Via-based Handheld Game Console Runs PC Games 208
An anonymous reader writes "Via Technologies has teamed up with Ministry of Mobile Affairs (no, it's not a government agency) to build a handheld game console based on Windows XP Embedded that runs existing PC games. Described as the world's first handheld gaming device based on the x86 architecture, the Eve Mobile Gaming Console is said to be capable of instantly running thousands of existing PC games. Eve's embedded computer is built around a 533MHz Via Eden-N processor (which supports SSE and MMX) equipped with 128MB DDR266 SDRAM, and a 20GB hard drive. A built-in 4-inch LCD screen supports resolutions up to 640 x 480 pixels." The initial impressions are pretty grim, and the form factor leaves something to be desired, at least for a product vying for a share of the GBA market.
Is that a Moma in your pocket? (Score:5, Interesting)
Modular -- Screen unit detaches from the controller. Carry just the screen unit around for media on the go. Swap controllers for a customized gaming experience.
This and the fact that there's nothing on the screen lead me to believe this is a Very early prototype and I'm doubting it's going to make it out 1st Q 2005.
Re:Is that a Moma in your pocket? (Score:4, Insightful)
A detachable screen? I though the form factor in the renderings was bad, but a detachable screen is worse! What happens if you lose the screen -- will they send you a replacement? How are they going to keep the contacts clean?
Re:Is that a Moma in your pocket? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Is that a Moma in your pocket? (Score:2)
Re:Is that a Moma in your pocket? (Score:3, Insightful)
Blow on the contacts. (Score:2)
Re:Blow on the contacts. (Score:2)
Re:Is that a Moma in your pocket? (Score:2)
Re:Is that a Moma in your pocket? (Score:2)
Solution in search of a problem (Score:5, Insightful)
"It's funny that you say that it comes out of nowhere," said Andrew "Bunnie" Hwang, the "minister of mobile affairs" at The Ministry of Mobile Affairs (MoMA), based in San Diego. "It actually fills a vacuum in the market," of an X86-based handheld, he said.
It actually gets better when he explains that you can pay to "unlock" the device (like hackers won't figure this out within a day or two...":
If a user wishes, Hwang added, he can purchase a separate SIM card "for a reasonable price" that will completely unlock the console, so users can download whatever content they wish.
I guess we will see what happens in the marketplace.....
Happy Trails!
Erick
Re:Solution in search of a problem (Score:5, Insightful)
Can you say iOpener?
LK
Re:Solution in search of a problem (Score:2)
Re:Solution in search of a problem (Score:3, Interesting)
and hey, its not so freakin' hard to hack an iOpener, or find details on how to do it
Hell, why bother making this a gaming handheld? (Score:2)
Seriously, I'm pretty jazzed.
That's right. (Score:2)
Re:Solution in search of a problem (Score:2)
Re:Solution in search of a problem (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Solution in search of a problem (Score:3, Interesting)
Interesting. Very intersting.
Kirby
Re:Solution in search of a problem (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Solution in search of a problem (Score:2)
Dump XP (or make it dual-boot). Change the form factor. Lose the stupid DRM. Make it foldable, with various controller options (SMS style keyboard, d-pad, a-pad, track-ball), jump up the horsepower a bit and you have a tiny laptop.
It could give my Zodiac a run for it's money.
Re:Solution in search of a problem (Score:2)
Re:Solution in search of a problem (Score:2)
Some vacuum. [daniel-hertrich.de] Perhaps just a lack of demand?
The question is (Score:3, Funny)
Re:The question is (Score:3, Funny)
Not until someone ports ScummVM to it.
Re:The question is (Score:2)
Re:The question is (Score:2)
Re:The question is (Score:2)
Re:Actually, yes it can (Score:2)
bring back the emulators (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:bring back the emulators (Score:2)
It can play PC Games but.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:It can play PC Games but.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:It can play PC Games but.... (Score:3, Insightful)
In other words, the standard set of controls on a typical console game pad these days.
So, this will be great for playing any game that can be mapped to those controls, and doesn't need more performance than a VIA Eden chip at 533 MHz can provide. (Hint: Doom III is not going to run on this thing.) Oh, and don't forget that the screen is only 4 inches, so you'll never play games like StarCraft o
Re:It can play PC Games but.... (Score:2)
IMHO, they're taking the wrong approach. Ditch the control stick, make it just a screen with ports on the side. Just make the damn thing run USB and make some custom control devices that you can attach the screen to. Then, if you want to use their analog control pad, you can - or they kan make a keyboard that you can use as a screenmount instead. Or I can wire up four USB gamepads and my friends can crowd around t
Re:It can play PC Games but.... (Score:2)
Re:It can play PC Games but.... (Score:2)
And don't stop at neolithic Half-Life - this thing could do UT.
nice.. (Score:3, Insightful)
would be fucking awesome for emulators and stuff like that though..
but I'll put my dollar on the bet that says "nice research project for pr purposes, to be never really hit the market properly if at all."
Existing games. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Existing games. (Score:2)
Just not the shiney new games like Battlefield.
Re:Existing games. (Score:2)
Re:Existing games. (Score:2)
But I know what you mean.
PC games, since the age of the GUI (and even before, to an extent) often revolve around the mouse and the availability of many keys.
Does it wrap around your butt-cheeks? (Score:2, Funny)
But with that elbow bend, it's useless.
Forget gaming - this gadget has other uses (Score:5, Insightful)
Looks like a low power server to me. Or a GPS unit with software you can update. I'd sit one on the dash of my van.
It'd also be great for emulation. The thing just screams MAME. Or Ultimate Amiga Emulator.
How about portable network analyzer? It'll probably run standard Linux distros.
This thing is not a toy. Well..ok. It is a toy, but it's useful too.
Weaselmancer
Re:Forget gaming - this gadget has other uses (Score:2)
It'd also be great for emulation. The thing just screams MAME. Or Ultimate Amiga Emulator.
Assuming there are emulators for Linux (never looked, but I can't imagine they aren't out there) it sounds like you're in the market for a Zaurus [sharpusa.com].
Re:Forget gaming - this gadget has other uses (Score:2)
http://www.zophar.net/unix/unix.phtml [zophar.net]
PC games (Score:4, Informative)
Re:PC games (Score:5, Funny)
Re:PC games (Score:2)
Re:PC games (Score:2)
Re:PC games (Score:2)
Re:People *still* play Diablo II at LAN games? (Score:2)
Can it run outlook or palm desktop (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes it wont sync but it would be nice to use it as a pda/calculator/game machine. Why settle on just one this.
Hmm maybe if any VIA employee's are reading this, you may want to consider mathmatical keys and a mini qwerty keybord. If it runs more things than games you could expand your marketshare.
First handheld device ! (Score:4, Funny)
Via is proud to present its first new line of handheld game console that has all the abilities of windows XP, this all into your pocket!
- it bluescreens
- it eats more power than required, replace the batteries every 2 hours
- you have to reinstall windows xp every month
- it can get worms if you plug it on internet! (no need to install outlook, the disk share will be enough)
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Can it run linux?
Re:First handheld device ! (Score:2)
I love how this is a troll when at least two of the four points (1 and 4) are fairly accurate and the other two aren't far off either.
Someone mod this funny, damnit... or something.
Re:First handheld device ! (Score:4, Insightful)
Um, ok?
1 - Don't be silly, I use XP on one of my machines daily and I haven't had a bluescreen in more than a year. Last time I did it was bad memory.
2 - I get slightly better battery life on my laptop in XP compared to linux - About 15 minutes better. I could probably eek out a bit more in linux, but the point is neither has a big advantage.
3 - The XP machine mentioned in point one hasn't been reinstalled in an even longer time period than the last bluescreen.
4 - No real argument here, MS ships with atrocious defaults regarding security.
Its mildly funny, and certainly not a troll, but its not exactly accurate.
I hope it comes to market (Score:5, Interesting)
It's likely to be cheaper than an iPaq, and if it has USB (which makes me wonder how you get the games onto the 20GB Hard Drive) you can plug a USB Mini Hub into it for Keyboard/Mouse and have a sweet little Linux Box... or even a portable Emulation System....The possibilities look appealing.
Arrgh! But I don't think you'd want to try word processing on a 4" screen.
Re:I hope it comes to market (Score:2)
Highly doubtful...
Re:I hope it comes to market (Score:2)
Vaporware (Score:5, Interesting)
So let's see...it's a 500MHz x86 with only 128MB of RAM, a fixed LCD that goes only to 640x480, and a case that exists only in the crappy renders of second-rate designers. And it seems like it's meant to be limited only to games, not other Windows applications. Sure beats a standard laptop...
Anybody care to explain why I should think this is more than (exceptionally incompetent) vaporware?
Re:Vaporware (Score:2)
On an airplane it sure would. Though I'd rather have a Nintendo DS.
Re:Vaporware (Score:2)
But that
Re:Vaporware (Score:2)
x86? So what? (Score:2, Interesting)
CD-ROM (Score:5, Insightful)
*COUGH* vaporware *COUGH*
Re:CD-ROM (Score:3, Funny)
Maybe Duke Nukem Forever will run on this thing.
Do the same thing you do on PC? (Score:2)
I might buy one... (Score:4, Insightful)
I mean, look at the thing. $500, then you get to pay more to turn on the disabled features? A weird, non-foldable shape that won't fit in a pocket and might not even fit in a briefcase? This thing is a trainwreck of a product.
I just hope the product engineers planned ahead for the dismal sales, and designed it to be easy to hack (bootable from USB, etc.)
This would make a decent little gadget for playing my old Atari 2600 games. The tiny screen wouldn't be a handicap and the controls are right there. If you can get MAME on it you could play quite a lot of stuff.
You could also use it as a "photo wallet" (each day on vacation, dump all your photos to its hard drive, look at them with the screen to verify that they are there, and wipe your camera's chips clean for the next day). It only has CompactFlash, though.
You could even use it as a universal remote for your home; with 802.11 networking, it could talk to a computer and you could then do anything.
Of course you could use it as a portable audio/video player, if you can deal with the awkward shape.
Let's hope they make lots of these things before they figure out that no one wants them; they'll be really cheap!
steveha
Re:I might buy one... (Score:2)
Attempting to play ScummVM [scummvm.org] games with a stylus on a Clié PEG-N760C was hard enough.
Notebook? (Score:2, Informative)
But the question is, (Score:2)
PDA/iPod Hybrid? (Score:4, Interesting)
Look at iPods: a ton of local storage, a well-designed user interface, and the "cool" factor that marketing companies spend billions searching for. But other than video and some basic text notes (that you can't edit on the device), the iPods and other hard drive-based media centers can't play games or do other "computerish" tasks.
What happens when we combine these two products? Eve. It's a Pocket PC, but since it runs "XP Embedded" you can theoretically run any existing PC game. Spend a little time and effort, and you won't even need a USB keyboard. You could also just store music or video on there.
It's an RCA Lyra with a bit more processing power and an add-on controller. If they can hit the $500 point next year, there might (might) be a market, but I think more people will buy it for high quality video on a teeny screen than for any gaming options.
Ooooh, and wi-fi, so you can watch the videos on the other Eves are you...
Re:PDA/iPod Hybrid? (Score:2)
You can wait for the Eve... (Score:2)
You too can play such exciting titles as... (Score:3, Funny)
Boomerang! (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Boomerang! (Score:2)
VIA vs. VAIO (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:VIA vs. VAIO (Score:2)
My analysis (Score:4, Insightful)
The reason there's a vaccuum in that segment of the market is that, at this point, anything that fits that vaccuum is going to SUCK!
Honestly, what games are there for the PC platform that A) require only 640x480, B) run adequately at 500-odd mHz/128MB RAM, and C) require only a D-pad and four buttons to control? I sounds like this overpriced toy is going to require games written specially for it, so what's the point of making it x86 PC compatible?
Re:My analysis (Score:2)
Shit load of existing dev tools, a choice of operating systems, a lot of games will already work on it, homebrew development would be a piece of piss, it has built in wireless so if I install Linux or Cygwin/Mingw under Windows then I've got an awesome wardriving tool. How to type without a keyboard? Ummmm. OK, so I'll learn Morse code and write a custom keyboard driver and then.....
Arguably a GB Advance is a better gaming platform but shit I'd like one
Bad form factor, but look at the games (Score:3, Interesting)
Oooh! Wing commander! Hope I can free up 640k! (Score:2)
Re:Oooh! Wing commander! Hope I can free up 640k! (Score:2)
It all depends... (Score:3, Interesting)
1) Price. If you can get a PSP cheaper, it's going to fail. Period. The PSP is probably going to start at, what, $200-250? So I'd say it'd better be around $150-175 MAX if it wants any chance at all.
2) Accessories. It was mentioned above that they intend to have a detachable game pad area, and I hope that it uses some sort of customized USB 2.0 connection for that so they can have a large array of easy to develop add-ons. Examples: A mini-keyboard, a stand with a built in USB HUB, so you can plug in a mouse/keyboard or external HD/DVD drive, or whatever you want. Also, a Wi-Fi add-on (or standard built in) would be an obvious must have.
A 533mhz cpu with 128mb ram will run some pretty decent games. If this GPU subsystem is decent at all, and they have some sort of widdled down version of widows running you could conceivably run Q3 based games, which is pretty nice for a handheld system.
Personally, I think that if this does make it to market, it will fail on both points 1 and 2. It will likely be in the $300-400 range, since they will have to actually make money on the hardware, as they don't get licensing fees from software sales like Sony and Nintendo. The accessories will likely be available, but will be either too expensive, reach market to late, or be just plain stupid (think GB camera and printer).
If it does manage to hit the shelves at a decent price and they improve the form factor some, it could be a very cool gadget. In all likelihood, however, I think I will be one the ones grabbing one of these as they get discontinued so I can turn it into a bathroom email/web browser!
a little harsh (Score:2)
But if it plays exisiting pc games, they dont need an exclusive publisher of any type. The Gamepark GP32 seems to do pretty well, and people really just put MAME on it.
WAH (Score:2, Interesting)
Four months ago everyone (and that means EVERYONE) said the Nintendo DS would tank. Now people can't get enough of how cool it is. Now everyone is saying the PSP will tank, when four months ago it was to "instantly stomp Nintendo out of the handheld market."
Face it folks. Everything sux. Because everything sux, nothing has any value. When nothing has any value, it is much easier to ignore the suffering of other people.
Re:WAH (Score:2)
However, I am impressed with the PSP and I thought little of it last year.
The inventor... (Score:2, Informative)
Great technology, poor execution (Score:4, Insightful)
Needless to say, this could be fixed so easily:
I think the biggest flaw of this product is that they decided not to follow through on a promising idea. It's a portable mini PC tuned for gaming, for chrissakes! Gadgeteers would love that thing if it only allowed them to tinker with it!
Re:Great technology, poor execution (Score:2)
I can see it now... (Score:2, Funny)
Give it a break folks (Score:2)
I admit it is only going to run low power games (being able to drop RAM in would be nice) but the stats for it are not that bad - 2 USB two ports - chain me up a keyboard,mouse and a link to the net. 20gb of storage on a x86? Yeah - I can run linux on that. If the price is right it looks to me like a fun little linux box (MAME, xmms, xine, and anything else you want) hot swappable batteries and video out?? Might be the "portable" computer (drag it everywhere - plug in as needed) that everyone hasa been talk
MoMA already taken (Score:2)
In other news.. (Score:2)
> Embedded that
Chipmaker VIA posted an article on their website Friday claiming to be the first ever to port the full line of Microsoft Office and Server products to the handheld game console. The article mysteriously vanished and was later replaced by an article claiming the chip giant to be the first ever to port McAfee Antivirus to the handheld game console.
Portability isnt as bad as you think (Score:2)
Speed of machine VS. Age of games (Score:2)
Wing commander... That was from back in the Pentium-100 days wasn't it? I think you're underestimating or overstating, or doing something totally wrong, hehe.
-Jesse
Ministry of Silly Walks (Score:2)
I wonder if the Ministry of Silly Walks is under the supervision of the Ministry of Mobile Affairs.
Re:Another footnote? (Score:2, Funny)
Yes, it's as popular as ever, if you hadn't noticed.
Actually (Score:2)
I wonder what the video hardware is, and the controller specs. If somebody could hack up a driver for the buttons, it would also make a nice portable MAME/SNES/etc emulator. You could do a lot of this on windows too, but if somebody could manage drivers for the display/keyboard linux/OS could bring a
Re:Actually (Score:2)
Well, since this is a standard VIA Eden platform, I'd say a Savage Pro 4 processor. The sparse specs listed in the PR (200mp/s, no mention of hardware T&L or shaders) would tend to agree.
and the controller specs.
Probably nothing more outlandish than a USB joystick. Funny though, a lot of people have been speculating that the USB ports are not masters, but if this thing uses a USB interface for the joystick, then it has a master controller that's accessible