Videogame Character Threatens National Security? 396
Watchful Babbler writes "Apparently, 'the lead item on the government's daily threat matrix one day last April' was clear and definite: a reclusive millionaire had formed a terrorist group with the intent of launching chemical weapons attacks on Western cities. The White House was notified and the Director of the FBI briefed as the government raced to find information. But then, according to USNews.com, a White House staffer decided to Google for information on suspected threat Don Emilio Fulci and found him -- in a video game - Sega's action title Headhunter. No word on exactly which sources and methods came up with this gem, but word in the E Ring is that Fulci had issued the cryptic warning, 'You have no chance to survive make your time'."
Hmmm (Score:5, Funny)
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I think that Goatse was implicated in the recent Iraqi prisoner mistreatment scandal.
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By Sega, no less!
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Sounds like we were trolled. (Score:2, Interesting)
Anyone know of this character or even the game? I'm not really a Sega person... speaking of which... Sega? When was the last time you saw a Sega? And this happened last April.... hmm... something fishy.
Re:Sounds like we were trolled. (Score:3, Insightful)
Google Search: "Don Fulci" [google.com] Results 1 - 10 of about 81 for "Don Fulci".
PSXNATION: Run by a crack team of hardcore gamers.
NTSC-uk review > Dreamcast > Headhunter
GamePartisan.com | Sony | Review
etc...
Re:Sounds like we were trolled. (Score:3, Insightful)
There are a couple of a problems with this kind of story:
1.) It's very sensational and funny. Something you woudln't expect to happen but 'did'.
2.) It's only being carried by ONE news site. Something this humorous and blunderous that has such far reaching claims of incompotency in our intelligence departments should have made bigger news. Why didn't it? The other news agenc
National Security Threats (Score:5, Funny)
Notice how the date is in April? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Notice how the date is in April? (Score:5, Insightful)
*sigh*
Re:Notice how the date is in April? (Score:5, Funny)
In other news (Score:4, Funny)
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Amazing (Score:5, Funny)
Aha! (Score:5, Funny)
All your Iraq are belong to U.S. (Score:5, Funny)
In A.D. 2003
War was beginning.
Saddam: What happen?
Mechanic: Somebody set up us the bomb.
Operator: We get signal
Saddam: What!
Operator: Main screen turn on.
Captain: It's you! We met in the '80s!
RUMSFELD: How are you gentlemen!!
RUMSFELD: All your Iraq are belong to U.S.
RUMSFELD: We are on the way to your weapons of mass destruction.
Saddam: What you say!!
RUMSFELD: You have no chance to survive make your time.
RUMSFELD: Ha Ha Ha Ha...
Re:Aha! (Score:3, Interesting)
But as it turns out, Hussein's scientists probably lied to him about the original estimates anyway.
Imminent Threat (Score:3, Insightful)
1. Does Iraq have weapons of mass destruction that can be used against the United States?
2. Is Iraq planning to use those weapons?
As is plainly evident, even to the man the Bush Administration hired to find the weapons couldn't find them, and I've seen no document saying that Iraq was planning an attack.
I think we all remember Colin Powell circling some stuff on a map, and then holding up a vial saying, "They have this here." Well, where the did "here" go?
What about North Korea?
Re:Imminent Threat (Score:3, Insightful)
In the early nineties, sure. And then nearly all of it was destroyed, correct? By the U.N.? Did he a) have weapons in 2003 and b) directly threatened the United States, and did he c) have the technological capability to achieve that threat?
The world told him to show proof that he had disarmed. He didn't. The only safe assumption a Commander in Chief could make based on that evidence is that he still has the weapons. Anthrax just does not dissappear, after all.
So, if I ask Cuba to show me
Re:Imminent Threat (Score:3, Insightful)
Cuba is not under international orders to disarm with an authorization to use military force to get them to comply, and Cuba has not shown a willingness to use WMDs in the past.
Man, oh man, is history ever repeating itself. The only difference is that there isn't a superpower opposite the US in polarity to help out Iraq. What we just did in Iraq we would have gladly done to Cuba in 1960. In fact, we tried it. Then Cuba got some nukes from the Soviet Union, and what happened?
That's right, we couldn't
Re:Imminent Threat (Score:3, Funny)
The UNSEC unanimously voted 17 times under chapter VII of the UN resolution that Iraq needed to be disarmed. The same can not (and could not) be said about Cuba.
Now, I'm not trying to take Saddam's side in this, I just don't think
Re:Imminent Threat (Score:3, Insightful)
The chemical weapons used in iran came in 2 forms. The first form was aerial delivery. American supplied chemicals were delivered from american supplied helicopters, originally justified as 'crop dusters'. The second form came as mortar shells. American made chemical shells were fired from german made mortars. The german supplier of the mortars brokered and acted as middle man in the purchase of th
Re:Imminent Threat (Score:3, Funny)
From the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute [sipri.se]
Re:Imminent Threat (Score:3, Insightful)
2) As for an imminent threat, Saddam was never a threat, imminent or otherwise.
Time for a little lesson about the concept of mutually assured destruction. The lesson that should have been learned from 9/11 that was not, was that non-state actors can be a serious threat to our country. Saddam has one motivating interest, his own power.
Let's assume, for the moment, that he got himself some nu
Balls ... AND BRAINS???? (Score:3, Insightful)
Yeah, hindsight is 20/20. But memos titled "Bin Ladin determined to strike in the US" tend to elicit some activity. It could generate a question like, "Hey Ashcroft, is this the reason you only fly private charter now????"
Ascroft's response of course would be
Re:Aha! (Score:3, Informative)
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Easy solution (Score:4, Funny)
Oh, you may need to pardon them for their mushroom usage, but it's for a good cause.
Is it me.... (Score:5, Insightful)
It certainly feels like evey time we get a false positive we panic.
Re:Is it me.... (Score:2)
If you ask that sort of question ... (Score:5, Funny)
A relocation expert from sunny Guantanamo Bay will be coming by in a few minutes to assist you in understanding the heretical error in your ways. I hope you're photogenic.
Re:Is it me.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Keep in mind the nature of the source, sort of a tongue-in-cheek political gossip column as well.
Some guy phoned in a tip, some low-level FBI grunt kicked it up the chain - as is his job. It was later found to be a hoax and thrown out. There was no panic or mayhem.
This happens all the time, everyone from assholes to crazies phone in to report bad guys from movies, etc. I remember reading an article about the rash of calls law enforcement got after Silence of the Lambs came out - people actually thought Hannibal Lecter was a real guy.
Re:"says no such thing" ?!? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Is it me.... (Score:4, Insightful)
It's their job to separate real threats from, well, fantasy threats. It always has, and they happened to suck it up one September day three years ago. Repeatedly, may I add.
What's the alternative? Close your eyes and hope? Iraq or not, September 11 or not, there's always going to be someone that doesn't like America, and there will always be people shouting "1984" when the gov't decides to do something, and people holding pictures of loved ones killed by terrorists when the gov't doesn't prevent incidents.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Re:competence (Score:3, Funny)
It's not just you (Score:4, Insightful)
For a war to really get traction and be effect it needs to be against a Person or Place, not just a Thing.
Again an example... (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:Again an example... (Score:5, Insightful)
Knee-jerk in what way? I don't remember Fulci being placed at the top of the Most Wanted List. Was there an APB put out for him? Did Bush get in front of the microphones and say we had a new, greater, enemy in the war on terror? No, some nutjob phoned in a "tip", and after it went through various channels someone discovered it was a hoax. It happens all the time, nothing to see here, move along.
I also hear... (Score:5, Funny)
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CAPPS II (Score:4, Funny)
John.
not released in the US (Score:5, Interesting)
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If you ask me, that was a terrorist act.
FBI Tipster revealed to be drunken frat boy (Score:5, Informative)
This links comes from what amounts to a trashy "dc insider" gossip column. Though, this sort of stuff happens all the time. People phone in bogus tips all the time. If they sound legit, they get investigated.
I also object to the articles description of Headhunter as "popular".
DOS attack on use non-intelligence (Score:3, Insightful)
"Sir, we've received a terrorist threat!" (Score:5, Funny)
"Every single military installation worldwide!"
"Really? What did it say?"
"'All Your Base Are Belong To Us."
Re:"Sir, we've received a terrorist threat!" (Score:5, Interesting)
"a borderline terrorist threat depending on what someone interprets it to mean." [wwmt.com]
Almost unbelievable... (Score:5, Informative)
But then Powell used a Graduate Student's Thesis [channel4.com] to justify a war against Iraq in front of the entire world.
Re:Almost unbelievable... (Score:5, Informative)
Its a freaking rumor. It probably has little truth behind it.
But then Powell used a Graduate Student's Thesis to justify a war against Iraq in front of the entire world.
No he didn't. Here [state.gov] is the text of Powell's UN address. He didn't mention anything from the UK dossier.
Re:Almost unbelievable... (Score:5, Interesting)
He praised the document. Here's a quote from Powell's speech [slashdot.org] (On 2/5/03):
I would call my colleagues' attention to the fine paper that the United Kingdom distributed yesterday which describes in exquisite detail Iraqi deception activities.
The paper in question [google.com] was "Iraq - its infrastructure of concealment, deception and intimidation [number-10.gov.uk]".
Number 10 Downing Street later admited that they plagerized a document from a Graduate Thesis [number-10.gov.uk] (Search for "Iraq"). This certainly puts the quality of some of the intellegence in question.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,890
I'm not arguing with accuracy of the text itself. But look,
this was Bush's chance to provide inarguable evidence that we should go to War.
Powell was presenting the President's argument for War in Iraq in front of the whole world.
The US is supposed to be the greatest nation in the world. We go to war only as a last resort and only when are arguments are sound and just. Right?
Bush could have convinced the entire world if he had used quality evidence, when a huge percentage of the world (and the US) doubted the reasons for war.
So what does Powell, when presenting this inarguable evidence, cite as a "fine paper"? A document was was largely lifted from a Graduate Student thesis.
Did they get this info removed from google? (Score:5, Interesting)
Does the US Gov't have hooks into google to prevent "Terrorist" information from being found?
Re:Did they get this info removed from google? (Score:5, Informative)
Also, Googling for "Don Fulci" [google.com] gives several results related to Headhunter.
Re:Did they get this info removed from google? (Score:2)
Re:Did they get this info removed from google? (Score:2, Informative)
There was moderate hype about it, but it was completely eclipsed by Metal Gear Solid SOL - of which Headhunter is but a second rate clone.
Re:Did they get this info removed from google? (Score:2, Informative)
They Got Told (Score:2, Funny)
Yeah, that Splinter Cell is just a silly ol' game too.
Today's Threat Matrix (Score:5, Funny)
Here's proof... (Score:3, Interesting)
Don't they know that "all work and no play makes jack a dull boy"?
Perhaps we need to coin a new acronym.
How about "DSFR".
Do Some Freaking Reasearch.
-Goran
Cover for real terrorists (Score:5, Funny)
Something's fishy. (Score:4, Interesting)
Another News Flash (Score:3, Funny)
Gameshark (Score:5, Funny)
Hero Is Immortal 24509328 36F055F8
Enemies Are Blind 24109228 36705568
Update... (Score:3, Funny)
Slight typo, that was supposed to read:
'the lead item on the government's daily threat matrix day one last April'
In other news (Score:5, Funny)
The Feds Are On The Case! (Score:4, Funny)
BULLSHIT (Score:3, Funny)
Are we expected to believe that our security agents were able to decode a web page written in Italian? That's just asking us to believe too much.
I don't see how... (Score:3, Insightful)
How else does it work? Magic? When a threat comes in, they use telepathic powers to determine that any given name is a real one and not a video game character? A quick google isn't to everyone's liking?
Dumbasses.
In other news (Score:5, Funny)
The National Security Agency said that comment it will not, but you mustn't underestimate the power of the Emperor.
Slashdot citing blogs again (Score:2)
So all you need to do is ... (Score:2, Interesting)
contrarian... (Score:5, Interesting)
Consider the Pentagon folks who looked at this "threat" and suspected sagely (and rightly) that it was too fanciful to be credible.
How closely do they resemble the Pentagon folks who, in early 2000, looked at jet-hijacking scenarios and suspected sagely (and wrongly) that they were too fanciful to be credible?
(See answer in back of book.)
In other news... (Score:5, Funny)
Proof that video game ratings are necessary! (Score:4, Interesting)
People without moral or practical imagination--the types who have gutted our liberties with the Patriot Act, and led us to invade and torture Iraqis--exemplify the kind of simpleminded sorts who shouldn't be allowed to play M-rated video games.
Or run governments.
TIA refund please. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:TIA refund please. (Score:3, Insightful)
Back on the subject, information by it's very definition is measured by it's
Well I've found the... (Score:5, Funny)
This reminds me of the Steve Jackson Games case (Score:3, Interesting)
In the process of fighting the Secret Service [sjgames.com], even with help from the EFF, Steve Jackson Games almost went under.
BTW, I'm not saying that the Steve Jackson case is the same as the FBI's current screw-up. But law enforcement makes mistakes, and sometimes they make big mistakes because they're simply not clued in to popular culture, not to mention computer technology as it is actually used in society.
Et tu, Steve? (Score:5, Interesting)
On March 1 1990, the offices of Steve Jackson Games, in Austin, Texas, were raided by the U.S. Secret Service as part of a nationwide investigation of data piracy... More than three years later, a federal court awarded damages and attorneys' fees to the game company...
The EFF also has a Top Ten most mis-reported elements [eff.org] of the case:
This instance with Sega's fictional character, though embarassing for the FBI, is certainly preferable to the above.
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What am I missing here? (Score:3, Interesting)
I just don't see how we should be upset about the handling of this event. Yes, its kind of funny. The linked article seems to indicate that everything happened in the timeframe of one day. I mean, don't tell me you expected this guy to recognize some character from a video game?
So, terrorists just need to pollute Google? (Score:3, Interesting)
heh, that will throw them off the trail. lol
And this is a problem? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Jesus Fucking Christ. (Score:3, Informative)
*points to GNAA link in parents signature*
relax, it's just an abhorrence (Score:2)
In all likelihood this is an anomaly of the highest order. They probably got this from some data mining software that processes internet traffic. I'm not surprised that a program would pick this up and not realize that it's a fictional character.
Anyway, you have to expect that no system is perfect and that mistakes will be made from time to time. This was just one of those wacky mistakes. I'd sleep easy. The rest of what they are doing is probably accurate and affective. We'll just never know one way
Re:relax, it's just an abhorrence (Score:5, Funny)
Which reminds me, never mind this Fulci guy, it's been over 20 years and they still haven't found Carmen Sandiego! Where in the world is she?
Re:Jesus Fucking Christ. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Jesus Fucking Christ. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Jesus Fucking Christ. (Score:2, Informative)
You have gone to level three tin-foil-hat alert over a silly rumor.
Re:Jesus Fucking Christ. (Score:3, Informative)
I believe that Russia is actually the country documented with the most WMD, their biological reserves are quite vast.
I do not think the US Army is the largest, it was China the last time I checked.
they start a level three alert over a goddamned video game character
Level three alert? I must have missed this important distinction. Further, how do we even know this is t
Re:Jesus Fucking Christ. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Funny, Not... (Score:2, Funny)
Second, anything that distracts shrub from coming up with more fun-and-games that turn into PR disasters in Iraq, is good.
Re:Bad intel? (Score:4, Interesting)