Journal
    Why trust them? Look how the have acted in the past before you trust this software.

    This isn't a dig against closed source software, as I have quite a few closed source linux apps on my systems that I have paid for.

    Just look at this projects past behavior.
  • Chad, Project Manager [warppipe.com]:

    "Let me clear up a few things. First off, the Linux version has been ready since the Windows Beta release. It was my fault for the delay since I wasn't sure we should support linux or not."

    "As for running as root, since Warp Pipe is only run during the time you use it, it shouldn't be an issue. It should never be kept running unattended. Also, our linux support will be limited to command line applictions, as we don't have the resources for the limited demand to create a GUI that
    • And this after they said in the forums that all the version of their software would be the same because the were such good programmers and their knowledge of crossplatform GUI dev.

  • Runs as root? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by DAldredge ( 2353 ) <SlashdotEmail@GMail.Com> on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @07:38PM (#7675287) Journal
    You have to run the warp pipe as as root. I am not sure how smart that is, after all these are the people who didn't realize that anon cvs allowed anyone access to their code.

  • The GPL'd sourcecode is still available as package (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward
    here [sf.net]

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