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mindless4210 writes "The new Nokia N-Gage, shown at E3, looks promising, but Nokia better be prepared to compete with Sony and Nintendo. Nokia is betting the N-Gage's wireless communication abilities will set it apart and allow multiplayer gaming to move away from computers and living-room consoles and into consumers' pockets." Reader harikiri writes "According to the BBC, the much-maligned Infinium Labs has showcased their Phantom console at E3. Apparently Infinium have made agreements with AMD and Nvidia to provide the processor and graphics controller. The specs seem very respectable: a 2.5GHz AMD processor, 256MB RAM and a 40GB HDD." Reader Ipingforpong writes "E3, probably the most well known video game trade show was assaulted by the U.S. Army in a promotion for America's Army. Soldiers rappelled out of a real Blackhawk helicopter with real rifles and rushed the show."
The degeneration of E3 (Score:4, Interesting)
Is this to compensate for the decreasing number and quality of the games that are showcased, or does it simply reflect the fact that the Western games industry is increasingly mainstream?
Re:The degeneration of E3 (Score:5, Insightful)
Anything mainstream in the US gets glitz like you just don't want. That Army stunt is a great promo, more cool than most, but it is still just a promo.
However, the issue with game quality isn't so much that it is decreasing, as that it isn't increasing. The problem is, games are replayable. If a game this year is the same as a game from last year, plus arm-hair on the models, nobody cares. The game is As Good, but not better.
It's the same problem a lot of industries run into: all the best stuff comes out quick. The first video game was revolutionary, even if it had nothing. For a long while, everything moved in leaps and bounds. Now, most of the leaping and bounding is done, and at the same time there is tons more attention from those who are not technologically adept.
As such, they resort to glitz and psuedo-fraud.
Re:The degeneration of E3 (Score:2)
Now I see this posting "from the till-next-year dept" and realized that there was not a single thing in any of the daily stories that called for more reading. Just incrementally more insanely fast hardware and sequels to games that didn't super excite me in the first place.
Re:The degeneration of E3 (Score:2)
Re:The degeneration of E3 (Score:3, Insightful)
When was the games industy 'underground'? exactly?
This stuff sounds like typical tradeshow biz to me.
Re:The degeneration of E3 (Score:2, Funny)
Yeah, that's the new version of "America's Army" that they are going to have Rockstar Games design for them. Grand Theft Auto: Baghdad. Rape a female prisoner, get extra health. :P
Why is Nokia still trying? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Why is Nokia still trying? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Why is Nokia still trying? (Score:2)
Re:Why is Nokia still trying? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Why is Nokia still trying? (Score:3, Interesting)
N-Gage is not introduced in China, and it seems that it could be a huge hit there too, as the interest for the N-Gage is high in China, plus phones in China are expensive too.
Or maybe us Asians don't know what tacos are...
Re:Why is Nokia still trying? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Why is Nokia still trying? (Score:2, Funny)
That's only because emacs uses more resources than an N-Gage game :)
Re:Why is Nokia still trying? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Why is Nokia still trying? (Score:2)
E3 is not just about games.. (Score:5, Funny)
There's also the yearly return of ever delicious boothbabes [slashdot.org].
And since my company PlayLogicGames also exhibited it's line-up on the show, thought I'd say hi.
Re:E3 is not just about games.. (Score:5, Funny)
Are you a game developer or a pimp?
~jeff
Re:E3 is not just about games.. (Score:5, Funny)
Actually... (Score:2)
Ever heard of Cliffy B? [cliffyb.com]
Half game designer. Half pimp. You either love him, or you hate him (try both, its fun!)
(PS: If any Epic staff read this... WHY ARE YOU ON SLASHDOT?! GET BACK TO WORK! I WANT NECRIS FOR MY BIRTHDAY IN JULY DAMNIT!!
Re:E3 is not just about games.. (Score:2)
Re:E3 is not just about games.. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:E3 is not just about games.. (Score:2, Funny)
I'll tell you for free (Score:2, Informative)
Still, at least I get a rest from E3 action until e3 2005, which is scheduled [gamerseurope.com]for May 18-20 2005
E3 Extravaganza (Score:5, Informative)
Check out all of the coverage that my coworkers and I put together at our E3 2004 Coverage Page [filefront.com]. Lot's of great stuff there.
Re:E3 Extravaganza (Score:2)
If you go to the engine features, you could see that this game has lots of potential.
Re:E3 Extravaganza (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:E3 Extravaganza (Score:3, Informative)
If you're going to fight, clash! (Score:5, Funny)
They performed the same stunt, last year, right as I was about to cross the street to walk in. A guy in full green camoflage, green and black facepaint and carrying a machine gun walked up to me and told me to please stand back for a few minutes. Applying my rule of never arguing with people holding real machineguns, I did as he asked.
Sadly, given my never argue rule, I never did get to ask why the in God's name the US Army thought it was intelligent to wear GREEN camoflage in Los Angeles of all places. Concrete gray mixed with a dirty smog brown, perhaps. Green though...?
I guess the Army finally listened to Robin Williams in Good Morning Vietnam:
We've got a special man in the audience today right now. Its Mr. Leo. He's a fashion consultant for the Army. 'Why thank you Adrian. I'm just very happy to be here. I want to tell you something. You know, this whole camoflague thing for me doesn't work very well.' Why is that? 'Well you...because you go into the jungle I can't see you. You know, its like wearing stripes and plaid. For me, I want to do something different. If you go into the jungle, make a statement. If you're going to fight, clash.
Re:If you're going to fight, clash! (Score:4, Funny)
What are you, a coward?
Sadly, given my never argue rule, I never did get to ask why the in God's name the US Army thought it was intelligent to wear GREEN camoflage in Los Angeles of all places.
I'm surprised they picked a Los Angeles convention center to assault in the first place. The average LA resident would probably return fire when they saw them coming.
Re:If you're going to fight, clash! (Score:3, Funny)
Nokia N-Gage (Score:5, Interesting)
When I decided I wanted an MP3 player built into a phone, and that I would try to getthat combo by buying a second-hand Ngage, I was very disappointed: Ngage are auctioned off at very respectable prices. High enough that I am made to wonder if I would rather buy a separate MP3 player after all.
So, the only logical conclusion I can draw is: Ngage customers seem to be very satisfied with it. There just isn't enough people parting with their Ngage, to have the prices drop.
Re:Nokia N-Gage (Score:2)
Re:Nokia N-Gage (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Nokia N-Gage (Score:4, Funny)
I guess there will always be a few people who enjoy talking into a taco.
Re:Nokia N-Gage (Score:2)
Phantom vs. Xbox (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Phantom vs. Xbox (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Phantom vs. Xbox (Score:2)
Re:Phantom vs. Xbox (Score:2)
Re:Phantom vs. Xbox (Score:2)
Jokes aside, wtf is the army doing there, fucking around at a gaming convention? Don't they have a war to fight or something? Despite that "mission accomplished" photo-op-BS, I'm fairly sure they're not done over there.
Re:Phantom is nothing (Score:2)
That said, at $30 a month I'll go buy my own games.
The future, Conan? (Score:4, Funny)
All we need is a single damned box that can work as a DVR, play games on a Microsoft OS, purchase new games over the Internet, and play against other people over the Internet as well.
Whoever can come up with ONE SINGLE DEVICE that can do all these things will be rich! Perhaps we can call it the "Plethora of Consoles" (PC). It'll be like nothing else!
Re:The future, Conan? (Score:2)
Re:The future, Conan? (Score:2)
Just got one of Pioneers Tivo/DVD-R's [google.com] for christmas. not only will it record to dvd, it simply transfers over the tivo's already compressed info, so a four hour dvd burns in about 30 minutes. As an added bonus the dvd menu's look like tivos menus
A handheld year (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:A handheld year (Score:5, Interesting)
You handheld becomes your controller when in the living room. The console is replaced by a reciever that can coordinate the action between multiple handhelds and display it to the screen. This way you can have many more people playing, no cords necessary if you throw some bluetooth or similar tech into the handheld.
I believe Nintendo already did something similar to this with the Crystal Chronicles for Gameboy Adv. Watch for more of this to happen as handhelds catch up graphically with the consoles.
Not sure... (Score:3, Interesting)
Personally I doubt consoles are going away any time soon -- I think there's a lot to be said for playing a game on a big screen on your couch. That said, I do think that the PC market will continue to decline -- mobile devices will cater to the solitaire/minesweeper type gamer, while consoles (with their increasing
Ofcourse (Score:5, Insightful)
Emphasis mine. No sane army in the world would use real weapons with real live ammo in a non-combat situation. Doing so pretty much breaches every protocol, regulation and whatever else there is regarding safety. Maybe they used training rifles ( You know, often seen on Discovery... M16 variants with tiny orange thingy at the end of the barrel ) that fired blanks, perhaps. I doubt that in a non-combat situation even blanks would be allowed, loaded in rifles.
So less hype and more common sense, please.
Re:Ofcourse (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Ofcourse (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Ofcourse (Score:5, Informative)
Though I wasn't there, I would say that the soldiers were carrying real weapons, though I can pretty much assure you that they were not loaded with any kind of ammunition.
Those 'training rifles' you speak of? They're the soldier's personal weapon with what is called a Blank Firing Attatchment (BFA) fitted to the end.
That is a real weapon, and all the BFA does is provide a seal for the gases to recock and reload the weapon (so that the semiautomatic and automatic fire functions of the weapon will work).
Basically, the barrel of a gas-operated weapon (like an M-16 or just about any machine gun) has a little hole near the end of it that allows the gases that are propelling the bullet to travel down a gas tube and force the bolt of the weapon backwards to extract the casing in the chamber and put another round in.
When you fire blanks, there's no bullet to provide a seal and force the gas back down the tube. That's what the 'tiny orange thingy' (BFA) is for.
That said, replicas do exist for training purposes. They're made of solid rubber, and they're actually heavier than the service rifles!
Re:Ofcourse (Score:2)
Here is an article [dominionpost.com] about it in the local paper.
Nice city to live in (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Ofcourse (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Ofcourse (Score:3, Insightful)
Oh, you also vote for the manner in which they will candy coat the exact same bullshit. The only issues changed are non-issues. They get people all hyped up over the insignificant crap so they won't notice when the REAL policy is implemented.
Examples of bullshit issues they'll distract you with:
Tobacco laws (either
Re:Ofcourse (Score:2)
Re:Ofcourse (Score:2)
They were, likely, real rifles (M-16s probably), but just as likely, unloaded.
Sure, they may have had a mag inserted, but the chances of there being ANY ammunition in the weapon whatsoever is slim to none. If there was any, they were blanks, but there would be no point.
You're right, though, they would NEVER bring live rounds to any sort of demo.
The BlackHawk was a nice touch, though.
Re:Ofcourse (Score:2)
So, in all truth, they were probably "real rifles", but were certainly not "ready to fire".
So less speculation and more background research, please.
Multiplayer? What's that? (Score:3, Insightful)
Now this is, ladies and gentlemen, what I call a silly tit. Who would have guessed? Multiplayer? Popular? And this is supposed to be a spokesman of Bungie, of all companies -- apparently he hasn't noticed how wildly successful their previous multiplayer games were, from Minotaur (with no singleplayer option!) to Marathon to Myth.
Re:Multiplayer? What's that? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Multiplayer? What's that? (Score:2)
Re:Multiplayer? What's that? (Score:3, Insightful)
E3 - Grand Theft Auto - San Andreas (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:E3 - Grand Theft Auto - San Andreas (Score:2, Insightful)
Phantom at E3 (Score:4, Interesting)
I think its worth pointing out that the mouse and keyboard combo looks like an interestingly designed piece of technology. Its shaped so that the entire thing can sit on your lap comfortably. The keyboard appears to be adjustible and the thing itself acts as the mouse mat. I would be slightly concerned that the mouse mat area is too close to the keyboard so perhaps that limits its use. IGN has a CGI mockup of it here [ign.com] and a real once can be seen in the BBC article linked too in the story.
Hardware aside I haven't actually seen any reports of software that runs on the thing. Did anyone who attend E3 get the chance to playtest one? As far as I can tell it was only the box on display and it may of only had a basic running demo.
The last thing I want to mention is about their distribution model. They claim they want to make software downloadable via broadband internet connections. Thats all fair and well but does anyone out there remember The Sega Channel? Long story short it was a cable channel that allowed you to download Genesis games directly onto your console. I don't believe it faired to well but given the popularity of XBox live and PS2 Online it shows that there is more of a likely uptake.
BTW, anyone interested in the Sega channel should have a look here [dslreports.com] and here [vt.edu].
-- Enditallnow
Any recording of E3's army stunt? (Score:2)
Re:Any recording of E3's army stunt? (Score:2)
Americas Army is the model for next gen online FPS (Score:5, Insightful)
BF1942 would be a great game, if it weren't for all the tards that show up. they need the honor system - AFAIK AAO is the first and only online game that uses it. here is why this is important. [acmqueue.com]
the gaming industry is HUGE - it is bigger than the theaterical movie theater industry (ie. revenue from ALL movies in ALL theaters in the US doesn't even come close to touching the revenue from GAMES.)
in fact, if you combine all the money made by LOTR it's about the same as Madden Football (and that game didnt cost a zillion dollars to make)
anyway - so dis the US army all you want, but they are paving the way for serious anti-idiot game play.
w00t.
Re:Americas Army is the model for next gen online (Score:4, Informative)
As you sign in with an account and the official servers ban you if your Honor drops below 9 (it starts at 10) then there are very few TKers willing to put up with the crap of creating a new account all the time. Which only leaves the cheaters...
I was hoping the Army would, you know, hunt them down and gut them - but no such luck.
Where's mention of Myst IV? (Score:4, Interesting)
Myst IV looks like it will be fantastic, possibly the best title in the Myst series yet. Check out the developer's blog at:
http://revelatione3team.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com]
Cheers,
Jared
I don't understand the Army's interest in this (Score:4, Insightful)
Yet, think about it. Play these games, have a lot of fun, then realize "Hey...if that had been real, I wouldn't have been able to respawn those 20 times I died...do I really want to do that kind of thing in real life???" and then run at warp 10 away from the recruiter. That's what I'd do, anyway.
Doesn't seem like it should be a good recruiting tool at all.
Re:I don't understand the Army's interest in this (Score:2)
If you had actually played AAO you would've known that there is no respawn.
Re:I don't understand the Army's interest in this (Score:2, Interesting)
nice (Score:5, Insightful)
a 2.5GHz AMD processor, 256MB RAM and a 40GB HDD. and It comes free only if customers sign up for a two-year subscription - it costs $199 without a subscription.
That's a lot of system for $199. How long until it gets hacked and turned into a l33t gaming box. I can't imagine making a profit on the system with a price scheme like that, so watch for Phantom related DMCA lawsuits about a month after launch. If it can be done on an Xbox, which was nice at 300, it will be done twice as fast on this 200 dollar system. Also, a few of these will most likely end up at garage sales for 20 bucks once the suburban kids want the next gamer-toy, which is a nice price for just the RAM.
Re:nice (Score:2)
phantom is a pack of spammers (Score:2)
Phantom is a complete bunch of assholes that deserves to be ignored and blacklisted.
Stop Me If I'm Wrong.... (Score:4, Funny)
If it grills my hot dogs while I'm fragging people, well, then the only thing left is a cupholder in the lap pad.
Maybe they had the right idea all along....
[Dennis Leary]Naaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!![/Dennis Leary]
T.
Hot vs. Not. (Score:5, Interesting)
PSP: Clearly this was shown only because of the Nintendo DS. Someone told me that Nothing shown on the PSP looked even remotely close to being complete. I heard some analyst predicting March 05 but I think even December 05 would be optimistic. That said, I think that it has potential -- it's just too soon to tell.
Nintendo DS: For me, this was the biggest surprise of the show. I had low expectations, and had serious doubts as to how dual screens or a touch screen could add much to gameplay. Boy was I wrong. The games they were showing were amazing. It turns out that the stylus makes FPS gaming on a handheld quite workable. For the Metroid game, you move/strafe with d-pad, and pivot/shoot by moving your stylus on the touch-pad... genious!! Even the chat program was a blast. If this thing sells for less than $150 I think it will do quite well. Very curious to see the pricetag.
Half-Life 2: Still impressive, but you can tell that the community good-will is fading. At the demo I attended, when Gabe Newell said the release date would be sometime this summer, some guy got a few laughs by blurting out "For real this time??". Gabe was not amused.
Doom 3 (X-Box): While I'm sure the PC version will be quite awesome, I was unimpressed by the X-box version. Obviously it can't look as good as the PC version, but it didn't even seem to set a high-water mark for XBox. Didn't seem very fun to play. Still, I'll reserve judgement for the final product.
Chronicles of Riddick: Much like Vin Diesel's performance in Knockaround Guys, this game was surprisingly good. This could have easily been shovelware, but this is a game that could stand on its own without any licensing. Seemed like it had some innovative ideas for an FPS. It's hard to explain, but the viewpoint is more immersive. For example, you could look down and see your feet, your character casts his shadow on the wall, and a lot of little touches that gave you the environmental "perspective" of a third-person shooter.
NGage 2: Doomed. Booth had very little foot traffic. There were always more kiosks than people (a bad sign at e3), and half the people there were Nokia staff. New form factor is better, but the hardware is the same (still underpowered) and it still feels awkward both as a phone or a portable gaming device. What is Nokia thinking?
Nintendo showing (not including DS): Impressive, just like last year (though the konga game seems a bit silly).
XBox Showing: Impressive, unlike last year.
Sony showing: generally a disappointment.
Lots of other little things (maybe I'll add to this thread later), but those are the standouts. What did you guys think was neat / lame?
More on DS, phantom, and N-Gage (Score:4, Interesting)
I tried the N-Gage 2 (the Q-Deck, as they call it). What will ultimately kill that thing is that playing games on it just sucks. The buttons are too close together to press individually.
I also chose to wait in line for the DS showing. And happily, I also got to play the thing. Metroid Hunters looks pretty good, especially for a 3d game on that small of a screen (the 2nd screen is just an overhead wire frame map). Playing with the stylus is very strange though.
Pictures of the DS exist so I wont bother describing the appearance. What it does have is 6 buttons (a, b, x, y, l, and r) plus start and select. The lower screen is pressure sensitive, and is intended to be used with a stylus. It will have wirelss communication, and will be WiFi enabled (801.11 compatible), so it will have some internet functionality. The games I tried on it were remarkably complete looking, and there were a decent number of them.
I spent alot of time in and near the Nintendo area. Aside from the flagship games, I think that Odama (RTS Pinball, yes, thats right, RTS Pinball) will turn out to be a pretty damn good game.
I also stopped by the Phantom booth. The damn thing does exist, and it does use a controller. The downsides is that the version they displayed had exactly 1 controller port. While network play is a good thing, they should realize that people actually do tend to have friends come over and visit once in a while. The controller is basically decent, but un-impressive. Basically a better version of the 6 button Sega Genesis controller.
Also, as far as PC games go, one that looked pretty good was Pariah, a FPS game with vehicles. While the gameplay may be revolutionary, it does look pretty damn nice.
END COMMUNICATION
Re:Hot vs. Not. (Score:2)
It looked like they have dynamic lighting and a decent framerate, as well as the usual quality of textures.... what were you looking for? It looked mightily impressive in the videos I saw of it.
Thoughts on "E3 for Everyone" ? (Score:2)
Re:Thoughts on "E3 for Everyone" ? (Score:3, Interesting)
2.5GHz (Score:4, Informative)
I'm sure something got lost in translation here. We all know AMD doesn't have any 2.5GHz processors. Possibly they meant a 2500+, I dunno.
Regardless, looks like the Phantom is actually just a PC under the hood with some interface for downloading games off the web. Not too terribly different from the ApeXtreme when all is said and done. Except of course that they want you to pay $30/month, which I guess isn't bad if they have a large selection of quality games with no ugly restrictions on play. That being the case, it might compare well in terms of cost/benefit to conventional systems, but I wouldn't bet money on it...
The military attacked E3? (Score:2, Funny)
Is anyone else disturbed by this? (Score:2)
Aren't government agencies forbidden from private endorsement/advertising?
What's next? Navy Seals advertising Old Navy pullovers?
Maybe the Green Berets are available for that special corporate event?
Lord knows the military needs the money
Re:Is anyone else disturbed by this? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Is anyone else disturbed by this? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Is anyone else disturbed by this? (Score:3, Interesting)
Uh sure can I have that X-files dvd when you are done with it?
Sorry, I didnt want to be rude but I couldnt help myself, what you are saying actually looks like the truth to many , but if you were a bit more into games and fps in general you'd probably kne
Re:Is anyone else disturbed by this? (Score:2)
Re:Is anyone else disturbed by this? (Score:2)
Yes, there was. IIRC it's Ubisoft that will eventually publishing the console version. For profit.
Re:Is anyone else disturbed by this? (Score:2)
The thing I don't get about Nintendo... (Score:2)
It's safe to say, based on sales for the past 7 or so years, that Sony is the dominant leader in the gaming industry. Nintendo would just LOVE to reclaim this spot, but they made yet another mistake, and this time it's very similar to the one that did Sega in: they're competing against the top dog with a technologically sub-par piece of equipment.
I'm talking about the
Re:The thing I don't get about Nintendo... (Score:2)
You dont play Warcraft 3 on a Console.
You dont play Mario type games on a PC.
You dont play 'long' games on a handheld.
People use handheld games when they are waiting, such as on a Bus / Subway, or waiting at a doctors. If you intend to play for 4 hours at a time, your first choice is not going to be a hand held.
Also, developers of handheld
Re:The thing I don't get about Nintendo... (Score:2)
That's about to change. IMO, games will *eventually* evolve to the point where you don't need a TV to play anymore. Multiplayer is at the point where it's getting awkward on a TV. Split screen sucks.
Not saying it'll happen soon, but as handhelds get more powerful and technology becomes better AND smaller... things are bound to change.
People use handheld games when they are waiting, such as on a Bus / Subway, or waiting at a doctors. If you intend to play for 4 h
Re:The thing I don't get about Nintendo... (Score:3, Informative)
However, after thinking about it a while, I realized that there are some big problems with it.
1. It's a little bit too big to be truly portable. You can't really put it in your pocket, nor is there the built in screen protection that the S
Sounds like to me (Score:2)
Solid Snake's on the case!
Re:Sounds like to me (Score:2)
Re:Any specs released about Nintendo DS? (Score:2)
I don't deny the good qualities of Sony products, but I hate how I really need to tke everything they say with a grain of salt. The latest was their statement that PSP will likely be sold at a loss, when a few weeks before they said they would definitely sell it for a prof
Re:Where is Rummy on this one? (Score:3, Interesting)
Should there be less money in the advertising side of things? who knows. From what I have heard, America's Army has been a huge success for recruitment. People jumping out of cool helicopters is always good for recruitment.
So its result per dollar has been very high. It seems to me they are saving money. More recruits per dollar, means fewerdollars needed.
E3 is not only about the big 3 (Score:3, Insightful)
While the big games were crowded, E3 is also the place where you can get early word of mouth about your game in the most darwinian envronment.
I was at the show, and saw a handfull of suprises that caught my attention. As an example, Pariah (on the PC, and developed by Digital Extreemes Toronto) and Odama (Game cube RTS Pinball) were both very well spoken of by everyone who played them that I spoke to. Also, chronicles of Riddick is getting alot of good wo